Hi gang, In reviewing some FTM cd's, I noticed that Sara's ancestor Floyd Spence, son of Noah Spence, born 1875 is listed on one of the CD trees as being born in "Cedar Bluff" Tazewell Co. By coincidence, the 1850 Tazewell census says that Tyre Spence and his little family of wife America, and children Jonathan, William, and James, also lived in "Cedar Bluff" of the Western District. In the 1860 Census America indicated that she was a "widow" and had daughters Mary J. and Rebecca, along with the 3 boys. Jean, did we see somewhere that Tyre died in the CSA, or did we just assume he did ? It looks like he may have died or "disappeared" before the 1860 census. We all know the "late unpleasantness" didn't begin until 1861, and Tyre was already gone by then. The names of his daughters indicates a connection to Burwell's line. He may have even been the "missing " older brother of Noah, if he didn't die in the War. Carolyn

Hi Folks! As some of you may already know I've been slowly researching the Anderson line connection into the Spence Line. I haven't been real successful either. JAMES ANDERSON is the character in question. Since I can't pinpoint James Anderson in Augusta County with a wife & heathen children I decided to work backwards a bit. I have discovered that there was a : JOHN ANDERSON who settled in Augusta Co., VA. in 1738...with children: Robert; Andrew; JAMES; John; & William. This "John" could be the father of our JAMES ANDERSON...but havn't figured this out yet. Thus once again I ask that those who have access to reference material on Augusta Co., VA. to spotcheck not only for JAMES ANDERSON...but check for this JOHN ANDERSON as well. Please share with me any findings! Need data on both before 1800. ***** Carolyn...what's this about your "Chart", is it ready?????? Jim James F. Carver 610 Gay Street, Box 214 Portsmouth, Ohio 45662-0214 e-mail: heritage@zoomnet.net

Hello John, Yes you are correct about John & Isabel McCormick Spence. We are keeping our eyes open for info on the couple. We have Johns and Elizabeths galore, and they give us the most trouble in sorting out. We came together as a group to try to tie up some loose ends then work backwards together. Currently we are making progress on James Spence and Burwell Spence. We know that there were older Johns in these families, and John who married Isabel could be one of the missing brothers. There was also a John Spence or two in Rockbridge Co. VA in the middle to late 1700's, and we keep an eye on them to pop up somewhere. Bruce Spence related to me that he hadn't met many Spences in the North, although there was a line of them in Massachusettes at one time. VA seems to be the origination place for most all of the Spence families. You find clusters of them here and there all over the country, and with diligent research I think they can all be traced back to VA at some point in time. They didn't seem to mind moving around either ! We have several people on the list who don't know where they belong YET. The southwest VA area seemed to be on the migration path, and several Spence lines passed through this area. Sorting out which line is the fun of this ! If anyone has any background info on John & Isabel McCormick, please post it to the group. You never know when you might have the little piece of the puzzle that someone else is searching for ! What you give will come back ten-fold !!!! Guaranteed ! Carolyn

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_911354145_boundary Content-ID: <0_911354145@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-11-17 20:36:32 EST, jbspence@erols.com writes: << Carolyn, Thank you for your reply. I hadn't seen the posting about the chart so I'll send the stamps tomorrow. This is really interesting to me and I'd like to find out as much as I can. You are absolutely correct about my aunts and uncles although I didn't know them (other than Ruby) since my father Nelson moved to Massachusetts and married my mother there and the rest of my father's family either stayed in Iowa or moved to Calif. I was born and brought up in Lexington,Mass, so it really is fascinating to find out that I have an ancestor who fought in the Revolutionary war. I don't know Willian Wayne Spence either but I will contact Claire after I get "caught up". I live in McLean Va. now, pretty close to Washington so if I can be of any help at the Archives or Library of Congress please let me know. From reading the messages it also seems like James Carver comes from either my line or a very close one to me- is that right? This family seems like it is so large that it's incredible to me. I always thought that Spence was an uncommon name and in Boston I didn't run into many Spence's. I feel like I've come back to my roots by living in Va. Thanks, Bruce ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <jbspence@erols.com> Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v51.26) with SMTP; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:36:31 1900 Received: from mx06.erols.com (mx06.erols.com [207.172.3.248]) by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) >> --part0_911354145_boundary Content-ID: <0_911354145@inet_out.mail.erols.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <jbspence@erols.com> Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v51.26) with SMTP; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:36:31 1900 Received: from mx06.erols.com (mx06.erols.com [207.172.3.248]) by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA15422 for <spencetop@aol.com>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mx06.erols.com (8.8.8-970530-INT/8.8.5/MX-980323-gjp) with ESMTP id UAA04457 for <spencetop@aol.com>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-70-134.s134.tnt11.brd.erols.com [207.172.70.134]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24541 for <spencetop@aol.com>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:36:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <365224C5.C49@erols.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:37:09 -0500 From: jessie spence <jbspence@erols.com> Reply-To: jbspence@erols.com Organization: home X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) To: spencetop@aol.com Subject: spences in Va. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Carolyn, Thank you for your reply. I hadn't seen the posting about the chart so I'll send the stamps tomorrow. This is really interesting to me and I'd like to find out as much as I can. You are absolutely correct about my aunts and uncles although I didn't know them (other than Ruby) since my father Nelson moved to Massachusetts and married my mother there and the rest of my father's family either stayed in Iowa or moved to Calif. I was born and brought up in Lexington,Mass, so it really is fascinating to find out that I have an ancestor who fought in the Revolutionary war. I don't know Willian Wayne Spence either but I will contact Claire after I get "caught up". I live in McLean Va. now, pretty close to Washington so if I can be of any help at the Archives or Library of Congress please let me know. From reading the messages it also seems like James Carver comes from either my line or a very close one to me- is that right? This family seems like it is so large that it's incredible to me. I always thought that Spence was an uncommon name and in Boston I didn't run into many Spence's. I feel like I've come back to my roots by living in Va. Thanks, Bruce --part0_911354145_boundary--

Carolyn, Will be placing in the snail-mail tomorrow my brief "story" on Rev. War Vet ... James Spence 1748-1793 which details briefly his military activity during the Rev. War. It's slightly over two pages long. I'll leave it to you if you wish to post it to the gang after you review it....it's not exciting reading thus may not be of interest to everyone. Knowing our grand Postal System hopefully you'll get it by Christmas. I've not had any success in learning more about our ANDERSON connection. Can't seem to get a lead on JAMES ANDERSON there in Augusta Co., VA. There were a "few" characters by this name there but too soon to tell which is which. I need data on his children! As I mentioned to you before, I got data on him after he left Augusta Co. and move westward. Have data on what might be some of his children but can't pinpoint them for sure. ...NEED HELP IN AUGUSTA CO., VA. on the ANDERSON line. ----anyone with Augusta Co., VA. references please help by sending me ANY/ALL references to ANDERSON...before 1850. (with focus on James Anderson!) That's it...later. ...... Jim James F. Carver 610 Gay Street, Box 214 Portsmouth, Ohio 45662-0214 e-mail: heritage@zoomnet.net

Cousins, Following is MY conclusion on the research of Burwell's son John Spence. I have researched this John for about a year, and from what I can find to document this, there is very little. What does exist is circumstance. A look at the facts I have been able to put together, I think should lend credence to my research. I have consulted others and they are in agreement with my findings. In genealogy, with the absence of documented records one must carefully evaluate all available data and at some point and time reach a conclusion based on that research. These are my findings. John Spence was still alive in 1843 when Burwell drafted his Last Will &Testament. The Elder John Cock was the person empowered to perform marriages by the New Hope Primitive Baptist Church near Big Reed Island Creek, Carroll Co. VA. John Cock was a dear friend of Burwell Spence, as per Burwell's Will, executor of Burwell's estate. A surviving minute book of this church lists as members of this church in 1825, Burwell Spence, Drury Spence and Isham Spence. Allen Thomas was listed as a member in 1825. Sons John, Uriah, James, and brother Joseph are not named as members, indicating that they may have moved from the jurisdiction of this church, or didn't attend. Lewis Spence would have only been 12 years old therefore, too young to be a mature male member. Most all of the other families who attended this church intermarried with the Spence family in one way or another. Other ministers were Nathaniel Thompson, and later Allen Thomas, born ca. 1821, son of Burwell's 2nd wife Nancy Thomas Spence. >From Grayson County VA marriage records of John Cock: John Spence & Mary Woosley: no original papers found, but married 10/30/1823 by John Cock. Marriage register one, page 16. Fanny Spence & Allen Burcham 5/15/1823, Fanny, daughter of Betsy, Joseph Spence Sr., surety. William Woosley & Elizabeth Puckett, daughter of John & Martha (Spence) Puckett, Benjamin Woosley, surety, married 1/3/1823. Archibald Rudd & Nancy Woosley, daughter of Benjamin Woosley, James Cock, surety.12/27/1822 Stephen Spence & Sarah Useley ( translated Woosley) on 9/19/1839 Thomas Duggins & Sarah Spence 11/2/1839 Hail (translated Hale ) Spence & Elizabeth Puckett Woosley, daughter of John Puckett, widow of William Woosley, 1/14/1845. Hale Spence is 99% the son of a John Spence born ca. 1773-1780. Some think Hale's full name was John Hale Spence. John Thomas & Lucinda Puckett 10/24/1839. John was another son of Nancy Thomas Spence, and it was he that Nancy lived with in Tazewell County. John Thomas lived next to Joseph Spence in Tazewell. Lucinda Puckett Thomas was a witness to Burwell's Will in 1843, so that dates them to being in Carroll Co. in 1843. Now here for clarification: I've been speaking with several Woosley family researchers and from all their research the people in Grayson/Carroll VA were Woosley's, sometimes translated to Oosley, Useley, Usley, Owsley and several other spellings. They are in no way connected to the Woolsey families of New York. The Woosley line has been traced back to England, and these are Woosley families in this part of the country. Many descendants still live here with the name,and they seem to have originated in Wilkes Co. NC. A search of phone directories in the local area located 53 Woosleys and 4 Woolseys listed. Back to John Spence, he disappeared from the 1830 Grayson Census as did brother Joseph. Both are found in Tazewell census. There were however 2 John Spences in Tazewell in 1830. One had a son under 5 in 1830. The 1830 does not list their wives' names. Neither does 1840. One particular John Spence re- married in 1844 to Elizabeth Deel, per marriage records of Tazewell. The other John's wife was named Ruthy in the 1850 census and their are NO noticable gaps in her children's ages indicating separation or re-marriage or sickness. Burwell's widow Nancy Thomas Spence applied for Burwell's pension in Tazewell Co. and it was awarded on 3/29/1854. When Nancy Spence applied for a land bounty of 160 acres on 4/14/1855, the application was backed up by the testimony of Burwell's son James Spence, who moved to Tazewell from Carroll between 1850 and 1855. There is also mention of a John Spence ,that it is implied, had made testimony for her widow's pension the previous year of 1854. In my opinion son Joseph Spence was not called upon to testify because Nancy was living next door, which could have created a possible conflict of interest or cohersion issue. John Spence could not testify for Nancy Spence again in 1855, because he had died prior to the application date for the land on 4/14/1855. In addition, Elizabeth Deel Spence, widow , had re-married David Osborne on 2/5/1855. So I can reasonably date John's death to approx. just prior to 3/29/1854 and before the 2nd marriage of his widow 2/5/1855. It is my opinion that John's wife was Mary Woosley Spence, who died between 1840-1844 and there are gaps in the ages of the known children, indicating ill health. We know that John and Mary married in Grayson Co., by Burwell's dear friend, my loving brother John Cock, per the Will. We know that John & Mary left Carroll Co. and moved away, because there aren't any records in Carroll Co. on them. We know that John Spence recorded land deeds beginning in 1849 through 1854. His son, Benjamin Spence, born 1824, one year after the marriage of John & Mary, also recorded deeds to adjoining land during the same time period. It appears that Benjamin was the oldest and possibly only son that John & Mary had. 2 known daughters were Nancy and Mary. John did not provide surety for either daughter's marriage, because they married after his death. Back to the Woosley name, the father of both William Woosley and Nancy Woosley was Benjamin Woosley. It is reasonable to think that Benjamin Woosley was also Mary Woosley and Sarah Woosley's father. We know that the Woosley's lived somewhere in the vicinity, as all 4 Woosley children were married by the same minister. The fact that they all married families that are intermarried with the Spence's lends further proof. John and Mary named their first born son Benjamin, most probably after Mary's father. Benjamin who married Catherine Deel named his children: Sarah, Mary Jane, John, James, Rebecca Ann, George, Willis, Sirelda, Esau and Jacob. Benjamin's 2 known sisters were Mary and Nancy. I think that Mary Woosley Spence named these girls after herself and her older sister Nancy Woosley. They would not have named a daughter after Nancy Thomas Spence and not named one after Rebecca Spence, Burwell's wife. Mary Woosley Spence's health did not appear to be good. Benjamin was born in 1824 and daughter Mary 1830, with 6 years between. Nancy was born in 1837, another long gap in ages. Even if other sons were born, why did not John secure some land for them ? If there were other children, I can find only one or 2 in Tazewell Co. that we have not identified. One final piece of evidence was the fact that when Benjamin Spence re-located to Wyoming Co., one Jeremiah Spence, later went there also. Jeremiah had been living with a son of Lewis Spence's , Jeremiah ( the older ) in Patrick Co. VA, and is thought to have been adopted. The only other possible connection we can find between Benjamin and the young Jeremiah was the fact that John & Lewis Spence were brothers, and their sons, Benjamin and Jeremiah were first cousins. Also, my own Spence line includes a William Benjamin Spence, who was also a first cousin to Benjamin. The given name Benjamin does not show up in the other Spence lines until later. So, there is the nitty-gritty of this. Whether this will stand up in genealogy court remains to be seen, however they are definitely guilty by association. I think these findings will hold water. Of course, this places Jean in Burwell's line. From her research I think she will also agree that this is the proper chronology of the life of John & Mary. Let's hear some feedback. Did I miss anything ? Carolyn

Cuzzins, I saw this recently while looking through a NC line of Spences. they had several John Nathan Spence which could equal in pure mountain Elizabethian English = Johnathan. Check it out if you have a Jonathan. ....... After 30 days , unclaimed ancestors will be adopted....... Carolyn

Hi cuzzins, THANK YOU SHEILA !!! Yes, we all need to be looking for a Burwell that married a Spence in the early to mid 1700's. Our Burwell Spence got that name from somewhere. I'm sure his mother didn't just pick it out of " What to Name Your Baby" ! That name LUCY is heavy in the Burwell family of Williamsburg VA. And out of this article did you all see where these Burwell families lived on the NC/VA border and traveled back & forth ? Just like our Burwell ! Folks, there is something there and I think we are getting closer and closer to finding the link ! Good job Sheila !!! Carolyn

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_911167919_boundary Content-ID: <0_911167919@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Here is the file in text format that I sent earlier. Could Burwell Spence possibly be an ancestor of the Burwell family? Maybe maternal? Looking for a Burwell that married a Spence in the 1700's in Va may be a possible link. --part0_911167919_boundary Content-ID: <0_911167919@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: text/plain; name="BURWELL.TXT" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline <Picture>William L. Clements Library The University of Michigan Burwell-Guy Family Papers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Burwell-Guy Family Papers, 1820-1873 (bulk: 1840-1859) 0.25 lin. feet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Background note: North Carolina tobacco farmer John A. Burwell and his wife Lucy Penn Guy = Burwell inhabited a world defined by the southern plantation economy and = by the social ties of extended family. Brothers and sisters, aunts and un= cles, parents and children, and a large crop of cousins corresponded and = visited back and forth. Cousins intermarried, further cementing the ties = that made up a close and complex kinship web. Favorite first names -- Luc= y, Mary, Sally, Elizabeth, Edward, William, John -- were used in related = families and in succeeding generations. In this largely rural antebellum = setting it seems that family, rather than church, educational institution= , or town, provided ones sense of community and identity. Genealogical details are sketchy. The Burwells lived near the North Carol= ina-Virginia border (Burwell's farmland was actually in Virginia), and tw= o other branches of Mrs. Burwell's family lived close by. Her aunt and un= cle E.T. and Edward Townes and their children lived in the same general a= rea, while aunt Mary A.E. Rawlins, husband and children were based about = 75 miles away in Danville, Virginia. Another aunt, Mary T. Guy Williamson= , and her family had settled near Louisville, Ky. The parents of Lucy Penn Guy Burwell and her two younger sisters, Elizabe= th T. Guy and Anna Guy, had evidently migrated to Alabama around 1820. So= metime before 1840 both parents died, and the three girls then made their= home with or near their mother's aunts, E.T. and Fanny Townes, in North = Carolina. By 1840, Lucy Guy was married to John A. Burwell and settled in= Lynesville, N.C. Anna Guy married cousin Edward Rawlins of Danville, Va.= in 1846 and they relocated to New Orleans. Her unmarried sister joined h= er there. John A. Burwell was a prosperous tobacco planter who also produced corn a= nd wheat for market. He did well enough to enjoy moderate luxuries -- a c= arriage and team of horses, fashionable dresses for wife and daughter, oy= sters and brandy -- but was clearly not of the richest class of planters.= He and his wife owned 15 slaves to work the fields and several to serve = in the house. Burwell took great pride in his tobacco, yearly endeavoring= to "beat his neighbors" and win the prize awarded by Virginia tobacco me= rchants for the highest quality crop. Pride seems to have been a primary = feature of Burwell's personality, for he set great store not only on his = tobacco, but on the quality of the material goods it bought, the beauty o= f his daughter, the reputation and success of his sons. The work of his p= lantation, hunting, fishing, and dining seem to have been the preoccupati= ons of his life. Around 1856 the Burwells may have relocated to new lands= near their old ones, for their address changes from Lynesville to Townes= ville and some letters comment on clearing land and constructing a barn. John and Lucy Burwell had at least 7 children: Thomas, Armistead, John E.= , Charles, Lizzie Anna, and a girl and boy whose names are not known. The= children were for the most part educated by a succession of teachers hir= ed by Burwell. Lizzie Anna Burwell attended an "institute," in nearby War= renton, N.C. for some part of her elementary education. After school Thom= as Burwell went to work for a commission merchant in Norfolk, Virginia, w= hile the other children remained at home. Details on Lucy Burwell's life are not abundant. She managed a complicate= d household; bearing and caring for children, directing the work of domes= tic slaves, gardening, nursing the sick, entertaining company. She appear= s to have suffered ill health frequently. To her fell the tasks of mainta= ining the social facade required by a prideful husband -- a husband who w= as evidently hot-tempered as well as arrogant. In 1857, Lucy Burwell left= home, accusing her husband of violent behavior. The marriage ended, Lucy= and her daughters went to live with her brother, and little is known abo= ut the family after this. There is virtually no biographical information on the slaves -- called "s= ervants" by their owners -- whose work fueled the plantation economy and = its elaborate social life. They are mentioned as individuals at birth or = death, when ailing, when hired out, when bought or sold. Families were sp= lit up when Anna and Elizabeth moved to New Orleans and had their slaves = sent to them. Occasionally the women were permitted to visit mothers or d= aughters. Various members of the Burwell and Guy families wrote of their = affection, respect, even love for certain slaves. But although these men = and women may have been recognized as individuals, with distinct talents = and personalities, they were also possessions, accorded no control over t= heir own lives. Scope and contents: About one third of the 114 letters in the Burwell-Guy collection are busi= ness correspondence to John A. Burwell from grocers, dry goods merchants,= and the commission merchants who handled the sale of his tobacco, corn, = and flour. The latter deducted a percentage of sales income and the costs= of transport and storage of produce, then paid Burwell his profits both = in the form of goods and money. Letters and invoices from John Jones's Ri= chmond, Va. company and the Petersburg, Va.-based firm of Martin and Dorm= ans generally comment on the tobacco market and its prospects, and advise= Burwell on how to cure and pack his tobacco in order to obtain the best = prices. A letter dated December 9, 1844, from John Eaton, who was also a = planter and probably a relation of Burwell's, offers interesting commenta= ry on North Carolina politics and public improvements. Thirteen letters from Burwell to his son, Thomas, in Norfolk are full of = advice on proper moral and business behavior. In December of 1854, he war= ns the young man at length about fashionable women with "paint on their c= heeks, cotton in their Bosoms, & wading on their hips and they pretend to= be smart but none hardly have any more sense than to reverse the order o= f nature..." His fatherly advice is to "[l]ook aloof, & let alone the wom= en, & you will do well." The following month he expresses agreement with = Thomas that it is better to "gallant the Young Ladies to Church on Sunday= than to 'sit back' in Hotels, & Coffee & Oyster Houses 'puffing segars.'= " He adds, however, that while church attendance instills good morals, "y= ou are not obliged to take all you see & hear at a church as right & good= . You have sense enough, if you will, to cull the good from the bad." Bu= rwell's comments reflect his rather casual attitude toward religion -- th= at it was good for a person, but not in excess, and that it need not occu= py a central role in life. Women seemed to place a greater emphasis on at= tending church, but their letters have little to say about religion. Chur= ch-going obviously fulfilled a social function as well as a spiritual one= . Plantation children's education was frequent commented upon in correspond= ence. Some teachers ran their own small schools, while others were hired = to instruct the children of an individual family or related families. Chi= ldren occasionally went away to nearby boarding schools. Boys appear to h= ave attended school more consistently than girls, although both were inst= ructed in a range of academic subjects. John Burwell went through a succe= ssion of teachers; one was dismissed for being too "mean," another for be= ing "an abominable fool" who tried to assume an "arbitrary & dictatorial = sort of power" over his sons, who would not stand to be treated in this w= ay. Burwell desired his sons to be respectful but not docile: "... never = give an insult & never take one. With this motto you avoid difficulty... = as well as the finger of scorn & contempt that every gentleman must have = for the coward." In three letters to his sister-in-law Elizabeth T. Guy, John A. Burwell w= rites at length on the life of the plantation, as viewed through his prop= rietary eyes. He describe illnesses, births and deaths, his sons' intelli= gence and his daughter's beauty, the success of his crop and the luxuries= bought with its profits, and the superiority of Virginia land. In July, = 1846 he brags of having "left my own neighborhood entirely out of sight" = in this year's tobacco production, which, with the addition of other prod= uce sales, has brought in $2,224.00. A letter of April 30, 1847 offers ch= illing commentary on attitudes toward slaves. Burwell writes with amuseme= nt that daughter Lizzie Anna has a black maid, Fanny, of whom she is very= fond, but that when Fanny made her angry the little girl asked her fathe= r to "cut Fanny's ears off & get her a new maid from Clarksville." A more= businesslike expression of the status of slaves as profitable chattel is= displayed in a June, 1848 letter which details the expenses and profits = due Elizabeth from the hiring out of her five slaves. John E. Burwell, at home on the plantation, wrote six letters to his brot= her, Thomas, between 1854 and 1857. These comment largely on hunting, whi= ch seems to have been a favorite male pastime. He also notes attending a = wedding and enjoying "waiting on" two young ladies. When the railroad wen= t through nearby, he amused himself by building a handcar to ride up and = down the tracks. The young man appears to have had little in the way of w= ork expected of him; or perhaps he did not consider chores worthy of comm= ent. The remainder of the Burwell-Guy letters consists of social correspondenc= e, largely between women members of the families. Aunts, nieces, sisters,= and cousins write typically of domestic life, visiting, social events, f= ashion, gardening, and illnesses. The women's correspondence is much more= fragmented than the men's, in which letters to or from John Burwell pred= ominate. There are nine letters from Elizabeth Guy to sister Lucy Burwell= , several to Elizabeth from the women of the Townes and Rawlins families,= respectively, and several to Elizabeth or Lucy from Aunt Mary Williamson= in Kentucky. The women's letters almost always include some news of the = slaves, whom they clearly regarded with affection as members of their hou= seholds. It is always, however, the affection of a superior for a subordi= nate, and if these women treated their slaves well and cared about them, = they also removed them from families at their convenience and hired them = out or assigned them work as they saw fit. After Anna Guy's marriage to Edward Rawlins she and sister Elizabeth had = their slaves insured and sent down to them in New Orleans. Elizabeth writ= es in December, 1846 "They will no doubt dislike to leave very much but t= ell them to dispose of their plunder to the best advantage, behave well, = & they shall be always well treated ..." Once there, Miss Guy hired some = of her slaves out to bring in income: "My three men are hired at sixty do= llars a month to a gentleman who is very kind to them; but a deduction is= made for all the time they are sick of course. The two Jim's are draymen= and Coy attends to the stables. Lucretia has grown & fattened very much = since she had scarlet fever. I made her some new blue dresses & long slee= ve white aprons & she is one of the nicest little maids that I know. The = lady who has her is very particularly [sic] with her, & is teaching her t= o sew." In the same letter Elizabeth consoles her sister Lucy at the loss= of her slave Indy. "I feel truly sorry to hear that she is no more. We t= hought a great deal of her, she always felt so much for you in your sickn= ess. I deeply sympathize with you in the loss you have sustained for I kn= ow you will miss her a great deal." Courtship is a recurrent theme in the Burwell-Guy papers, and both men an= d women seem to have been fond of flirting and appreciative of physical c= harm. It was evidently not necessary to be coy about expressing ones opin= ions and preferences, and a lively social life was much desired. After he= r sister's hasty marriage to Cousin Edward during their visit to Aunt Mar= y in Kentucky, Elizabeth Guy developed a passion for Cousin Perry DuPuy a= nd sought permission to marry him. When sister Lucy in North Carolina dis= approved, her ardor cooled -- much to brother-in-law John Burwell's amuse= ment. William Rawlins writes to his cousin Elizabeth Guy, addressed as "S= weet Sister Lizzy," on June 12, 1844, describing the social season last w= inter in Norfolk and his current adventures: "there are some beautiful sc= hool girls here and I have been flying around some of them." He wants to = see her soon so that he may tell her of "courting scrapes and engagements= and discards..." In September, 1855 Mary L. Burwell asks cousin Thomas B= urwell about her chances with an acquaintance of his, Dr. Robert, who los= t his wife recently. She wishes to know if he has "thrown aside the weeds= of mourning yet," for she still has "a fondness for young widowers." The collection winds up with the intriguing story of John and Lucy Burwel= l's divorce, an ugly tale which depicts the underside of their seemingly = stable, convivial plantation life. Letters from John Burwell to son Thoma= s written in March, 1857 lament that his wife has moved out, and that his= sons are taking her side, telling things which "should never go out of t= he family" in court, after saying previously that they would have no part= in their parents' quarrels. Unhappy domestic relations had evidently com= e to a head when Burwell became violent toward his slaves; he was accused= of "runing the negroes about with guns & sticks." Burwell asserts that h= e was doing it "out of fun," that no one was shot or struck, and that a g= ood marksman like himself "knows too well which way his guns were pointed= to have done mischief." The court decided otherwise, and granted Mrs. Bu= rwell, who had just given birth to a new son, a divorce. Her husband entr= eated her to return, vowing never to give "another cross word," and decla= ring that the decree was "a pack of foolishness." She evidently did not r= eturn. The few later letters in the collection do not touch upon the matt= er. When all of its bits and pieces are put together, the Burwell-Guy collect= ion yields a revealing slice of antebellum plantation life. It portrays a= social and domestic setting which emphasized family and hospitality, the= tobacco economy that supported such a lifestyle, and the slave system th= at enabled it to function. 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Hi all, yes, Allen Thomas was Nancy Thomas Spence's son, according to the marriage record. There was another Spence/Reynolds marriage between Asa Reynolds, b 1846, s/o Joshua and Catherine Aldreman Reynolds and Susanna Spence, d/o Eli and Martha Ellen Jackson Spence. Susanna died and Asa remarried Mary "Polly" Bradner in 1878. Asa and Susanna were Narcissus Fiebe Reynolds Spence's parents. Sorry, I can't find a Mada or Dora. Mary Anne

