Gang, i've been real busy lately. Tax time beginning you know. (ugh) I'm enjoying the messages. Ya'll keep it up and let me rest and listen in for a while. Luanne, I got your message. I'll post it in a couple of days. Thanks ! For those of you wanting more heraldry info Barbara's SPENCE list is full of it. It is all beyond me. I married a blue eyed Spence from Virginia is all I know. <g> Carolyn