John Wesley Hardin was also a school teacher in the Pisga Ridge area of Navarro Co, Texas immediately after the Civil War. He was involved in the Polk-Bowman fued that was taking place in the southwestern part of the county from Pisga Ridge to the Spring Hill area close to Dawson. Many Pisga Ridge settlers, including many of my Gleghorn family, migrated on to Gonzales, Texas about this time. Jim ------------------------------------ > The 1870 - 1880 cattle drives on the Western and Texas Trails were full of > gunfighters and lawlessness was common. The earlier cattle drives to the > east were before the Civil War and did not have the gunfighters that came > from the from the aftermath of the Civil War. According to his biography, > the notorious gunfighter John Wesley Hardin joined a cattle drive in > Gonzales, Texas and went to Dodge City Kansas along the Western Trail. The > Indians in Oklahoma would charge a "cattle-toll" to the cattlemen in order > to let them cross their lands. John Wesley Hardin killed his share of > "Injuns" that were trying to charge a "unauthorized" cattle toll. He later > backed down Wild Bill Hickok in Dodge City when Wild Bill told him to turn > in his guns. I do not agree with some historians that called Hardin a > pathological killer. John Wesley Hardin was a merely product of the times > after the Civil War. Lawlessness and feuds were rampant in Texas after the > conflict. Amazingly, I can still detect some animosity to this day when I > talk to people in the areas involved in the feuds. > > Hardin and his brother were involved in illegal cattle operations in Brown > and Comanche Counties after John Wesley's trip to Kansas. Hardin's family > and some of his cousins moved to Comanche, Texas in 1873. His brother and > his cousins are buried there. Deputy Sheriff Charley Webb was killed by > J.W. Hardin in a gunbattle in Comanche in 1874 and is buried in Green Leaf > Cemetery in Brownwood Texas. Hardin eventually served 15 years of a 25 year > sentence in the Texas State Prison in Huntsville for the killing of Webb. > The gunfight between Webb and Hardin was to really to settle a old score > arising from the Sutton-Taylor Feud in Gonzales, Texas. Deputy Sheriff Webb > was from Brown County and had no authority in Comanche County. > > Jerry Coffee

Hi, according to your info, the shawnee Trail could have been near Waco. I suspect there were 2 or more trails, but some misinformed journalist said the Roebling suspension bridge in Waco was finished in tome for cattle to cross on the Chisolm Trail. Why would they cross unless they planned to go up the Bosque and East Bosque , past Chalk Mountain and up the Paluxy then to Mineral Wells or due west. - the Stevens Ox Cart route, and possibly used by Rocky Martin after the Chidester Stage Fort Worth to Yuma, Arizona stopped running. These Freighters loaded at Elm Mott or Ross Railroad freight depot. Also, some drove calm cattle across the suspension bridge a few years ago They were not happy campers at first- did you ever try to cross a high wood bottom bridge with a horse or a cow, with holes between the planks a pencil fell through? I don.t think they did , unless they had a "Judas Goat" type steer. Col. Charles Goodnight used a boss lead steer on 5 or 6 cattle drives to the newest Kansas Depot at the time and drove him back to the Yellowhouse Canyon, and retired him there. When the rail were extended to Colorado City and the town east of it , Goodnight nd others on High plains started driving south not north , across the High plains, still unfenced Also, why did Indians leave Goodnight Cattle alone? Could it have been that when he saw Quannah Parker and men dressing one of his steers in the Palo Duro Canyon. He stopped and to Quannah Parker guns,&told him he knew his mother Cynthia Ann Parker and he knew the buffalo were gone, so eat his steers but don't waste any? It this tale is true, do you suppose that Quannah Parker's band passed the word that they would protect Goodnight Cattle from unreasonable slaughter from other Tribes. ? hey, why we just stop and write our own books? Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 21 May 2001 07:52:45 -0500 "Coffee" <j.coff@verizon.net> writes: > These cattle trails in Texas must have been called various names > at > various times and apparently the State Historical Society does not > monitor > their roadside markers. According to a roadside marker, The > Shawnee Trail > ran north from the Austin, Texas area through Dallas to Coffee's > Trading > Post on the Red River and on through Oklahoma to Dodge City Kansas. > There is > a roadside marker in Frisco,Texas on Hwy. 289 (Preston Road), just > north of > SH-121 that indicates the route of the Shawnee Trail. The Chisholm > Trail ran > through Comanche County according to the roadside marker on Hwy-67 > just west > of Comanche, Texas. Most historians agree that the Chisholm Trail > only ran > through Oklahoma starting at Doans Crossing. Doan's Crossing is > located on > the Red River north of Vernon, Texas. According to some historians, > The > Texas Trail started in south Texas and ran north through what is > now > Gillispie, Kimball, San Saba, Coleman, Callahan, Shackleford (Ft. > Griffin), Throckmorton, Baylor Counties and connecting to the so > called > Chisholm Trail at Doans Crossing in Wilbarger County. > > In 1870, The Western Trail started at the Texas Trail at > Thrickham, > Texas in Coleman County and went due west through John Chisum's > Texas > ranching operations east of Paint Rock, Texas to San Angelo and > on to > Pecos, Texas. The roadside marker on US-83, north of Paint Rock, > Texas > indicates the ranching area of John Chisum before he moved to New > Mexico > and was involved with Billy The Kid and the Lincoln County War. I > don't > recall how he was involved in the Lincoln County War. Billy The Kid > worked > for him at some point in time. I don't think Chisum was to involved > in the > war. > > At Pecos, the Western Trail turned north through New Mexico to > Colorado. The small community of Trickham, Texas was a supply point > for the > drovers that were starting to Chisum's ranch on the Western Trail. > The town > got it's name from a store keeper named Cheatham. He watered down > his > whiskey and sold it to the cowboys. He was the first person in the > world to > put flour in cotton sacks rather than in barrels, in order to > increase his > profits of the sale of flour to the drovers and make it easier to > carry > flour on the chuck wagons. Keys Crossing on the Colorado River was > the > westernmost dry weather cattle crossing of the Colorado River in > 1870. It > is located just southeast of Trickham near Indian Creek, Texas. > Many > outlaws and gun fighters hid out in the area around Keys Crossing, > waiting > for the cattle drives to come through. They would join the drovers > and offer > their guns in the range wars in the counties that the drive would > pass > through to the north. The land along Western Trail was not opened to > farmers > in the 1870s. > > In the 1870s the fence cutting range wars were common between the > drovers > and the farmers as they fenced the land in the counties along the > Texas > Trail. A Texas Ranger captain named Ira Aten joined the cattle > drives near > Keys Crossing as a undercover officer to find out who the gunmen > were and > make arrests later after the gun battles. One of the largest gun > battles was > northwest of Brownwood, Texas near the Brown-Coleman County line. A > gun-hand named Harlow was the leader of the drover's gunfighters. He > was > arrested by ranger Ira Aten. > > Jerry Coffee > > > -----Original Message-----a.om: Barbara Vaillancourt > <Valcourt@dfn.com> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:52 PM > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail > > > >Charles, There is a Chisum trail that run or ran through Roswell, > New > >Mexico. The City just put up a big statue of John Chisum. Barbara > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> > >To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:21 PM > >Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail > > > > > >> Hi, Jim > >> > >> I think the info below is in Southern Trails or Txerath-L > archives. > >> > >> I have found 4 jesse- John Chisolms- chisums. . One in an older > >> generation was a John Chisolm, an U.S. Army officer from > Tennessee.I want > >> to find more on him, but he had a distinguished record. i do not > know the > >> connections- if any in Anglo or Indian ancestors. > >> > >> 1. Jesse or John Chisum of Broken bow, Oklahoma and there is a > historic > >> marker for him near Broken Bow saying he was a farmer- rancher > who drove > >> his and some neighbors cattle across Missouri to Illinois- the > Chicago > >> market and an early railhead- before Refrigeration but not much. > This > >> one is buried in Oklahoma. His mother was Cherokee. > >> > >> 2. Jesse Chisolm-- half Choctaw laid out the Chisolm Trail- one > source > >> said from Red River north. Another said from Yukon, Okla. to his > Kansas > >> store. He ox carted freight from Oklahoma City area to his store > south of > >> Abilene, kansas, centrally located as each new rail head opened. > He also > >> ox carted food and supplies to Indian Reservations to the north > and West. > >> There is no