Hi, guess you saw my post about Great Grandad Jasper Newton Carey of Arkansas who married Sarah Stone, dau. of James T. Stone and Sarah Bateman of Flat Creek, Bedford, Tennessee. and buried in Bateman Cemetery, Arkansas. I spent a night or two in a Motel near the hiding grounds of "The Swamp Fox" Frances Marion. He was actually recognized and commisioned by any state or Federal Govt. before the Rev. War. One , a French officer, I think wanted to see him , so a scout brought them together in the middle of a snake and alligator swamp, Marion's unifirm was spotless and he astounded his visitor with a well set table with silverware and all and served meat and fruit and vegetables from the swamp. Not sure what the meat was. Don't think his visitor asked. He definitely played a role in the defeat of the British but served without pay and acted mostly on his own. One source has reported that some Arkansas Stones were Long Hunters (Gone trapping & Hunting a long time) with Daniel Boone. Too many things to check out in one lifetime. One cousin said that two of her Stone ancestors were followere and supporters of the Campbell Brothers in the Church of Christ Reformation movement and a third , a Baptist Minister, followed them around debating the Campbells in tents. Several church groups of various kinds had nothing to do with kin who converted to some other churches, just like Jewish families would declare a son dead if he left the faith of his fathers. Remember, a few generations before, churches fighting Churches all over Europe filled the book "Fox's Book of Martyrs". My Sevier ancestors, Hugenot brothers were warned to get out of Paris before the St. Bartholemew's Day Massacre and St. Francis was their brother. a close Kin converted to Catholicism from Hugenot and soon became Henry IV , Burbon (Bourbon?) king of France. Tke care, charles A. Wyly On Wed, 23 May 2001 14:04:48 EDT LEF3D@aol.com writes: > Hey List, > Someone was inquiring about the naming of children after George > > Washington. How many of you have a combination of John Fletcher and > Jasper > Newton in your families? We kept wondering about our Jasper > Fletcher Wingo, > and if those had been family names somewhere. Someone said that > these two > men were well known militia men with Francis Marion, "The Swamp Fox" > of the > Rev. War. I do not know how much is fact or fiction, but the > PATRIOT seems > to have followed the life of Francis Marion pretty closely. > Pat > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Hey List, Someone was inquiring about the naming of children after George Washington. How many of you have a combination of John Fletcher and Jasper Newton in your families? We kept wondering about our Jasper Fletcher Wingo, and if those had been family names somewhere. Someone said that these two men were well known militia men with Francis Marion, "The Swamp Fox" of the Rev. War. I do not know how much is fact or fiction, but the PATRIOT seems to have followed the life of Francis Marion pretty closely. Pat

Thanks all for the input on TANNER. I've been looking for my Fannie Breland Tanner for several years. I think I've found some possible families she could have been from in 1800 - 1810 Barnwell and Beaufort Co. SC but nothing I can confirm. And there are some Tanners in the same Jefferson and Gadsden Co. FL area where she migrated in 1830 with her husband Elias David RUDD, but can't draw a connections... so, please, just keep me in mind as you do your research! Thanks, Linda

Thank you Charles, I printed and will give the information to Margaret. After she checks it out I will let you know if you might be kin to my kin. His name was Clebourne Ramage and lived in San Angelo, TX during the 1960-76 time frame. Was born around 1915-20. He died a few years ago and his wife lives here in Dougherty now. Armenta.........

Hi, in my mom's family records she had some Stone records gatherred by Grace Ramage Livingston and she was calling Stones and Careys kin. Also, Hawthorne Ramage had a farm in Erath and/or Bosque county , Texas . His son Jewell farmed with him ant was American Legion or VFW commandedr in Hico, Hamilton county, Texas. Teh Ramage farms were in the Black Stump Valley on the Duffau Creek watershed and one 40 acre field was on top of a flat top mountain- had a very tricky road to get there.We and they were raising Hairy Vetch in Speltz Wheat as a fertilizer- nitrogen fixer and only 2 or 3 counties in Texas can raise it for seed and save the seed to sell to others who plow it under green for fertilizer. I never dreamed I might be kin to some in Erath County of mom's Arkansas roots who she and dad knew in Texas. Not sure mom and dad did- farmers during WW2 were too busy to worry about records and distant kin. Dad was only related by marriage with roots in other areas. Jewell moved to the Red River Valley and He or some kin are back in the Hico area. I think one E mail said his mother, Hawthorne married a Laney, sister to Cal Laney. Another Ramage family run an appliance store in Colorado City, Texas and he said he had Arkansas roots and seemed to know some of the Texas Black Stump Valley Ramages. Grace Ramage Livingstone called Nancy Elizabeth Stone Carey "Aunt Sis and Aunt Liz", so, if Grace was not a Carey descendant she was a Stone descendant. Jasper Newton Carey b. 1848, Henderson County Tenn. d. 9/20/1882 in Nashville, Ark. he M. Nancy Elizabeth Stone b. 11/5/1851 d.11/5/1851 in Bedford Tenn. d. 11.1951 in Huckaby , Texas- second husband J.T. Lewis. Nancy and Jasper were my great grandparents. Jasper's brother was wounded at the Civil War Battle of Pea Ridge , Ark. and laid amopng corpses for 3 days before a burial detail saw him move. He recoverred and kept books for his daughter's store near Pine Mountain, Ark. Mom once lived in Pea Ridge, Texas. If you want exact dates and more info I will take a little more time and get some specifics. Take care, Charles A. wyly On Tue, 22 May 2001 22:45:02 -0500 "armenta" <armenta@brightok.net> writes: > Charles, which Ramage family are you talking of. How are you related > to them, and where are they located. My brother is married to a > Ramage. It is an unusual name. > > Armenta....... > > Charles, Thank you for the information about the Wire Road. I find > it useful. > > Armenta............ > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

As far as I know none of my Tanner relatives ended up in Texas. I have them pretty well covered present > 1750ish. Unless one of them snuck off from the rest of the clan....which is possible. There were some Gypsy Tanners as well as Mungeleon...all short, dark, and even red-headed. AS yet no one has been able to find a spouse for Saml. Tanner b. abt. 1744, Duplin (?) co., NC. There is an Indian in the mix somewhere...may be his wife or mother or father or??? Interesting, Saml. served in the Rev.War from North Hampton County, VA. (verified), then is in the 1790 Duplin Co., census. I have no idea why anyone thinks he was born in Duplin. Apparently the man got around!! Thanks for the "trail" information. I do need to make a chart showing the verified information that I have. Then maybe match up to the obvious trails. *paulette* in SunnyFlorida (but cloudy today) Tanner-Newton-Glover-Wilkens p.s. Does anyone have the URL for the PAF at Ancestry.com?? thnx

Thanks for the information. Fawn

Sara: Thank you very much for the information about the Wire Road through MO, AR and on into TX. And, Thank you for the address for the book. I will order one soon. Armenta......

Charles, which Ramage family are you talking of. How are you related to them, and where are they located. My brother is married to a Ramage. It is an unusual name. Armenta....... Charles, Thank you for the information about the Wire Road. I find it useful. Armenta............

Hi, I had problems with the old Family Tree 2.0by Banner Blue, but it is now owned by Broderbund . The old one was slow on a 24 Meg Packard Bell- not enough memory to do everything. Matel then bought them out and now Broderbund puts it out. I would not reccomend running it less than 36 Megs. I now have a 64 Meg 10 gig machine which runs FTM version 7 and I love it- it has a greatly expanded set of choices and will print out a complete family history with notes and photos, as well as several other choices of printouts. Thjis set comes with 20 CD indexes of immigration, Census, birth, marriage, U.S. and International, Military, Social Security, land, and researched Family Trees, and ship passenger lists with access to 2 Billion names. I have not even loadad all discs, as one can work from disc instead of memory as needed. Have not had enough time. This is marked by the printer as a $500.00 value and it was less than $70.00 at Wallmart on a special sale. If I were starting from scratch I would get a 128 Meg. 20 gig machine from Dell or Compaq or an Apple Imac I used several others at school and in Waco libraries and he newest Imacs are the fastest I have ever used for running the Internet and family research. I found more about my Hatchett (Indentured servant) ancestors and Farley (His owner) ancestorsof Jamestown in 3 hours than I have ever found on a Microsoft program in other machines. My FTM program will go directly on line to Salt Lake City for a small fee, but I have not needed to do that. They are not accurate on some Mecklenburg county records- as we were told by a Dallas Public Library Geneaologist in a workshop. Take care Charles A. Wyly P.S. Windows 3.1 did a lousy slow job with FTM and other programs- Windows 95 was better, and I loved Microsoft Bob, but it took too much room. Windows 98 and FTM has choices I did not have with older machines and will even print your cover sheet and, with one command print all you have in a very neat format with no cutting, pasting, or separate note typing. Charles Wyly On Tue, 22 May 2001 19:53:10 -0500 skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> writes: > I have got family tree maker also and despise it. My cousin and I > worked on > our family TREE together and I can't get hers or mine to even be > able to > browse. > My husband did my TERRY family and I have to go to his computer to > find my own > name. > > katharan plemmons wrote: > > > Hi Sandy.. > > > > I have Family Tree and can't get it to work, either...LOL..but I > downloaded > > the free PAF program from Ancestry.com and it is wonderful....I > have never > > had any problems with it... > > > > Katharan > > > > >I enjoy this list very much. Could someone please tell me if > there is a > > >free > > >simple genealogy software program I can download. I purchased > Family Tree > > >but can't seem to get it to work. Thanks Sandy > > > > > > > > >============================== > > >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > Celebrate > > >your heritage! > > >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I do know that Tiana Rogers is buried at Fort Gibson, Okla. National Cemetery. B. Mitchell >

I have used Family Tree Maker for about ten years and find it easy to use. The internet search features are especially useful. Am I missing something by not trying other programs? from George L. Weaver gweaver@cgemc.com >>> flintlock@kcnet.com 05/22/01 08:43PM >>> I have got family tree maker also and despise it. My cousin and I worked on our family TREE together and I can't get hers or mine to even be able to browse. My husband did my TERRY family and I have to go to his computer to find my own name. katharan plemmons wrote: > Hi Sandy.. > > I have Family Tree and can't get it to work, either...LOL..but I downloaded > the free PAF program from Ancestry.com and it is wonderful....I have never > had any problems with it... > > Katharan > > >I enjoy this list very much. Could someone please tell me if there is a > >free > >simple genealogy software program I can download. I purchased Family Tree > >but can't seem to get it to work. Thanks Sandy > > > > > >============================== > >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > >your heritage! > >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

To any of you who are interested, I have a program called Brother's Keeper. I have tried other programs, but this one works best for me. You can got to the Brother's Keeper page and down load a copy as share ware and try it for free. If you want the full version, it can be ordered. It does not cost all that much, under $50.00. The full version will do just about anything you could ask for. John Steed is the person who did this program and if you need an answer, he is there and will help. All you have to do is ask. Who could ask for more? The only interest I have in this program is that I love it and can get help if I need it. Catherine

Hi, sarah, sounds like the Wire road may have actually followed the old Indian "Pig Trail" , used to drive pigs from the Red River and Broken Bow to Mena to Fort Smith and on to Great Lakes Indian Traders. I suspect that John or Jesse Chisum of Broken Bow drove his Oklahoma cattle alone this route to Illinois, but did he drive to an Illinois Rail head or to a slaughterhouse which supplied the North Illinois market. He farmed in season and slowly turned to Trail driving for a time. This bears more research, but it may be after our reunion May 30 th. I had several Ancestors in Arkansas and Missouri. in Arkansas- james T. Stone of Flat Creek, Bedford, Tenn married Sarah Bateman in or near Batesville, arkansas and is buried in Bateman Cemetery. Others of his line are Carey, Copeland, Hipp,Ramage, Winn, and related families. From Missouri were Kings, Moxley, Fleming, Ogan, Crockett and kin. Gov. King was a Sevier cousin of Great Grandad. Crocketts were not kin to my knowledge, but they settled all over Erath County , 1866 to 1890' Take care, charles A. Wyly On Tue, 22 May 2001 16:58:24 -0500 "Sara D" <sara.d@townsqr.com> writes: > Hi, Armenta. I have a copy of "Down the Wire Road, In the Missouri > Ozarks" > by Fern Angus. > > Here is a paragraph from the book, "The Telegraph Road which passed > through > the Missouri Ozarks was a military project, and was designed to > improve > communications during the Civil War. The road began at Jefferson > Barracks, > St. Louis, Missouri and continued to Ft. Smith, Arkansas Territory." > I note > that present day Lincoln county is north of St. Louis and a little > west of > the Mississippi. > > In her research, Ms Angus found a letter from a Mr. Ruggles in the > Western > Union Telegraph Company's library. Western Union bought the lines > from The > Missouri & Western Telegraph Company who had the Missouri franchise, > 1859, > to build and operate lines [note the plural] west of the Mississippi > River > and who had strung lines to Springfield, Missouri. This Mr. Ruggles > talked > of the line work, which he had joined at Syracuse, crossed the Osage > River > at Warsaw, on to Jefferson City, to Springfield. Another gang went > from > there to work on the line to Ft. Smith. It is possible the military > wire > road just followed the Western Union Road. Because this is the > area of my > research, I haven't checked any other books that may cover other > lines. > > As an aside, she noted that after the Civil War, "Wounds, both real > and > imagined, were kept alive along the Missouri-Arkansas border longer > than at > any other place in the nation. It is estimated that 1,000 military > actions > took place in the area which became known as 'No-man's land'." > Your relatives passed through this area, possibly, at a still > hostile time. > > She also talks and traces Indian trails, the Trail of Tears and the > Butterfield Stage Route in that part of the country. There are a > few maps. > > I will do lookups. Please be sure to put WIRE ROAD in the subject > line or > your message could be deleted unread, 'cause I sometimes get in a > hurry. > > If you would like your own copy, you can get it direct from Fern > Angus, P.O. > Box 305, Marionville, MO. 65705. My copy is from the second > printing, > August, 1993, and I forget what it cost, but seems it was $10 or > $15. Hope > this is of some use to you. Sara > > > You wrote: <snipped> > > Could some one tell us a little about the WIRE ROAD that runs > through > Missouri. Where it began and where it ends? > > > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

I have got family tree maker also and despise it. My cousin and I worked on our family TREE together and I can't get hers or mine to even be able to browse. My husband did my TERRY family and I have to go to his computer to find my own name. katharan plemmons wrote: > Hi Sandy.. > > I have Family Tree and can't get it to work, either...LOL..but I downloaded > the free PAF program from Ancestry.com and it is wonderful....I have never > had any problems with it... > > Katharan > > >I enjoy this list very much. Could someone please tell me if there is a > >free > >simple genealogy software program I can download. I purchased Family Tree > >but can't seem to get it to work. Thanks Sandy > > > > > >============================== > >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > >your heritage! > >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Hi Sandy.. I have Family Tree and can't get it to work, either...LOL..but I downloaded the free PAF program from Ancestry.com and it is wonderful....I have never had any problems with it... Katharan >I enjoy this list very much. Could someone please tell me if there is a >free >simple genealogy software program I can download. I purchased Family Tree >but can't seem to get it to work. Thanks Sandy > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi, much of the early colonies was divided into Districts before being carved into counties. Old Pendleton District where my ancestor Col. Ben Cleveland was judge crossed some of 4 states. Kentucky and Tennessee was considerred Territory South of The Ohio with William Blount of Knoxville as appointed Governor. His secretary was his Brother Willie- two distinct brothers. Largest early Scotch Irish & German county was Mecklenburg County in 1700's in parts of 4 o 5 states with two Courthouses0 one had a fire which destroyed some records. Tennessee was everything north of the Tennessee River across Mississippi and Alabama, and a survey in appx. 1800 cut the present boundary. The first written Constitution on the mainland U.S. was the Watauga Defense Association Compact , written by Col. John Sevier in the total absence of support and aid from Virginia and Carolina East Coast Politicians. The English Episcopalians , with records in deep water ports churches, not courthouses wanted protection from Indians but only if land was the reward, not cash for Military support. The Cherokke Indian Nation also had a written constitution recorded by Sequoya, a Seminole . in the Cherokee language and alphabet. The Mayflower Compact was written aboard ship, not in the mainland, and was technically illegal as it contradicted their contract to the Bank of England to live in a common Great House and share all things in common until the bankwas paid. Dan Rather was not there each day or they all would have in prison for violation of contract and British law. But that is more than you asked, sorry. Charles A. Wyly On Tue, 22 May 2001 16:01:35 EDT JavaKittee@aol.com writes: > Mary et al....I just seem to be having the worst time!!! Would it be > correct > to assume that I should get my candy grabbers on a map of Duplin > Co., NC...as > well as KY...for the time frame of 1744-1800? I'm sure Duplin > wasn't even a > county then, so I should find which county it was and search that > one?? Maps > from that era are not easy to find as you probably already know. > Here's a > good question: when recording the information, would it be correct > to list > each county...the original, then the later? thanks.... > *Paulette* in Sunny Florida (sipping a very icey tea) > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hi, many of my ancestors and friends came Calloway county, Mo. to Selden, Texas as did the former Governor augustus King's family, who came to Stephenville. Many are buried in Stephenville &Indian Creek, (Pleasant Hill or Chigger Hill. I suspect if your family were not in East Missouri they could have followed the general route of I-e5 into Denton County and west into Wise County. Some could have floated their own raft boats or paid passage on Mississippi steamers to Natchitoches and came to Texas via Fort Jessup, La. and Nacodoches, Texas, but that seems a little out of the way. Indian problems were less likely on the Mississippi. They could have also come south on the Prehistoric Pig Trail, which is a Federal park from Mena, Arkansas to Broken Bow , Oklahoma on the Ouachita Mountain ridge road, then across the Red River to Paris or Canton, Texas, depending on flood conditions. This route would come by `Wall Mart Country or Simponsville to Fort Smith, Ark to Mena, or by boat from White River or Arkansas River to port of Van Buren- Fort Smith. or Tahlequah, Indian Territory (Not Okla. then.) Sometimes water routes were safer and easier even though longer than going through mud holes and bogs and hostile Indian territoryThe road down the Arkansas border today south is one of the most dangerous in the U. s. today with steep hills, trucks, and narrow right of way with no passing zones and trucks. , even since the bypass in 1990's which eliminated "Dead Man's Curve". I would have not wanted to bring a coverred wagon through there , even with more expensive breast Yoke head to tail with straps around the horse's rear,Hips below Krupper Strap area alway the way to an iron or oak Neckyolk at the front of the wagon tongue . /from Simpsonville to Fort Smith or Mena seems a reasonable . Some Arkansas Razorback football fan should know the old routes, which, in Texas were near presently used Federal Highways. The above wagons would have needed more expensive drag brakes on Rear wheels operated by a lever by the Driver's seat. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Tue, 22 May 2001 14:56:18 -0500 "armenta" <armenta@brightok.net> writes: > Could some one tell us a little about the WIRE ROAD that runs > through Missouri. Where it began and where it ends? > > My Akers / Netherland Family left Troy, Lincoln County, MO in 1871 > for Crofton, Wise County, TX. I would like to know about any trail > they would have used to get from MO to TX.. Another family by the > name of Armstrong left Troy, MO with them, I think. The Netherland's > and the Armstrong's, no relation that I know of, are buried in the > Troy Cemetery in Johnston County, OK > > Appreciate your help. > > Armenta........... > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Hi, Armenta. I have a copy of "Down the Wire Road, In the Missouri Ozarks" by Fern Angus. Here is a paragraph from the book, "The Telegraph Road which passed through the Missouri Ozarks was a military project, and was designed to improve communications during the Civil War. The road began at Jefferson Barracks, St. Louis, Missouri and continued to Ft. Smith, Arkansas Territory." I note that present day Lincoln county is north of St. Louis and a little west of the Mississippi. In her research, Ms Angus found a letter from a Mr. Ruggles in the Western Union Telegraph Company's library. Western Union bought the lines from The Missouri & Western Telegraph Company who had the Missouri franchise, 1859, to build and operate lines [note the plural] west of the Mississippi River and who had strung lines to Springfield, Missouri. This Mr. Ruggles talked of the line work, which he had joined at Syracuse, crossed the Osage River at Warsaw, on to Jefferson City, to Springfield. Another gang went from there to work on the line to Ft. Smith. It is possible the military wire road just followed the Western Union Road. Because this is the area of my research, I haven't checked any other books that may cover other lines. As an aside, she noted that after the Civil War, "Wounds, both real and imagined, were kept alive along the Missouri-Arkansas border longer than at any other place in the nation. It is estimated that 1,000 military actions took place in the area which became known as 'No-man's land'." Your relatives passed through this area, possibly, at a still hostile time. She also talks and traces Indian trails, the Trail of Tears and the Butterfield Stage Route in that part of the country. There are a few maps. I will do lookups. Please be sure to put WIRE ROAD in the subject line or your message could be deleted unread, 'cause I sometimes get in a hurry. If you would like your own copy, you can get it direct from Fern Angus, P.O. Box 305, Marionville, MO. 65705. My copy is from the second printing, August, 1993, and I forget what it cost, but seems it was $10 or $15. Hope this is of some use to you. Sara You wrote: <snipped> Could some one tell us a little about the WIRE ROAD that runs through Missouri. Where it began and where it ends?

I am researching early Indian traders who were in Cherokee territory (probably Tennessee) in the 1770s. I am specifically looking for a John Rogers, who was my ancestor, and the troublesome part of the research is that there appear to have been two John Rogers in and among the Cherokee at the same time. One is the father of Tiana or Diana Rogers, wife of Sam Houston. I haven't found as much information on the other one. Does anyone happen to know of a good book or online resource that might help me in my research? Someone once told me traders had to be licensed, but it seems to me this might come later, after the Revolutionary War. Any help would be appreciated! Fawn Kennedy Dessy