Hello, This genealogy game seems to me to be like a puzzle laid out on a table. Along the edges we have some sort of pattern developing, but in the middle is a big pile of pieces ! So.... I'll throw some more in the middle and see if anything connects. I find little pieces of info here & there and save them up, and post them. Doesn't that drive you crazy ? Presbyterian settlements in Virginia..... Staunton, Lexington, Abingdon That's where the Presbyterians went early on. Other settlements were Jonesboro TN and Morganton NC. Tire Spence. Unusual name. I have been working in my Pucketts ( and if you think Spence is hard, you should try Pucketts ! ) and found a Tyre Puckett. I have been contacted by a lady looking for the parents of a Dora Spence (1889-1969) whose parents were Mada Reynolds and ? Spence. She doesn't know the father's name, just that he was raised or living with a Hoffelfinger family. I wondered if that was another orphan brother to Norma's Jeremiah. This ? Spence would have been born abt. 1869. The only Reynolds-Spence marriage I know of was Narcissa Reynolds and Sedgewick Spence. Which reminds me to tell you that have Reynolds families from around Patrick & Floyd Counties, to be aware that the R.J. Reynolds family originated there. I worked on R.J.'s line for a friend many years ago, Pamela Reynolds. She is an honest to goodness descendant of R.J. himself and gets $ 30,000 a year with cost of living increases, just for being a Reynolds. She had to wait until 30 years of age to begin receiving it though. Quit work shortly after that ! Lucky !!!! R.J.'s brother moved to Bristol VA/TN and manufactured "Reynolds Wrap". Cox families are in the Reynolds line also. The book " The Guilded Leaf" by Patrick Reynolds has an excellent family history on the ancestors, if any one is interested. (Yes, I have Cox and checked to make sure I wasn't a long lost family member ! ) Thanks Jean for posting the passages from the book in regards to David & Mary McElyea Spence. Some on the list need to look at that . As soon as I get some info on Moses Spence who lived in GA ( Born VA 1764 ) I'll have the chart copies ready to mail out to those who want them. Currently this chart has been reduced to over 20 pages. From this you can see who we are talking about and who has no family listed as descendants. Anyone who wants one just mail me your address and a book of stamps ( $ 6.40 ) and I'll mail you one so you can follow along. Again I would like to thank Claire Spence of Middleton VA for coming up with the idea of the chart to use as a roadmap. With a chart I hope everyone will go back through their research notes and see if you maybe corresponded with anyone a few years ago and couldn't connect. That one person may have the keys we need to put this puzzle together !!! They may have only an oral tradition, but there are truth in those. I truly feel the chart is the best way to dig up ancestors and cousins rather than posting on the internet and getting a response after you have died and your family knows absolutely nothing about your hard earned research !!! This discussion group has grown from 5 ladies to almost 30 people !!! My dream is to have a person join up and say, " You know my great Aunt has this old Bible with wooden covers on it up in her attic with Spence's written on every blank page, and they were from Virginia. Do you think you could use this ? " Question for Mary Anne: Is the Allen Thomas, Minister,born 1821, who married Mary Ann Nester, Nancy Thomas Spence's son ? Or no ? Enough mindless dribble, Have a good weekend, Carolyn