record of him driving any cows but his milk cow at > his Store. > >> > >> > >> The Texas Trail, sometimes called the Chisolm Trail through Waco > was > >> planned by an enterprising man who was planning the trail at one > end and > >> working with the Railroads to have a certain number of Catle to > Abilene, > >> Kansas by a given date. It should be the McCoy or Texas Trail. > Texas > >> Trail was on older maps- but I think evidence points to two > trails > >> through Waco- one from South Texas to the Oklahoma Chisolm > Freight trail > >> and one from East Texas across the low water crossing at Rock > Creek near > >> Gholson, then west to the Concho Valleythrough Bosque or Erath > County > >> with stocker cattle driven by #3 to dip and fatten before > hitting the > >> Goodnight - Loving Trail to Colorado and Wyoming pastures, > Indians and > >> Army posts. > >> > >> #3- John Chisum half Indian of Denton County and later the Concho > >> Valleypast San Angelo. Now, this man is NOT the same man as the > John or > >> jesse Chisum of Broken Bow, Oklahoma, > >> This man drove cattle from Denton County up the Oklahoma Chisolm > Trail, > >> confusing a lot of cowboys and secondary source writers . He also > drove > >> them across the High Plains to the Rio Grande then north during a > wet > >> spring or down the Goodnight- Loving Trail to Pecos then across > to the > >> Rio Grand and up to Colorado. These routes would allow cattle to > fatten > >> on the way, compared to East Texas piney woods. > >> > >> Some in Keller- Southlake- Saginaw area say an Indian or mixed > woman > >> cooked for this Chisum's chuck wagon and he left her and 2 sons > Denton- > >> Tarrant county acerage. They ran stores there until they died. > Other > >> reports say one branch of Goodnight- Loving Trail from Parker- > Tarrant > >> County down the Goodnight- Loving Trail. When the train came to > Colorado > >> City, trail drives ended there- Upper end of the Concho valley. > .I talked > >> to an 80 year old man in Meridian, Texas about 20 years ago who > said he > >> drove cattle with John Chisum of San Angel as a teenager. Does > that > >> time fit? Some of this trail crossed Erath County at one timefrom > >> Weatherford,,Texas. and it makes sense they would have driven > East Texas > >> cattle from Waco across Bosque County through Cranfils Gap to > Lampassas. > >> then Concho pastures, depending on rain and new fences. > >> > >> Would have driven cattle from Waco up the rough country to > Ranger- Strawn > >> area, or would have driven them on thw west side of the Brazos > and cut > >> across Erath County up to the Brazos via the Bosque River- the > latter is > >> several miles shorter and easier travelling. Kuykendall land and > Cattle > >> of Clifton drove cattle on these trails and later used Diesels to > carry > >> East Texas cattle to Wyoming summer pastures , especially during > a dry > >> year in Central Texas. > >> > >> #3 was the one that Lonesome Dove Movie was copied after, not the > Jesse > >> Chisolm or the one from Broken Bow. Both #1 and #3 did work the > Red River > >> Valley drives at about the same time. Try telling all this to a > Waco > >> Chamber of Commerce worker- I did and don't confuse them with > truth. > >> > >> Take care, Charles A. Wyly > >> > >> J. Frank Dobie and Walter Prescott Webb list all the above > Chisums- > >> Chisolms. Some books in Waco school libraries combine legends > from > >> secondary sources into 2- sometimes 1 man. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:41:21 -0500 Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> > writes: > >> > My Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson Davis, passed along many > tales > >> > of > >> > his days herding cattle north out of Texas on the old Chisum > Trail. > >> > "Jack" and his brother, George Washington Davis, were first > rate > >> > working > >> > cowboys who made many trips driving cows up the Chisum to > markets > >> > further north. They lived in Navarro Co, Texas and later George > >> > moved > >> > with his family to the area around Tolar, Texas. There were > many > >> > obstacles to face along the trail in those days, including > Indians. > >> > Jack > >> > Davis said that one night, while camped out in Indian > territory, he > >> > "rubbed chewing tobacco in his eyes" so he would not fall > asleep > >> > while > >> > guarding the cattle. Another time he found a man hanging from a > >> > tree. He > >> > rode into the nearest town and went into the saloon to ask for > the > >> > sheriff, to report that "there is a man hanging outside town". > Three > >> > men > >> > inside slowly turned and stared at him but said nothing. Jack > >> > immediately figured that the hanging was none of his business > and > >> > slowly > >> > backed out the door, got on his horse, and rode back to the > safety > >> > of > >> > his friends at their camp. > >> > He was also the "veterinarian" who was called on by any > neighbors > >> > who > >> > had animals in need of medical attention. If a cow was > "bloated" > >> > from > >> > eating too much clover, Jack knew just where to insert the > knife to > >> > "let > >> > the air out". > >> > When he got old he continued to wear his white hat and white > >> > handlebar mustache. > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to > the > >> > #1 > >> > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >> > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >> > > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to > the #1 > >> Source for Family History Online. 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The 1870 - 1880 cattle drives on the Western and Texas Trails were full of gunfighters and lawlessness was common. The earlier cattle drives to the east were before the Civil War and did not have the gunfighters that came from the from the aftermath of the Civil War. According to his biography, the notorious gunfighter John Wesley Hardin joined a cattle drive in Gonzales, Texas and went to Dodge City Kansas along the Western Trail. The Indians in Oklahoma would charge a "cattle-toll" to the cattlemen in order to let them cross their lands. John Wesley Hardin killed his share of "Injuns" that were trying to charge a "unauthorized" cattle toll. He later backed down Wild Bill Hickok in Dodge City when Wild Bill told him to turn in his guns. I do not agree with some historians that called Hardin a pathological killer. John Wesley Hardin was a merely product of the times after the Civil War. Lawlessness and feuds were rampant in Texas after the conflict. Amazingly, I can still detect some animosity to this day when I talk to people in the areas involved in the feuds. Hardin and his brother were involved in illegal cattle operations in Brown and Comanche Counties after John Wesley's trip to Kansas. Hardin's family and some of his cousins moved to Comanche, Texas in 1873. His brother and his cousins are buried there. Deputy Sheriff Charley Webb was killed by J.W. Hardin in a gunbattle in Comanche in 1874 and is buried in Green Leaf Cemetery in Brownwood Texas. Hardin eventually served 15 years of a 25 year sentence in the Texas State Prison in Huntsville for the killing of Webb. The gunfight between Webb and Hardin was to really to settle a old score arising from the Sutton-Taylor Feud in Gonzales, Texas. Deputy Sheriff Webb was from Brown County and had no authority in Comanche County. Jerry Coffee -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Vaillancourt <Valcourt@dfn.com> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail >Charles, There is a Chisum trail that run or ran through Roswell, New >Mexico. The City just put up a big statue of John Chisum. Barbara >----- Original Message ----- >From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> >To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:21 PM >Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail > > >> Hi, Jim >> >> I think the info below is in Southern Trails or Txerath-L archives. >> >> I have found 4 jesse- John Chisolms- chisums. . One in an older >> generation was a John Chisolm, an U.S. Army officer from Tennessee.I want >> to find more on him, but he had a distinguished record. i do not know the >> connections- if any in Anglo or Indian ancestors. >> >> 1. Jesse or John Chisum of Broken bow, Oklahoma and there is a historic >> marker for him near Broken Bow saying he was a farmer- rancher who drove >> his and some neighbors cattle across Missouri to Illinois- the Chicago >> market and an early railhead- before Refrigeration but not much. This >> one is buried in Oklahoma. His mother was Cherokee. >> >> 2. Jesse Chisolm-- half Choctaw laid out the Chisolm Trail- one source >> said from Red River north. Another said from Yukon, Okla. to his Kansas >> store. He ox carted freight from Oklahoma City area to his store south of >> Abilene, kansas, centrally located as each new rail head opened. He also >> ox carted food and supplies to Indian Reservations to the north and West. >> There is no record of him driving any cows but his milk cow at his Store. >> >> >> The Texas Trail, sometimes called the Chisolm Trail through Waco was >> planned by an enterprising man who was planning the trail at one end and >> working with the Railroads to have a certain number of Catle to Abilene, >> Kansas by a given date. It should be the McCoy or Texas Trail. Texas >> Trail was on older maps- but I think evidence points to two trails >> through Waco- one from South Texas to the Oklahoma Chisolm Freight trail >> and one from East Texas across the low water crossing at Rock Creek near >> Gholson, then west to the Concho Valleythrough Bosque or Erath County >> with stocker cattle driven by #3 to dip and fatten before hitting the >> Goodnight - Loving Trail to Colorado and Wyoming pastures, Indians and >> Army posts. >> >> #3- John Chisum half Indian of Denton County and later the Concho >> Valleypast San Angelo. Now, this man is NOT the same man as the John or >> jesse Chisum of Broken Bow, Oklahoma, >> This man drove cattle from Denton County up the Oklahoma Chisolm Trail, >> confusing a lot of cowboys and secondary source writers . He also drove >> them across the High Plains to the Rio Grande then north during a wet >> spring or down the Goodnight- Loving Trail to Pecos then across to the >> Rio Grand and up to Colorado. These routes would allow cattle to fatten >> on the way, compared to East Texas piney woods. >> >> Some in Keller- Southlake- Saginaw area say an Indian or mixed woman >> cooked for this Chisum's chuck wagon and he left her and 2 sons Denton- >> Tarrant county acerage. They ran stores there until they died. Other >> reports say one branch of Goodnight- Loving Trail from Parker- Tarrant >> County down the Goodnight- Loving Trail. When the train came to Colorado >> City, trail drives ended there- Upper end of the Concho valley. .I talked >> to an 80 year old man in Meridian, Texas about 20 years ago who said he >> drove cattle with John Chisum of San Angel as a teenager. Does that >> time fit? Some of this trail crossed Erath County at one timefrom >> Weatherford,,Texas. and it makes sense they would have driven East Texas >> cattle from Waco across Bosque County through Cranfils Gap to Lampassas. >> then Concho pastures, depending on rain and new fences. >> >> Would have driven cattle from Waco up the rough country to Ranger- Strawn >> area, or would have driven them on thw west side of the Brazos and cut >> across Erath County up to the Brazos via the Bosque River- the latter is >> several miles shorter and easier travelling. Kuykendall land and Cattle >> of Clifton drove cattle on these trails and later used Diesels to carry >> East Texas cattle to Wyoming summer pastures , especially during a dry >> year in Central Texas. >> >> #3 was the one that Lonesome Dove Movie was copied after, not the Jesse >> Chisolm or the one from Broken Bow. Both #1 and #3 did work the Red River >> Valley drives at about the same time. Try telling all this to a Waco >> Chamber of Commerce worker- I did and don't confuse them with truth. >> >> Take care, Charles A. Wyly >> >> J. Frank Dobie and Walter Prescott Webb list all the above Chisums- >> Chisolms. Some books in Waco school libraries combine legends from >> secondary sources into 2- sometimes 1 man. >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:41:21 -0500 Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> writes: >> > My Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson Davis, passed along many tales >> > of >> > his days herding cattle north out of Texas on the old Chisum Trail. >> > "Jack" and his brother, George Washington Davis, were first rate >> > working >> > cowboys who made many trips driving cows up the Chisum to markets >> > further north. They lived in Navarro Co, Texas and later George >> > moved >> > with his family to the area around Tolar, Texas. There were many >> > obstacles to face along the trail in those days, including Indians. >> > Jack >> > Davis said that one night, while camped out in Indian territory, he >> > "rubbed chewing tobacco in his eyes" so he would not fall asleep >> > while >> > guarding the cattle. Another time he found a man hanging from a >> > tree. He >> > rode into the nearest town and went into the saloon to ask for the >> > sheriff, to report that "there is a man hanging outside town". Three >> > men >> > inside slowly turned and stared at him but said nothing. Jack >> > immediately figured that the hanging was none of his business and >> > slowly >> > backed out the door, got on his horse, and rode back to the safety >> > of >> > his friends at their camp. >> > He was also the "veterinarian" who was called on by any neighbors >> > who >> > had animals in need of medical attention. If a cow was "bloated" >> > from >> > eating too much clover, Jack knew just where to insert the knife to >> > "let >> > the air out". >> > When he got old he continued to wear his white hat and white >> > handlebar mustache. >> > Jim >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the >> > #1 >> > Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> > >> >> >> ============================== >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> >> > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

These cattle trails in Texas must have been called various names at various times and apparently the State Historical Society does not monitor their roadside markers. According to a roadside marker, The Shawnee Trail ran north from the Austin, Texas area through Dallas to Coffee's Trading Post on the Red River and on through Oklahoma to Dodge City Kansas. There is a roadside marker in Frisco,Texas on Hwy. 289 (Preston Road), just north of SH-121 that indicates the route of the Shawnee Trail. The Chisholm Trail ran through Comanche County according to the roadside marker on Hwy-67 just west of Comanche, Texas. Most historians agree that the Chisholm Trail only ran through Oklahoma starting at Doans Crossing. Doan's Crossing is located on the Red River north of Vernon, Texas. According to some historians, The Texas Trail started in south Texas and ran north through what is now Gillispie, Kimball, San Saba, Coleman, Callahan, Shackleford (Ft. Griffin), Throckmorton, Baylor Counties and connecting to the so called Chisholm Trail at Doans Crossing in Wilbarger County. In 1870, The Western Trail started at the Texas Trail at Thrickham, Texas in Coleman County and went due west through John Chisum's Texas ranching operations east of Paint Rock, Texas to San Angelo and on to Pecos, Texas. The roadside marker on US-83, north of Paint Rock, Texas indicates the ranching area of John Chisum before he moved to New Mexico and was involved with Billy The Kid and the Lincoln County War. I don't recall how he was involved in the Lincoln County War. Billy The Kid worked for him at some point in time. I don't think Chisum was to involved in the war. At Pecos, the Western Trail turned north through New Mexico to Colorado. The small community of Trickham, Texas was a supply point for the drovers that were starting to Chisum's ranch on the Western Trail. The town got it's name from a store keeper named Cheatham. He watered down his whiskey and sold it to the cowboys. He was the first person in the world to put flour in cotton sacks rather than in barrels, in order to increase his profits of the sale of flour to the drovers and make it easier to carry flour on the chuck wagons. Keys Crossing on the Colorado River was the westernmost dry weather cattle crossing of the Colorado River in 1870. It is located just southeast of Trickham near Indian Creek, Texas. Many outlaws and gun fighters hid out in the area around Keys Crossing, waiting for the cattle drives to come through. They would join the drovers and offer their guns in the range wars in the counties that the drive would pass through to the north. The land along Western Trail was not opened to farmers in the 1870s. In the 1870s the fence cutting range wars were common between the drovers and the farmers as they fenced the land in the counties along the Texas Trail. A Texas Ranger captain named Ira Aten joined the cattle drives near Keys Crossing as a undercover officer to find out who the gunmen were and make arrests later after the gun battles. One of the largest gun battles was northwest of Brownwood, Texas near the Brown-Coleman County line. A gun-hand named Harlow was the leader of the drover's gunfighters. He was arrested by ranger Ira Aten. Jerry Coffee -----Original Message-----a.om: Barbara Vaillancourt <Valcourt@dfn.com> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail >Charles, There is a Chisum trail that run or ran through Roswell, New >Mexico. The City just put up a big statue of John Chisum. Barbara >----- Original Message ----- >From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> >To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:21 PM >Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail > > >> Hi, Jim >> >> I think the info below is in Southern Trails or Txerath-L archives. >> >> I have found 4 jesse- John Chisolms- chisums. . One in an older >> generation was a John Chisolm, an U.S. Army officer from Tennessee.I want >> to find more on him, but he had a distinguished record. i do not know the >> connections- if any in Anglo or Indian ancestors. >> >> 1. Jesse or John Chisum of Broken bow, Oklahoma and there is a historic >> marker for him near Broken Bow saying he was a farmer- rancher who drove >> his and some neighbors cattle across Missouri to Illinois- the Chicago >> market and an early railhead- before Refrigeration but not much. This >> one is buried in Oklahoma. His mother was Cherokee. >> >> 2. Jesse Chisolm-- half Choctaw laid out the Chisolm Trail- one source >> said from Red River north. Another said from Yukon, Okla. to his Kansas >> store. He ox carted freight from Oklahoma City area to his store south of >> Abilene, kansas, centrally located as each new rail head opened. He also >> ox carted food and supplies to Indian Reservations to the north and West. >> There is no record of him driving any cows but his milk cow at his Store. >> >> >> The Texas Trail, sometimes called the Chisolm Trail through Waco was >> planned by an enterprising man who was planning the trail at one end and >> working with the Railroads to have a certain number of Catle to Abilene, >> Kansas by a given date. It should be the McCoy or Texas Trail. Texas >> Trail was on older maps- but I think evidence points to two trails >> through Waco- one from South Texas to the Oklahoma Chisolm Freight trail >> and one from East Texas across the low water crossing at Rock Creek near >> Gholson, then west to the Concho Valleythrough Bosque or Erath County >> with stocker cattle driven by #3 to dip and fatten before hitting the >> Goodnight - Loving Trail to Colorado and Wyoming pastures, Indians and >> Army posts. >> >> #3- John Chisum half Indian of Denton County and later the Concho >> Valleypast San Angelo. Now, this man is NOT the same man as the John or >> jesse Chisum of Broken Bow, Oklahoma, >> This man drove cattle from Denton County up the Oklahoma Chisolm Trail, >> confusing a lot of cowboys and secondary source writers . He also drove >> them across the High Plains to the Rio Grande then north during a wet >> spring or down the Goodnight- Loving Trail to Pecos then across to the >> Rio Grand and up to Colorado. These routes would allow cattle to fatten >> on the way, compared to East Texas piney woods. >> >> Some in Keller- Southlake- Saginaw area say an Indian or mixed woman >> cooked for this Chisum's chuck wagon and he left her and 2 sons Denton- >> Tarrant county acerage. They ran stores there until they died. Other >> reports say one branch of Goodnight- Loving Trail from Parker- Tarrant >> County down the Goodnight- Loving Trail. When the train came to Colorado >> City, trail drives ended there- Upper end of the Concho valley. .I talked >> to an 80 year old man in Meridian, Texas about 20 years ago who said he >> drove cattle with John Chisum of San Angel as a teenager. Does that >> time fit? Some of this trail crossed Erath County at one timefrom >> Weatherford,,Texas. and it makes sense they would have driven East Texas >> cattle from Waco across Bosque County through Cranfils Gap to Lampassas. >> then Concho pastures, depending on rain and new fences. >> >> Would have driven cattle from Waco up the rough country to Ranger- Strawn >> area, or would have driven them on thw west side of the Brazos and cut >> across Erath County up to the Brazos via the Bosque River- the latter is >> several miles shorter and easier travelling. Kuykendall land and Cattle >> of Clifton drove cattle on these trails and later used Diesels to carry >> East Texas cattle to Wyoming summer pastures , especially during a dry >> year in Central Texas. >> >> #3 was the one that Lonesome Dove Movie was copied after, not the Jesse >> Chisolm or the one from Broken Bow. Both #1 and #3 did work the Red River >> Valley drives at about the same time. Try telling all this to a Waco >> Chamber of Commerce worker- I did and don't confuse them with truth. >> >> Take care, Charles A. Wyly >> >> J. Frank Dobie and Walter Prescott Webb list all the above Chisums- >> Chisolms. Some books in Waco school libraries combine legends from >> secondary sources into 2- sometimes 1 man. >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:41:21 -0500 Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> writes: >> > My Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson Davis, passed along many tales >> > of >> > his days herding cattle north out of Texas on the old Chisum Trail. >> > "Jack" and his brother, George Washington Davis, were first rate >> > working >> > cowboys who made many trips driving cows up the Chisum to markets >> > further north. They lived in Navarro Co, Texas and later George >> > moved >> > with his family to the area around Tolar, Texas. There were many >> > obstacles to face along the trail in those days, including Indians. >> > Jack >> > Davis said that one night, while camped out in Indian territory, he >> > "rubbed chewing tobacco in his eyes" so he would not fall asleep >> > while >> > guarding the cattle. Another time he found a man hanging from a >> > tree. He >> > rode into the nearest town and went into the saloon to ask for the >> > sheriff, to report that "there is a man hanging outside town". Three >> > men >> > inside slowly turned and stared at him but said nothing. Jack >> > immediately figured that the hanging was none of his business and >> > slowly >> > backed out the door, got on his horse, and rode back to the safety >> > of >> > his friends at their camp. >> > He was also the "veterinarian" who was called on by any neighbors >> > who >> > had animals in need of medical attention. If a cow was "bloated" >> > from >> > eating too much clover, Jack knew just where to insert the knife to >> > "let >> > the air out". >> > When he got old he continued to wear his white hat and white >> > handlebar mustache. >> > Jim >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the >> > #1 >> > Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> > >> >> >> ============================== >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> >> > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Hi, Jim I think the info below is in Southern Trails or Txerath-L archives. I have found 4 jesse- John Chisolms- chisums. . One in an older generation was a John Chisolm, an U.S. Army officer from Tennessee.I want to find more on him, but he had a distinguished record. i do not know the connections- if any in Anglo or Indian ancestors. 1. Jesse or John Chisum of Broken bow, Oklahoma and there is a historic marker for him near Broken Bow saying he was a farmer- rancher who drove his and some neighbors cattle across Missouri to Illinois- the Chicago market and an early railhead- before Refrigeration but not much. This one is buried in Oklahoma. His mother was Cherokee. 2. Jesse Chisolm-- half Choctaw laid out the Chisolm Trail- one source said from Red River north. Another said from Yukon, Okla. to his Kansas store. He ox carted freight from Oklahoma City area to his store south of Abilene, kansas, centrally located as each new rail head opened. He also ox carted food and supplies to Indian Reservations to the north and West. There is no record of him driving any cows but his milk cow at his Store. The Texas Trail, sometimes called the Chisolm Trail through Waco was planned by an enterprising man who was planning the trail at one end and working with the Railroads to have a certain number of Catle to Abilene, Kansas by a given date. It should be the McCoy or Texas Trail. Texas Trail was on older maps- but I think evidence points to two trails through Waco- one from South Texas to the Oklahoma Chisolm Freight trail and one from East Texas across the low water crossing at Rock Creek near Gholson, then west to the Concho Valleythrough Bosque or Erath County with stocker cattle driven by #3 to dip and fatten before hitting the Goodnight - Loving Trail to Colorado and Wyoming pastures, Indians and Army posts. #3- John Chisum half Indian of Denton County and later the Concho Valleypast San Angelo. Now, this man is NOT the same man as the John or jesse Chisum of Broken Bow, Oklahoma, This man drove cattle from Denton County up the Oklahoma Chisolm Trail, confusing a lot of cowboys and secondary source writers . He also drove them across the High Plains to the Rio Grande then north during a wet spring or down the Goodnight- Loving Trail to Pecos then across to the Rio Grand and up to Colorado. These routes would allow cattle to fatten on the way, compared to East Texas piney woods. Some in Keller- Southlake- Saginaw area say an Indian or mixed woman cooked for this Chisum's chuck wagon and he left her and 2 sons Denton- Tarrant county acerage. They ran stores there until they died. Other reports say one branch of Goodnight- Loving Trail from Parker- Tarrant County down the Goodnight- Loving Trail. When the train came to Colorado City, trail drives ended there- Upper end of the Concho valley. .I talked to an 80 year old man in Meridian, Texas about 20 years ago who said he drove cattle with John Chisum of San Angel as a teenager. Does that time fit? Some of this trail crossed Erath County at one timefrom Weatherford,,Texas. and it makes sense they would have driven East Texas cattle from Waco across Bosque County through Cranfils Gap to Lampassas. then Concho pastures, depending on rain and new fences. Would have driven cattle from Waco up the rough country to Ranger- Strawn area, or would have driven them on thw west side of the Brazos and cut across Erath County up to the Brazos via the Bosque River- the latter is several miles shorter and easier travelling. Kuykendall land and Cattle of Clifton drove cattle on these trails and later used Diesels to carry East Texas cattle to Wyoming summer pastures , especially during a dry year in Central Texas. #3 was the one that Lonesome Dove Movie was copied after, not the Jesse Chisolm or the one from Broken Bow. Both #1 and #3 did work the Red River Valley drives at about the same time. Try telling all this to a Waco Chamber of Commerce worker- I did and don't confuse them with truth. Take care, Charles A. Wyly J. Frank Dobie and Walter Prescott Webb list all the above Chisums- Chisolms. Some books in Waco school libraries combine legends from secondary sources into 2- sometimes 1 man. On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:41:21 -0500 Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> writes: > My Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson Davis, passed along many tales > of > his days herding cattle north out of Texas on the old Chisum Trail. > "Jack" and his brother, George Washington Davis, were first rate > working > cowboys who made many trips driving cows up the Chisum to markets > further north. They lived in Navarro Co, Texas and later George > moved > with his family to the area around Tolar, Texas. There were many > obstacles to face along the trail in those days, including Indians. > Jack > Davis said that one night, while camped out in Indian territory, he > "rubbed chewing tobacco in his eyes" so he would not fall asleep > while > guarding the cattle. Another time he found a man hanging from a > tree. He > rode into the nearest town and went into the saloon to ask for the > sheriff, to report that "there is a man hanging outside town". Three > men > inside slowly turned and stared at him but said nothing. Jack > immediately figured that the hanging was none of his business and > slowly > backed out the door, got on his horse, and rode back to the safety > of > his friends at their camp. > He was also the "veterinarian" who was called on by any neighbors > who > had animals in need of medical attention. If a cow was "bloated" > from > eating too much clover, Jack knew just where to insert the knife to > "let > the air out". > When he got old he continued to wear his white hat and white > handlebar mustache. > Jim > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Charles, There is a Chisum trail that run or ran through Roswell, New Mexico. The City just put up a big statue of John Chisum. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail > Hi, Jim > > I think the info below is in Southern Trails or Txerath-L archives. > > I have found 4 jesse- John Chisolms- chisums. . One in an older > generation was a John Chisolm, an U.S. Army officer from Tennessee.I want > to find more on him, but he had a distinguished record. i do not know the > connections- if any in Anglo or Indian ancestors. > > 1. Jesse or John Chisum of Broken bow, Oklahoma and there is a historic > marker for him near Broken Bow saying he was a farmer- rancher who drove > his and some neighbors cattle across Missouri to Illinois- the Chicago > market and an early railhead- before Refrigeration but not much. This > one is buried in Oklahoma. His mother was Cherokee. > > 2. Jesse Chisolm-- half Choctaw laid out the Chisolm Trail- one source > said from Red River north. Another said from Yukon, Okla. to his Kansas > store. He ox carted freight from Oklahoma City area to his store south of > Abilene, kansas, centrally located as each new rail head opened. He also > ox carted food and supplies to Indian Reservations to the north and West. > There is no record of him driving any cows but his milk cow at his Store. > > > The Texas Trail, sometimes called the Chisolm Trail through Waco was > planned by an enterprising man who was planning the trail at one end and > working with the Railroads to have a certain number of Catle to Abilene, > Kansas by a given date. It should be the McCoy or Texas Trail. Texas > Trail was on older maps- but I think evidence points to two trails > through Waco- one from South Texas to the Oklahoma Chisolm Freight trail > and one from East Texas across the low water crossing at Rock Creek near > Gholson, then west to the Concho Valleythrough Bosque or Erath County > with stocker cattle driven by #3 to dip and fatten before hitting the > Goodnight - Loving Trail to Colorado and Wyoming pastures, Indians and > Army posts. > > #3- John Chisum half Indian of Denton County and later the Concho > Valleypast San Angelo. Now, this man is NOT the same man as the John or > jesse Chisum of Broken Bow, Oklahoma, > This man drove cattle from Denton County up the Oklahoma Chisolm Trail, > confusing a lot of cowboys and secondary source writers . He also drove > them across the High Plains to the Rio Grande then north during a wet > spring or down the Goodnight- Loving Trail to Pecos then across to the > Rio Grand and up to Colorado. These routes would allow cattle to fatten > on the way, compared to East Texas piney woods. > > Some in Keller- Southlake- Saginaw area say an Indian or mixed woman > cooked for this Chisum's chuck wagon and he left her and 2 sons Denton- > Tarrant county acerage. They ran stores there until they died. Other > reports say one branch of Goodnight- Loving Trail from Parker- Tarrant > County down the Goodnight- Loving Trail. When the train came to Colorado > City, trail drives ended there- Upper end of the Concho valley. .I talked > to an 80 year old man in Meridian, Texas about 20 years ago who said he > drove cattle with John Chisum of San Angel as a teenager. Does that > time fit? Some of this trail crossed Erath County at one timefrom > Weatherford,,Texas. and it makes sense they would have driven East Texas > cattle from Waco across Bosque County through Cranfils Gap to Lampassas. > then Concho pastures, depending on rain and new fences. > > Would have driven cattle from Waco up the rough country to Ranger- Strawn > area, or would have driven them on thw west side of the Brazos and cut > across Erath County up to the Brazos via the Bosque River- the latter is > several miles shorter and easier travelling. Kuykendall land and Cattle > of Clifton drove cattle on these trails and later used Diesels to carry > East Texas cattle to Wyoming summer pastures , especially during a dry > year in Central Texas. > > #3 was the one that Lonesome Dove Movie was copied after, not the Jesse > Chisolm or the one from Broken Bow. Both #1 and #3 did work the Red River > Valley drives at about the same time. Try telling all this to a Waco > Chamber of Commerce worker- I did and don't confuse them with truth. > > Take care, Charles A. Wyly > > J. Frank Dobie and Walter Prescott Webb list all the above Chisums- > Chisolms. Some books in Waco school libraries combine legends from > secondary sources into 2- sometimes 1 man. > > > > > On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:41:21 -0500 Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> writes: > > My Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson Davis, passed along many tales > > of > > his days herding cattle north out of Texas on the old Chisum Trail. > > "Jack" and his brother, George Washington Davis, were first rate > > working > > cowboys who made many trips driving cows up the Chisum to markets > > further north. They lived in Navarro Co, Texas and later George > > moved > > with his family to the area around Tolar, Texas. There were many > > obstacles to face along the trail in those days, including Indians. > > Jack > > Davis said that one night, while camped out in Indian territory, he > > "rubbed chewing tobacco in his eyes" so he would not fall asleep > > while > > guarding the cattle. Another time he found a man hanging from a > > tree. He > > rode into the nearest town and went into the saloon to ask for the > > sheriff, to report that "there is a man hanging outside town". Three > > men > > inside slowly turned and stared at him but said nothing. Jack > > immediately figured that the hanging was none of his business and > > slowly > > backed out the door, got on his horse, and rode back to the safety > > of > > his friends at their camp. > > He was also the "veterinarian" who was called on by any neighbors > > who > > had animals in need of medical attention. If a cow was "bloated" > > from > > eating too much clover, Jack knew just where to insert the knife to > > "let > > the air out". > > When he got old he continued to wear his white hat and white > > handlebar mustache. > > Jim > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > > #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Charles, The surname Hansen was my mother's grandfather whose name was Jens Hansen. His surname came from his father's first name, Hans, to which they added an "en." In the days when he was born, in Denmark, they still used the naming practice of taking the father's first name and adding an "en" or "sen" for the boys and "datter" or "sdatter" for the girls. Peter had Petersen and Petersdatter; and Lars had Larsen and Larsdatter, etc. Each generation and sex would have their own last name. So, Hansen is like Smith in this country, or more so, since Hans was a popular first name. At least, one knew what the first name of the father was. <g> But, it really got confusing. Around the middle of the 1800's is when they changed that practice, I believe. But, some of my family, being farmers, continued quite late with that practice. They pretty much ignored the government for a time. When Jens got to this country, the family began using Hansen as a last name. So, my mother's mother was Rose Hansen instead of Rose Jensen as it would have been in the old days. Confusing enough for you? <grin> Carole Colquehoun Genealogyresearch@prodigy.net I am not a professional genealogist (by any means). Searching: Allaman, Breedlove, Broaddus, Calhoun, Carr, Garland, Lowry, Meekins, Mullicane, Noble, Overton, Parr, Sanders, Scott, Strickland, Stump, Webster, Winston, Wright England, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia Hansen, Jensen, Larsen, Milewski, Pedersdatter, Soerensen Denmark, Germany, Nebraska, Poland ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 19 May, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Strickland migration > Hi, > several Hansens and Sorensens in Bosque county, Texas. Also Womacks and > Kuykendalls in Clifton, Cranfils Gap- Norse Kirke and newer Norse > community Lutheran Church. This is the time of the year that Norse and > Cranfils Gap have their Lutefisk festivals., complete with the dried > Norwegian fish, soaked and cooked here. Others I knew in the county were > Canutsen,and Erickson and hansen and Finstadt. > > The King of Norway visited Bosque County Norwegian churches and > cemeteries about 15 years ago, and Lyndon Olson is retireing as U.S. > Ambasador to either Sweden or Norway and is returning to Clifton- > Crawford- Waco area. > > Perhaps you know the name of the Norwegian organizer who helpped to > settle wisconsin > and Nebraska and other States. he is buried at either St. Olaf's old > Kirke and cemetery in Cranfils Gap or in Norse Cemetery. Some claim if > one visits the old Rural St. Olaf's , it is maintained by the new > congregation in " The Gap" , and is used for funerals of those buried > there . The Organ still works- some say at midnight in a full moon it has > been known to be playing with no one inside the church. Must be the wind > in the steep roof. > > In about 1926 my dad Eddie Wyly taught at Harmony School near present > Meridian State Park. ALL of the first graders spoke mostly Norwegian, > some German and he had to teach or strengthen their English, so the next > year he returned to farming. > > There is a Museum of Bosque County History, and the Norsemen in the > Clifton Museum on the old Clifton (Lutheran) Junior College campus, > next door to the Lutheran Sunset Nursing Home. Meridian is the county > seat. Miss Joann Sorenson taught English at Hill College, Hillsboro, > Texas. > > There is a Gap Tractor Salvage and parts supplier in Cranfils Gap , Texas > for local farmers who rebuild their old tractors. He is on a "Hot Line" > daily to kin in Nebraska locating scarce parts for thrifty customers . . > > > Take care, Charles A Wyly > > On Sat, 19 May 2001 16:47:25 -0700 "Genealogy Research Mail" > <genealogyresearch@prodigy.net> writes: > > Mary, > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Would you mind if I forwarded your message (without your address) to > > my > > Strickland list? I'm sure they will find it very interesting. > > > > Carole Colquehoun > > Genealogyresearch@prodigy.net > > > > I am not a professional genealogist (by any means). > > > > Searching: > > Allaman, Breedlove, Broaddus, Calhoun, Carr, Garland, Lowry, > > Meekins, > > Mullicane, Noble, Overton, Parr, Sanders, Scott, Strickland, Stump, > > Webster, > > Winston, Wright > > England, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, > > Virginia > > > > Hansen, Jensen, Larsen, Milewski, Pedersdatter, Soerensen > > Denmark, Germany, Nebraska, Poland > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Harold Miller <hlm@qtm.net> > > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, 19 May, 2001 3:12 PM > > Subject: [SouthernTrails] Strickland migration > > > > > > > Let me say - none of these are my families but this is just some > > tid bits > > I > > > have picked up along the way. > > > > > > Strickland was a North Carolina family - as was the Reavis/Reeves > > and > > > Robertson families. These seem to have traveled together or at > > least to > > > same places. > > > > > > Strickland marriages can be found in 1760s in Edgecombe County > > North > > Carolina. > > > > > > James Robertson (1742-1814) one of the founders of Nashville, TN - > > his > > wife > > > was Charlotte Reeves a daughter of a Presbyterian minister. > > > I have not notices the Strickland in the early history of TN - > > back when > > it > > > was North Carolina, but they might have been there. > > > > > > Seems a group of these went to Kentucky and moved west from there > > - > > > Tabitha Strickland born 1781 died 1848 in Indiana, married 1802 > > Warren Co > > > Kentucky to Isham Reavis who was born 1781 NC, died 1825 Indiana. > > some of > > > the siblings of this Reavis moved on to Illinois and married into > > Green, > > > Strickland and Turney families there. Some of the Reavis who > > married in > > > 1799 Kentucky, died in 1844 MO. > > > Look at Fayette Co Illinois, Bond Co Illinois for some of the > > Strickland, > > > Reavis, etc. say in ca 1835 or so. > > > So this groups migration would be NC in late 1700s with a move > > thru what > > is > > > today Tennessee, arriving in Kentucky ca 1800, then some on to > > Indiana, > > > Illinois and MO. A common migration route. > > > > > > But....look at this. > > > Samuel Smith Strickland born 1807 Kentucky died ca 1885 in > > Arkansas, > > married > > > a Jane Robertson. His brother John also married a Robertson. > > These > > > families ended up in Searcy County Arkansas. (later their dec. > > went to OK > > > and Texas). > > > Samuel Smith Strickland - his children: > > > a daughter born 1828 Mississippi > > > son born 1831 Alabama > > > children up to 1840 being born in Alabama > > > son 1844 Mississippi > > > dau 1846 Tippah County, Mississippi > > > some of the Stricklands stayed in Alabama, but this one at some > > point > > moved > > > to Searcy Co Arkansas where they married into Campbell and Turney, > > etc. > > > During the Civil War these Stricklands were Union people, one > > being killed > > > during the war. > > > The Robertson family in Searcy Co Arkansas - are written about in > > a book - > > > History and Folklore of Searcy Co Arkansas - and talks about a > > Vincent > > > Robertson born ca 1799 Kentucky, his daughter was born 1834 in > > Arkansas. > > It > > > says this Robertson family came from Wayne County Tennessee to > > Searcy Co > > AR > > > traveling and stopping along the way from 1828 to 1830....and > > helped found > > > the first county seat of Searcy Co AR. There were in politics and > > were > > > leaders in the community.... > > > (are they connected to the Robertson out of NC who help found > > Nashville, > > TN?) > > > > > > Isham Reavis must have been a Rev. War hero or something in NC as > > his name > > > is used a lot in the family in later generations.... > > > > > > so it would seem that the Strickland family began in NC, some > > moved to KY > > > and west, some to Alabama and then Arkansas, and some got mixed up > > and > > went > > > to Kentucky but then to Arkansas.....I think the Reavis, Robertson > > and > > > Strickland which I find in TN, Illinois, Alabama and Arkansas are > > all from > > > the same North Carolina families.....but that is just what I think > > and I > > > have not proved it. > > > > > > Hope this might give you someplace to look for your Strickland > > before > > 1860. > > > > > > mary hlm@qtm.net > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. 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Hi, several Hansens and Sorensens in Bosque county, Texas. Also Womacks and Kuykendalls in Clifton, Cranfils Gap- Norse Kirke and newer Norse community Lutheran Church. This is the time of the year that Norse and Cranfils Gap have their Lutefisk festivals., complete with the dried Norwegian fish, soaked and cooked here. Others I knew in the county were Canutsen,and Erickson and hansen and Finstadt. The King of Norway visited Bosque County Norwegian churches and cemeteries about 15 years ago, and Lyndon Olson is retireing as U.S. Ambasador to either Sweden or Norway and is returning to Clifton- Crawford- Waco area. Perhaps you know the name of the Norwegian organizer who helpped to settle wisconsin and Nebraska and other States. he is buried at either St. Olaf's old Kirke and cemetery in Cranfils Gap or in Norse Cemetery. Some claim if one visits the old Rural St. Olaf's , it is maintained by the new congregation in " The Gap" , and is used for funerals of those buried there . The Organ still works- some say at midnight in a full moon it has been known to be playing with no one inside the church. Must be the wind in the steep roof. In about 1926 my dad Eddie Wyly taught at Harmony School near present Meridian State Park. ALL of the first graders spoke mostly Norwegian, some German and he had to teach or strengthen their English, so the next year he returned to farming. There is a Museum of Bosque County History, and the Norsemen in the Clifton Museum on the old Clifton (Lutheran) Junior College campus, next door to the Lutheran Sunset Nursing Home. Meridian is the county seat. Miss Joann Sorenson taught English at Hill College, Hillsboro, Texas. There is a Gap Tractor Salvage and parts supplier in Cranfils Gap , Texas for local farmers who rebuild their old tractors. He is on a "Hot Line" daily to kin in Nebraska locating scarce parts for thrifty customers . . Take care, Charles A Wyly On Sat, 19 May 2001 16:47:25 -0700 "Genealogy Research Mail" <genealogyresearch@prodigy.net> writes: > Mary, > > Thank you very much. > > Would you mind if I forwarded your message (without your address) to > my > Strickland list? I'm sure they will find it very interesting. > > Carole Colquehoun > Genealogyresearch@prodigy.net > > I am not a professional genealogist (by any means). > > Searching: > Allaman, Breedlove, Broaddus, Calhoun, Carr, Garland, Lowry, > Meekins, > Mullicane, Noble, Overton, Parr, Sanders, Scott, Strickland, Stump, > Webster, > Winston, Wright > England, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, > Virginia > > Hansen, Jensen, Larsen, Milewski, Pedersdatter, Soerensen > Denmark, Germany, Nebraska, Poland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Harold Miller <hlm@qtm.net> > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, 19 May, 2001 3:12 PM > Subject: [SouthernTrails] Strickland migration > > > > Let me say - none of these are my families but this is just some > tid bits > I > > have picked up along the way. > > > > Strickland was a North Carolina family - as was the Reavis/Reeves > and > > Robertson families. These seem to have traveled together or at > least to > > same places. > > > > Strickland marriages can be found in 1760s in Edgecombe County > North > Carolina. > > > > James Robertson (1742-1814) one of the founders of Nashville, TN - > his > wife > > was Charlotte Reeves a daughter of a Presbyterian minister. > > I have not notices the Strickland in the early history of TN - > back when > it > > was North Carolina, but they might have been there. > > > > Seems a group of these went to Kentucky and moved west from there > - > > Tabitha Strickland born 1781 died 1848 in Indiana, married 1802 > Warren Co > > Kentucky to Isham Reavis who was born 1781 NC, died 1825 Indiana. > some of > > the siblings of this Reavis moved on to Illinois and married into > Green, > > Strickland and Turney families there. Some of the Reavis who > married in > > 1799 Kentucky, died in 1844 MO. > > Look at Fayette Co Illinois, Bond Co Illinois for some of the > Strickland, > > Reavis, etc. say in ca 1835 or so. > > So this groups migration would be NC in late 1700s with a move > thru what > is > > today Tennessee, arriving in Kentucky ca 1800, then some on to > Indiana, > > Illinois and MO. A common migration route. > > > > But....look at this. > > Samuel Smith Strickland born 1807 Kentucky died ca 1885 in > Arkansas, > married > > a Jane Robertson. His brother John also married a Robertson. > These > > families ended up in Searcy County Arkansas. (later their dec. > went to OK > > and Texas). > > Samuel Smith Strickland - his children: > > a daughter born 1828 Mississippi > > son born 1831 Alabama > > children up to 1840 being born in Alabama > > son 1844 Mississippi > > dau 1846 Tippah County, Mississippi > > some of the Stricklands stayed in Alabama, but this one at some > point > moved > > to Searcy Co Arkansas where they married into Campbell and Turney, > etc. > > During the Civil War these Stricklands were Union people, one > being killed > > during the war. > > The Robertson family in Searcy Co Arkansas - are written about in > a book - > > History and Folklore of Searcy Co Arkansas - and talks about a > Vincent > > Robertson born ca 1799 Kentucky, his daughter was born 1834 in > Arkansas. > It > > says this Robertson family came from Wayne County Tennessee to > Searcy Co > AR > > traveling and stopping along the way from 1828 to 1830....and > helped found > > the first county seat of Searcy Co AR. There were in politics and > were > > leaders in the community.... > > (are they connected to the Robertson out of NC who help found > Nashville, > TN?) > > > > Isham Reavis must have been a Rev. War hero or something in NC as > his name > > is used a lot in the family in later generations.... > > > > so it would seem that the Strickland family began in NC, some > moved to KY > > and west, some to Alabama and then Arkansas, and some got mixed up > and > went > > to Kentucky but then to Arkansas.....I think the Reavis, Robertson > and > > Strickland which I find in TN, Illinois, Alabama and Arkansas are > all from > > the same North Carolina families.....but that is just what I think > and I > > have not proved it. > > > > Hope this might give you someplace to look for your Strickland > before > 1860. > > > > mary hlm@qtm.net > > > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Let me say - none of these are my families but this is just some tid bits I have picked up along the way. Strickland was a North Carolina family - as was the Reavis/Reeves and Robertson families. These seem to have traveled together or at least to same places. Strickland marriages can be found in 1760s in Edgecombe County North Carolina. James Robertson (1742-1814) one of the founders of Nashville, TN - his wife was Charlotte Reeves a daughter of a Presbyterian minister. I have not notices the Strickland in the early history of TN - back when it was North Carolina, but they might have been there. Seems a group of these went to Kentucky and moved west from there - Tabitha Strickland born 1781 died 1848 in Indiana, married 1802 Warren Co Kentucky to Isham Reavis who was born 1781 NC, died 1825 Indiana. some of the siblings of this Reavis moved on to Illinois and married into Green, Strickland and Turney families there. Some of the Reavis who married in 1799 Kentucky, died in 1844 MO. Look at Fayette Co Illinois, Bond Co Illinois for some of the Strickland, Reavis, etc. say in ca 1835 or so. So this groups migration would be NC in late 1700s with a move thru what is today Tennessee, arriving in Kentucky ca 1800, then some on to Indiana, Illinois and MO. A common migration route. But....look at this. Samuel Smith Strickland born 1807 Kentucky died ca 1885 in Arkansas, married a Jane Robertson. His brother John also married a Robertson. These families ended up in Searcy County Arkansas. (later their dec. went to OK and Texas). Samuel Smith Strickland - his children: a daughter born 1828 Mississippi son born 1831 Alabama children up to 1840 being born in Alabama son 1844 Mississippi dau 1846 Tippah County, Mississippi some of the Stricklands stayed in Alabama, but this one at some point moved to Searcy Co Arkansas where they married into Campbell and Turney, etc. During the Civil War these Stricklands were Union people, one being killed during the war. The Robertson family in Searcy Co Arkansas - are written about in a book - History and Folklore of Searcy Co Arkansas - and talks about a Vincent Robertson born ca 1799 Kentucky, his daughter was born 1834 in Arkansas. It says this Robertson family came from Wayne County Tennessee to Searcy Co AR traveling and stopping along the way from 1828 to 1830....and helped found the first county seat of Searcy Co AR. There were in politics and were leaders in the community.... (are they connected to the Robertson out of NC who help found Nashville, TN?) Isham Reavis must have been a Rev. War hero or something in NC as his name is used a lot in the family in later generations.... so it would seem that the Strickland family began in NC, some moved to KY and west, some to Alabama and then Arkansas, and some got mixed up and went to Kentucky but then to Arkansas.....I think the Reavis, Robertson and Strickland which I find in TN, Illinois, Alabama and Arkansas are all from the same North Carolina families.....but that is just what I think and I have not proved it. Hope this might give you someplace to look for your Strickland before 1860. mary hlm@qtm.net

Mary, Thank you very much. Would you mind if I forwarded your message (without your address) to my Strickland list? I'm sure they will find it very interesting. Carole Colquehoun Genealogyresearch@prodigy.net I am not a professional genealogist (by any means). Searching: Allaman, Breedlove, Broaddus, Calhoun, Carr, Garland, Lowry, Meekins, Mullicane, Noble, Overton, Parr, Sanders, Scott, Strickland, Stump, Webster, Winston, Wright England, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia Hansen, Jensen, Larsen, Milewski, Pedersdatter, Soerensen Denmark, Germany, Nebraska, Poland ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Miller <hlm@qtm.net> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 19 May, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: [SouthernTrails] Strickland migration > Let me say - none of these are my families but this is just some tid bits I > have picked up along the way. > > Strickland was a North Carolina family - as was the Reavis/Reeves and > Robertson families. These seem to have traveled together or at least to > same places. > > Strickland marriages can be found in 1760s in Edgecombe County North Carolina. > > James Robertson (1742-1814) one of the founders of Nashville, TN - his wife > was Charlotte Reeves a daughter of a Presbyterian minister. > I have not notices the Strickland in the early history of TN - back when it > was North Carolina, but they might have been there. > > Seems a group of these went to Kentucky and moved west from there - > Tabitha Strickland born 1781 died 1848 in Indiana, married 1802 Warren Co > Kentucky to Isham Reavis who was born 1781 NC, died 1825 Indiana. some of > the siblings of this Reavis moved on to Illinois and married into Green, > Strickland and Turney families there. Some of the Reavis who married in > 1799 Kentucky, died in 1844 MO. > Look at Fayette Co Illinois, Bond Co Illinois for some of the Strickland, > Reavis, etc. say in ca 1835 or so. > So this groups migration would be NC in late 1700s with a move thru what is > today Tennessee, arriving in Kentucky ca 1800, then some on to Indiana, > Illinois and MO. A common migration route. > > But....look at this. > Samuel Smith Strickland born 1807 Kentucky died ca 1885 in Arkansas, married > a Jane Robertson. His brother John also married a Robertson. These > families ended up in Searcy County Arkansas. (later their dec. went to OK > and Texas). > Samuel Smith Strickland - his children: > a daughter born 1828 Mississippi > son born 1831 Alabama > children up to 1840 being born in Alabama > son 1844 Mississippi > dau 1846 Tippah County, Mississippi > some of the Stricklands stayed in Alabama, but this one at some point moved > to Searcy Co Arkansas where they married into Campbell and Turney, etc. > During the Civil War these Stricklands were Union people, one being killed > during the war. > The Robertson family in Searcy Co Arkansas - are written about in a book - > History and Folklore of Searcy Co Arkansas - and talks about a Vincent > Robertson born ca 1799 Kentucky, his daughter was born 1834 in Arkansas. It > says this Robertson family came from Wayne County Tennessee to Searcy Co AR > traveling and stopping along the way from 1828 to 1830....and helped found > the first county seat of Searcy Co AR. There were in politics and were > leaders in the community.... > (are they connected to the Robertson out of NC who help found Nashville, TN?) > > Isham Reavis must have been a Rev. War hero or something in NC as his name > is used a lot in the family in later generations.... > > so it would seem that the Strickland family began in NC, some moved to KY > and west, some to Alabama and then Arkansas, and some got mixed up and went > to Kentucky but then to Arkansas.....I think the Reavis, Robertson and > Strickland which I find in TN, Illinois, Alabama and Arkansas are all from > the same North Carolina families.....but that is just what I think and I > have not proved it. > > Hope this might give you someplace to look for your Strickland before 1860. > > mary hlm@qtm.net > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

I cannot discover the trails that my Watson family used to come to TX from GA. They were in AL in 1840 and in Jackson Parish LA in 1850 and were in Parker Co. TX by 1856. Oral history says they returned with Oliver Loving when he came home from a trail drive. I discounted that tale for years but read recently that Oliver Lovings's first trail drives were to central LA, so is probably true. Most of those who came to TX settled in Palo Pinto Co. but that was the frontier and Nathan Watson raised "fine" horses (TN walking horses according to one acct.) and you do not raise horses on the frontier! He suffered some indian losses at any rate. Would appreciate any input or ideas of trails. Bobbie

My Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson Davis, passed along many tales of his days herding cattle north out of Texas on the old Chisum Trail. "Jack" and his brother, George Washington Davis, were first rate working cowboys who made many trips driving cows up the Chisum to markets further north. They lived in Navarro Co, Texas and later George moved with his family to the area around Tolar, Texas. There were many obstacles to face along the trail in those days, including Indians. Jack Davis said that one night, while camped out in Indian territory, he "rubbed chewing tobacco in his eyes" so he would not fall asleep while guarding the cattle. Another time he found a man hanging from a tree. He rode into the nearest town and went into the saloon to ask for the sheriff, to report that "there is a man hanging outside town". Three men inside slowly turned and stared at him but said nothing. Jack immediately figured that the hanging was none of his business and slowly backed out the door, got on his horse, and rode back to the safety of his friends at their camp. He was also the "veterinarian" who was called on by any neighbors who had animals in need of medical attention. If a cow was "bloated" from eating too much clover, Jack knew just where to insert the knife to "let the air out". When he got old he continued to wear his white hat and white handlebar mustache. Jim

Thanks for all the input on the road to KY. My family would have been large.....probably two or more families travelling together. I was just thinking that some of the children may have been born somewhere between the Carolinas and KY. since there seems to be a lack of records or evidence. Plus the fact that I have no mother...but lots of kids. Even if I don't ever find the actual birth places, I love to fantasize about their travels. Makes for good daydreaming. *paulette* in Sunny Florida Tanner-Wilkins-Glover-Newton SC,NC,KY,MO,ILL

Thinking about GW....he was in a family of "planters". Just an ordinary sort of guy in the beginning. He fought in the very first battles of the French-Indian War where his military career began. That would be c. 1754 or a little before. He helped out (don't know the military term) Genl. Braddock...didn't he get a couple of horses shot out from underneath?? Then he was famous for speaking against England.....an activist of the first sort. GW was Commander in Chief of the Continental Army....c. 1775...not good on dates. Then the American Revolution was in full swing...and GW was the guy that made Cornwallis surrender.....HOORAH!!! (watch the movie Patriot). Hope this helps a bit.....I'm a math major (egads!) and didn't do all that well in history, but every now and then I get a flash! *paulette* (but now an artist) in Sunny Florida researching: Tanner-Wilkins-Newton-Glover

Betty, I assumed since the deed was recorded in 1867 that the agreement was made and the man listed bought the place, just was late getting it recorded. I don't know. Dortha

In a message dated 5/19/01 1:52:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Dgreen909h@cs.com writes: << Family tradition also states that when the Pledgers moved to TX they moved off and left the plantation, without selling it. So much for family tradition!! Of course, this was right after the Civil War. Times were hard. >> Wonder if the land was taken. Perhaps they could not pay the taxes on it. Would be interested in knowing what really happened. The farm that was in one of my family lines was bought in 1824 and not sold until 1975 or so. Betty.

Paulette... My Travis family came into SC at Savannah in 1772....In the family records it states.."Aunt Rachal crossed the Cumberland gap on her 12th birthday, walking into Kentucky on Christmas Day, 1803"... So many of the pioneers walked into Kentucky...the forest was thick and the trails narrow, so using a hore to pack in goods was the best way..Wagon trains may have come later, after the paths became wider roads... Katharan >Knowledgeable listers, if a family were in S.C. about 1744 and by 1800 >were >in KY., what would be the like path they would have travelled? I'm >thinking >there couldn't have been more than a few ways to get from S.C. to KY. at >that >time but I have not been able to find anything. Thanks for any help. >*paulette* in SunnyFlorida/researching: Tanner-Newton-Wilkens-Glover: >SC-NC-KY-MO-ILL > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I am not looking for family any more. I am enjoying all the stories. They are wonderful. I need to print some again for reference, and who knows, perhaps I will find one or more of my family members tagging along on a trail with someone else. They came from a lot of places. I may never get around to telling about mine; these stories are so good. Thank you all, Armenta..........

Charles, or anyone that knows!! What does the word 'Plantation" mean? How large does it have to be? Would it compare in size to a Texas farm or ranch?? Family tradition called the Pledger home in GA a plantation. I have a copy of the land deed when it was sold, dated 1864 and recorded 1867.(I don't understand the delay.) And, the combined acreage was only 300-400 acres. Family tradition also states that when the Pledgers moved to TX they moved off and left the plantation, without selling it. So much for family tradition!! Of course, this was right after the Civil War. Times were hard. Will enjoy hearing your comments. I fear I've exposed my ignorance!! (grin) again! Thanks, Dortha McElroy Greenlee

i think i saw on another list sometime back that a Plantation for most folks back then was not large as we think of them being. it said(i think) they called their farms plantations as a matter of course. today i was reading a book about Women during the civil war. one plantation was 25,000 acres. this seems huge to me. carlene---also Mr. Wyly, my grandfather supposedly came down the river from Shawnee Town, Illinois abt. 1879 then came to Texas by horseback. he was said to have been abt. 16. what route do you think he may have taken? I do enjoy your postings and the "ramblings" carlene