Hi, two have on Southern Trails and one has said on Txerath that her grandad was a Mullins friend of Jesse and his friends. If you didn't see it they may have sent it to me personally only, not for all to read, but I did not notice that designation. The book about the Courtney family aka jesse? of Blevins, Falls County, Texas is about 2 years old or less. It has been reviewed in the Texas Coop Power recently. The headstone of "Jesse James or J. Frank Dalton is there for all to see ever since he - or whoever is there, died. I have one Oklahoma cousin preparing a book on the subject, but we will wait and let it speak for itself. A recent article either Texas Coop Power or Waco Tribune Herald was written by former Texas Attorney General Waggoner Carr who is on retainer to protect the rights of the heirs of J> Frank Dalton aka Jesse James. He is a native of Hillsboro, Texas if I am not mistaken , where one of Jesse's relatives settled. I will find the article again-at the present I am not trying to prove anything, I am just interested in the rest of the story. Mr. Carr says that Jesse of the branch he represents was the J. Frank Dalton who in later years lived near Grosebeck, Texas , then nearer Houston and someone in his family worked in Galveston , where Jesse spent some time before his death. The retired publisher of the Hico newspaper, Mr. Heffner has done much research and travel with Brushy Bill Roberts (Possibly Billy the Kid) and has found records where he and Jesse james aka J. Frank Dalton attending Texas Parks & Wildlife banquets in Grandbury together. This man, past 80, on one trip to New Mexico to try to claim his promised pardon before he died, would ask Mr. Heffner to stop, then tell him where houses were in Lincoln County, New Mexico. He was right every time and had not visited New Mexico in many years. Billy's dad rode with the james boys and others after the Civil War and a 12 year old boy , William Bonney Roberts visited his dad and the James Brothers taught him riding and shooting tricks. I have a B.S. and M.Ed. in Education and Administration from North Texas State University, Denton, Texas, heavy in history. I see nothing impossible about these claims. We are a gullible generation if we think our generation invented new identities that would check out . I am not sure which is real, but the Missouri story sounds like Janet Reno's first version of Mount Carmel in Waco. The package is too neat . We who lived here and knew about Mount Carmel#1 on Lake Waco when the National Guard fed the group which were past their date for the end of the world and had no food , and heard the stories from involved locals and live mobile units on radio and TV about some of the info now surfacing When I worked in Minnesota a few weeks a U of Minn. Prof from St. Paul had a new book out which questioned Jesse being at the Northfield bank robery and had ample proof to cast a reasonable doubt in court . I did not get the book, but heard his interviews . The National Tombstone Epitath , Cochise County, Arizona, had an article in the 1980's about a private detective or former Marshall, can't remember which, who reported seeing Jesse james and William Bonney have a several hour visit in a n Arizona hotel well after they were both supposedly dead. I grew up surrounded by versions of a story fron my Great Aunt Etta Robinson Moxley about Jesse James hiding a small cache of silver coins between the Pony Creek and Johnsville churches. Her description would have been north of the present Hwy 67, Erath County, Texas. Court records document John Crockett used his real name when he rode with Quantrill and he settled in the Pony Creek, - Pizarro, Texas area. Jesse was acompanied by Mr. Crockett or Mr. Mullins or another former gang member in or near Crockett land. when he buried the silver. People with first hand knowledge were digging for it about the time I started to school and Bonnie & Clyde were sleeping in and/or near the Johnsville \Church. If silver was ever found it was not publicized. One pit near Johnsville would have filled 2 or 3 boxcars- or the dirt from it would. I have read many different reports and feel some confusion may have been loyal gang members claiming to be Jesse so someone would not think to question their real identities and accept their assumed names. Take care- Charles Wyly On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:18:36 -0500 "Don Knight" <[email protected]> writes: >I would like to know the identities of the witnesses in the statement >"We >have plenty of witnesses to Jesse >living in various places in TX and visiting friends in Tombstone, >AZafter >his demise which many think was a cover to start a new life. >Don Knight > >-----Original Message----- >From: Charles A. Wyly <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:59 PM >Subject: Re: Southern-Trails-D Digest V99 #244 > > >>Hey, it just hit me- are you Bobby Gilmer Moss? My Hipp and Copeland >>ancestors were from Clinton, Greeneville, and Greer, S.C. as well as >some >>Stone and Cleveland and Wyly kin. We have plenty of witnesses to >Jesse >>living in various places in Texas and visiting friends in Tombstone, >>Arizona after his demise which many think was a cover to start a new >>life. Several who knew him before he "was shot" recognized him later. >The >>same for Billy the Kid. John Wilkes Boot's grave has a black headed >man >>in it, according to Unsolved Misteries folk who studied the shooting >of >>someone called him The wounded man who recoverred with a friend's >help >>stayed in a log cabin still standing between Iredell and Hico, >Texas. >> >>I definitely do not think the FBI invented pardons and hiden >identities >>in our lifetime. >>Take care, >>Charles Augustine Wyly >> >>Take care, Charles Wyly >> >> >>On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:53:21 EDT [email protected] writes: >>>In a message dated 9/8/99 3:12:07 AM !!!First Boot!!!, >[email protected] >>>writes: >>> >>><< eye witnesses said the body exhumed >>> in Missouri was lying face down in the coffin and the only DNA >>>missouri >>> evidence came from a tooth of jesse's buried outside his childhood >>>home, >>> not his grave and the corpse was the wrong size for Jesse >> >>>I watched the A & E (I think that was the station) documentary. Was >>>under the >>>impression that the exhumation took much longer because the coffin >was >>>wooden >>>instead of metal as they had been told. From what I remember they >did >>>find >>>damage to skull that would indicate gun shot. They also measured >the >>>skelton >>>and that it was the size of Jesse. I thought the tooth was taken >from >>>the >>>skull and they used mitochrondial DNA to prove that skelton was >Jesse. >>>How >>>would the researchers know if a tooth found outside the old >homeplace >>>would >>>even belong to Jesse or a member of the James family? Guess the >next >>>time >>>they show it, I will watch more closely. 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