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_910996800_boundary Content-ID: <0_910996800@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-11-13 11:19:04 EST, jeang@surfsouth.com writes: << The Family Tree Maker Online: Genealogy Library.com on the books listed today have "The descendants of Captain Thomas Carter", by Joseph L. Miller. On page 314,315,316: "Catharine Carter, born 1790, Virginia, probably Franklin County, was married in Robertson County, Tenn., to REV. THOS. SPENCE, a Methodist minister who lived on a fine farm about six miles from Springfield in that county. He was the eldest son of DAVID and MARY McELYEA SPENCE and was born near the Yadkin River in Surry County, N.C. DAVID SPENCE was born in New Jersey and was the son of THOMAS SPENCE, who came from Scotland to New Jersey and married SARAH HERRIMAN, daughter of David Harriman, who had emigrated to America from Wales. "DAVID SPENCE fought in the Revolutionary War under Gen. Marion. While the troops were passing the home of MARY McELYEA (in North Carolina) she helped to give them water, and he was so pleased with her that he came back after the war and married her. She lived until after the Civil War and was one hundred and four years old, straight as an arrow, and had never taken but one dose of medicine." THOMAS SPENCE removed his family in 1828 to Union County, Illinois, where his wife died April 8, 1833, and he in 1835. They are buried near Anna, Ill. They had issue: 1) David Spence, died at age 4 years 2) Anne Spence, married her cousin (?) Spence 3) Isaac Spence, He died in 1876 at Houston, Texas, where he has one daughter Mrs. Samuel Allen 4) William Spence, died in Bardstown, Ill 5) Mary Lemon Spence, married twice, first a Mr. Cannon, second a Mr. Richie, and died near Corsicana, Texas where her descendants now live. 6) Nancy Martin Spence, married twice, first a Mr. Peterson, second a Mr. Madden. Died in Vienna, Ill., her daughter Mrs Ruth Chapman, lives there. 7) Absalom Martin Spence, died in Texas. 8) Sarah Catharine Spence, married twice in Beardstown, Ill., first Thomas Saunders, second Norman Parsons (the book lists her children) 9) Sinah B. Spence, died in infancy. 10) Lydia Paralee Spence, married James McClure of Philadephia, both died at Beardstown Ill. (book list their children) 11) Elva Jane Spence, married John McClure of Philadelphia, and had no issue, both died at Beardstown, Ill. 12) Elizabeth Peters Spence, born in Robertson County, Tenn, Sept. 16, 1828 she was taken to Union County, Ill when her parents removed to that place, where they died in 1833 and '34. In Oct. 1835, she, with her sisters and brothers, went to live with their brother ISAAC SPENCE at Beardstown, Cass County, Ill. Here she met and married Charles Joseph Norbury, son of Judge Joseph Britt Norbury, of Philadelphia, whose family is one of the oldest in England. They were married January 9, 1839 (the book lists their children) Page 223 and 234 has something on Lawrence Pope, son of John and Sarah (Motherhead) Pope, grandson of Lawrence and Jemima (Waddy) Pope. Jemima a daughter of Thomas Waddy of Westmoreland and the widow of JOHN SPENCE. Jean ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <jeang@surfsouth.com> Received: from relay31.mx.aol.com (relay31.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.31]) by air15.mail.aol.com (v51.16) with SMTP; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:19:04 1900 Received: from surfsouth.com (amanda-direct.surfsouth.com [205.139.60.28]) by relay31.mx.aol.co >> --part0_910996800_boundary Content-ID: <0_910996800@inet_out.mail.surfsouth.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <jeang@surfsouth.com> Received: from relay31.mx.aol.com (relay31.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.31]) by air15.mail.aol.com (v51.16) with SMTP; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:19:04 1900 Received: from surfsouth.com (amanda-direct.surfsouth.com [205.139.60.28]) by relay31.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA27367 for <SPENCETOP@aol.com>; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from jeang (07-vald-023.dial.surfsouth.com [204.189.119.131]) by surfsouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04593 for <SPENCETOP@aol.com>; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:19:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811131619.LAA04593@surfsouth.com> From: "Genevieve Glass" <jeang@surfsouth.com> To: <SPENCETOP@aol.com> Subject: THANK YOU Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:15:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Good morning Carolyn, Thank you very much for the charts. My you have been busy. I purchased an upgrade of Family Tree Maker from 3.4 to 5.0. When I received it found I had ordered a package. It includes 4 disks on "Family Atlas for Windows", the booklet gives instructions on all kinds of maps. My eyes are not good enough to mess with it, would you like to have the 4 disks? I will keep the upgrade. The Family Tree Maker Online: Genealogy Library.com on the books listed today have "The descendants of Captain Thomas Carter", by Joseph L. Miller= . On page 314,315,316: "Catharine Carter, born 1790, Virginia, probably Franklin County, was married in Robertson County, Tenn., to REV. THOS. SPENCE, a Methodist minister who lived on a fine farm about six miles from Springfield in that county. He was the eldest son of DAVID and MARY McELYEA SPENCE and was bor= n near the Yadkin River in Surry County, N.C. DAVID SPENCE was born in New Jersey and was the son of THOMAS SPENCE, who came from Scotland to New Jersey and married SARAH HERRIMAN, daughter of David Harriman, who had emigrated to America from Wales. "DAVID SPENCE fought in the Revolutionary War under Gen. Marion. While the troops were passing the home of MARY McELYEA (in North Carolina) she helped to give them water, and he was so pleased with her that he came back after the war and married her. She live= d until after the Civil War and was one hundred and four years old, straight as an arrow, and had never taken but one dose of medicine." THOMAS SPENCE removed his family in 1828 to Union County, Illinois, where his wife died April 8, 1833, and he in 1835. They are buried near Anna, Ill. They had issue: 1) David Spence, died at age 4 years 2) Anne Spence, married her cousin (?) Spence 3) Isaac Spence, He died in 1876 at Houston, Texas, where he has one daughter Mrs. Samuel Allen 4) William Spence, died in Bardstown, Ill 5) Mary Lemon Spence, married twice, first a Mr. Cannon, second a Mr. Richie, and died near Corsicana, Texas where her descendants now live. 6) Nancy Martin Spence, married twice, first a Mr. Peterson, second a Mr. Madden. Died in Vienna, Ill., her daughter Mrs Ruth Chapman, lives there. 7) Absalom Martin Spence, died in Texas. 8) Sarah Catharine Spence, married twice in Beardstown, Ill., first Thomas Saunders, second Norman Parsons (the book lists her children) 9) Sinah B. Spence, died in infancy. 10) Lydia Paralee Spence, married James McClure of Philadephia, both died at Beardstown Ill. (book list their children) 11) Elva Jane Spence, married John McClure of Philadelphia, and had no issue, both died at Beardstown, Ill. 12) Elizabeth Peters Spence, born in Robertson County, Tenn, Sept. 16, 182= 8 she was taken to Union County, Ill when her parents removed to that place, where they died in 1833 and '34. In Oct. 1835, she, with her sisters and brothers, went to live with their brother ISAAC SPENCE at Beardstown, Cass County, Ill. Here she met and married Charles Joseph Norbury, son of Judge Joseph Britt Norbury, of Philadelphia, whose family is one of the oldest i= n England. They were married January 9, 1839 (the book lists their children) Page 223 and 234 has something on Lawrence Pope, son of John and Sarah (Motherhead) Pope, grandson of Lawrence and Jemima (Waddy) Pope. Jemima a daughter of Thomas Waddy of Westmoreland and the widow of JOHN SPENCE. Jean --part0_910996800_boundary--

