Mary et al....I just seem to be having the worst time!!! Would it be correct to assume that I should get my candy grabbers on a map of Duplin Co., NC...as well as KY...for the time frame of 1744-1800? I'm sure Duplin wasn't even a county then, so I should find which county it was and search that one?? Maps from that era are not easy to find as you probably already know. Here's a good question: when recording the information, would it be correct to list each county...the original, then the later? thanks.... *Paulette* in Sunny Florida (sipping a very icey tea)

>Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:26:48 EDT >From: JavaKittee@aol.com >To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <6a.e41dd30.283bc318@aol.com> >Subject: [SouthernTrails] re: Tanner and their route >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Linda and Mary....thanks for the input. I am researching Tanner from >(allegedly) NC, maybe SC, maybe VA. HA! I have b. abt. 1744, Duplin Co., >NC. But I don't see Duplin Co. at that time. I have Tanner children that >likely were born in KY, some NC (could have been SC). I have Samuel Tanner >and his many children, but not his wife, father, mother, etc. Was thinking >it might be a good idea to just study the typical route of travel at the >time...look for births, deaths, marriges along the trail from the Carolinas >to Ky. I only wish I were searching in Florida...it would be much easier >since that's where I am. And the search continues..... > >*Paulette* in Sunny Florida (at last, it rained) >Researching: Tanner-Wilkins-Glover-Newton/SC>NC>KY>MO>ILL > Please remember that at one time what is today Tennessee was North Carolina, and what is today Kentucky was Virginia....so watch the dates to determine where you should be looking for records. For example - My ancestor was of NC (today TN) and sold land to a man in Lincoln Co Virginia....well I went crazy trying to find records till I realized that at the time the land transaction took place - Lincoln Co VA was in what is today Kentucky, and the land was just over the line between TN and KY - so my ancestor sold land not that far away from where I had him anyway. He was still in the Nashville TN area, he had not moved or gone to Virginia. Mary

Could some one tell us a little about the WIRE ROAD that runs through Missouri. Where it began and where it ends? My Akers / Netherland Family left Troy, Lincoln County, MO in 1871 for Crofton, Wise County, TX. I would like to know about any trail they would have used to get from MO to TX.. Another family by the name of Armstrong left Troy, MO with them, I think. The Netherland's and the Armstrong's, no relation that I know of, are buried in the Troy Cemetery in Johnston County, OK Appreciate your help. Armenta...........

Thanks for all the help. Researching: Coggins, Strickland, Hefner, Lingefelt, Taylor, Setser, Fricks, Wehunt, and numerous other family names from GA, NC and TN. Sandy

Hi, I taught Tanner children at Walnut Springs, Texas, 1960's. Their dad was a deceased Texas Highway Patrolman. Their step dad was W.H. Heartsill, Agriculture teacher at Walnut. Another Ronnie. Tanner, across the street from me here in Hewitt, is a new Deacon in a Hewitt First Baptist Church. He has siblings in the Hewitt- Robinson- Waco area. This group is shorter than average in height. Elsiein Walnut Springs was red headed. Does this help? Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Tue, 22 May 2001 09:26:48 EDT JavaKittee@aol.com writes: > Linda and Mary....thanks for the input. I am researching Tanner > from > (allegedly) NC, maybe SC, maybe VA. HA! I have b. abt. 1744, > Duplin Co., > NC. But I don't see Duplin Co. at that time. I have Tanner > children that > likely were born in KY, some NC (could have been SC). I have Samuel > Tanner > and his many children, but not his wife, father, mother, etc. Was > thinking > it might be a good idea to just study the typical route of travel at > the > time...look for births, deaths, marriges along the trail from the > Carolinas > to Ky. I only wish I were searching in Florida...it would be much > easier > since that's where I am. And the search continues..... > > *Paulette* in Sunny Florida (at last, it rained) > Researching: Tanner-Wilkins-Glover-Newton/SC>NC>KY>MO>ILL > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Sandy, I have Family Tree Maker ver 8. I like it allot but recently downloaded the free version of Legacy. It's pretty good and can be downloaded to my handheld computer. The url is: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ Kathy Conard Ft Lauderdale, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: <SStrick645@aol.com> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:35 AM Subject: [SouthernTrails] Re: software > I enjoy this list very much. Could someone please tell me if there is a free > simple genealogy software program I can download. I purchased Family Tree > but can't seem to get it to work. Thanks Sandy > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

I enjoy this list very much. Could someone please tell me if there is a free simple genealogy software program I can download. I purchased Family Tree but can't seem to get it to work. Thanks Sandy

There are two genealogy programs that I know of that you can download for free. The first one and the best is PAF (Personal Ancestral File) available through the Latter-Day Saints website. www.familysearch.org It is the most versatile and the easiest to use. Just click on the software/downloads tab and go from there. You can download the version that is right for your computer. The other one that I know of is available through www.kindredkonnections.com . Hope this helps! Vanessa Burzynski SStrick645@aol.com wrote: > I enjoy this list very much. Could someone please tell me if there is a free > simple genealogy software program I can download. I purchased Family Tree > but can't seem to get it to work. Thanks Sandy > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Paulette, I don't know where you live in Florida, but if you are near Tampa, check this out. One of the best-equipped genealogical collections that I have used is the one at the main branch (downtown) of the Tampa Public Library. I can hardly wait to get back down there to do more searching! Best wishes for more rain, MF >Linda and Mary....thanks for the input. I am researching Tanner from >(allegedly) NC, maybe SC, maybe VA. HA! I have b. abt. 1744, Duplin Co., >NC. But I don't see Duplin Co. at that time. I have Tanner children that >likely were born in KY, some NC (could have been SC). I have Samuel Tanner >and his many children, but not his wife, father, mother, etc. Was thinking >it might be a good idea to just study the typical route of travel at the >time...look for births, deaths, marriges along the trail from the Carolinas >to Ky. I only wish I were searching in Florida...it would be much easier >since that's where I am. And the search continues..... > >*Paulette* in Sunny Florida (at last, it rained) >Researching: Tanner-Wilkins-Glover-Newton/SC>NC>KY>MO>ILL

