Hi, Yep, Jim. Was he the guy who had 35 children in Carroll Co. area ? Who was that? Does anyone know ? About Thomas, remember the bit I posted about a Thomas who died in Surry Co. in 1801, who had a wife named Lucy ? It is thought that is about the time that Burwell went to Ashe Co. wasn't it ? Could be Thomas married Lucy as a 2nd wife. Depending on where this Surry Co. Thomas lived, the same area could have been Ashe Co. in 1799. He could have lived right on the new county line of Ashe. The little town of Roaring Gap. NC is right on the county line.in Alleghany Co. now. I've looked for a Lucy to be a possible mother of Burwell, since it ran so heavy in the Burwell surname. Lo and behold, here is a Lucy. Just to complicate things further, it is known that the people who lived on the state line of NC and VA, paid their property tax closest to their home. When you look at tax lists it may indicate that a person resided in one state or the other, yet, actually they may have simply been paying tax to the other state because the courthouse was closer. I've got an ancestor in another line, that bounced back & forth between Surry NC and Grayson VA, so it appears that he owned land in both states. He didn't as his land was in NC, yet he was closer to the Grayson court. The further west you went in NC the state line was indefinite for many years. What a royal mess ! Carolyn