Hello Bruce, Thanks for writing. I don't know where to start. The SPENCE-BLUFORD group was designed for just the purpose of connecting the Spence families in SW VA. As to Thomas Spence and Mary Green, this Thomas is an elusive character. We do know that he was a Colonial Soldier. He may have died young though and his children scattered. The Thomas Spence born in 1727 Scotland is probably the Thomas who married Sarah Harriman and they moved to Surry Co. NC from New Jersey. Some have thought that my Burwell descended from this man, but I have serious doubts. The FOWLER book I have mentioned covers this family. Notably the given name David runs in that family, and we have not one instance of the name David Spence in our families. That line is thought to have moved directly from NJ to NC without stopping in VA, so there is where I have doubts. The ages of the sons don't match up with ours. Our group is studying Tazewell Co. VA at present because my Spence line originated in Carroll Co. VA and James & Jane Bluford Spence originated in Augusta Co. VA, and yet in 1820-1830 children of both James & Burwell were living in Tazewell with some intermarriage going on. This says to me that these families were related. I don't think families moved to new regions alone and without either family or friends already there. The circumstancial evidence is pointing toward the Isle of Wight area as the originating point of both these families. The Spence/Harriman line also had a James born abt. 1755, so that rules out James who married Jane Bluford from that line, as far as I know. That's why I have ordered the book to make sure. What Luanne was given on the piece of paper when she was younger, was written in a time before genealogy became as big as it is today, which leads me to think that the information could have came from someone who at one time had access to perhaps a family Bible. The paper was correct in her research as far back as James & Jane. Thomas is where we have trouble finding records. With the lack of records we then must logically decide what these ancestors did by studying their habits, neighbors, given names, etc. As a student of Virginia over the years, I am seeing clusters of surnames in our Spence families that originated in the lower part of Virginia. History tells us that the valleys were populated by Scot-Irish on a southward movement. But I am seeing our intermarried families with surnames of lower eastern VA origin which indicates to me a westward migration. Example: Lee, Bluford, Burwell, Green, Hurd, Puckett, Sutphin, Goad, Webb, Leftwich, Carter, and others. The Green's for example originated around Halifax Co. VA from what surviving records there are in the 1600's. Ditto for the Bluford's who are found next door in Mecklenburg Co. The Lee family was of eastern VA origin also, Halifax I think. So anyway that's the pattern I am looking into. Could be wrong as I'm human. I hope this helps and since the nore became so lengthly, I'll post it to the group also. Please go here and read some of our old postings on our old website list to catch up with the group. you may find some interesting things there ! <A HREF="http://www.egroups.com/list/vaspence/">Vaspence</A> Please let us know from which child of William Spence you descend so I can add it to the big chart ! Later, Carolyn

Hi gang, I wanted to post this article reprint from the Asheville Citizen Times on Jan. 26,1969 by Lewis W. Green. I hope you will, as I, agree that this is a excellent article for those of us on the hunt for our elusive ancestors. I thought it was a perfect sentiment. THE GHOSTS OF A FIERCE AND DIFFICULT PEOPLE They came into this tortuous, tangled land of mountains-- not so much to begin a new life as to continue the old one without interference. A difficult people, neither kings nor presidents ruled them. to a hard land came a hardy race. These old mountains drew them and filled their peculiar need, because here the grim and gloomy weathers on the high tops brought response from the hidden and obscure climates of a highlander's fey soul. Fierce people-- their spirit was of eagles. Their code grew from the rattlesnake, an honorable creature whose warning is brief and whose answer is quick. They cleared their land and worked it and each generation inbred in the coves and on the ridges, grew more lost and ignorant of the world outside, and came to know nothing of that world as the decades flowed by-- but they never lost their mother-wit, nor courage, nor obstinacy, nor audacity, no, never their wild highland spirit. Nor ego nor individuality. Nights of the bitter wind, moaning at the eaves and shrieking past the chimney... hardy, tough, staring at nature and life with the eyes of realists. And they lived it out and then died-- rarely in peace and comfort but most often bitterly, in misery and at times bloodily. Those who first came here are lost in the fathoms of time now. Their blood courses through the generations and in other veins; but their thoughts and ways mingle and fade through strange new brains. Their language has undergone mutations, and though still distinctive, is losing, losing, losing..... Time, the slow abrasive pour of a liquid we do not see, even as it swirls its grains upon our days... wearing, grinding, washing, draining. We have lost them forever and traces are fading away. But here and there, now and then, we can pierce the veils, hear the tongues, see this people. We see them as though remote ghosts in the gloaming, coming and going and sowing their shy days there in private pasts and forgotton lives. Romanticism was in these practical people. Their poetry was brief and crude and the imagery of it reflected them. Shot Pouch Road. Wild Cat Cliff. Wolf Pen Mountain. Lick Stone Ridge. Hard Scrabble Road ? What mocking wit. Lick Skillet Road. The winters were long, the children many, the food was scarce. These broken voices of taciturn pioneer imagery-- Hanging Dog and Possum Trot, Rabbit Run and Standing Indian, Snow Bird and Shining Rock, Bee Tree and Cranberry, Spruce Pine and Old Fort, Mine Hole and Bald Mountain, Sandy Mush and Big Ivey, Peach Tree and Poverty Branch, Fires Creek and Pigeon River, Wagon Gap Road and Elk Mountain, Blowing Rock and Grandfather Mountain; Ox Creek and Bee Log and Hickory Nut Gap and Big Roan and Walnut Creek and Dark Ridge and Ninevah and Sulphur Springs. And what part of the land they did not stamp with their own poetry, they borrowed from the Indian: Watauga and Soco, Saunooke and Cataloochee and Junaluska and these names they laid down--Stecoah, Tuskaseigee, Oconaluftee, Nantahala, Osceola, Fontana, Qualla, Hiawassee. And why not borrow these liquid and musical words ? Together both races endured the life of the mountains. We hear them across the gulf, and we see them. Crumbled cabins, scattered foundations. Lonely chimneys, a snake in the stone, a toad on the hearth, headstones sinking away in the slow mire of the earth. Or this old house, built to withstand the winds of a thousand years..... And the house did not last for its thousand years but served four generations and the last ones did not care because the world had come into the coves to lead them out and they went somewhere else, and they noted curiously that time was not passing as slowly as it had in the time of the fathers, but had speeded up and was out of control. And so the later ones will not have what their fathers had, will not work their stingy land all day, will not sit tiredly of evenings and listen to the first owl begin hooting, or watch those infinitely slow currents of time and fate move toward old tired midnight; nor exult in the early moon through summer trees, nor drink pure spring water from all the quick streams, nor dance to fiddles skirling wildly of other highlands, nor hear the far deep bugling of hounds a'running, and the new ones are the losers because they have the blood and spirit, and they have the exultancy of the soul and do not know where to spend it. The first ones came here and are gone, and the world is richer for their coming and poorer for their going, and we did not know them. END OF ARTICLE OF LEWIS GREEN. Carolyn

