Cousins, Pardon last nights message. I was tired and ill. I'm only suggesting that we need to keep our avenues open to the Westmoreland line and the Surry line. It has been published in so many places that James (1748) son of Thomas, was from the Southampton line. We need that crucial piece of hard evidence to connect Thomas to William. I know Luanne has been searching for that piece for years, and others have also. I invited another lady to join us who is researching the Southampton line also. I'm still digesting the GA group. My oh my ! When we get back far enough I think we will connect into a larger Spence line. Getting to that point is our problem. Spence research is truly one of the hardest because it was one of the first families of this nation. The first recorded Ensign William Spence was here in 1624, for goodness sakes, so by 1748 it had already been 124 years of people having 14 children who had 14 children who had 14 children ! That's why it is so spread out ! I happen to have the records on " The Living and The Dead in Virginnie" and Ensign Spence is reported both alive and dead after the Indian Massacre ! That's where the confusion starts, back in 1623-1624. Boy howdy, do we have a job cut out for us ? Carolyn