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This is from a scholarly history list I belong to. I have not read this book, nor any of the others, but they sound of interest to us, especially the maps. Tory Published by H-SHEAR@h-net.msu.edu (June, 2001) David Hackett Fischer and James C. Kelly. _Bound Away: Virginia and the Westward Movement_. Charlottesville, Va: University Press of Virginia, 2000. xvi + 366 pp. Illustrations, maps, bibliography, index. $19.50 (paper), ISBN 0-813-91774-3. $65.00 (cloth), 0-813-91773-5. Reviewed for H-SHEAR by Jay Gitlin <jay.gitlin@yale.edu>, Yale University Old Frontiers It would be best to begin by telling potential readers what this book is and what it is not. This book is an expanded version of an essay the authors wrote to accompany an exhibition catalog (Fischer and Kelly, _Away, I'm Bound Away: Virginia and the Westward Movement_ (Richmond: Virginia Historical Society, 1993)). I have seen an excerpt from that catalog, published in _The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography_ 101:4 (October 1993) under the title "'Good Night Old Virginia': Virginians and Their Cultures Move West," but I have not been able to obtain a copy of the catalog to compare to the book. Nevertheless, I think it is fair to say that the thinking behind the original essay has not changed substantially. A careful examination of the footnotes reveals that the research and reading that informs this book reflects, for the most part, the scholarship available to the authors up until the time that the original essay was published. Unfortunately, that reinforces the somewhat dated feel of some of the authors' arguments. In addition, the text retains the character of an accompaniment, with many short sections within each chapter. Some readers might wish that the authors' observations and claims had been drawn from a more sustained examination of various subjects. On the other hand, the stories and anecdotes gathered here make the book an easy read and are often fascinating and revealing. The book also contains 120 illustrations (including maps). As to the substance of the book, the subtitle of the book deserves clarification. This book is not primarily about Virginians and their cultures in the West, a subject that certainly deserves further work. The authors state in the introduction that their purpose is to "consider successive westward movements from Europe and Africa to Virginia, then the westward movement that happened within Virginia, and finally the westward movement from Virginia to the Mississippi Valley and beyond" (p. 11). That would be a tall order for any book. The chapter that does treat the movement of Virginia's peoples beyond the Old Dominion is the least satisfying in the book. It is reminiscent of Lois K. Mathews' older volume on the _Expansion of New England_ (Boston, 1909), primarily a compilation of names and numbers without much in the way of historical explanation. The authors' true focus is Virginia itself. Their inquiry is bracketed by a consideration of Frederick Jackson Turner. (The original exhibition marked the centennial of Turner's famous paper.) What does the story of Virginia's creation and expansion suggest about the validity of Turner's thesis, and how did the westward movement of men and women, free and enslaved, out of Virginia affect the Old Dominion? Not surprisingly, the first two chapters on the migration to and within Virginia draw from and extend the work of Fisher's _Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America_ (New York: Oxford University Press, 1989). Fischer and Kelly, emphasizing origins over destination, suggest that Virginia's story is one of "cultural persistence" and "continuity in the midst of change" (p. xv). Rejecting both Turner's materialist model of environmental transformation and the idealist model-- Altlandschaft or germ theory--that Turner rebelled against, Fischer and Kelly argue for the "mediating model of _Albion's Seed_: a multiplicity of hegemonic cultures that maintain communications between the core and the periphery and preserve their separate identities by adapting old folkways to a new environment' (306). In Virginia, the frontier produced not a new democratic culture, but a conservative, hierarchical, and inegalitarian society. On that last point, the authors cite the work of scholars such as Nieboer and Domar who argued that an abundance of free land on various world frontiers led more often to unfree labor systems. "Free land alone," Fischer and Kelly observe, "did not create free institutions or slavery." "Institutions and values that regulate access to the land" make the difference (p. 299). None of these ideas are particularly new. The new western historians that the authors rather quickly dismiss in their introduction have long since rejected Turner's environmental determinism and been busy producing books that take cultural origins and contexts quite seriously. Although they acknowledge the new cultural history, Fischer and Kelly do not seem much influenced by it. Readers who found much to criticize in _Albion's Seed_ will have a similar reaction to this book. Though I profited from my reading of Fischer's earlier book, I quickly tired of phrases such as "British border stock" in this book. In Fisher and Kelly's hands, cultural transmission has an old-fashioned essentialist cast, cut off from the flow of historical narrative. (This is less true when the authors are discussing Virginia's great migration and the long tenure of Sir William Berkeley.) The authors also have little use for the work of those scholars who see various American frontiers as "zones of interaction," suggesting that in Virginia, "one culture rapidly established a hegemony which persists to this day" (p. xvi). Be that as it may, there is a lot of history missing here that would help us to understand how that hegemony was achieved. Indian peoples have virtually no place in this book. The nuanced readings of cultural change and continuity on the frontier to be found in books such as James Merrell's _Into the American Woods_ (New York: W.W. Norton, 1999) and John Mack Faragher's _Daniel Boone_ (New York: Henry Holt, 1992) might serve as more useful models for younger scholars. The idea that Turner's thesis may have adequately described the northern expansion into the Midwest, but cannot explain the conservative and inegalitarian conditions to be found on Virginia's frontiers is also an old one. Thomas Perkins Abernethy made similar observations over half a century ago. Recent monographs such as Stephen Aron's _How the West Was Lost_ (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1996) and Woody Holton's _Forced Founders_ (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1999) provide detailed analyses of how frontier conditions in Kentucky and Virginia affected and were managed by elites. Though they reject Turner's thesis, the authors embrace his question: How did an open society develop on the frontier? (Here is the source of their main objection to the new western historians. Fischer and Kelly argue that this "Vietnam-Watergate generation" of historians rejected both Turner's answer and question, preferring to write histories that emphasize "environmental destruction, economic exploitation, social inequality, and cultural disintegration" (p. 10).) Their own answer to Turner's question downplays the frontier environment and substitutes the Toleration Act, "imposed from abroad" (p. 107), and "a union of principle and interest" (p. 105) that drove some land speculators to encourage the immigration of new groups such as the Germans and Scotch-Irish who subsequently expanded in the backcountry. Cultural diversity and toleration, they suggest, then led to "more spacious conceptions of freedom" (p. 107) among Virginians of the Revolutionary era. But in Virginia, the authors note, the notion of freedom included the ability to own slaves. One of the merits of the book is that it includes the story of African migration and African-American westering--voluntary and involuntary. Indeed, chapter 5 includes a fascinating section on "Virginia's African Frontier: Liberia." Here and in a later section on how the profound loss of people and resources to the West impacted the Old Dominion, the authors are at their best. After a wonderful sketch of John Randolph of Roanoke, Fischer and Kelly conclude that westward expansion operated as a safety valve for slavery in various ways and also helped produce a more homogeneous population back home in Virginia. These final Turnerian ironies in place, the authors drive home their main point: As the line from the folk tune "Shenandoah" suggests, "Away ! I'm bound away" best describes the frontier experience in and out of Virginia -- a movement of people bound by cultural traditions and for some, by the shackles of slavery. Copyright (c) 2001 by H-Net, all rights reserved. This work may be copied for non-profit educational use if proper credit is given to the author and the list. For other permission, please contact H-Net@h-net.msu.edu. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Thanks to all who replied about my Russell-Kimbroughs who were in early AL and as the family changed names on into TX. Still would like to know where to find them passports. I apologize for the triple post. The dang contraption acted like it weren't doin' nuthin'; but, of course, was just causin' me embarassment. Sorry if I overloaded anybody with too many bits/bites and what-not. Tory _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Armenta, I was really touched by your email. You really have had your share of problems and you are still going. I am blown away. (No pun intended.) It is great that your family is so long lived. My mother will be 90 at the end of the month. But, her mind is really not functioning anymore to speak of. She still knows us, but has terrible short term memory problems and extreme depressions. I sure hope my mind stays with me to the end. Carole Colquehoun Genealogyresearch@prodigy.net Searching my father's line: Allaman, Breedlove, Broaddus, Calhoun, Carr, Garland, Lowry, Meekins, Mullicane, Noble, Overton, Parr, Sanders, Scott, Strickland, Stump, Webster, Winston, Wright England, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia Searching my mother's line: Hansen, Jensen, Larsen, Milewski, Pedersdatter, Soerensen Denmark, Germany, Nebraska, Poland ----- Original Message ----- From: armenta <armenta@brightok.net> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 05 June, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: [SouthernTrails] Rice and bombs > Well, in this little town of Dougherty, OK, where I live with about 250 others, my birthday brought winds of 93 mph. There is not much left in the way of trees, mobile homes, shingles of all kinds, vehicles, gardens, and barns. We thank God no one was hurt, but he sure left a mess for us to clean up. Damage of millions in a town this size. Deep water is everywhere. Unbelievable, but I see it every day. We looked like Berlin during WW ll , or perhaps after a real mean tornado. > > Things are better now, we have electric power to keep us cool, OG&E to re-set or re-place the poles to thread the lines, food delivery to our store and cafe's, the mail, the tree cutters/surgeons, back-hoes, dozers, and wenches to up-right some of the big trees. I am in good shape. My son and two big boys came from McAlester and my daughter and spouse came from Maud (all military) with chain saws and ropes so my dad and I are in good shape after their two days here. They also cleaned out the food and liquid supply. > > Our cemetery is in awful shape. trees down and some stones damaged. So, I will volunteer my time there. My mother lives with me, can't walk or hear, but she can sit in the car while I work an hour or so twice a day. > > I know this is not History, but it will be some day. I love all the stories and information on Southern Trails but I will be off the list after tomorrow until I get things in order and the town is right again. I just don't have time for the computer with my other duties and I know if the letters come in I will stay on the computer and not get all the chores done. > > Our Family Reunion is in Dougherty the last week-end of September and anyone wanting to attend are certainly welcome, kin or not, we don't care, just happy to have anyone who wants to come. Send your address to armenta@brightok.net and you will receive an invitation in August with details. > > My dad meets everyone with a handshake and a smile. He was 97 in January and still going but will need a Tune-up with the Lord after this reunion to keep going. His father was William Oscar Akers and his mother was Mertie May Gibson of Wise Co, TX , daughter of James L.L. and Mary Elizabeth Crow, Gibson of TX, son of Arthur Bradley and Francis Levenia Smithhart, Gibson of KY and MS, daughter of James Williamson and Cornelia Sevier, Smithhart of SC and MS, daughter of John A. and Mary Daniel, Sevier of MS (?), daughter of Nancy Daniel and (?) of GA. I need help with Nancy and (?). Guess I better quit here. > > Happy Trails, I will return some day soon. > > Armenta................... > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