John Chisum's cattle brand was too easy to change with a running iron so he also notched the cow's ear and called it the "Jingle-bob Ranch". The one piece of the cow's ear flopped and the other piece stood straight up. Chisum said, "it does not jingle but it sure does bob". Jerry Coffee ----Original Message----- From: Coffee <j.coff@verizon.net> To: Coffee <j.coff@verizon.net>; Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail >John Chisum was from Paris, Texas and started his first cattle herd there. >He drove cattle from Paris to Trickham, Texas to intercept the Texas Trail >to Kansas. He later moved his ranching operations to the area 20 miles west >of Trickham, Texas and 10 miles northeast of Paint Rock Texas near the >confluence of the Colorado River and the Concho River. The Loving-Goodnight >Trail, also known as the Western Trail, branched west fron the Texas Trail >at Trickham, Texas and went through Chisum's ranch near Paint Rock and on >to Pecos Crossing and then north through Roswell, New Mexico, Colorado to >Cheyenne Wyoming. He moved again to Roswell New Mexico in the late 1870s. >John Chisum died of cancer December 22, 1886 and was buried on Christmas Day >in the Chisum family plot in Paris, Texas. > >Jerry Coffee > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Coffee <j.coff@verizon.net> >To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:52 AM >Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail > > >> These cattle trails in Texas must have been called various names at >>various times and apparently the State Historical Society does not monitor >>their roadside markers. According to a roadside marker, The Shawnee Trail >>ran north from the Austin, Texas area through Dallas to Coffee's Trading >>Post on the Red River and on through Oklahoma to Dodge City Kansas. There >is >>a roadside marker in Frisco,Texas on Hwy. 289 (Preston Road), just north >of >>SH-121 that indicates the route of the Shawnee Trail. The Chisholm Trail >ran >>through Comanche County according to the roadside marker on Hwy-67 just >west >>of Comanche, Texas. Most historians agree that the Chisholm Trail only ran >>through Oklahoma starting at Doans Crossing. Doan's Crossing is located on >>the Red River north of Vernon, Texas. According to some historians, The >>Texas Trail started in south Texas and ran north through what is now >>Gillispie, Kimball, San Saba, Coleman, Callahan, Shackleford (Ft. >>Griffin), Throckmorton, Baylor Counties and connecting to the so called >>Chisholm Trail at Doans Crossing in Wilbarger County. >> >> In 1870, The Western Trail started at the Texas Trail at Thrickham, >>Texas in Coleman County and went due west through John Chisum's Texas >>ranching operations east of Paint Rock, Texas to San Angelo and on to >>Pecos, Texas. The roadside marker on US-83, north of Paint Rock, Texas >>indicates the ranching area of John Chisum before he moved to New Mexico >>and was involved with Billy The Kid and the Lincoln County War. I don't >>recall how he was involved in the Lincoln County War. Billy The Kid worked >>for him at some point in time. I don't think Chisum was to involved in the >>war. >> >> At Pecos, the Western Trail turned north through New Mexico to >>Colorado. The small community of Trickham, Texas was a supply point for >the >>drovers that were starting to Chisum's ranch on the Western Trail. The town >>got it's name from a store keeper named Cheatham. He watered down his >>whiskey and sold it to the cowboys. He was the first person in the world to >>put flour in cotton sacks rather than in barrels, in order to increase his >>profits of the sale of flour to the drovers and make it easier to carry >>flour on the chuck wagons. Keys Crossing on the Colorado River was the >>westernmost dry weather cattle crossing of the Colorado River in 1870. It >>is located just southeast of Trickham near Indian Creek, Texas. Many >>outlaws and gun fighters hid out in the area around Keys Crossing, waiting >>for the cattle drives to come through. They would join the drovers and >offer >>their guns in the range wars in the counties that the drive would pass >>through to the north. The land along Western Trail was not opened to >farmers >>in the 1870s. >> >>In the 1870s the fence cutting range wars were common between the drovers >>and the farmers as they fenced the land in the counties along the Texas >>Trail. A Texas Ranger captain named Ira Aten joined the cattle drives near >>Keys Crossing as a undercover officer to find out who the gunmen were and >>make arrests later after the gun battles. One of the largest gun battles >was >>northwest of Brownwood, Texas near the Brown-Coleman County line. A >>gun-hand named Harlow was the leader of the drover's gunfighters. He was >>arrested by ranger Ira Aten. >> >>Jerry Coffee >> >> >>-----Original Message-----a.om: Barbara Vaillancourt <Valcourt@dfn.com> >>To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:52 PM >>Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail >> >> >>>Charles, There is a Chisum trail that run or ran through Roswell, New >>>Mexico. The City just put up a big statue of John Chisum. Barbara >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> >>>To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:21 PM >>>Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail >>> >>> >>>> Hi, Jim >>>> >>>> I think the info below is in Southern Trails or Txerath-L archives. >>>> >>>> I have found 4 jesse- John Chisolms- chisums. . One in an older >>>> generation was a John Chisolm, an U.S. Army officer from Tennessee.I >want >>>> to find more on him, but he had a distinguished record. i do not know >the >>>> connections- if any in Anglo or Indian ancestors. >>>> >>>> 1. Jesse or John Chisum of Broken bow, Oklahoma and there is a historic >>>> marker for him near Broken Bow saying he was a farmer- rancher who drove >>>> his and some neighbors cattle across Missouri to Illinois- the Chicago >>>> market and an early railhead- before Refrigeration but not much. This >>>> one is buried in Oklahoma. His