Gang, Thanks for the post John. Jim will be on the lookout for those lists by snail mail. In the meantime, let me say that this is the same line, although I think that the LDS file has skipped over a couple of generations. As far as I know this line does begin with a Robert in Scotland, who had a son Thomas, who had a son William, who had a son Thomas who married Mary Green. We are still untangling this line, so please no one take the above for gospel...... Secondly, I may make some people furious, but here goes anyway, and I don't want to disparage anyone who is LDS. From my experience, you can't trust LDS files. They are submitted by all kinds of researchers, as Alana said once, " some with better skills than others". Just because it's in LDS files, doesn't make it gospel either. So everyone please be careful.......... you do find some concrete connections, and alas, you also find some totally out of this world guesstimates. Case in point, I myself have a Sumner grandmother that has been claimed, sealed to parents, baptized, and sealed to her husband, all through the temple records. One problem though . That was my Grandma, and I know darned well she wasn't the daughter nor wife of the persons she was sealed to ! ! ! She lived with my grandpa her whole life and I visit her grave every August, yet according to LDS records she is buried in Kansas ! With another man even ...... :)) So, i'm always cautious concerning LDS files. Once bitten, twice shy........ Anyway, we will check out the LDS files on Thomas Spence. Later, Carolyn