Hi, Theresa, maybe i can help, but I may just add more smoke. One line on my tree are the German YOWELL , of Pennsylvania and Georgia (Uhl- Yuel) and possibly with a short stay in Scotland. They have spread into Waco and Killeen and surrounding areas. another branch- my grandma Carey was born into were the descendants of 3 Hipp Brothers, 1740 ish, who left 70 miles south of Manheim, Germany and settled in the Carolinas with a land grant from the British king , obtained when they lived in England for a few years. I suspect they lived in or near Switzerland or Czechoslovakia- at least place names show that influence. It was illegal to be a Czechslovakian back then, or fly the flag or speak the language in public. All enterred the U.S. as "German" until World War I or earlier. Many of German and Bohemian background came as company employes of Oklahoma or Thurber or Newcastle , Texas coal mines. The coal made bricks and powerred California bound trains. I knew men who spoke Czech in West, McLennan County, Texas in 1960's who had mined coal in Newcastle. They settled among German Lutheran, Baptist, Moravian Brethern, Evangelical, and Catholic Germans of 2 waves of earlier settlement in many Texas counties. , like Rear Admiral Nimntz of Fredricksburg, Texas. I also suspect you may be running into Germans who may show up on the Cherokee rolls as intermarried or who had brotheres or sisters who were. Some Arkansas Hipp families are on the Cherokee rolls. The first Cherokee Nation was across the Mississippi going west in Arkansas, Missouri, and Indian Territory ( Oklahoma). Jesse James's mother was Choctaw. Some claimed land as tribal members and their siblings were not. Once all land was allotted to members, their non Indian kin would show up and buy or homestead land. Many of his associates had Indian blood, including Brushy Bill Roberts, AKA Billy The Kid of Lincoln County, N.M. and Hico, Texas. In Arkansas, the heart of this was the Ozarks centerred around Maysville and Fort Smith. and Eureka Springs and the War Eagle River. It was settled with some Anglo named intermarried by 1840. This did not make the ones forced out of the east on the Trails of Tears very happy to find their best land taken by strangers who looked, lived, and acted like Anglos. Sam Houston's Tennessee childhood friend , John Jolly was in Arkansas when Houston came to Texas in the 1830's . Houston declared the land north and east of Tyler, Texas as Indian reservation when he was President of Texas. . Pres. Lamar said no reservation, but all were welcome, no questions asked. Check the Cherokee and Choctaw rolls in your local library or contact the National Indian Records and library in Fort Worth, Texas. Happy Hunting, Charles Wyly . On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Theresa Richardson <[email protected]> writes: > > >Hi, I am wondering if anyone is familiar with this movement? One of >my >big brickwalls is listed as: > >American citizens from Kentucky petition for land in Ste Genevieve >1797" written in French and English. Across it sideways is "Petition >from inhabitants of Kentucky (cant read) for land in which to settle >? >near Ste Genevieve 1797" > >This is Ste. Genevieve, Mo. My ancestor is Michael Burtcher and he >recieved land with brothers Sebastian, Bartholomew and brother in law >Peter Bloom/Blume. The name is found spelled Burtcher, Burcher, >Butcher, Bucher, Brutcher and Burtscher. > >They are also listed elsewhere as German and stonemason's. Peter >Bloom >is listed on census as being born in MD so I do not know if they were >traveling through KY or stopped for a few years. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Theresa Richardson >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > >==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to >[email protected] if you are subscribed to the >list, >or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the >digest. >In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe >