Hi, most folk do not realize the Delta land between Mississippi and Arkansas is some of the richest in the world- or at least the U.S. Rice is and was a common crop around Hempstead,,Ark. and was or is sewn from an airplane. A man at Church Sunday said it was strange to see Rice hitting your windshield like rain. Mom was born in Hope, Ar. & 2 of her grandparents- Sarah Copeland and Charles Hiopp, were from Clinton, S.C. During the recent flood on Miss. one local reporter said on TV that there was a time in the past that rice and cotton farmers watched each other across the River- Arrk. to Miss and Tenn. as some had been of sending bombs across the River ina flood to blow a hole in the opposite levee to save their own fields. Naw, Not in America??? Take care, Charles A, Wyly On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 09:30:34 -0400 Harold Miller <hlm@qtm.net> writes: > I have seen a pattern of TN to AL to AR. The reasons: The families > had > come into what is today TN sometime around the Rev. from either > Shenandoah > Valley of Virginia (having moved from places such as Pennsylvania) > to TN, or > the pattern of coming from North Carolina into TN (many have begun > in > Maryland). So say 1790s to 1810 they were in TN. The the War of > 1812 came > and many of the men went with Jackson on one of his expeditions, > moving thru > what is today Alabama and Mississippi. I guess they really liked > the land, > cause you see a lot of them between 1815 - 1818 moving south. Often > some of > the family stayed in Tennessee. Georgia was also an area some moved > to. > They were going for free land to a new area. > > The move to Arkansas - many people were there in 1820s, but a big > migration > began ca 1834-1835. This would be to the North Western corner of > Arkansas. > The land was owned I am told by the Cherokees Indians, but they > thought the > land was useless so did not live there. The few Indians there were > Choctaw > - seems they had been beaten by the Cherokees and their land taken > over. So > the Choctaw lived in bluff areas which no one else wanted. Anyway, > sometime > around 1834 the goverment purchased NW Arkansas from the Cherokees > and > opened it up for white settlement. Between that date into the early > 1850s, > many families made the move, although most were there by ca 1840. > Some who > had moved to Arkansas ca 1829 would also moved into the new area. > All you > had to do was pick out your land, and become a "squatter", no money > needed. > My family did not buy their land till the mid 1840s, so they lived > on it > several years before they purchased it. This of course helped young > families just starting out who had no money. > > I have found when the families coming out of VA or NC got to > Tennessee, some > stayed there, some to KY and on to Indiana and Illinois, and some > south. > But mid 1830s many of them from all the areas met again in NW > Arkansas. For > example, you find Spurlock in TN, KY, AR. Hancock, Strickland and > Reavis/Reeves in Illinois and Alabama moving to AR. And so on. So > the same > family which had split in TN, some going north and some south, would > meet up > again in Arkansas. > > Later, after the war in 1865, many southern Union families would > make the > move to NW Arkansas for a new start. Arkansas was giving away land, > it > wanted settlers. > > So it was the usual reasons, land being the major one. > > Just as later, many of these ARkansas families would move to > Oklahoma and > Texas. You know the Frencher family was I think from Boone Co > AR....(or > maybe Carroll). They were among those killed in the Mountain Meadow > Massacre - guess they were on their way to California. > > I was very surprized when I began to find the same families in > Tennessee, > Alabama, Illinois and Arkansas. The movement back and forth was > also a big > surprise. I remember the first time I found a couple of extra women > in AR > census, to later learn they were relatives from Tennessee. Also, > remember > that these men traveled all over the place. One who was born in TN > might > marry in IL and turn up in AR, then as an old man move with grown > children > to Texas and die there. > > Mary > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hi, Quite a few in Erath County, Texas also. I remember Vernon Kimbrough. , barely. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 07:46:29 EDT BMoss69893@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 6/4/01 5:50:23 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > historybuff123@hotmail.com writes: > > << Nace RUSSELL married Eleanor KIMBROUGH. Her family was one of > the first > Revolutionary families in the state and built forts to protect the > settlers > from indians >> > > There are a lot of Kimbroughs in north Alabama - Tuscumbia area. > Betty. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hi, I hae known a Wylie from Grosebeck for several years. He used to be a security guard in Houston , then for the last few years he drive from Grosebeck to Waco daily to be a substitute teacher inb the Waco Schools, and expected to be put on full time. A year ago I was told he took a long term sub's position at Waco High but no one has seen him since . He told me he had as much Cherokee blood as Scotch- Irish and had studied the similarity between Celtic and Eastern Indians and thought they were very similar. Someone had contacted him- not sure who- LDS missionary or a Tribal member, or who about a possible hereditary disease found in his lineage. Whatever it was, he said he did not have it. With some Cox families of Texas the disease is PKD Kidney disease, which can kill one quickly after age 40 if the doctor does not diagnose early symptoms early enough, then it may be treatable. This Wylie has cousins in Mount Calm (Pronounced by some natives as "Mount Caalm". He told me one day he thought someone in his family had changed from Wyly or Wiley to Wylie. I have not ever seen but one posssible person who did this and she soon married , dropping any form of Wyly- Wylie- Wiley-Wylly-Wyllys- Wyllis or other dimunitives of William the Conqueror, but I have seen some records of Wyly before King William The Conqueror. Several Quaker Wylys were in Ireland and Scottish Clan Gunn And McKethan. He also said that one of the Jesse James imposters had lived in Grosebeck and the old man was another who shot a chicken's eye out from a running horse.when his wife needed chicken for supper. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 01:47:06 -0400 "Tory Braden" <historybuff123@hotmail.com> writes: > My gggg-grandfather, Ignatius [Nace?] RUSSELL, b1779 SC, was a line > carrier > with a survey team that went into AL/MS at the turn of the 19th > century > which was, of course, GA at the time. His daughter Mary Ann Russell > McGEE > born 1803 always insisted that she was born in AL to every census > taker. > Ah, but where I would like to know. > > Georgia was bursting at the seams with pioneers who wanted to get > across the > Oconee River[near Milledgeville, Baldwin Co.; Putnam Co, Hancock Co, > Clarke > Co, Warren Co, etc]. Main indian trails followed the ridges and > river and > became the Federal Road. In 1795 the scandal of the Yazoo Land > Fraud > started. It took 20 years before the Supreme Court finalized the > mess, but > Yazoo lands were of early interest to everyone in the newly founded > country. > > Nace RUSSELL married Eleanor KIMBROUGH. Her family was one of the > first > Revolutionary families in the state and built forts to protect the > settlers > from indians, and the KIMBROUGHs and REESES supported Elijah Clarke > in his > unsuccessful attempt, short-lived thanks to the Feds, to create the > first > break-off Republic [yes, even before Goliad & TX]. They were land > hunters > and speculators all, and before the turn of the 18th century were > thinking > that the Feds were going too slow in letting the settlers cross the > Oconee > for literal greener pastures [in the immediate case, Putnam County, > home to > be of Joel Chandler Harris, Uncle Remus]. > > This is the connection I can make as to WHY Nace Russell went into > MS > territory, but WHERE is what I would like to find out. They ended > up back > in GA, Butts Co for 1830 census, and he is buried in Troupe Co. GA, > 1857 on > the AL stateline. The rest of the families down the line , by then > REESE > and WYLIE, kept moving west as land opened up [and the indians had > to leave] > in GA and AL. The biggest migration came after the War Between the > States, > during Reconstruction when they moved to East TX: Navarro, Limestone > and > Mexia Counties. > > I would like to know: what was the attraction? Was it that > Reconstruction > was less harsh in TX? LaGrange, Troupe Co, GA survived the war > itself > pretty much intact. Lowndes Co, AL [smack between Montgomery and > Selma] > faired less well because it was Gen. Braxton Bragg's home county. I > > understand the Yankees were pretty retaliatory against it [my own > theory as > to why that AL Black Belt [called that for its earth went for Jim > Crow in > such a big way once they were allowed to vote again @1895, I think.] > > As an aside, the WYLIEs from Lowndes Co., AL opened a bank in > Oakwood, TX > and it is one of the only family owned banks still left in the > country. > Oscar WYLIE was my gg-grandfather; it was his son [an uncle] who > opened the > bank. Oscar Wylie was a justice of the peace in Groesbeck. I > cannot for > the life of me imagine how they had so much money after the war > [buried the > silver with the dead?] to even get to TX, especially if they were > having > their GA/AL land confiscated by carpetbaggers and scalawags; this > included > the REESES in Navarro Co, but Wm. Lewis Reese was a doctor so would > always > have a way to survive. > > To sum up: Where would the English/Scotch-Irish Americans go in > early AL/MS > besides Natches? Was TX so much better off after the war that it > warrented > such mass movement? Any comments or additions, anyone? > > Tory Braden, > St. Simons, GA > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Mine are from Virginia to Wilkes County, Georgia, Jones County, Georgia, and then Butts County, Georgia by the middle 1820's. from George L. Weaver gweaver@cgemc.com >>> Dgreen909h@cs.com 06/04/01 03:05PM >>> George, Are your Weavers from Weaverville, NC near Ashville? Dortha McElroy Greenlee ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

George, Are your Weavers from Weaverville, NC near Ashville? Dortha McElroy Greenlee

Tory: I read with interest your account of your RUSSELL family in Georgia. I have just started my search for my ancestor, Malissa Russel(l), who family records show as having been born in Georgia (county is not known)in 1831. I know nothing about her ancestry. However, she married John Green, we have gingerly assumed to be in Georgia, prior to 1850, and based upon family records, it appears they moved around a bit, including to Alabama and Mississippi. Might my Malissa tie in to your RUSSELL family. Since you live in Georgia and I am in a small California town, do you have any suggestions on where I might start my search? Thanks, Fawn Kennedy Dessy

The Old Alabama Road through Butts County, Georgia started at Seven Islands Community on the Ocmulgee River and continued west to the Alabama line. It terminated in Columbus, Georgia if my memory is correct. It was south of the McIntosh Trail in Butts County. The road went through "The Rough" section of Butts County and also through "Alabama" in western Butts County. from George L. Weaver gweaver@cgemc.com >>> SStrick645@aol.com 06/04/01 01:04PM >>> There is an Old Alabama Road through Cherokee County, Georgia. Is that part of the one you mention? Researching - Coggins, Lingefelt, Fricks, Wehunt, Strickland, Mason, Taylor, Hefner and Gable and others from NC and GA. Sandy ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

There is an Old Alabama Road through Cherokee County, Georgia. Is that part of the one you mention? Researching - Coggins, Lingefelt, Fricks, Wehunt, Strickland, Mason, Taylor, Hefner and Gable and others from NC and GA. Sandy

The Old Alabama Road transgressed Butts County, Georgia from the Ocmulgee River to the western boundary near the community of Patillo. Parts of the location are known but much of the route is not clear. Any help with the location will be appreciated. from George L. Weaver gweaver@cgemc.com

It seems to me that the South REALLY suffered after the War. My families were all farmers but after the war they could not pay the taxes and had to give up their land and move to the towns and cities. 99 percent of my family ended up working in the mills in Columbus, GA and Phenix City, AL. I guess the other alternative would have been to move on west if they wanted to stay on the land. Sandy Granmommy Jeremiah 29:11 Quixtar Independent Business Owner Future Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America.

