Jacki, I would like to know more about your Patterson family. My husband's grandfather was a Patterson. We have his line back to earlier Pattersons in NC, then SC, and before that "The Colonies". His grandfather was John Calvin Patterson, born in TX, 1879, then John Withrow Patterson, born in NC, 1839, then Robert Patterson, born NC, abt 1812, James Patterson, 1784, York Co., SC, Robert, 1755, "The Colonies" Sincerely, Dortha McElroy Greenlee

Hi, in the 1960's when I was Principal and teacher & bus driver in Walnut Springs I.S.D. , Bosque County we had 1 or 2 Strouds in school there Their dad was the foreman of Charles Pettit's Flat Top Ranch. , some also in Erath County. Mr. Pettit's son in law , a Major Long owned the Rough Creek Ranch, partially in Erath County. They had excerllent deer and Antelope hunting, the Antelope pasture being around the Flt Top Mountain- an Indian landmark. James Grady Roberts was head foreman and Mr. Stroud was second in the management team. Mr. Stroud also deliverred Registerred Hereford bulls as far as California in a 10 wheel trailer truck and even climbed Pike's Peak with it, much to the shock of the Park Rangers on the Peak. They kept Saying "You can't do that"> He just said "I did", The Stroud boy in school was an athlete in spite of a mangled calf of one leg. As a small boy, he was helping his dad and others throwing bulk hay and feed into a conveyor and grinder. He slipped and started down the Conveyor down towards the grinder and grabbed an overhead bar, as one leg bounced on the Conveyor elt until they could grab him and pull him out. Seems his sister was Barbara, if my memory is right. Oshoa was not around back then. If you look up the name in Texas records, watch out for the German Strauch being confused with Stroud. Henry Strauch (Hank Stroud) was a 6 man football coach there and at Covington, Aquilla, and Bynum Texas. He was Supt. at Aquilla;. All in Texas. and was still coaching last year, often taking 9 to 12 boys on a 6 man football team to Regional Championships. The Strauch, Sonnenburg, Hoker, Degner, Lehamn and other Germans all lived near Bynum and Malone, Texas with New Braunfels, Boerne ,Comfort Sisterdale, and other Hill country Texas German roots but all came straight from Germany to Fayette County, Texas to a Sons of Herman ( Hermanson) Lodge plantation and relocated into the area from Austin to San Angelo to San Antonio, then they spread all over Texas, even to the George Bush Ranch area at Crawford, Texas. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 12:21:10 EDT JSAMACGL@aol.com writes: > > > In Southern -Trails-D Digest V 01 # 74, Mr Charles Wyly recounts a > story > about his family in Atlanta, GA before they migrated to Texas. His > knowledge > seems limitless! I am wondering if he has family notes on any of my > family > lines, some of whom were in business in Atlanta during this same > period as > the Wylys: The Morris, Patterson, and Stroud families all (I > believe) > migrated from South Carolina and Va. I may have missed previous > migration > routes that were published in this forum. > Sincerely, > Jacki Stewart McGlamory > > "Do not ask for a weak load but ask for a strong back." > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

In Southern -Trails-D Digest V 01 # 74, Mr Charles Wyly recounts a story about his family in Atlanta, GA before they migrated to Texas. His knowledge seems limitless! I am wondering if he has family notes on any of my family lines, some of whom were in business in Atlanta during this same period as the Wylys: The Morris, Patterson, and Stroud families all (I believe) migrated from South Carolina and Va. I may have missed previous migration routes that were published in this forum. Sincerely, Jacki Stewart McGlamory "Do not ask for a weak load but ask for a strong back."

but yes it is strange,that he seems to be related to sOOOO many of us---thats what its all about tho right,makin the connections---maybe we could revive PsychicRoots

Who can help with families below?? What happened to Jay and Irene?? What happened to Lorene and Veraloyce?? Did William and Annie die in Arizona or New Mexico?? Any info about Marietta "Etta" appreciated lots, ie: What was her maiden name?? Did she die in Oklahoma/when? Not positive parents names for John David Ledford William and Sarah. Descendants of John David Ledford Generation No. 1 1. JOHN DAVID7 LEDFORD (WILLIAM C6, FREDERICK5, WILLIAM4, FREDERICK3, HENRY2, WILLIAM1) was born August 16, 1870 in Mo., and died February 15, 1938 in Commerce, Tx. Hunt Co.. He married (1) MARIETTA ? 1892 in ?. She was born October 1874 in Indian Territory, and died Aft. 1900. He married (2) NORA J. HARPER August 07, 1905 in Hunt Co. Tx, daughter of JESS HARPER and ELIZABETH PRIM. She was born October 30, 1865 in Maury Co. tn, and died December 09, 1944 in Hunt Co. Tx.. More About JOHN DAVID LEDFORD: Fact 1: Living Cass Co. Tx 1900&Etta was Mother of 3 children but only 2 living 1900. Notes for MARIETTA ?: She had twins and died. Mother of 3 children 1900 but only 2 living. More About MARIETTA ?: Fact 1: Father b Il & Mother b Ar. Children of JOHN LEDFORD and MARIETTA ? are: 2. i. WILLIAM EDWARD8 LEDFORD, b. March 1895, Indian Territory; d. AZ?. ii. JAY D. LEDFORD, b. July 1900, Tx; m. IRENE ?; d. NM?. Generation No. 2 2. WILLIAM EDWARD8 LEDFORD (JOHN DAVID7, WILLIAM C6, FREDERICK5, WILLIAM4, FREDERICK3, HENRY2, WILLIAM1) was born March 1895 in Indian Territory, and died in AZ?. He married ANNIE LEE HARRIS August 13, 1919 in Phoenix, Az., Maricopa Co.. She was born 1900, and died in AZ?. More About WILLIAM EDWARD LEDFORD: Fact 1: AKA Ed Children of WILLIAM LEDFORD and ANNIE HARRIS are: i. LORENE9 LEDFORD, b. Abt. 1921, Ca. ii. JOHN HARRIS LEDFORD, b. May 16, 1924, Tx.; d. April 22, 1986, Tucson, Az. Notes for JOHN HARRIS LEDFORD: This may be J. R. Ledford...... THIS John Harris Ledford died Tuesday, 04 22 1986 at the Veterans Administration Hospital in Tucson. Was born in Tx 05 16 1924 and moved to Arizona when he was 9 years old. He was a carpenter for Phelps Dodge Corp for 20 years. Was a U S Army veteran of WWII and a past commander and member of American Legion Post #16 and the VFW. A memorial service was held at the American Legion Hall on Wednesday, 04 23 1986 with Harry Mitchell officiating. Arrangements by Dugan Funeral Chapel of Bisbee, Arizona. per obit Thursday, Apr 24, 1986. Bisbee Review More About JOHN HARRIS LEDFORD: Fact 1: or possibly J. R. Ledford Fact 2: moved to Arizona cir 1933 Resided: Bisbee, AZ 85603 iii. VERALOYS LEDFORD, b. Abt. 1926, ?.

Hi Everyone. I'm new to the list and have a question I'm hoping someone can answer for me. I'm researching John Sammons, born 1797. He is shown on the 1840 Franklin County, Tennessee census at age 43. Then we find him in Walker County, Georgia in the 1850 census, age 53; then he and many of the Sammons family show up in Randolph County, Arkansas in the 1860 census, age 63. It seems unusual to me that he would move from Tennessee to Georgia and then back west to Arkansas. Anyone know of similar migration patterns and what may have prompted such moves? Thanks for any light you can shed on my puzzle. Sandy Sammons Simmons

Hello List, I would love to know how copies of such passports might be found. Has anyone been successful in obtaining copies? Thanks ===== Phyllis Frameli POINTer #4554 ICC #427 layne@mississippi.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Armenta... The only passports through Indian Territory that I know about were those from the area of the Carolinas through northern Alabama and Georgia to the south part of Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi, and other southern and western areas, and they ended about 1820. Bess

The List: If my GG-grandparent's William and Martha Maria Price, Netherland left Wise County, Texas for Mill Creek, Johnston County in the Chickasaw Nation about 1882-84 Would they have needed Passports to enter TheTerritory? If so, where do you think they applied for them? Their daughter Mary Catherine and husband Hugh Henry Akers, my G-grandparent's went to Monk, Carter County, IT about 1892. And, If my GG-grandmother, Francis Levenia Smithhart, Gibson, Bassette and three of her sons went to Okemah, Okfuskee County in the Creek Nation from Wise County, Texas about 1886-88 what area do you think they traveled to get there? One daughter went to McAlester, one went to Wewoka and my G-grandparent's James L.L. and Mary Elizabeth Crow, Gibson went to Ara, Carter County, IT in 1887. Thanks, Armenta.............

did you see this? I think we must somehow be related to Charles Wyly. He just keeps turning up in all the right places!

Stephenville, Erath County, Texas, home of Tarleton State University of the Texas A&M University System. The north end of the county was the site of 14 or more high grade Coal mines and immigrants brought in by Texas Pacific Coal and Oil Company and Acme Brick , and immigrants , mostly short, were brought in on the TP Railroad - Fort Worth to California. Many were naturalized in Stephenville. John L. Lewis was busy helping run his first strike of his career there. There were 10,000 or more miners plus women and kids and Brick yard workers there in Company houses. They struck for a Dollar a Day raise and the town is a Ghost Town today with 2 busineses open and Historic Smokestack and markers. The town was once fenced with Barb Wire and Texas Rangers were sent to keep peace during one strike. Some claim that the town and con artists and fruit and vegetable peddoers outside the Company and chicken and egg peddlers and Liquor Store and Bar Workers in Adjoining Mingus, Palo Pinto County brought the total to nearer 30,000 total. Stephenville had an Italian Opera House.Many came from Eastern States for mining, then moved all directions. There was a Catholic Italian Church and Priest and an Irish Catholic Church and Priest,and some mainstream Protestant church buildings all company owned. When oil was struck in Hogtown (Desdemona), Texas and neighboring Ranger, Texas, Eastland County, the workers were told that their $1.00 per day raise would cause the Railroad to start pumping oil into California bound trains for fuel , so everyone was given a 30 day notice that rent was due or vacate the premisis . Newcastle, north of Thurber, had one shaft and their mines closed also. Up the tracks about 40 miles on the RR and on I-20- old U.S.80- the Bankhead Highway- was Eastland and Cisco, Eastland County, where a young Conrad Hilton, who came during the oil boom and bought the present Hilton Hotel - his first- now part museum, where he could charge abpove $20.00 for an 8 hour shift sleeping in beds in hallways- Rooms were rented to wealthy investors or a group of men. Next county west, wasCallahan County where a young Baird High School Student, Howard Johnson, skipped school an hour or two on many days and sold cheese and baloney sandwiches and fruit to the Passengers who streched their legswhile the train took on water. On top of the Ranger Hill at Clyde, Texas, near Abilene was deep sand and shallow water and the RR brought in Czech , Polish, and Slovak truck farmers and orchard workers to produce fruit and vegetables for the RR dining cars. Todayit is a good place to raise kids if you work in Abilene. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:43:58 EDT MAW334@aol.com writes: > Stephenville ? (which state) > Mary Avary Whittier > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hi, I have read some about them in 2 books, I think, One was THE TRAIL OF TEARS Actually there were as many Trails as Tears during Indian removal as there were groups to be moved, all directions Another is another called CHEROKEE SUNSET. As to where theites are someone in the last year listed the site.on Southern Trails. I The Georgia Governor wrote the passports , so I would suppose that each Governor wrote the Passports. New Echota, Ga., not Nancy Ward's Old Echota was the Ga. Capitol of the 5 Civilized Cherokee Tribes. This land sometimes crossed State Lines. Try State of Georgia - Atlanta, and other State Capitols and ask them wnere they are kept today. Happy Hunting, Charles A. Wyly On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:33:16 -0400 (EDT) dandbcooper@webtv.net (Deborah Cooper) writes: > I have enjoyed everyone's tales of passages from north to south and > east. I find the passports through Indian Territory interesting. > Can > someone go into more detail? Where do we find the paperwork for > these > passports? the National Archives? Thanks for any info. > > Deb Cooper > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Concerning passports through Indian Territory... Try... http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/ Click Shop at Our Bookstore Click on Begin Shopping Click Here United States Georgia You will find two pamphlets listed concerning early passports.. Passports Issued by Governors of Georgia, 1785 to 1809 Passports Issued by Governors of Georgia, 1810 to 1820

Stephenville ? (which state) Mary Avary Whittier

In a message dated 6/1/01 12:35:45 PM !!!First Boot!!!, dandbcooper@webtv.net writes: << I find the passports through Indian Territory interesting. Can someone go into more detail? Where do we find the paperwork for these passports? the National Archives? Thanks for any info. >> Same here. My folks were in Alabama in 1809. Betty.

I have enjoyed everyone's tales of passages from north to south and east. I find the passports through Indian Territory interesting. Can someone go into more detail? Where do we find the paperwork for these passports? the National Archives? Thanks for any info. Deb Cooper

In a message dated 6/1/01 2:43:26 AM !!!First Boot!!!, wyly1@juno.com writes: << Did you know of Paul Higginbotham of Stephenville? >> I don't, but will forward post to my daughter. Her grandmother was Lillie Mae Higginbotham who first married a Moss and after he died she married Dr. Dorman - a dentist in Myrtle, MS. She was the post master in Myrtle. I think she died in 1954 - there abouts. Betty.

Hi, Betty, Did you know of Paul Higginbotham of Stephenville? The courthouse annex now sits where his clothing, hardware, furniture, and funeral store were. Stephenville Funeral on the loop moved from there, Paul had brothers and their Corporate offices were and are in Comanche, Texas- the Comanche store and Cross Plains store are still open . On the Rolling Plains- Sweetwater area and High Plains, from Ralls, Texas to other rural towns the stores were calledd Higginbotham- Bartlett lumber and hardware (Building materials) I understand it was the same Higginbotham families with a Bartlet added to the partnership. Dad used to stand on the sidewalk and talk to Paul. In the early days a store like theirs was also a combination Bank vault for customers and finance Company. In Stephenville they also had the International Harvester Truck and tractor (Farmalls) dealerships. Farmers with good credit or work records could charge whatever what was needed to make a crop and pay hen the grain or cotton harvest was winding down. Paul, in 1940's was very upset that the State wanted to widen the Us. 67 & 377 through downtown- as the downtown merchants would loose business. Dad told him that if they stopped them from widening the road , There would be a loop built around Town and they would loose all out of town and some local Business. It happened. Also, Tarleton State Univ. Refused to let them move John Tarleton's monument and Grave or give up any campus for a wider road. Gone by then were the Cage & Crow Bank and Wyly Mercantile store, (Of the A.C. & B.F. Wyly Wholesale Grocery Warehouse at 4 th and Pryor in downtown Atlanta, Ga.) until 1890 until more of the family came to Texas. The Atlanta store still stands. A photo of it is in the Book "Yesterday's Atlanta", with the local delivery Teamsters standing in their wagons to get through Atlanta traffic easier. No, Sherman did not burn that building. And, I will bet you that the Black workers and Teamsters were taught to read and write, or how could they fill orders and read the street signs and handle the bookkeeping? Some of them today live in Rivierra Beach, Florida, not on dryland hardscrabble Texas farms. In case of a severe drought, the customers sold off cattle for which they were running out of feed and grass and pay the Hardware , grocery, and Cox's Department stores as far as it went. In early Texas at one time Banks were illegal and many wills were kept in store vaults, , a service fort heir customers. A major political issue in many State and National elections was the issue of Banks and not properly registerred securities and bonds. Only 3 of the Privately owned- family owned banks still exist, under a "Grandfather" Clause. A 4 th , the LeRoy Bank, McLennan County (Waco area) went under - not Federally insured on Deposits. Customers, after a year or so, collected around 10 cents or less on the dollar. Rumors say a family member vacationed in Switzerland or Grand Caymans and had bank accounts there. Take Care, Charles A. Wyly. On Thu, 31 May 2001 07:18:05 EDT BMoss69893@aol.com writes: > Is there a web site dealing with north east Mississippi? My daughter > is > researching the Moss and Higginbotham families who settled in > Myrtle, New > Albany and Ripley areas. Thanx. Betty. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

t If you're interested in early Southwest Mississippi, you might try... http://www.rootsweb.com/~msswterr/

Wondering if anyone has any knowledge of the "Southwest Mississippi Territory" ? I came across the 1792 Spanish Census of the Natchez District of the Mississippi Territory. Or would this question best be addressed to a different list? thanks...*paulette* in Sunny Florida / researching: Tanner-Wilkins-Newton-Glover