mother was Cherokee. >>>> >>>> 2. Jesse Chisolm-- half Choctaw laid out the Chisolm Trail- one source >>>> said from Red River north. Another said from Yukon, Okla. to his Kansas >>>> store. He ox carted freight from Oklahoma City area to his store south >of >>>> Abilene, kansas, centrally located as each new rail head opened. He also >>>> ox carted food and supplies to Indian Reservations to the north and >West. >>>> There is no record of him driving any cows but his milk cow at his >Store. >>>> >>>> >>>> The Texas Trail, sometimes called the Chisolm Trail through Waco was >>>> planned by an enterprising man who was planning the trail at one end and >>>> working with the Railroads to have a certain number of Catle to Abilene, >>>> Kansas by a given date. It should be the McCoy or Texas Trail. Texas >>>> Trail was on older maps- but I think evidence points to two trails >>>> through Waco- one from South Texas to the Oklahoma Chisolm Freight trail >>>> and one from East Texas across the low water crossing at Rock Creek >near >>>> Gholson, then west to the Concho Valleythrough Bosque or Erath County >>>> with stocker cattle driven by #3 to dip and fatten before hitting the >>>> Goodnight - Loving Trail to Colorado and Wyoming pastures, Indians and >>>> Army posts. >>>> >>>> #3- John Chisum half Indian of Denton County and later the Concho >>>> Valleypast San Angelo. Now, this man is NOT the same man as the John or >>>> jesse Chisum of Broken Bow, Oklahoma, >>>> This man drove cattle from Denton County up the Oklahoma Chisolm Trail, >>>> confusing a lot of cowboys and secondary source writers . He also drove >>>> them across the High Plains to the Rio Grande then north during a wet >>>> spring or down the Goodnight- Loving Trail to Pecos then across to the >>>> Rio Grand and up to Colorado. These routes would allow cattle to fatten >>>> on the way, compared to East Texas piney woods. >>>> >>>> Some in Keller- Southlake- Saginaw area say an Indian or mixed woman >>>> cooked for this Chisum's chuck wagon and he left her and 2 sons Denton- >>>> Tarrant county acerage. They ran stores there until they died. Other >>>> reports say one branch of Goodnight- Loving Trail from Parker- Tarrant >>>> County down the Goodnight- Loving Trail. When the train came to Colorado >>>> City, trail drives ended there- Upper end of the Concho valley. .I >talked >>>> to an 80 year old man in Meridian, Texas about 20 years ago who said he >>>> drove cattle with John Chisum of San Angel as a teenager. Does that >>>> time fit? Some of this trail crossed Erath County at one timefrom >>>> Weatherford,,Texas. and it makes sense they would have driven East >Texas >>>> cattle from Waco across Bosque County through Cranfils Gap to Lampassas. >>>> then Concho pastures, depending on rain and new fences. >>>> >>>> Would have driven cattle from Waco up the rough country to Ranger- >Strawn >>>> area, or would have driven them on thw west side of the Brazos and cut >>>> across Erath County up to the Brazos via the Bosque River- the latter is >>>> several miles shorter and easier travelling. Kuykendall land and Cattle >>>> of Clifton drove cattle on these trails and later used Diesels to carry >>>> East Texas cattle to Wyoming summer pastures , especially during a dry >>>> year in Central Texas. >>>> >>>> #3 was the one that Lonesome Dove Movie was copied after, not the Jesse >>>> Chisolm or the one from Broken Bow. Both #1 and #3 did work the Red >River >>>> Valley drives at about the same time. Try telling all this to a Waco >>>> Chamber of Commerce worker- I did and don't confuse them with truth. >>>> >>>> Take care, Charles A. Wyly >>>> >>>> J. Frank Dobie and Walter Prescott Webb list all the above Chisums- >>>> Chisolms. Some books in Waco school libraries combine legends from >>>> secondary sources into 2- sometimes 1 man. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:41:21 -0500 Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> writes: >>>> > My Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson Davis, passed along many tales >>>> > of >>>> > his days herding cattle north out of Texas on the old Chisum Trail. >>>> > "Jack" and his brother, George Washington Davis, were first rate >>>> > working >>>> > cowboys who made many trips driving cows up the Chisum to markets >>>> > further north. They lived in Navarro Co, Texas and later George >>>> > moved >>>> > with his family to the area around Tolar, Texas. There were many >>>> > obstacles to face along the trail in those days, including Indians. >>>> > Jack >>>> > Davis said that one night, while camped out in Indian territory, he >>>> > "rubbed chewing tobacco in his eyes" so he would not fall asleep >>>> > while >>>> > guarding the cattle. Another time he found a man hanging from a >>>> > tree. He >>>> > rode into the nearest town and went into the saloon to ask for the >>>> > sheriff, to report that "there is a man hanging outside town". Three >>>> > men >>>> > inside slowly turned and stared at him but said nothing. Jack >>>> > immediately figured that the hanging was none of his business and >>>> > slowly >>>> > backed out the door, got on his horse, and rode back to the safety >>>> > of >>>> > his friends at their camp. >>>> > He was also the "veterinarian" who was called on by any neighbors >>>> > who >>>> > had animals in need of medical attention. If a cow was "bloated" >>>> > from >>>> > eating too much clover, Jack knew just where to insert the knife to >>>> > "let >>>> > the air out". >>>> > When he got old he continued to wear his white hat and white >>>> > handlebar mustache. >>>> > Jim >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ============================== >>>> > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the >>>> > #1 >>>> > Source for Family History Online. Go to: >>>> > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >>>> Source for Family History Online. Go to: >>>> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >>>your heritage! >>>http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >>> >> >

John Chisum was from Paris, Texas and started his first cattle herd there. He drove cattle from Paris to Trickham, Texas to intercept the Texas Trail to Kansas. He later moved his ranching operations to the area 20 miles west of Trickham, Texas and 10 miles northeast of Paint Rock Texas near the confluence of the Colorado River and the Concho River. The Loving-Goodnight Trail, also known as the Western Trail, branched west fron the Texas Trail at Trickham, Texas and went through Chisum's ranch near Paint Rock and on to Pecos Crossing and then north through Roswell, New Mexico, Colorado to Cheyenne Wyoming. He moved again to Roswell New Mexico in the late 1870s. John Chisum died of cancer December 22, 1886 and was buried on Christmas Day in the Chisum family plot in Paris, Texas. Jerry Coffee -----Original Message----- From: Coffee <j.coff@verizon.net> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail > These cattle trails in Texas must have been called various names at >various times and apparently the State Historical Society does not monitor >their roadside markers. According to a roadside marker, The Shawnee Trail >ran north from the Austin, Texas area through Dallas to Coffee's Trading >Post on the Red River and on through Oklahoma to Dodge City Kansas. There is >a roadside marker in Frisco,Texas on Hwy. 289 (Preston Road), just north of >SH-121 that indicates the route of the Shawnee Trail. The Chisholm Trail ran >through Comanche County according to the roadside marker on Hwy-67 just west >of Comanche, Texas. Most historians agree that the Chisholm Trail only ran >through Oklahoma starting at Doans Crossing. Doan's Crossing is located on >the Red River north of Vernon, Texas. According to some historians, The >Texas Trail started in south Texas and ran north through what is now >Gillispie, Kimball, San Saba, Coleman, Callahan, Shackleford (Ft. >Griffin), Throckmorton, Baylor Counties and connecting to the so called >Chisholm Trail at Doans Crossing in Wilbarger County. > > In 1870, The Western Trail started at the Texas Trail at Thrickham, >Texas in Coleman County and went due west through John Chisum's Texas >ranching operations east of Paint Rock, Texas to San Angelo and on to >Pecos, Texas. The roadside marker on US-83, north of Paint Rock, Texas >indicates the ranching area of John Chisum before he moved to New Mexico >and was involved with Billy The Kid and the Lincoln County War. I don't >recall how he was involved in the Lincoln County War. Billy The Kid worked >for him at some point in time. I don't think Chisum was to involved in the >war. > > At Pecos, the Western Trail turned north through New Mexico to >Colorado. The small community of Trickham, Texas was a supply point for the >drovers that were starting to Chisum's ranch on the Western Trail. The town >got it's name from a store keeper named Cheatham. He watered down his >whiskey and sold it to the cowboys. He was the first person in the world to >put flour in cotton sacks rather than in barrels, in order to increase his >profits of the sale of flour to the drovers and make it easier to carry >flour on the chuck wagons. Keys Crossing on the Colorado River was the >westernmost dry weather cattle crossing of the Colorado River in 1870. It >is located just southeast of Trickham near Indian Creek, Texas. Many >outlaws and gun fighters hid out in the area around Keys Crossing, waiting >for the cattle drives to come through. They would join the drovers and offer >their guns in the range wars in the counties that the drive would pass >through to the north. The land along Western Trail was not opened to farmers >in the 1870s. > >In the 1870s the fence cutting range wars were common between the drovers >and the farmers as they fenced the land in the counties along the Texas >Trail. A Texas Ranger captain named Ira Aten joined the cattle drives near >Keys Crossing as a undercover officer to find out who the gunmen were and >make arrests later after the gun battles. One of the largest gun battles was >northwest of Brownwood, Texas near the Brown-Coleman County line. A >gun-hand named Harlow was the leader of the drover's gunfighters. He was >arrested by ranger Ira Aten. > >Jerry Coffee > > >-----Original Message-----a.om: Barbara Vaillancourt <Valcourt@dfn.com> >To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:52 PM >Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail > > >>Charles, There is a Chisum trail that run or ran through Roswell, New >>Mexico. The City just put up a big statue of John Chisum. Barbara >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> >>To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:21 PM >>Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Chisum Trail >> >> >>> Hi, Jim >>> >>> I think the info below is in Southern Trails or Txerath-L archives. >>> >>> I have found 4 jesse- John Chisolms- chisums. . One in an older >>> generation was a John Chisolm, an U.S. Army officer from Tennessee.I want >>> to find more on him, but he had a distinguished record. i do not know the >>> connections- if any in Anglo or Indian ancestors. >>> >>> 1. Jesse or John Chisum of Broken bow, Oklahoma and there is a historic >>> marker for him near Broken Bow saying he was a farmer- rancher who drove >>> his and some neighbors cattle across Missouri to Illinois- the Chicago >>> market and an early railhead- before Refrigeration but not much. This >>> one is buried in Oklahoma. His mother was Cherokee. >>> >>> 2. Jesse Chisolm-- half Choctaw laid out the Chisolm Trail- one source >>> said from Red River north. Another said from Yukon, Okla. to his Kansas >>> store. He ox carted freight from Oklahoma City area to his store south of >>> Abilene, kansas, centrally located as each new rail head opened. He also >>> ox carted food and supplies to Indian Reservations to the north and West. >>> There is no record of him driving any cows but his milk cow at his Store. >>> >>> >>> The Texas Trail, sometimes called the Chisolm Trail through Waco was >>> planned by an enterprising man who was planning the trail at one end and >>> working with the Railroads to have a certain number of Catle to Abilene, >>> Kansas by a given date. It should be the McCoy or Texas Trail. Texas >>> Trail was on older maps- but I think evidence points to two trails >>> through Waco- one from South Texas to the Oklahoma Chisolm Freight trail >>> and one from East Texas across the low water crossing at Rock Creek near >>> Gholson, then west to the Concho Valleythrough Bosque or Erath County >>> with stocker cattle driven by #3 to dip and fatten before hitting the >>> Goodnight - Loving Trail to Colorado and Wyoming pastures, Indians and >>> Army posts. >>> >>> #3- John Chisum half Indian of Denton County and later the Concho >>> Valleypast San Angelo. Now, this man is NOT the same man as the John or >>> jesse Chisum of Broken Bow, Oklahoma, >>> This man drove cattle from Denton County up the Oklahoma Chisolm Trail, >>> confusing a lot of cowboys and secondary source writers . He also drove >>> them across the High Plains to the Rio Grande then north during a wet >>> spring or down the Goodnight- Loving Trail to Pecos then across to the >>> Rio Grand and up to Colorado. These routes would allow cattle to fatten >>> on the way, compared to East Texas piney woods. >>> >>> Some in Keller- Southlake- Saginaw area say an Indian or mixed woman >>> cooked for this Chisum's chuck wagon and he left her and 2 sons Denton- >>> Tarrant county acerage. They ran stores there until they died. Other >>> reports say one branch of Goodnight- Loving Trail from Parker- Tarrant >>> County down the Goodnight- Loving Trail. When the train came to Colorado >>> City, trail drives ended there- Upper end of the Concho valley. .I talked >>> to an 80 year old man in Meridian, Texas about 20 years ago who said he >>> drove cattle with John Chisum of San Angel as a teenager. Does that >>> time fit? Some of this trail crossed Erath County at one timefrom >>> Weatherford,,Texas. and it makes sense they would have driven East Texas >>> cattle from Waco across Bosque County through Cranfils Gap to Lampassas. >>> then Concho pastures, depending on rain and new fences. >>> >>> Would have driven cattle from Waco up the rough country to Ranger- Strawn >>> area, or would have driven them on thw west side of the Brazos and cut >>> across Erath County up to the Brazos via the Bosque River- the latter is >>> several miles shorter and easier travelling. Kuykendall land and Cattle >>> of Clifton drove cattle on these trails and later used Diesels to carry >>> East Texas cattle to Wyoming summer pastures , especially during a dry >>> year in Central Texas. >>> >>> #3 was the one that Lonesome Dove Movie was copied after, not the Jesse >>> Chisolm or the one from Broken Bow. Both #1 and #3 did work the Red River >>> Valley drives at about the same time. Try telling all this to a Waco >>> Chamber of Commerce worker- I did and don't confuse them with truth. >>> >>> Take care, Charles A. Wyly >>> >>> J. Frank Dobie and Walter Prescott Webb list all the above Chisums- >>> Chisolms. Some books in Waco school libraries combine legends from >>> secondary sources into 2- sometimes 1 man. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:41:21 -0500 Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> writes: >>> > My Great Grandfather, Andrew Jackson Davis, passed along many tales >>> > of >>> > his days herding cattle north out of Texas on the old Chisum Trail. >>> > "Jack" and his brother, George Washington Davis, were first rate >>> > working >>> > cowboys who made many trips driving cows up the Chisum to markets >>> > further north. They lived in Navarro Co, Texas and later George >>> > moved >>> > with his family to the area around Tolar, Texas. There were many >>> > obstacles to face along the trail in those days, including Indians. >>> > Jack >>> > Davis said that one night, while camped out in Indian territory, he >>> > "rubbed chewing tobacco in his eyes" so he would not fall asleep >>> > while >>> > guarding the cattle. Another time he found a man hanging from a >>> > tree. He >>> > rode into the nearest town and went into the saloon to ask for the >>> > sheriff, to report that "there is a man hanging outside town". Three >>> > men >>> > inside slowly turned and stared at him but said nothing. Jack >>> > immediately figured that the hanging was none of his business and >>> > slowly >>> > backed out the door, got on his horse, and rode back to the safety >>> > of >>> > his friends at their camp. >>> > He was also the "veterinarian" who was called on by any neighbors >>> > who >>> > had animals in need of medical attention. If a cow was "bloated" >>> > from >>> > eating too much clover, Jack knew just where to insert the knife to >>> > "let >>> > the air out". >>> > When he got old he continued to wear his white hat and white >>> > handlebar mustache. >>> > Jim >>> > >>> > >>> > ============================== >>> > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the >>> > #1 >>> > Source for Family History Online. Go to: >>> > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >>> > >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >>> Source for Family History Online. Go to: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >>> >>> >> >> >>============================== >>Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >>your heritage! >>http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >> >