In a message dated 6/5/01 5:36:27 PM !!!First Boot!!!, armenta@brightok.net writes: << Our cemetery is in awful shape. trees down and some stones damaged. So, I will volunteer my time there. My mother lives with me, can't walk or hear, but she can sit in the car while I work an hour or so twice a day. I know this is not History, but it will be some day. >> My g-g-grandfather founded a church in Newburg, AL in 1824. In 1920 a cyclone - tornado - went through the area. There is a grave plot in the church cemetery of a mother and her 9 children - all killed in that storm. The husband/father was the only survivor of that family. Betty.

I hope you have a cool breeze while you work. I live in Georgia so I can't help but wish you luck in that end ever. Make sure you let us know how the reunion goes when you have it in August. Ann

Armenta, What a tragedy for your little community! We are thankful that God's umbrella was protecting you and your family. You will be missed by the list, hope you can be back soon. God Bless, Pat

I really meant only to comment about the rice from AR. It is the best I have used. So I got off on the storm!! Too many irons in the fire or lack of continuity. Sorry. Armenta.....

Well, in this little town of Dougherty, OK, where I live with about 250 others, my birthday brought winds of 93 mph. There is not much left in the way of trees, mobile homes, shingles of all kinds, vehicles, gardens, and barns. We thank God no one was hurt, but he sure left a mess for us to clean up. Damage of millions in a town this size. Deep water is everywhere. Unbelievable, but I see it every day. We looked like Berlin during WW ll , or perhaps after a real mean tornado. Things are better now, we have electric power to keep us cool, OG&E to re-set or re-place the poles to thread the lines, food delivery to our store and cafe's, the mail, the tree cutters/surgeons, back-hoes, dozers, and wenches to up-right some of the big trees. I am in good shape. My son and two big boys came from McAlester and my daughter and spouse came from Maud (all military) with chain saws and ropes so my dad and I are in good shape after their two days here. They also cleaned out the food and liquid supply. Our cemetery is in awful shape. trees down and some stones damaged. So, I will volunteer my time there. My mother lives with me, can't walk or hear, but she can sit in the car while I work an hour or so twice a day. I know this is not History, but it will be some day. I love all the stories and information on Southern Trails but I will be off the list after tomorrow until I get things in order and the town is right again. I just don't have time for the computer with my other duties and I know if the letters come in I will stay on the computer and not get all the chores done. Our Family Reunion is in Dougherty the last week-end of September and anyone wanting to attend are certainly welcome, kin or not, we don't care, just happy to have anyone who wants to come. Send your address to armenta@brightok.net and you will receive an invitation in August with details. My dad meets everyone with a handshake and a smile. He was 97 in January and still going but will need a Tune-up with the Lord after this reunion to keep going. His father was William Oscar Akers and his mother was Mertie May Gibson of Wise Co, TX , daughter of James L.L. and Mary Elizabeth Crow, Gibson of TX, son of Arthur Bradley and Francis Levenia Smithhart, Gibson of KY and MS, daughter of James Williamson and Cornelia Sevier, Smithhart of SC and MS, daughter of John A. and Mary Daniel, Sevier of MS (?), daughter of Nancy Daniel and (?) of GA. I need help with Nancy and (?). Guess I better quit here. Happy Trails, I will return some day soon. Armenta...................

In a message dated 6/5/01 2:00:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!, wyly1@juno.com writes: << During the recent flood on Miss. one local reporter said on TV that there was a time in the past that rice and cotton farmers watched each other across the River- Arrk. to Miss and Tenn. as some had been of sending bombs across the River ina flood to blow a hole in the opposite levee to save their own fields. Naw, Not in America??? >> Everytime I think I have seen or heard it all, something else comes along. Why not in America? Betty.

I can tell you about one group who left TN for AL 1815-1818. They were all with Jackson during the War of 1812 which ended early 1815. They were back in TN say May or June of 1815....and some of them by that fall were in Alabama. Capt. John Looney and wife Rebekoh Turney arrived St. Claire Co AL 1815....their home is now a museum. Rebekoh's family was from the Smith/Dekalb/Cannon Co area near Liberty TN. But John and Rebekoh had been all over TN, one child was born near Cumberland Gap I know. Rebekoh Looney's brothers - Joseph Turney who married a Mote in TN, and Daniel Watson Turney were in AL at least by 1818. Daniel Watson Turney along with Alfred Gandy were first settlers of Gandy's Cove in Morgan Co AL. They were founders of the first church there in 1818. I think maybe some of the Gilliams might also have made the move to AL. (two Gilliam women married Turney men in TN, but both moved to AR in 1830s). another of the Gilliam sisters was Temperence who married Phillip Klepper/Clepper and that group went to Boone Co AR in 1830s with some of the Turneys. One Gilliam sister went to Alabama - Frances Gilliam married 1801 Rutherford Co tN to John Deloach. John Deloach died 1820 where Birmingham is now - was it Elyton then? Anyway, they connect to the Patterson family who hopped back and forth between Alabama and Tennessee. Why the move to Texas after the war in 1865.......I don't think Texas was destroyed like some of the other parts of the south. Well, guess all the south was messed up, but also remember that there were pockets of Union people - in eastern TN, NW Arknasas, parts of MO, KY, North Carolina, even Alabama.....part of Virginia became a new state - West Virginia....they were southerners who stayed with the Union. After the war, it was very difficult for them so most of them moved on but wanted to stay in the south. Texas, NW AR were areas where they could start again. You have to think about the hatred during the war between the two sides, and there were families just torn apart with some on one side, and some on the other. As far as money, they probably did not have much, they took what they had and moved in groups....often either family members or men who had been in the same units during the war. For some reason I guess Texas was a place where they felt safe and could begin again. By the way, someone once told me that TN sent more men to the Union army than many of the northern states sent. Also, wasn't there some problem in Texas at the beginning of the war with some who did not want to leave the Union? Mary