Hi, correct the size of the Enchanted Rock to 1/4 section of a solid rock . It is called Enchanted because it makes groaning noises at night as the sun's heat leaves the rock and it shrinks. The Indians thought these groaning noises were Spirits of the dead. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Wed, 9 May 2001 07:27:26 -0500 "Coffee" <j.coff@verizon.net> writes: > Jack Coffee Hays was named for General John Coffee of Tennessee. He > is not > related to the Coffee line in any way. > > General John Coffee was may great, great, great grandfather, David > Coffee's > 1st cousin, or in other words, my great, great, great, great, > grandfather > Peter Coffee and General John Coffee's grandfather, Joshua Coffee > were > brothers. General Coffee was a close friend of Andrew Jackson and > savior > of Jackson several times in gun battles, fist fights and at the > Battle of > New Orleans in 1814. President Jackson was not a very smart man. > He died > thinking the world was flat. Colonel Jack Coffee Hay's father > served under > General John Coffee in the Creek Indian war. He admired the General > so much > that he named his son after him. Jack Coffee Hays' parents later > died of > Yellow Fever then John moved to Texas, became a surveyor and later > a Texas > Ranger. Hays County Texas is named for him. John C. Hays was > appointed as > the Indian agent in Yuma, AZ and later moved to the area around > Oakland CA. > then laid out the township of Oakland Calif. A portrait of John C. > Hays > hangs in the Oakland City Hall. He became a wealthy landowner and > died in > California. > > Jerry Coffee > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Re: 'junk' and other things... > > > >Hi, Jerry, guess you know my Coffee ancestor was the mother of Col. > Ben > >Cleveland of Rev. War . Are you on the Coffee - coffey unofficial > >mailing list? Some on here are. > > > >Col. John Coffee Hayes , Texas Rangers, who fought off a band of > Indians > >from the 6740 acre Red granite mountain- Enchanted Rock- near > Marble > >Falls, Texas. > > > >Some say he was named for a Confederate Army officer , Coffee, and > others > >say he was a Coffee descendant. Wonder if both are right if one > followed > >t2 or more lines of Coffees?? > > > >Take care, > >Charles A. wyly > > > >On Tue, 8 May 2001 08:48:57 -0500 "Coffee" <j.coff@verizon.net> > writes: > >> My great grandfather Joshua David Coffee was in the 14th > Brigade > >> of the > >> Orangeville Independent Home Guard in Fannin County Texas. They > >> were known > >> as "heel-flies" by the local people. They had the authority of > >> unlimited > >> search and seizure and were mainly used to round up diserters and > >> draft > >> dodgers from the Confederate Army. They often hung them on the > spot. > >> They > >> were similar to a Confederate "gestapo". After the War of > Southern > >> Indepandence was over, the Federal Authorities considered these > men > >> Confederate guerillas and were to de arrested and possibly hung. > The > >> Home > >> Guard brigade escorted a number of the prisoners to Fort Towson > in > >> the > >> Indian Territory. This abandoned Union Army garrison was being > used > >> by the > >> Confederate Army as a prison camp. > >> > >> In 1865, the Union League was formed in "Five Corners Area" > of > >> Collin, > >> Grayson, Hunt and Fannin Counties and hostilities continued > between > >> that > >> organization and Confederate sympathsizers until 1875. This > area > >> of Texas > >> did not vote to secede from the Union in 1860 but was compelled > to > >> by the > >> Texas Confederate government. My great grandfather migrated to > >> the Texas > >> frontier in Brown County in 1877 to avoid repriations imposed by > the > >> Federals and the contining strife in the Five Corners area. My > >> great > >> grandfather's older brother, Sgt. John James Coffee, maigrated > to > >> McDonald > >> County Missouri, then back to Texas near Lubbock later in the > >> century. > >> > >> My father told me that Joshua hardly spoke of his activities > in > >> the > >> Home Guard, that is probably because he told my father that he > >> never took > >> the oath to The Union after the war was over. In the spring of > 1863, > >> the > >> 14th Brigade of the Home Guard escorted William Clarke Quantrill, > >> Bloody > >> Bill Anderson and their 500 man regiment of irregular light > cavalry > >> out of > >> Texas from their camp on Little Mineral Creek in Grayson County. > >> They were > >> in Texas after they fled Missouri following the Lawrence Kansas > >> Raid and > >> wintered near Holland Coffee's Trading Post on the Red River. > >> General > >> Henry Eustace McCullough was the cammander of the Home Guard > Units > >> in the > >> North Texas District with Headquarters in Bonham, Texas. > According > >> to > >> evidence found after an investigation the Butts' killing, it was > >> determined > >> that some of Quantrill's men robbbed and murdered Sophia > >> Suttonfield-Coffee-Porter-Butts' husband, Colonel Butts, when he > was > >> returning from a cotton sale in Sherman, Texas. General > McCullough > >> after > >> hearing the evidence, sent the Orangeville Independent Home Guard > to > >> arrest > >> the murderers and return them to Sherman for trial. During the > trip > >> to > >> Sherman, the Home Guard received a dispatch from McCullough's > >> Bonham > >> Headquarters to escort the men to the Indian Territory and > release > >> them on > >> the condition that they never come back to Texas. > >> > >> Jerry Coffee > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> > >> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com > <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:09 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Re: 'junk' and other things... > >> > >> > >> >Hi, > >> >there were supporters of the Union in several Confederate > states, > >> such > >> >as the Texas German immigrants (Some of them) , those in > Arkansas, > >> and > >> >Missouri. In Arkansas, some lived in caves to avoid the draft. > Some > >> were > >> >forced to serve in the Partisan Rangers and some in the Union > Army. > >> Jesse > >> > Woodson James and The Quantrills and Youngers were part of the > >> Rebel > >> >Army who fought abuses of the Partisan Rangers and then the > >> Carpetbaggers > >> >passed a new Missouri Constitution which said anyone who had > >> served in > >> >the Confederate Army could not vote, hold office or pastor a > church > >> or > >> >serve as a Deacon. Jesse James's dad was a Baptist Minister. > Jesse > >> did > >> >not smoke, chew, or drink and refused to work with drunks, as > they > >> would > >> >"Get you killed" . Wonder how how the man buried face down in > >> Jesse's > >> >"Grave" in Missouri got badly stained teeth from years of > chewing > >> and > >> >dipping tobacco??? Recent DNA tests only prove if one is > descended > >> from > >> >that corpse without positive proof by DNA of living known > survivors > >> of > >> >Jesse. > >> > > >> > Now I know why so many from Missouri such as my Great Grandad > >> Moxley > >> >and the Flemings, Ogans,Ponsealots, and many more, including > the > >> >families of Gov. Augustus King moved to Stephenville- Erath > County. > >> >Texas. many came by Coverred Wagon. Remember, these people had > all > >> been > >> >pardoned by Abraham Lincoln, but that meant nothing to the > Kansas > >> >Jayhawkers and other Union supporters , who were invited to come > to > >> >Missouri and be part of the Carpetbag rule. . > >> > > >> >The Partisan- (Partizan) Rangers were the Confederate Home Front > >> Guard- > >> >in Texas they were Partizan Rangers. Some tried to protect the > home > >> front > >> > from Roving Indians and Comancheros and did an excellent > job-and > >> tried > >> >to stop the abuse of power - others used it in Texas as an > >> excuse to > >> >kill and plunder German and isolated homes and blame it on > Indians > >> or > >> >"German Outlaw Sympathisers" and hang or shoot captives- see > info > >> on the > >> >Old Comfort, Texas School Ground, for names of Texas German > >> Immigrants > >> >massacred - sometimes called the Battle of Neuces by Anglo > papers- > >> the > >> >monument said "Trueter De Union- True to the Union".They were > >> trying to > >> >get to Mexico like so many Americans went to Canada in Korean & > >> Vietnam > >> >War- religious or Political pacificists. > >> > > >> >Pardon me, you asked about Florida- not sure of a direct answer. > My > >> >Double first Cousin is completing her Ph. D..in history to teach > >> in > >> >Florida Colleges. She has checked out Seminole tales of some > being > >> from > >> >The Great Lakes Indian tribes, neighbors of the Algoniquins, > who > >> were > >> >captured by deciet and sold in the Caribeans as slaves where the > >> Africans > >> >were dying of tropical diseases. Many escaped in or on anything > >> which > >> >would float and came to Florida and Joined the Seminoles. She > has > >> enough > >> >documentation to satisfy some Grad school profs. > >> > > >> >Another cousin is a writer of guides for Florida Schools. > >> > > >> >Oh, yes the Confederate Army paid Black soldiers the same pay as > >> Whites- > >> >all Blacks were in integrated units. The Union Army paid > "Buffalo > >> >Soldiers: 2/3 the pay that a White got and were in segregated > units > >> until > >> >1890's and we did not fully integrate the Army until 1950. I was > in > >> one > >> >of the first Heavy Tank Integrated Units. Could it be that one > of > >> the 2 > >> >Calvary you mentioned was a band of Seminole and Blacks who > >> volunteered > >> >as a unit? There was a unit from New Orleans , all Black, who > >> marched in > >> >rank to join the Confederate Army some officers did not trust > them, > >> so > >> >they went north and joined the Union Army. Either way, it was a > job > >> and a > >> >chance for instant freedom. - a win-win situation. > >> > > >> >Take care, > >> >Charles .a, ?wyly > >> > > >> >On Mon, 7 May 2001 16:56:06 -0400 <breckenridge@alltel.net> > writes: > >> >> It is so sad to see someone consider the wonderful > information > >> we > >> >> have been > >> >> being blessed with on this site 'junk'. It takes a bit of > time > >> for > >> >> everyone > >> >> to get their interests mentioned. Addressing them will come > >> >> eventually, for > >> >> those of us who haven't found answers, as yet. In the > meantime, > >> I > >> >> scan each > >> >> post, save those which may have a tie-in, or which are just so > >> >> entertaining, > >> >> and enjoy the camaraderie. > >> >> Enough 'junk' from me! > >> >> My MORGAN line came from NE to Va>MD>NC>SC>GA(?)>FL. I'm > >> reasonably > >> >> sure > >> >> they were of Quaker faith and am interested in the migration > of > >> >> Quaker > >> >> families, from 1636- 1850. > >> >> Mr. Wylie, with your vast knowledge, do you know anything > about > >> the > >> >> guerrilla bands, or Union Men, who fought against the CSA, in > >> >> Florida, and > >> >> eventually became the 2nd Fl Cavalry, USA? To complicate > things, > >> >> there was > >> >> also a 2nd Fl Cavalry, CSA! > >> >> God bless, Carolyn > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ============================== > >> >> Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > >> >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> >============================== > >> >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to > the > >> #1 > >> >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >> > >>http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >> > > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to > the > >> #1 > >> Source for Family History Online. 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