Hi all, I'm stil alive. I'm not so sure that I'd say I' kicking, but our soon to be new Spence descendant certainly is. I fell a few weeks back and cracked some ribs, just as I was starting to get to that part of pregnancy where you feel wonderful all the time and the nausea is gone. Oh well. The best news is that our new cousin is doing fine and didn't seem to feel a thing. We should be hearing from him/her in early March and I'll be sure to let you all know whether we have a boy or a girl. I just say, as long as it's not a lizrd, I'll be happy <g>. I'm heading over to the Family History Library Tonight. Maybe I could start trying to figure out who Jane Bluford's parents are. I'm pretty sure she's in the IGI although I'm almost certain there are no parents listed. Any hints or suggestions as to where I should look? Was she from AUgusta County? The FHL has a handful of early Augusta County records I could scour. Let me know of any leadds before 4 pm MST and I'll follow up on them tonight. Thanks for keeping an eye out for me. I'll let you all know what I find. Alana Kimbel Considine *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Marc & Alana Considine Bee's Wing Books <beeswing@inconnect.com> http://www.inconnect.com/~beeswing

Hi Folks...........For Your Information...: PROGENITOR OF THE AMERICAN FAMILIES OF: BEAUFORTS / BEAUFORDS / BLUEFORDS "BULFORDS" / FULFORDS / BURFORDS & " BUFORDS" was: RICHARD BEAUFORD B. 1617/18 Gravesend, England D. after 1656 Lancaster, Virginia Richard emigrated from Gravesend, England on 1 Aug 1635, at age 18, sailing on the ship called: "Elizabeth". Richard settled in Lancaster, Virginia when he obtained 300 acres of land on 15 April 1656, from John Vause, located on the South side of the Rappannock River. Early descendants can be located both in Middlesex Co., VA. & Richmond Co., VA. ----------------------------------------- For those who wonder what this means....the wife of James Spence of Augusta Co., VA. - Jane Bluford will eventually be traced back to this character once we get started on her line. Jim James F. Carver 610 Gay Street, Box 214 Portsmouth, Ohio 45662-0214 e-mail: heritage@zoomnet.net

Hi cuzzins and especially Jessie & Bruce, I haven't checked the ole mailbox tonight, but in case no one welcomed you guys, WELCOME ! Yes, we are researching your James and Jane Bluford Spence. You have 3 or 4 cousins all ready here in the gang. Maybe some of those cousins will write some messages and fill you in. We have basically the same info as Luanne told you about, but have uncovered some interesting facts and are doing so everyday. I need to check on Alana. Alana, are you doing all right ? Haven't heard from you in a while.... Do we have a new Spence descendant yet ? I need for Marilyn and James to give us some info on Moses Spence in Georgia. I need to add him to these charts so we can put him under the microscope real soon. Norm, I added your list to the chart, still unattached as of yet. I did notice the name Thomas running in your line there, so maybe let's keep an eye on your line as a possible child of the Bluford line. Also, I've finally got an address to get a copy of that Fowler book on David Spence out of the Surry Co. NC line. I want to read that and any others I can find on Spence families in the western part of NC. Your line may have come from the Surry NC line as they passed through. Surry and Carroll/Grayson VA are next door. I have seen babies born in Grayson Co. VA when their parents resided in Ashe Co. NC. the Spence family in Surry is reported to be the Thomas Spence and Sarah Harriman line from NJ. they had sons David and John that I know of because I see their records in Surry Co. all the time. Everyone, I've been doing a lot of reading this week, and will try to post tidbits as time allows. There's no reason on earth that you guys can't carry on without me though ! Later, Carolyn

We have been researching the Spence family as my husband is a Spence and we've traced the family to James Spence b. 1748 in Augusta co.,Va. who married Jane Bluford b.1951. We've not been able to go back any further. If anyone has any information on James,his brother,sisters and parents we would appreciate any information Jessie & Bruce Spence

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_910786598_boundary Content-ID: <0_910786598@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-11-11 01:17:37 EST, vaspence-accept-efm29@egroups.com writes: << Bible Record owned by JOSEPH SPENCE and his wife MARY BRITE. and owned by Marshall Burgess Brothers, Route 5, Elizabeth City, NC. There is a date of 27 January 1827 NC. JOSEPH was born 10 Mar 1774 and died 8 Feb 1841. He was the son of WILLIAM ahuytfo7iyIfnehoielnsthe fnd JUDAH SPENCE. He must have been married to a LYDIA and she died 28 Spt 1825. Children: Olly a Peggy b 11 Jun 1796 William b 25 Feb 1802 Sarah b 12 Nov 18-- Ollu ELisshaisaheOllye ja dd Elizasha Peggy b 11 Jun 1796 William b 25 Feb Olly, a daughter b 29 AP1802r 1807jdoe fgjaoe f  ? [This note is so old there is not a zip code, but I send it anyway as may mean something to some one] Joseph was born 10 March 1774 to WILLIAM and JUDAH SPENCE and died 8 February 1841. He must have been married first to a LYDIA who died 28 September 1825. Children; Peggy b 11 Jun 1796 William b 25 Feb 1802 Sarah b12 Nov 18-- Olly (a daughter) b 29 April 1807 Elisha b 29 Mar 1810 - d 1827 Evan b 26 Oct 1812 Elizabeth b 30 Dec 1815 Has anyone seen the Bible Records compiled by Wilma Cartwright Spence and Edna Morrisette Shannonhouse (?) from 18th century to the present? I just saw it mentioned somewhere! Then mentiion of a JOHN SPENCE the son of ALSTON/MARJERA (?) born in 1829 Scribblings of Luanne Spence Taylor. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <vaspence-return-@egroups.com> Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za02.mail.aol.com (v51.16) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:17:37 -0500 Received: from fin >> --part0_910786598_boundary Content-ID: <0_910786598@inet_out.mail.egroups.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <vaspence-return-@egroups.com> Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za02.mail.aol.com (v51.16) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:17:37 -0500 Received: from findmail.com (mh.findmail.com [209.185.96.158]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id BAA11939 for <spencetop@aol.com>; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2548 invoked by uid 505); 11 Nov 1998 05:29:55 -0000 Date: 11 Nov 1998 05:29:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19981111052955.2547.qmail@findmail.com> Mailing-List: contact vaspence-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: vaspence@egroups.com From: vaspence-accept-efm29@egroups.com Subject: MODERATE -- LexSpence@aol.com wants to post a message to vaspence To: spencetop@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is the eGroups.com service. 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If you wish to send a comment to the sender of this post, please include the comment in the text of your reply between two marker lines starting with ###. ### Start comment ### End comment Thanks! The eGroups.com Team --- Here is a copy of the message: To: vaspence@egroups.com From: LexSpence@aol.com Subject: Bible record Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:27:59 EST Bible Record owned by JOSEPH SPENCE and his wife MARY BRITE. and owned by Marshall Burgess Brothers, Route 5, Elizabeth City, NC. There is a date of 27 January 1827 NC. JOSEPH was born 10 Mar 1774 and died 8 Feb 1841. He was the son of WILLIAM ahuytfo7iyIfnehoielnsthe fnd JUDAH SPENCE. He must have been married to a LYDIA and she died 28 Spt 1825. Children: Olly a Peggy b 11 Jun 1796 William b 25 Feb 1802 Sarah b 12 Nov 18-- Ollu ELisshaisaheOllye ja dd Elizasha Peggy b 11 Jun 1796 William b 25 Feb Olly, a daughter b 29 AP1802r 1807jdoe fgjaoe f  ? [This note is so old there is not a zip code, but I send it anyway as may mean something to some one] Joseph was born 10 March 1774 to WILLIAM and JUDAH SPENCE and died 8 February 1841. He must have been married first to a LYDIA who died 28 September 1825. Children; Peggy b 11 Jun 1796 William b 25 Feb 1802 Sarah b12 Nov 18-- Olly (a daughter) b 29 April 1807 Elisha b 29 Mar 1810 - d 1827 Evan b 26 Oct 1812 Elizabeth b 30 Dec 1815 Has anyone seen the Bible Records compiled by Wilma Cartwright Spence and Edna Morrisette Shannonhouse (?) from 18th century to the present? I just saw it mentioned somewhere! Then mentiion of a JOHN SPENCE the son of ALSTON/MARJERA (?) born in 1829 Scribblings of Luanne Spence Taylor. --part0_910786598_boundary--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_910656954_boundary Content-ID: <0_910656954@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi gang, I'm forwarding the message from Luanne to the list in it's entirety, as I think we will need this information in the future. Luanne has just returned home from a trip and her Hubby Ben had to have some surgery, so she has her hands full catching up on all the chores around home, and preparing for the Holidays. She'll be keeping up with us though ! Carolyn --part0_910656954_boundary Content-ID: <0_910656954@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: LexSpence@aol.com Return-path: <LexSpence@aol.com> To: SPENCETOP@aol.com Subject: Southampton Co VA Spences Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:04:51 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Carolyn, I have this info from a BASS consin as somehow that family is tie= d into our WILLIAM SPENCE but I cannot work it out. She has trouble, too, understanding the relationship. Anyhoo, she is so darling to send me stuf= f like this as she finds it. I own the Southampton Co book of deeds, etc wh= ich helps as so many family members are there as I have told you before, mainl= y the THORPES and SPENCES. Here goes and you can edit it for the group. OK? Southampton Co., VA OB 1749-1754 P. 19; 14 Sept 1749 Petition of John Person agst Charles Spence for debt due by account is continued til next Court. Petition of John Person agst William Spence for debt due by account is continued til next Court. VPB 27 p341-342 dat 5 Sep 1749 Thomas Lee President of our Council and Commander in Chief to William Spence con 35 shillings re 335a Isle of Wight County on N Side Meherrin River, pine between John BRANTLEYs and Hug= h Norwell Thence by BRANTLEYs Line, white oak corner thence by John Wards Line, red oak thence by Hugh Norwells Lines) and red oak, red oak, white oak, black oak, red oak corner thence by Harry Floyd's Line, red oak then by Hugh Norwell's Lines, small red oak, red oak, to the Beginning VPB 29 p79-81 dat 15 December 1749 to William Taylor con 15 shillings re 130a Isle of Wight County on N side Maherrin River, black oak corner of Hugh Norwell's Land by a small Branch= , red oak corner of sd Taylor's other land by his old Lines then red oak then white oak corner of William Spence thence by Spence's lines then blac= k oak then red oak corner of Thomas Clifton's by his lines then red oak then red oak then black oak then pine then 4 trees chopped inwards corner of Henry Harris's in the head of a small branch down sd Br to the beginning Southampton Co., VA DB 1:215 28 Aug 1750. Spence to Macklemore this indenture made the 28th day of August 1750 between William Spence of Southampton county of the one part and Elizabeth Macklemore of the county aforesaid of the other part witnesseth that the said William Spence for and in consideration of the love and tender affection he bares for his daughter Elizabeth Macklemore aforesaid hath given granted and confirmed unto the said Elizbeth Macklemore her heirs an= d assignees forever. One certain tract or parcel of land situated and lying and being in Southampton county on the north side of a branch called Frank= s branch containing 80 acres more or less and bounded as follows. Beginning at Franks branch then surrounded Thomas Clifton=92s line to black oak by t= he side of William Spence for a dividing line thence easterly along a line of marked trees to John Calthorp=92s line - - - being part of a tract of lan= d granted to the said William Spence by patent bearing date the 5th day of September 1749. (note: that land was patented on land patent book 27 pag= e 341, 342 - 5 September 1749. ) William Spence 335 acres Isle of Wight on north side of Meherrin river bounded by a corner between John Brantley and Hugh Norvell also John Ward=92s line and Harry Floyd=92s line - - -In witn= ess whereof the said William Spence to these presence has set his hand and sea= l the day and year first above written. Signed sealed and delivered in presence of Thomas Clifton, William Foster and William Macklemore. Signed William his mark Spence. memorandum 28th day of August 1750 same witnesses and signed the same way by William Spence. At a court held for the county of Southampton on Thursday the 11th day of April 1751 this indenture and memorandum were acknowledged by the within named William Spence and ordered to be recorded. examined teste R. Kello clerk Southampton Co., VA DB 1:266 9 Oct 1751 This indenture made the 9th day of October 1751 between William Spence of Southampton county in Virginia of the one part and John Macklemore of the county aforesaid of the other part witnesseth that the said William Spence for and in consideration of the sum of 10 pounds current money of Virginia - - - one certain tract or parcel of land situated lying and being in Southampton county on the south side of Franks branch containing by estimation 100 acres more or less and being part of 335 acres of land granted to the said William Spence by patent bearing date at Williamsburg the 5th day of September 1749 and bounded as followeth to wit beginning at Franks branch where John Calthorps line crosses the said branch - - - to Captain John Ruffins land then by Ruffins line to Thomas Cliftons line the= n by Cliftons line to Franks branch aforesaid - - - in witness whereof the said William Spence has here unto set his hand and sealed the day and year first above written. Signed sealed and delivered in presence of John Perso= n Jr., Thomas Clifton, John Calthorp. VPB 33 p607-608 dat 4 July 1759 to John Macklemore/Maclemore con 15 shillings re 130a Isle of Wight County now Southampton County on N side of Maherrin River Whereas by Patent 15 December 1749 unto William Taylor and whereas William Taylor hath failed t= o pay Quit Rents and to make Cultivation and improvements and John Maclemor= e made suit for the same black oak corner of Hugh Norwells by a Small branch= , by Norwells, red oak corner of Taylors other Land thence by his old lines, red oak , white oak thence by Williams Spences lines, black oak, red oak thence by Thomas Cliftons lines, red oak , red oak , black oak, pine, 4 trees chopped inwards corner of Henry Harris's Land in a Small Branch and down sd Br to the beginning. WB 1 Southampton Co., VA P. 240, WW 12 Jan 1758, WP 9 Feb 1758. William Spence of Nottoway Parish. Leg. daughter Mary, John Spence, Lucy Powell, John McLemore. Mary Bass to live on my plantation her lifetime. Ex.: Simon Turner, Sr. Wit: John Rawlings, James Bass, Middy Bass. --part0_910656954_boundary--