My Coffee family migrated from Tennessee to the Damron Survey in Fannin County Texas in 1855. John Henry Dameron was given a 640 acre land grant by the Republic of Texas in 1838 on the requirement that he would go back to Nashville and bring settlers to the area. The Orangeville Community is located in the middle of the Damron Survey. That is where my great grand father settled, got married and survived the War of Southern Independence. Federal taxes took the land after the war and he migrated to the Texas frontier. Jerry Coffee. ----Original Message----- From: Harold Miller <hlm@qtm.net> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:32 AM Subject: [SouthernTrails] TN/GA/AR >I have seen a pattern of TN to AL to AR. The reasons: The families had >come into what is today TN sometime around the Rev. from either Shenandoah >Valley of Virginia (having moved from places such as Pennsylvania) to TN, or >the pattern of coming from North Carolina into TN (many have begun in >Maryland). So say 1790s to 1810 they were in TN. The the War of 1812 came >and many of the men went with Jackson on one of his expeditions, moving thru >what is today Alabama and Mississippi. I guess they really liked the land, >cause you see a lot of them between 1815 - 1818 moving south. Often some of >the family stayed in Tennessee. Georgia was also an area some moved to. >They were going for free land to a new area. > >The move to Arkansas - many people were there in 1820s, but a big migration >began ca 1834-1835. This would be to the North Western corner of Arkansas. >The land was owned I am told by the Cherokees Indians, but they thought the >land was useless so did not live there. The few Indians there were Choctaw >- seems they had been beaten by the Cherokees and their land taken over. So >the Choctaw lived in bluff areas which no one else wanted. Anyway, sometime >around 1834 the goverment purchased NW Arkansas from the Cherokees and >opened it up for white settlement. Between that date into the early 1850s, >many families made the move, although most were there by ca 1840. Some who >had moved to Arkansas ca 1829 would also moved into the new area. All you >had to do was pick out your land, and become a "squatter", no money needed. >My family did not buy their land till the mid 1840s, so they lived on it >several years before they purchased it. This of course helped young >families just starting out who had no money. > >I have found when the families coming out of VA or NC got to Tennessee, some >stayed there, some to KY and on to Indiana and Illinois, and some south. >But mid 1830s many of them from all the areas met again in NW Arkansas. For >example, you find Spurlock in TN, KY, AR. Hancock, Strickland and >Reavis/Reeves in Illinois and Alabama moving to AR. And so on. So the same >family which had split in TN, some going north and some south, would meet up >again in Arkansas. > >Later, after the war in 1865, many southern Union families would make the >move to NW Arkansas for a new start. Arkansas was giving away land, it >wanted settlers. > >So it was the usual reasons, land being the major one. > >Just as later, many of these ARkansas families would move to Oklahoma and >Texas. You know the Frencher family was I think from Boone Co AR....(or >maybe Carroll). They were among those killed in the Mountain Meadow >Massacre - guess they were on their way to California. > >I was very surprized when I began to find the same families in Tennessee, >Alabama, Illinois and Arkansas. The movement back and forth was also a big >surprise. I remember the first time I found a couple of extra women in AR >census, to later learn they were relatives from Tennessee. Also, remember >that these men traveled all over the place. One who was born in TN might >marry in IL and turn up in AR, then as an old man move with grown children >to Texas and die there. > >Mary > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

I have seen a pattern of TN to AL to AR. The reasons: The families had come into what is today TN sometime around the Rev. from either Shenandoah Valley of Virginia (having moved from places such as Pennsylvania) to TN, or the pattern of coming from North Carolina into TN (many have begun in Maryland). So say 1790s to 1810 they were in TN. The the War of 1812 came and many of the men went with Jackson on one of his expeditions, moving thru what is today Alabama and Mississippi. I guess they really liked the land, cause you see a lot of them between 1815 - 1818 moving south. Often some of the family stayed in Tennessee. Georgia was also an area some moved to. They were going for free land to a new area. The move to Arkansas - many people were there in 1820s, but a big migration began ca 1834-1835. This would be to the North Western corner of Arkansas. The land was owned I am told by the Cherokees Indians, but they thought the land was useless so did not live there. The few Indians there were Choctaw - seems they had been beaten by the Cherokees and their land taken over. So the Choctaw lived in bluff areas which no one else wanted. Anyway, sometime around 1834 the goverment purchased NW Arkansas from the Cherokees and opened it up for white settlement. Between that date into the early 1850s, many families made the move, although most were there by ca 1840. Some who had moved to Arkansas ca 1829 would also moved into the new area. All you had to do was pick out your land, and become a "squatter", no money needed. My family did not buy their land till the mid 1840s, so they lived on it several years before they purchased it. This of course helped young families just starting out who had no money. I have found when the families coming out of VA or NC got to Tennessee, some stayed there, some to KY and on to Indiana and Illinois, and some south. But mid 1830s many of them from all the areas met again in NW Arkansas. For example, you find Spurlock in TN, KY, AR. Hancock, Strickland and Reavis/Reeves in Illinois and Alabama moving to AR. And so on. So the same family which had split in TN, some going north and some south, would meet up again in Arkansas. Later, after the war in 1865, many southern Union families would make the move to NW Arkansas for a new start. Arkansas was giving away land, it wanted settlers. So it was the usual reasons, land being the major one. Just as later, many of these ARkansas families would move to Oklahoma and Texas. You know the Frencher family was I think from Boone Co AR....(or maybe Carroll). They were among those killed in the Mountain Meadow Massacre - guess they were on their way to California. I was very surprized when I began to find the same families in Tennessee, Alabama, Illinois and Arkansas. The movement back and forth was also a big surprise. I remember the first time I found a couple of extra women in AR census, to later learn they were relatives from Tennessee. Also, remember that these men traveled all over the place. One who was born in TN might marry in IL and turn up in AR, then as an old man move with grown children to Texas and die there. Mary

In a message dated 6/4/01 5:50:23 AM !!!First Boot!!!, historybuff123@hotmail.com writes: << Nace RUSSELL married Eleanor KIMBROUGH. Her family was one of the first Revolutionary families in the state and built forts to protect the settlers from indians >> There are a lot of Kimbroughs in north Alabama - Tuscumbia area. Betty.

In a message dated 6/4/01 5:49:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!, historybuff123@hotmail.com writes: << To sum up: Where would the English/Scotch-Irish Americans go in early AL/MS besides Natches? >> My folks came into Madison County, AL in 1809 from VA by way of 3 counties in KY. This was 10 years before Alabama became a state. They migrated from there to Franklin Co., AL and settled in Newburg. Gen. John Coffee was surveyor general of the state. My g-g-g-grandfather, Stewart Jackson who lived in Center Star, Lauderdale Co., AL was also a surveyor working under John. Stewart married a neice of John. They had a son who was a chain bearer. Read somewhere, can't ever remember where, that the land in VA was wearing out. That folks migrated because they needed more land to support family and slaves. I always thought the "Black Belt" was so named for the rich land in that part of the state. According to the book "Letters from Alabama 1817 - 1822" by Anne Royall. " HUNTSVILLE It takes its name from a man called Captain Hunt, who built the first cabin on the spot, where the Court House now stands, in 1802." Anne Royall was America's first female journalist. Very interesting book. I checked it out at the library. Betty.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CA4A66E89C58D93D53848E69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > Hello, all, do any of you have info on the church above? A Teacher and > Minister's wife told me about it. She was raised in that area. and > several Erath County citizens came fron the area. > Story goes that they took their corn by muleback in liquid for in jugs > and the Church house was built on the pledges from the income of 40 > gallons of Whiskey. To a Texan this sounds very wierd, as some Texas > Baprtist Churches in 1920's refused members who sold or abused whiskey. > Most did use it for medicinal purposes and antiseptic and mix honey in it > for cough medicine. > > Take Care, > Charles A. Wyly > In 1945, my parents bought a restaurant in a small, very "dry", Georgia Bible Belt town. That spring (Easter, I think) Dad prepared a special Sunday dinner that included a large bowl of thoroughly spiked punch. Working as a waiter, I had many requests for seconds on the punch from those good Baptists and Methodists --- and not one complaint. Jim Blease --------------CA4A66E89C58D93D53848E69 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="leds.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jim Blease Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="leds.vcf" begin:vcard n:; x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 end:vcard --------------CA4A66E89C58D93D53848E69--

My gggg-grandfather, Ignatius [Nace?] RUSSELL, b1779 SC, was a line carrier with a survey team that went into AL/MS at the turn of the 19th century which was, of course, GA at the time. His daughter Mary Ann Russell McGEE born 1803 always insisted that she was born in AL to every census taker. Ah, but where I would like to know. Georgia was bursting at the seams with pioneers who wanted to get across the Oconee River[near Milledgeville, Baldwin Co.; Putnam Co, Hancock Co, Clarke Co, Warren Co, etc]. Main indian trails followed the ridges and river and became the Federal Road. In 1795 the scandal of the Yazoo Land Fraud started. It took 20 years before the Supreme Court finalized the mess, but Yazoo lands were of early interest to everyone in the newly founded country. Nace RUSSELL married Eleanor KIMBROUGH. Her family was one of the first Revolutionary families in the state and built forts to protect the settlers from indians, and the KIMBROUGHs and REESES supported Elijah Clarke in his unsuccessful attempt, short-lived thanks to the Feds, to create the first break-off Republic [yes, even before Goliad & TX]. They were land hunters and speculators all, and before the turn of the 18th century were thinking that the Feds were going too slow in letting the settlers cross the Oconee for literal greener pastures [in the immediate case, Putnam County, home to be of Joel Chandler Harris, Uncle Remus]. This is the connection I can make as to WHY Nace Russell went into MS territory, but WHERE is what I would like to find out. They ended up back in GA, Butts Co for 1830 census, and he is buried in Troupe Co. GA, 1857 on the AL stateline. The rest of the families down the line , by then REESE and WYLIE, kept moving west as land opened up [and the indians had to leave] in GA and AL. The biggest migration came after the War Between the States, during Reconstruction when they moved to East TX: Navarro, Limestone and Mexia Counties. I would like to know: what was the attraction? Was it that Reconstruction was less harsh in TX? LaGrange, Troupe Co, GA survived the war itself pretty much intact. Lowndes Co, AL [smack between Montgomery and Selma] faired less well because it was Gen. Braxton Bragg's home county. I understand the Yankees were pretty retaliatory against it [my own theory as to why that AL Black Belt [called that for its earth went for Jim Crow in such a big way once they were allowed to vote again @1895, I think.] As an aside, the WYLIEs from Lowndes Co., AL opened a bank in Oakwood, TX and it is one of the only family owned banks still left in the country. Oscar WYLIE was my gg-grandfather; it was his son [an uncle] who opened the bank. Oscar Wylie was a justice of the peace in Groesbeck. I cannot for the life of me imagine how they had so much money after the war [buried the silver with the dead?] to even get to TX, especially if they were having their GA/AL land confiscated by carpetbaggers and scalawags; this included the REESES in Navarro Co, but Wm. Lewis Reese was a doctor so would always have a way to survive. To sum up: Where would the English/Scotch-Irish Americans go in early AL/MS besides Natches? Was TX so much better off after the war that it warrented such mass movement? Any comments or additions, anyone? Tory Braden, St. Simons, GA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

My gggg-grandfather, Ignatius [Nace?] RUSSELL, b1779 SC, was a line carrier with a survey team that went into AL/MS at the turn of the 19th century which was, of course, GA at the time. His daughter Mary Ann Russell McGEE born 1803 always insisted that she was born in AL to every census taker. Ah, but where I would like to know. Georgia was bursting at the seams with pioneers who wanted to get across the Oconee River[near Milledgeville, Baldwin Co.; Putnam Co, Hancock Co, Clarke Co, Warren Co, etc]. Main indian trails followed the ridges and river and became the Federal Road. In 1795 the scandal of the Yazoo Land Fraud started. It took 20 years before the Supreme Court finalized the mess, but Yazoo lands were of early interest to everyone in the newly founded country. Nace RUSSELL married Eleanor KIMBROUGH. Her family was one of the first Revolutionary families in the state and built forts to protect the settlers from indians, and the KIMBROUGHs and REESES supported Elijah Clarke in his unsuccessful attempt, short-lived thanks to the Feds, to create the first break-off Republic [yes, even before Goliad & TX]. They were land hunters and speculators all, and before the turn of the 18th century were thinking that the Feds were going too slow in letting the settlers cross the Oconee for literal greener pastures [in the immediate case, Putnam County, home to be of Joel Chandler Harris, Uncle Remus]. This is the connection I can make as to WHY Nace Russell went into MS territory, but WHERE is what I would like to find out. They ended up back in GA, Butts Co for 1830 census, and he is buried in Troupe Co. GA, 1857 on the AL stateline. The rest of the families down the line , by then REESE and WYLIE, kept moving west as land opened up [and the indians had to leave] in GA and AL. The biggest migration came after the War Between the States, during Reconstruction when they moved to East TX: Navarro, Limestone and Mexia Counties. I would like to know: what was the attraction? Was it that Reconstruction was less harsh in TX? LaGrange, Troupe Co, GA survived the war itself pretty much intact. Lowndes Co, AL [smack between Montgomery and Selma] faired less well because it was Gen. Braxton Bragg's home county. I understand the Yankees were pretty retaliatory against it [my own theory as to why that AL Black Belt [called that for its earth went for Jim Crow in such a big way once they were allowed to vote again @1895, I think.] As an aside, the WYLIEs from Lowndes Co., AL opened a bank in Oakwood, TX and it is one of the only family owned banks still left in the country. Oscar WYLIE was my gg-grandfather; it was his son [an uncle] who opened the bank. Oscar Wylie was a justice of the peace in Groesbeck. I cannot for the life of me imagine how they had so much money after the war [buried the silver with the dead?] to even get to TX, especially if they were having their GA/AL land confiscated by carpetbaggers and scalawags; this included the REESES in Navarro Co, but Wm. Lewis Reese was a doctor so would always have a way to survive. To sum up: Where would the English/Scotch-Irish Americans go in early AL/MS besides Natches? Was TX so much better off after the war that it warrented such mass movement? Any comments or additions, anyone? Tory Braden, St. Simons, GA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

My gggg-grandfather, Ignatius [Nace?] RUSSELL, b1779 SC, was a line carrier with a survey team that went into AL/MS at the turn of the 19th century which was, of course, GA at the time. His daughter Mary Ann Russell McGEE born 1803 always insisted that she was born in AL to every census taker. Ah, but where I would like to know. Georgia was bursting at the seams with pioneers who wanted to get across the Oconee River[near Milledgeville, Baldwin Co.; Putnam Co, Hancock Co, Clarke Co, Warren Co, etc]. Main indian trails followed the ridges and river and became the Federal Road. In 1795 the scandal of the Yazoo Land Fraud started. It took 20 years before the Supreme Court finalized the mess, but Yazoo lands were of early interest to everyone in the newly founded country. Nace RUSSELL married Eleanor KIMBROUGH. Her family was one of the first Revolutionary families in the state and built forts to protect the settlers from indians, and the KIMBROUGHs and REESES supported Elijah Clarke in his unsuccessful attempt, short-lived thanks to the Feds, to create the first break-off Republic [yes, even before Goliad & TX]. They were land hunters and speculators all, and before the turn of the 18th century were thinking that the Feds were going too slow in letting the settlers cross the Oconee for literal greener pastures [in the immediate case, Putnam County, home to be of Joel Chandler Harris, Uncle Remus]. This is the connection I can make as to WHY Nace Russell went into MS territory, but WHERE is what I would like to find out. They ended up back in GA, Butts Co for 1830 census, and he is buried in Troupe Co. GA, 1857 on the AL stateline. The rest of the families down the line , by then REESE and WYLIE, kept moving west as land opened up [and the indians had to leave] in GA and AL. The biggest migration came after the War Between the States, during Reconstruction when they moved to East TX: Navarro, Limestone and Mexia Counties. I would like to know: what was the attraction? Was it that Reconstruction was less harsh in TX? LaGrange, Troupe Co, GA survived the war itself pretty much intact. Lowndes Co, AL [smack between Montgomery and Selma] faired less well because it was Gen. Braxton Bragg's home county. I understand the Yankees were pretty retaliatory against it [my own theory as to why that AL Black Belt [called that for its earth went for Jim Crow in such a big way once they were allowed to vote again @1895, I think.] As an aside, the WYLIEs from Lowndes Co., AL opened a bank in Oakwood, TX and it is one of the only family owned banks still left in the country. Oscar WYLIE was my gg-grandfather; it was his son [an uncle] who opened the bank. Oscar Wylie was a justice of the peace in Groesbeck. I cannot for the life of me imagine how they had so much money after the war [buried the silver with the dead?] to even get to TX, especially if they were having their GA/AL land confiscated by carpetbaggers and scalawags; this included the REESES in Navarro Co, but Wm. Lewis Reese was a doctor so would always have a way to survive. To sum up: Where would the English/Scotch-Irish Americans go in early AL/MS besides Natches? Was TX so much better off after the war that it warrented such mass movement? Any comments or additions, anyone? Tory Braden, St. Simons, GA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hello, all, do any of you have info on the church above? A Teacher and Minister's wife told me about it. She was raised in that area. and several Erath County citizens came fron the area. Story goes that they took their corn by muleback in liquid for in jugs and the Church house was built on the pledges from the income of 40 gallons of Whiskey. To a Texan this sounds very wierd, as some Texas Baprtist Churches in 1920's refused members who sold or abused whiskey. Most did use it for medicinal purposes and antiseptic and mix honey in it for cough medicine. Take Care, Charles A. Wyly

hI, There is a Ledford here in Waco, I know absolutely nothing abotu thi except he runs an Automotive Machine shop and builds up custom racing and stock factory engines. He should be in your Internet Yellow Pages for Waco. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 02:50:12 -0500 Mary Ellen Ledford <ellen@airmail.net> writes: > Who can help with families below?? > > What happened to Jay and Irene?? > What happened to Lorene and Veraloyce?? > Did William and Annie die in Arizona or New Mexico?? > Any info about Marietta "Etta" appreciated lots, ie: What was her > maiden > name?? Did she die in Oklahoma/when? > Not positive parents names for John David Ledford William and Sarah. > > > Descendants of John David Ledford > > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. JOHN DAVID7 LEDFORD (WILLIAM C6, FREDERICK5, WILLIAM4, > FREDERICK3, > HENRY2, WILLIAM1) was born August 16, 1870 in Mo., and died February > 15, > 1938 in Commerce, Tx. Hunt Co.. He married (1) MARIETTA ? 1892 in > ?. She > was born October 1874 in Indian Territory, and died Aft. 1900. He > married > (2) NORA J. HARPER August 07, 1905 in Hunt Co. Tx, daughter of JESS > HARPER > and ELIZABETH PRIM. She was born October 30, 1865 in Maury Co. tn, > and > died December 09, 1944 in Hunt Co. Tx.. > > More About JOHN DAVID LEDFORD: > Fact 1: Living Cass Co. Tx 1900&Etta was Mother of 3 children but > only 2 > living 1900. > > Notes for MARIETTA ?: > She had twins and died. Mother of 3 children 1900 but only 2 living. > > More About MARIETTA ?: > Fact 1: Father b Il & Mother b Ar. > > Children of JOHN LEDFORD and MARIETTA ? are: > 2. i. WILLIAM EDWARD8 LEDFORD, b. March 1895, Indian > Territory; > d. AZ?. > ii. JAY D. LEDFORD, b. July 1900, Tx; m. IRENE ?; d. > NM?. > > > > Generation No. 2 > > 2. WILLIAM EDWARD8 LEDFORD (JOHN DAVID7, WILLIAM C6, FREDERICK5, > WILLIAM4, > FREDERICK3, HENRY2, WILLIAM1) was born March 1895 in Indian > Territory, and > died in AZ?. He married ANNIE LEE HARRIS August 13, 1919 in > Phoenix, Az., > Maricopa Co.. She was born 1900, and died in AZ?. > > More About WILLIAM EDWARD LEDFORD: > Fact 1: AKA Ed > > Children of WILLIAM LEDFORD and ANNIE HARRIS are: > i. LORENE9 LEDFORD, b. Abt. 1921, Ca. > ii. JOHN HARRIS LEDFORD, b. May 16, 1924, Tx.; d. > April 22, > 1986, Tucson, Az. > > Notes for JOHN HARRIS LEDFORD: > This may be J. R. Ledford...... > > THIS John Harris Ledford died Tuesday, 04 22 1986 at the Veterans > Administration Hospital in Tucson. Was born in Tx 05 16 1924 and > moved to > Arizona when he was 9 years old. He was a carpenter for Phelps > Dodge Corp > for 20 years. Was a U S Army veteran of WWII and a past commander > and > member of American Legion Post #16 and the VFW. > A memorial service was held at the American Legion Hall on > Wednesday, 04 23 > 1986 with Harry Mitchell officiating. Arrangements by Dugan Funeral > Chapel > of Bisbee, Arizona. > per obit Thursday, Apr 24, 1986. Bisbee Review > > > > > > More About JOHN HARRIS LEDFORD: > Fact 1: or possibly J. R. Ledford > Fact 2: moved to Arizona cir 1933 > Resided: Bisbee, AZ 85603 > > iii. VERALOYS LEDFORD, b. Abt. 1926, ?. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >