John Chisum's cattle brand was too easy to change with a running iron so he also notched the cow's ear and called it the "Jingle-bob Ranch". The one piece of the cow's ear flopped and the other piece stood straight up. Chisum said, "it does not jingle but it sure does bob". Jerry Coffee ----Original Message----- From: Coffee <j.coff@verizon.net> To: Coffee <j.coff@verizon.net>; Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail >John Chisum was from Paris, Texas and started his first cattle herd there. >He drove cattle from Paris to Trickham, Texas to intercept the Texas Trail >to Kansas. He later moved his ranching operations to the area 20 miles west >of Trickham, Texas and 10 miles northeast of Paint Rock Texas near the >confluence of the Colorado River and the Concho River. The Loving-Goodnight >Trail, also known as the Western Trail, branched west fron the Texas Trail >at Trickham, Texas and went through Chisum's ranch near Paint Rock and on >to Pecos Crossing and then north through Roswell, New Mexico, Colorado to >Cheyenne Wyoming. He moved again to Roswell New Mexico in the late 1870s. >John Chisum died of cancer December 22, 1886 and was buried on Christmas Day >in the Chisum family plot in Paris, Texas. > >Jerry Coffee > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Coffee <j.coff@verizon.net> >To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:52 AM >Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail > > >> These cattle trails in Texas must have been called various names at >>various times and apparently the State Historical Society does not monitor >>their roadside markers. According to a roadside marker, The Shawnee Trail >>ran north from the Austin, Texas area through Dallas to Coffee's Trading >>Post on the Red River and on through Oklahoma to Dodge City Kansas. There >is >>a roadside marker in Frisco,Texas on Hwy. 289 (Preston Road), just north >of >>SH-121 that indicates the route of the Shawnee Trail. The Chisholm Trail >ran >>through Comanche County according to the roadside marker on Hwy-67 just >west >>of Comanche, Texas. Most historians agree that the Chisholm Trail only ran >>through Oklahoma starting at Doans Crossing. Doan's Crossing is located on >>the Red River north of Vernon, Texas. According to some historians, The >>Texas Trail started in south Texas and ran north through what is now >>Gillispie, Kimball, San Saba, Coleman, Callahan, Shackleford (Ft. >>Griffin), Throckmorton, Baylor Counties and connecting to the so called >>Chisholm Trail at Doans Crossing in Wilbarger County. >> >> In 1870, The Western Trail started at the Texas Trail at Thrickham, >>Texas in Coleman County and went due west through John Chisum's Texas >>ranching operations east of Paint Rock, Texas to San Angelo and on to >>Pecos, Texas. The roadside marker on US-83, north of Paint Rock, Texas >>indicates the ranching area of John Chisum before he moved to New Mexico >>and was involved with Billy The Kid and the Lincoln County War. I don't >>recall how he was involved in the Lincoln County War. Billy The Kid worked >>for him at some point in time. I don't think Chisum was to involved in the >>war. >> >> At Pecos, the Western Trail turned north through New Mexico to >>Colorado. The small community of Trickham, Texas was a supply point for >the >>drovers that were starting to Chisum's ranch on the Western Trail. The town >>got it's name from a store keeper named Cheatham. He watered down his >>whiskey and sold it to the cowboys. He was the first person in the world to >>put flour in cotton sacks rather than in barrels, in order to increase his >>profits of the sale of flour to the drovers and make it easier to carry >>flour on the chuck wagons. Keys Crossing on the Colorado River was the >>westernmost dry weather cattle crossing of the Colorado River in 1870. It >>is located just southeast of Trickham near Indian Creek, Texas. Many >>outlaws and gun fighters hid out in the area around Keys Crossing, waiting >>for the cattle drives to come through. They would join the drovers and >offer >>their guns in the range wars in the counties that the drive would pass >>through to the north. The land along Western Trail was not opened to >farmers >>in the 1870s. >> >>In the 1870s the fence cutting range wars were common between the drovers >>and the farmers as they fenced the land in the counties along the Texas >>Trail. A Texas Ranger captain named Ira Aten joined the cattle drives near >>Keys Crossing as a undercover officer to find out who the gunmen were and >>make arrests later after the gun battles. One of the largest gun battles >was >>northwest of Brownwood, Texas near the Brown-Coleman County line. A >>gun-hand named Harlow was the leader of the drover's gunfighters. He was >>arrested by ranger Ira Aten. >> >>Jerry Coffee >> >> >>-----Original Message-----a.om: Barbara Vaillancourt <Valcourt@dfn.com> >>To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:52 PM >>Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail >> >> >>>Charles, There is a Chisum trail that run or ran through Roswell, New >>>Mexico. The City just put up a big statue of John Chisum. Barbara >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> >>>To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:21 PM >>>Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail >>> >>> >>>> Hi, Jim >>>> >>>> I think the info below is in Southern Trails or Txerath-L archives. >>>> >>>> I have found 4 jesse- John Chisolms- chisums. . One in an older >>>> generation was a John Chisolm, an U.S. Army officer from Tennessee.I >want >>>> to find more on him, but he had a distinguished record. i do not know >the >>>> connections- if any in Anglo or Indian ancestors. >>>> >>>> 1. Jesse or John Chisum of Broken bow, Oklahoma and there is a historic >>>> marker for him near Broken Bow saying he was a farmer- rancher who drove >>>> his and some neighbors cattle across Missouri to Illinois- the Chicago >>>> market and an early railhead- before Refrigeration but not much. This >>>> one is buried in Oklahoma. His mother was Cherokee. >>>> >>>> 2. Jesse Chisolm-- half Choctaw laid out the Chisolm Trail- one source >>>> said from Red River north. Another said from Yukon, Okla. to his Kansas >>>> store. He ox carted freight from Oklahoma City area to his store south >of >>>> Abilene, kansas, centrally located as each new rail head opened. He also >>>> ox carted food and supplies to Indian Reservations to the north and >West. >>>> There is no record of him driving any cows but his milk cow at his >Store. >>>> >>>> >>>> The Texas Trail, sometimes called the Chisolm Trail through Waco was >>>> planned by an enterprising man who was planning the trail at one end and >>>> working with the Railroads to have a certain number of Catle to Abilene, >>>> Kansas by a given date. It should be the McCoy or Texas Trail. Texas >>>> Trail was on older maps- but I think evidence points to two trails >>>> through Waco- one from South Texas to the Oklahoma Chisolm Freight trail >>>> and one from East Texas across the low water crossing at Rock Creek >near >>>> Gholson, then west to the Concho Valleythrough Bosque or Erath County >>>> with stocker cattle driven by #3 to dip and fatten before hitting the >>>> Goodnight - Loving Trail to Colorado and Wyoming pastures, Indians and >>>> Army posts. >>>> >>>> #3- John Chisum half Indian of Denton County and later the Concho >>>> Valleypast San Angelo. Now, this man is NOT the same man as the John or >>>> jesse Chisum of Broken Bow, Oklahoma, >>>> This man drove cattle from Denton County up the Oklahoma Chisolm Trail, >>>> confusing a lot of cowboys and secondary source writers . He also drove >>>> them across the High Plains to the Rio Grande then north during a wet >>>> spring or down the Goodnight- Loving Trail to Pecos then across to the >>>> Rio Grand and up to Colorado. These routes would allow cattle to fatten >>>> on the way, compared to East Texas piney woods. >>>> >>>> Some in Keller- Southlake- Saginaw area say an Indian or mixed woman >>>> cooked for this Chisum's chuck wagon and he left her and 2 sons Denton- >>>> Tarrant county acerage. They ran stores there until they died. Other >>>> reports say one branch of Goodnight- Loving Trail from Parker- Tarrant >>>> County down the Goodnight- Loving Trail. When the train came to Colorado >>>> City, trail drives ended there- Upper end of the Concho valley. .I >talked >>>> to an 80 year old man in Meridian, Texas about 20 years ago who said he >>>> drove cattle with John Chisum of San Angel as a teenager. Does that >>>> time fit? Some of this trail crossed Erath County at one timefrom >>>> Weatherford,,Texas. and it makes sense they would have driven East >Texas >>>> cattle from Waco across Bosque County through Cranfils Gap to Lampassas. >>>> then Concho pastures, depending on rain and new fences. >>>> >>>> Would have driven cattle from Waco up the rough country to Ranger- >Strawn >>>> area, or would have driven them on thw west side of the Brazos and cut >>>> across Erath County up to the Brazos via the Bosque River- the latter is >>>> several miles shorter and easier travelling. Kuykendall land and Cattle >>>> of Clifton drove cattle on these trails and later used Diesels to carry >>>> East Texas cattle to Wyoming summer pastures , especially during a dry >>>> year in Central Texas. >>>> >>>> #3 was the one that Lonesome Dove Movie was copied after, not the Jesse >>>> Chisolm or the one from Broken Bow. Both #1 and #3 did work the Red >River >>>> Valley drives at about the same time. Try telling all this to a Waco >>>> Chamber of Commerce worker- I did and don't confuse them with truth. >>>> >>>> Take care, Charles A. Wyly >>>> >>>> J. Frank Dobie and Walter Prescott Webb list all the above Chisums- >>>> Chisolms. Some books in Waco school libraries combine legends from >>>> secondary sources into 2- sometimes 1 man. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:41:21 -0500 Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> writes: >>>> > My Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson Davis, passed along many tales >>>> > of >>>> > his days herding cattle north out of Texas on the old Chisum Trail. >>>> > "Jack" and his brother, George Washington Davis, were first rate >>>> > working >>>> > cowboys who made many trips driving cows up the Chisum to markets >>>> > further north. They lived in Navarro Co, Texas and later George >>>> > moved >>>> > with his family to the area around Tolar, Texas. There were many >>>> > obstacles to face along the trail in those days, including Indians. >>>> > Jack >>>> > Davis said that one night, while camped out in Indian territory, he >>>> > "rubbed chewing tobacco in his eyes" so he would not fall asleep >>>> > while >>>> > guarding the cattle. Another time he found a man hanging from a >>>> > tree. He >>>> > rode into the nearest town and went into the saloon to ask for the >>>> > sheriff, to report that "there is a man hanging outside town". Three >>>> > men >>>> > inside slowly turned and stared at him but said nothing. Jack >>>> > immediately figured that the hanging was none of his business and >>>> > slowly >>>> > backed out the door, got on his horse, and rode back to the safety >>>> > of >>>> > his friends at their camp. >>>> > He was also the "veterinarian" who was called on by any neighbors >>>> > who >>>> > had animals in need of medical attention. 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