Hi, I also have the free download from legacy. Even though I have been online for about 3 years I had never used a program and have nothing to compare legacy with. It is taking me awhile to get used to though but seems to do the job. Theresa Cate Richardson searching...(southern lines)...Reeves, Swanson, Corbitt, Haynes, Burtcher, Middlebrook, Brown --- Kathy Conard <katcay@earthlink.net> wrote: > Sandy, > > I have Family Tree Maker ver 8. I like it allot but > recently downloaded the > free version of Legacy. It's pretty good and can be > downloaded to my > handheld computer. The url is: > http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Kathy Conard > Ft Lauderdale, FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <SStrick645@aol.com> > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:35 AM > Subject: [SouthernTrails] Re: software > > > > I enjoy this list very much. Could someone please > tell me if there is a > free > > simple genealogy software program I can download. > I purchased Family Tree > > but can't seem to get it to work. Thanks Sandy > > > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, > Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, > Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

Linda and Mary....thanks for the input. I am researching Tanner from (allegedly) NC, maybe SC, maybe VA. HA! I have b. abt. 1744, Duplin Co., NC. But I don't see Duplin Co. at that time. I have Tanner children that likely were born in KY, some NC (could have been SC). I have Samuel Tanner and his many children, but not his wife, father, mother, etc. Was thinking it might be a good idea to just study the typical route of travel at the time...look for births, deaths, marriges along the trail from the Carolinas to Ky. I only wish I were searching in Florida...it would be much easier since that's where I am. And the search continues..... *Paulette* in Sunny Florida (at last, it rained) Researching: Tanner-Wilkins-Glover-Newton/SC>NC>KY>MO>ILL

George Washington was the son of a second wife - he had an older half brother who got their father's property. So George was sent out in his teens to learn the art of survey....that is why you will find he had land all over the place. He often got part of his pay in land. He very much wanted to be an English gentleman in his early years, wanted to be in the British Army. When he was sent out with Braddock....I think George pretty much began the French and Indian War on his own. After that disgrace, he went back to being a planter for many years. Is it true GW is the one who 'invented' mules? He did not get Mount Vernon till after his half brother died, and then his niece. When he got it, the house was much smaller than today. He then went out and found the richest widow in Virginia and married her. He needed money to improve Mount Vernon. When the unrest began ... George was kind of silent. He was there, and people asked his opinion, but he did not talk much. (his wooden teeth?) He did do something very human....and it shows he was like most of us with dreams....he arrived at the meeting in his uniform. The only one dressed that way. Thus he was showing he had military experience and wanted to be in charge of the Army - so he was chosen. I would think up to that time, no children were named after him outside his own family. After the Rev War, I am sure many of his soldiers named sons George Washington. Mary

>_____________________From: JavaKittee@aol.com > >Subject: [SouthernTrails] re: S.C. to KY. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Knowledgeable listers, if a family were in S.C. about 1744 and by 1800 were >in KY., what would be the like path they would have travelled? I'm thinking >there couldn't have been more than a few ways to get from S.C. to KY. at that >time but I have not been able to find anything. Thanks for any help. >*paulette* in SunnyFlorida/researching: Tanner-Newton-Wilkens-Glover: >SC-NC-KY-MO-ILL > Since you used the dates 1744 to 1800, I think a safe bet would be that they went thru the Cumberland Gap into Kentucky. You have to understand that Tennessee (then it was NC) was settled in the eastern bit, then it went from Nashville on the Cumberland back to the east. This was because of the fighting with the Indians. So Cumberland Gap was the route used during that time, but of course by 1800, the Indians had been run out so perhaps a different route was used. I would say up to about late 1790s the Gap would be the way. Now....if your ancestor was moving from PA, etc. to KY....then the Ohio River valley was used. Mary

My old Webster has for plantation: 1: a usu. large group of plants and esp. trees under cultivation 2: a settlement in a new country or region : COLONY < PLYMOUTH PLANTATION 3 a: a place that is planted or under cultivation b: an agricultural estate usu. worked by resident labor under central direction. My ancestor in his will which he wrote in 1838, he died in 1843 and will was proved then....he said "the plantation on which I now live I give...." Well, as near as I can figure, it was around 225 acres more or less. I think plantation is just an early name - used especially in the south - for a family farm. This man did not have that much land, and he had no slaves, so he and his sons apparently had farmed it on their own. Mary

Hi Paulette, Thanks for the input on my George Washington question, you've helped get me on track and I think placed my George Washington RUDD in the right time and for the right place. By the way are you researching TANNER from SC or FL? PS. Yes, I can see how art and math work together... right brain-left brain..lol Thanks again for taking time to help me out, Linda

Just wanted you all to know how very much I'm enjoying these on-going stories. I have a large file of Charles Wyly notes. Now my files are filling more quickly. Jerry, Jim, Charles - and all others who favor us with this wonderful history - thank you!! Dorothy Lowe Pleasanton, Texas Coffee wrote: > My great great grandfather Rev. Joshiah Blanton (1808-1876) married Sarah > L.Westbrook of Fannin County Texas, had a son named Elijah H. that was > killed in Gonzales Texas during the Sutton-Taylor Feud. .He is memorialized > on Rev.J. Blanton's monument in the Porter Cemetery in Fannin County. The > inscription reads: " Son Eli Blanton, 1845-1867, Died in in Gonzales, > Texas. A Soldier in Christ". Whatever than means. Was Eli a lay-preacher > with a gun? Reverend Joshiah Blanton and Reverend J.G. Hardin were > Methodist circuit rider preachers in Fannin County when John Wesley Hardin > was born. Rev. Blanton's daugther, Nancy, was John W. Hardin's nanny until > they Hardin family left the county and moved to Moscow, Texas. > > Colonel John Henry Damron married Nancy Blanton in Sept.12, 1872 and > migrated to the Turkey Peak area in Brown County, which was about 10 miles > southwest of Comanche, Texas. Nancy's brother, Zacariah T. "Zack" > Blanton (1849-1943) also migrated from Fannin County to the Blanket Texas > community, 10 miles west of Comanche, Texas in 1872. Is it thought that > John W.Hardin stopped overnight at either the Damron or the Blanton home to > rest his horse when the posse was pursuing him after the Webb killing in > July, 1874. Hardin resumed his flight after a gun battle the next morning > through the Williams Ranch Community near present day Mullin, Texas and > south through Austin, San Antonio to Gonzales, Texas. > > Jerry Coffee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Monday, May 21, 2001 10:44 AM > Subject: [SouthernTrails] John Wesley Hardin > > >John Wesley Hardin was also a school teacher in the Pisga Ridge area of > >Navarro Co, Texas immediately after the Civil War. He was involved in > >the Polk-Bowman fued that was taking place in the southwestern part of > >the county from Pisga Ridge to the Spring Hill area close to Dawson. > >Many Pisga Ridge settlers, including many of my Gleghorn family, > >migrated on to Gonzales, Texas about this time. > > Jim > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >> The 1870 - 1880 cattle drives on the Western and Texas Trails were full > of > >> gunfighters and lawlessness was common. The earlier cattle drives to the > >> east were before the Civil War and did not have the gunfighters that came > >> from the from the aftermath of the Civil War. According to his > biography, > >> the notorious gunfighter John Wesley Hardin joined a cattle drive in > >> Gonzales, Texas and went to Dodge City Kansas along the Western Trail. > The > >> Indians in Oklahoma would charge a "cattle-toll" to the cattlemen in > order > >> to let them cross their lands. John Wesley Hardin killed his share of > >> "Injuns" that were trying to charge a "unauthorized" cattle toll. He > later > >> backed down Wild Bill Hickok in Dodge City when Wild Bill told him to > turn > >> in his guns. I do not agree with some historians that called Hardin a > >> pathological killer. John Wesley Hardin was a merely product of the times > >> after the Civil War. Lawlessness and feuds were rampant in Texas after > the > >> conflict. Amazingly, I can still detect some animosity to this day when I > >> talk to people in the areas involved in the feuds. > >> > >> Hardin and his brother were involved in illegal cattle operations in > Brown > >> and Comanche Counties after John Wesley's trip to Kansas. Hardin's family > >> and some of his cousins moved to Comanche, Texas in 1873. His brother > and > >> his cousins are buried there. Deputy Sheriff Charley Webb was killed by > >> J.W. Hardin in a gunbattle in Comanche in 1874 and is buried in Green > Leaf > >> Cemetery in Brownwood Texas. Hardin eventually served 15 years of a 25 > year > >> sentence in the Texas State Prison in Huntsville for the killing of Webb. > >> The gunfight between Webb and Hardin was to really to settle a old score > >> arising from the Sutton-Taylor Feud in Gonzales, Texas. Deputy Sheriff > Webb > >> was from Brown County and had no authority in Comanche County. > >> > >> Jerry Coffee > > > > > >============================== > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

John Wesley Hardin's horse was named Rondo. He was a fast race horse that Hardin won many horse races. He won a derby in Comanche and the next day he shot Charley Webb. Then he really need a fast horse! Jerry Cofffee ----Original Message----- From: Coffee <j.coff@verizon.net> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] John Wesley Hardin >My great great grandfather Rev. Joshiah Blanton (1808-1876) married Sarah >L.Westbrook of Fannin County Texas, had a son named Elijah H. that was >killed in Gonzales Texas during the Sutton-Taylor Feud. .He is memorialized >on Rev.J. Blanton's monument in the Porter Cemetery in Fannin County. The >inscription reads: " Son Eli Blanton, 1845-1867, Died in in Gonzales, >Texas. A Soldier in Christ". Whatever than means. Was Eli a lay-preacher >with a gun? Reverend Joshiah Blanton and Reverend J.G. Hardin were >Methodist circuit rider preachers in Fannin County when John Wesley Hardin >was born. Rev. Blanton's daugther, Nancy, was John W. Hardin's nanny until >they Hardin family left the county and moved to Moscow, Texas. > >Colonel John Henry Damron married Nancy Blanton in Sept.12, 1872 and >migrated to the Turkey Peak area in Brown County, which was about 10 miles >southwest of Comanche, Texas. Nancy's brother, Zacariah T. "Zack" >Blanton (1849-1943) also migrated from Fannin County to the Blanket Texas >community, 10 miles west of Comanche, Texas in 1872. Is it thought that >John W.Hardin stopped overnight at either the Damron or the Blanton home to >rest his horse when the posse was pursuing him after the Webb killing in >July, 1874. Hardin resumed his flight after a gun battle the next morning >through the Williams Ranch Community near present day Mullin, Texas and >south through Austin, San Antonio to Gonzales, Texas. > >Jerry Coffee > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> >To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Monday, May 21, 2001 10:44 AM >Subject: [SouthernTrails] John Wesley Hardin > > >>John Wesley Hardin was also a school teacher in the Pisga Ridge area of >>Navarro Co, Texas immediately after the Civil War. He was involved in >>the Polk-Bowman fued that was taking place in the southwestern part of >>the county from Pisga Ridge to the Spring Hill area close to Dawson. >>Many Pisga Ridge settlers, including many of my Gleghorn family, >>migrated on to Gonzales, Texas about this time. >> Jim >> >>------------------------------------ >> >>> The 1870 - 1880 cattle drives on the Western and Texas Trails were full >of >>> gunfighters and lawlessness was common. The earlier cattle drives to the >>> east were before the Civil War and did not have the gunfighters that came >>> from the from the aftermath of the Civil War. According to his >biography, >>> the notorious gunfighter John Wesley Hardin joined a cattle drive in >>> Gonzales, Texas and went to Dodge City Kansas along the Western Trail. >The >>> Indians in Oklahoma would charge a "cattle-toll" to the cattlemen in >order >>> to let them cross their lands. John Wesley Hardin killed his share of >>> "Injuns" that were trying to charge a "unauthorized" cattle toll. He >later >>> backed down Wild Bill Hickok in Dodge City when Wild Bill told him to >turn >>> in his guns. I do not agree with some historians that called Hardin a >>> pathological killer. John Wesley Hardin was a merely product of the times >>> after the Civil War. Lawlessness and feuds were rampant in Texas after >the >>> conflict. Amazingly, I can still detect some animosity to this day when I >>> talk to people in the areas involved in the feuds. >>> >>> Hardin and his brother were involved in illegal cattle operations in >Brown >>> and Comanche Counties after John Wesley's trip to Kansas. Hardin's family >>> and some of his cousins moved to Comanche, Texas in 1873. His brother >and >>> his cousins are buried there. Deputy Sheriff Charley Webb was killed by >>> J.W. Hardin in a gunbattle in Comanche in 1874 and is buried in Green >Leaf >>> Cemetery in Brownwood Texas. Hardin eventually served 15 years of a 25 >year >>> sentence in the Texas State Prison in Huntsville for the killing of Webb. >>> The gunfight between Webb and Hardin was to really to settle a old score >>> arising from the Sutton-Taylor Feud in Gonzales, Texas. Deputy Sheriff >Webb >>> was from Brown County and had no authority in Comanche County. >>> >>> Jerry Coffee >> >> >>============================== >>Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >>Source for Family History Online. Go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> > > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

My great great grandfather Rev. Joshiah Blanton (1808-1876) married Sarah L.Westbrook of Fannin County Texas, had a son named Elijah H. that was killed in Gonzales Texas during the Sutton-Taylor Feud. .He is memorialized on Rev.J. Blanton's monument in the Porter Cemetery in Fannin County. The inscription reads: " Son Eli Blanton, 1845-1867, Died in in Gonzales, Texas. A Soldier in Christ". Whatever than means. Was Eli a lay-preacher with a gun? Reverend Joshiah Blanton and Reverend J.G. Hardin were Methodist circuit rider preachers in Fannin County when John Wesley Hardin was born. Rev. Blanton's daugther, Nancy, was John W. Hardin's nanny until they Hardin family left the county and moved to Moscow, Texas. Colonel John Henry Damron married Nancy Blanton in Sept.12, 1872 and migrated to the Turkey Peak area in Brown County, which was about 10 miles southwest of Comanche, Texas. Nancy's brother, Zacariah T. "Zack" Blanton (1849-1943) also migrated from Fannin County to the Blanket Texas community, 10 miles west of Comanche, Texas in 1872. Is it thought that John W.Hardin stopped overnight at either the Damron or the Blanton home to rest his horse when the posse was pursuing him after the Webb killing in July, 1874. Hardin resumed his flight after a gun battle the next morning through the Williams Ranch Community near present day Mullin, Texas and south through Austin, San Antonio to Gonzales, Texas. Jerry Coffee -----Original Message----- From: Jim <coach@Hillsboro.net> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, May 21, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: [SouthernTrails] John Wesley Hardin >John Wesley Hardin was also a school teacher in the Pisga Ridge area of >Navarro Co, Texas immediately after the Civil War. He was involved in >the Polk-Bowman fued that was taking place in the southwestern part of >the county from Pisga Ridge to the Spring Hill area close to Dawson. >Many Pisga Ridge settlers, including many of my Gleghorn family, >migrated on to Gonzales, Texas about this time. > Jim > >------------------------------------ > >> The 1870 - 1880 cattle drives on the Western and Texas Trails were full of >> gunfighters and lawlessness was common. The earlier cattle drives to the >> east were before the Civil War and did not have the gunfighters that came >> from the from the aftermath of the Civil War. According to his biography, >> the notorious gunfighter John Wesley Hardin joined a cattle drive in >> Gonzales, Texas and went to Dodge City Kansas along the Western Trail. The >> Indians in Oklahoma would charge a "cattle-toll" to the cattlemen in order >> to let them cross their lands. John Wesley Hardin killed his share of >> "Injuns" that were trying to charge a "unauthorized" cattle toll. He later >> backed down Wild Bill Hickok in Dodge City when Wild Bill told him to turn >> in his guns. I do not agree with some historians that called Hardin a >> pathological killer. John Wesley Hardin was a merely product of the times >> after the Civil War. Lawlessness and feuds were rampant in Texas after the >> conflict. Amazingly, I can still detect some animosity to this day when I >> talk to people in the areas involved in the feuds. >> >> Hardin and his brother were involved in illegal cattle operations in Brown >> and Comanche Counties after John Wesley's trip to Kansas. Hardin's family >> and some of his cousins moved to Comanche, Texas in 1873. His brother and >> his cousins are buried there. Deputy Sheriff Charley Webb was killed by >> J.W. Hardin in a gunbattle in Comanche in 1874 and is buried in Green Leaf >> Cemetery in Brownwood Texas. Hardin eventually served 15 years of a 25 year >> sentence in the Texas State Prison in Huntsville for the killing of Webb. >> The gunfight between Webb and Hardin was to really to settle a old score >> arising from the Sutton-Taylor Feud in Gonzales, Texas. Deputy Sheriff Webb >> was from Brown County and had no authority in Comanche County. >> >> Jerry Coffee > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >