A very informative piece of work. We are taught from elementary school the name Abe Lincoln. Ask any child who Jefferson Davis was or Robert E. Lee? Tory Braden wrote: > I think we are getting off the tract when we are posting opinions such as > when a lister says he thinks it is wrong for another to fly the Confederate > flag...in his opinion. But I have to jump in on that one. > > Walk a mile in an ancestor's shoes who was invaded. Virginian ideals, i.e. > Jefferson, were the inspiration OF THAT DAY. The Confederate Constitution > is an improved document, and anyone commenting on anything political about > the South should read it first. States rights as a better form of > government was the issue. People fought for many reasons, slavery was not > the issue for the South, even though it was an economic one. > > For the majority of Northerners the cause was the Union. As a matter of > fact Lincoln had to start the draft in '63 [conscription] because his > seasoned soldiers would not resign up when he gave the Emancipation > Proclmation [which only freed Southern Slaves, not Northern, i.e. Grants']. > They were fighting to preserve the Union, after the EP it became "Mr. > Lincoln's War" after Frederick Douglas became close to him. > > For Southerners it was a war of Agression and Invasion. Misnomered > Reconstruction was worse for whites with its confiscation. [And probably the > reason my families moved to east TX [Navarro, Limestone and Mexia Counties] > from blighted Georgia.] > > Victors write the history books so this is not common knowledge but > historical fact. Lincoln knew he was about to loose his election in '64. > Confederates were working with Union congressmen of the other side to come > to a negotiated settlement when Lincoln lost. Like Viet Nam, the war had > become unpopular in the North; it dragged on and seemed to have no end in > sight. > > Lincoln's saving grace was Sherman. Sherman wanted to start his "cleansing" > right after Atlanta in Sept, but Lincoln knew it would be unpopular even in > the North, so he had Sherman wait until after the election. Over two > months. And that is exactly what happened. > > HISTORY IS NEVER POLITICALLY CORRECT, but only when the truth of what > happened to the South is ever able to come to light, especially the horrors > of Reconstruction, will there be full understnading as to why Southerners > continue to honor their Confederate dead and the flag. If you think people > fly that flag to show defiance, hatred of Yankees, or to be flat out racist, > you have been brainwashed by the media and the poitically "correct" people > to think as they do. > > Today the flag is flown, as any country's flag, as a point of honor: honor > of the dead and honor to an idea for a better form of government. It is > interesting that we are still fighting about what we were fighting about in > the War Between the States. Many men have died in many wars for freedom and > that includes a Southerner's right to fly their flag of honor. > > Tory > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Hi, I first read some installments of "9 years among the Indians" from either True West or Frontier Times, both edited by Dr. Walter Prescott Webb of University of Texas at Austin. 1960-70's and published by J. Austell Small of Austin. Thanks for the update. There was also a Lehmann on the monument at Comfort for the group who did not want to fight for either side, but favored stronger State's Rights within the Union. Their families were not with them. They camped out on a prairie hill with a large fire and no military style outposts. Translations of German Language Texas Newspapers and books of University of North Texas at Denton. One diary, as I remember, said they had nightly Bible Studies- Vespers, sang patriotic and religious songs, and had deep discussions of religion, politics, and patriotism,. I have never seen any proof of them planning to join Union Troops after crossing the Rio Grande. If that was their intent, they would have gone north with another group. Or, they could have followed several paths north which became Cattle Trails through New Mexico or Oklahoma Henry Dean Lehmann used to live near us in the Brandon, Hill County, Texas community, on the edge of the German Settlers from the Hill Country to the Malone- Bynum- Penelope- West Station (West) area. He had absolutely no family records . he left farming the rich Blackland and moved to Hillsboro top sell Real Estate. I showed him a copy of my NTSU Report on Texas Germans and the Civil,War, and he , his son , and wife read it cover to cover. He thought this name on the Comfort Marker were his ancestors but had no documentation. My Texas Germans were from the Stephan Hipp and 2 Brothers of Manheim, Germany area and Dutch Fork Hipps of the Carolinas, pre Revolunary War, . and the Tuggle branch of Tarrant, Tuggle and Herndon families of Bradford, England. , 400 years ago were Tugglestines in Belgium. Great Grandparents Charles Madison Hipp and Sarah Copeland were married in Huricane Bapotist Church, Clinton, Old Laurens Dist. South Carolina, where John Copeland was an Elder in the Duncan Creek Pres. church before 1760. Grandmother Nancy Eliczabeth Hipp married John Carey in Hope , Arkansas area. Also the Yowell families of Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Texas, mostly in Waco, Killeen, Corsicana and Mary Yowell Cook of Fort Worth.had Pensylvania Dutch roots. Apparently some German Yowells lives a short time in Scotland as many Scottish Quaker and Anabaptist by various native names lived in Ireland before they came to America and Australia. That sets some researchers against each other , argueing if they were German, Scottish , or Irish. Why not two or all of the above? Too many find a port of Embarcation in Europe and assume the family was there as natives for many generations. Some records show a Col. Von Moller, whose Moulder children married into Cleveland and Wyly families. Was Von Moller an officer in Germany or possibly in the Hessian Mercenary troups which were sent into the colonies by the British and some joined the Rebels? Col. Von Moller is not in Rev. War Records, but Moulders are. Any help apreciated. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 02:01:03 -0500 Vanessa Burzynski <burzynsk@swbell.net> writes: > I am a distant relative of Herman Lehmann and I wanted to make a > small > correction. According to family history as well as a book written > by Herman > Lehmann himself, only Herman and his brother Willie were captured by > the > Indians. Their two little sisters, Augusta and Carolina, escaped > back to > their home from the field they were in after the Indians shot at > them but > missed. Herman was 11 yrs old and Willie was 8 years old. They > lived on a > large tract of land on Squaw Creek near Fredericksburg, Texas. > Their parents > (Ernst Mortiz Lehman and Augusta Johanna Adams) immigrated from > Germany in > 1846. Willie escaped from captivity after 9 days of horrible > treatment, > including being forced to ride bare naked on a bucking bronco. > Hermann > stayed with the Indians for 9 years, moving from tribe to tribe, > eventually > being adopted by Quannah Parker. Herman was lead to believe that > his mother > and sisters were killed as well as his brother Willie. (His father > had died > many years earlier before they were captured and his mother had > remarried a > man named Philip Buchmeyer.) Herman was reunited with his family > years > later and continued his friendly relationship with Quannah Parker. > We have > family photographs of Herman in his Indian headdress complete with > feathers > and all. The Indians had returned to Herman's home on several > occasions and > finally burned it to the ground, but not before his mother shot 2 of > the > Indians with a shotgun. The family then moved to Loyal Valley in > Mason > County, Texas where Herman and the rest of his family are buried. > (There is a > Texas Historical Marker at the cemetery where they are buried) The > story > about Herman yelling at a revival is true. He always liked to put > on a show > for the towns people. Many people were afraid of him. He had a > hard time > adjusting to a "normal lifestyle" after his return, often sleeping > outside on > the ground instead of in a warm bed. He could speak no English or > his native > German tongue when he returned. He did not even recognize his own > family. > Herman's original story was published in 1899 by Johnson Brothers > Printing > Company in San Antonio, Texas titled "Indianology" and written by > Judge > Jonathan H. Jones of Mason County, Texas. > > Here are some books about Herman Lehmann if anyone is interested. > > "9 Years Among the Indians 1870-1879" by Herman Lehmann originally > published > in 1927 by Von Boeckmann-Jones. University of New Mexico Press ISBN > 0-8263-1417-1 "One of the very best captivity narratives ever > published on > the Apaches and Commanches." > > "The Last Captive" by A. C. Greene Copyright 1972 The Encino Press > > "Children Indian Captives" by Roy D. Holt Copyright 1980 Eakin Press > ISBN 0-89015-245-4 > > "The Life and Hardships of My Mother, Augusta Johanna Buchmeyer" by > Henry W. > Buchmeyer published by Triangle Publishing Co., Dallas. > > > Vanessa Kierce Burzynski > Texas > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > This did little to control the Indians as many German Youth like > Hermann > Lehmann were captured from their homes which Dunn was not guarding > and > stripped and tied on bareback ponies. He and a sister survived. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Hi I would like to get in on the discussion. My grandparents lived thru the Civil war and Reconstruction, Grandfather Fuller was 18 in 1863 and lived in Claiborne county ,Louisiana on his fathers plantation, They were well off and had four slaves. Grandfather James Fuller joined the Confederate Army. In 1865 he came home but life was different. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and the Union's Army had made things different. The majority of people in Claiborne now were free blacks.The county was rife with KKK murdering blacks, carpetbaggers avd scalawags. My grandfather married and had four children.His father had moved to Arkansas where he had a church. Grandpa decided to move to Van Zandt County, Texas. However in 1868 when he arrived Texas was close to anarchy. Armed bands roam the country murdering freed blacks and white teachers same as in Claibrne County. My grandmother, Mary McClellan, ,lived during the civil war in Tuscloosa, Alabama. The Union Calvary caught her older brother who was a guerrala lined him up against the wall and shot him, Then they burned the farm house down. She was 11 yearsat the time. Henr y McClellan, her father,moved the family to Van Zandt County Texas,When my grandfather first wife died he and my grandmother were married in 1883. My mothers family, the Shannons came to Texas in the 1820's and were in the Austin colony. They voted for succesion and my great grandfather William Shannon served in the Montgomery County militia during the Civil War, Those southerner who gave sympathies to the Union were courageous.Those German Texans who tried to flee Texas and go thru Mexico to Join the Union Army and were ambushed and killed by those wanted the war. They were killed for the Union, Those southerners who today want to still wave the Confederate flag are wrong in my opinion. The civil war has been over a long time. Frank `

My mother's family also came to Texas from Ohio about this time. Their youngest child was born in 1900 in Falls County, Texas. They were found in the Mercer County, Ohio Census in 1880 and of course, the 1890 census is lost forever. Seems like there was a mass exodus of pioneers to Texas during this time frame. Several related families in this same area seem to have all come together about the same time. Maybe some old newspapers could give us a clue. Perhaps the lure of cheap land or much needed labor was the reason? Vanessa in Texas Judy Craig wrote: > What was going on in Orangeville about 1903 or 1904 that would have > drawn folks down from Ohio? My father in law( LM Craig) was born there > in 1904 after his dad came from Ohio? They never talked about this and > of course all are dead now. It seemed to be a stopping point for them > as they later moved down to Anderson Texas. I have always wondered why > he would come to that area. > > Thanks > > Judy > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

I am a distant relative of Herman Lehmann and I wanted to make a small correction. According to family history as well as a book written by Herman Lehmann himself, only Herman and his brother Willie were captured by the Indians. Their two little sisters, Augusta and Carolina, escaped back to their home from the field they were in after the Indians shot at them but missed. Herman was 11 yrs old and Willie was 8 years old. They lived on a large tract of land on Squaw Creek near Fredericksburg, Texas. Their parents (Ernst Mortiz Lehman and Augusta Johanna Adams) immigrated from Germany in 1846. Willie escaped from captivity after 9 days of horrible treatment, including being forced to ride bare naked on a bucking bronco. Hermann stayed with the Indians for 9 years, moving from tribe to tribe, eventually being adopted by Quannah Parker. Herman was lead to believe that his mother and sisters were killed as well as his brother Willie. (His father had died many years earlier before they were captured and his mother had remarried a man named Philip Buchmeyer.) Herman was reunited with his family years later and continued his friendly relationship with Quannah Parker. We have family photographs of Herman in his Indian headdress complete with feathers and all. The Indians had returned to Herman's home on several occasions and finally burned it to the ground, but not before his mother shot 2 of the Indians with a shotgun. The family then moved to Loyal Valley in Mason County, Texas where Herman and the rest of his family are buried. (There is a Texas Historical Marker at the cemetery where they are buried) The story about Herman yelling at a revival is true. He always liked to put on a show for the towns people. Many people were afraid of him. He had a hard time adjusting to a "normal lifestyle" after his return, often sleeping outside on the ground instead of in a warm bed. He could speak no English or his native German tongue when he returned. He did not even recognize his own family. Herman's original story was published in 1899 by Johnson Brothers Printing Company in San Antonio, Texas titled "Indianology" and written by Judge Jonathan H. Jones of Mason County, Texas. Here are some books about Herman Lehmann if anyone is interested. "9 Years Among the Indians 1870-1879" by Herman Lehmann originally published in 1927 by Von Boeckmann-Jones. University of New Mexico Press ISBN 0-8263-1417-1 "One of the very best captivity narratives ever published on the Apaches and Commanches." "The Last Captive" by A. C. Greene Copyright 1972 The Encino Press "Children Indian Captives" by Roy D. Holt Copyright 1980 Eakin Press ISBN 0-89015-245-4 "The Life and Hardships of My Mother, Augusta Johanna Buchmeyer" by Henry W. Buchmeyer published by Triangle Publishing Co., Dallas. Vanessa Kierce Burzynski Texas wyly1@juno.com wrote: This did little to control the Indians as many German Youth like Hermann Lehmann were captured from their homes which Dunn was not guarding and stripped and tied on bareback ponies. He and a sister survived.

I think we are getting off the tract when we are posting opinions such as when a lister says he thinks it is wrong for another to fly the Confederate flag...in his opinion. But I have to jump in on that one. Walk a mile in an ancestor's shoes who was invaded. Virginian ideals, i.e. Jefferson, were the inspiration OF THAT DAY. The Confederate Constitution is an improved document, and anyone commenting on anything political about the South should read it first. States rights as a better form of government was the issue. People fought for many reasons, slavery was not the issue for the South, even though it was an economic one. For the majority of Northerners the cause was the Union. As a matter of fact Lincoln had to start the draft in '63 [conscription] because his seasoned soldiers would not resign up when he gave the Emancipation Proclmation [which only freed Southern Slaves, not Northern, i.e. Grants']. They were fighting to preserve the Union, after the EP it became "Mr. Lincoln's War" after Frederick Douglas became close to him. For Southerners it was a war of Agression and Invasion. Misnomered Reconstruction was worse for whites with its confiscation. [And probably the reason my families moved to east TX [Navarro, Limestone and Mexia Counties] from blighted Georgia.] Victors write the history books so this is not common knowledge but historical fact. Lincoln knew he was about to loose his election in '64. Confederates were working with Union congressmen of the other side to come to a negotiated settlement when Lincoln lost. Like Viet Nam, the war had become unpopular in the North; it dragged on and seemed to have no end in sight. Lincoln's saving grace was Sherman. Sherman wanted to start his "cleansing" right after Atlanta in Sept, but Lincoln knew it would be unpopular even in the North, so he had Sherman wait until after the election. Over two months. And that is exactly what happened. HISTORY IS NEVER POLITICALLY CORRECT, but only when the truth of what happened to the South is ever able to come to light, especially the horrors of Reconstruction, will there be full understnading as to why Southerners continue to honor their Confederate dead and the flag. If you think people fly that flag to show defiance, hatred of Yankees, or to be flat out racist, you have been brainwashed by the media and the poitically "correct" people to think as they do. Today the flag is flown, as any country's flag, as a point of honor: honor of the dead and honor to an idea for a better form of government. It is interesting that we are still fighting about what we were fighting about in the War Between the States. Many men have died in many wars for freedom and that includes a Southerner's right to fly their flag of honor. Tory _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I believe the comment you made was that Sam Houston "died as an outcast because he was against leaving the Union." Yes, Houston refused to take an oath of allegiance to the new Confederacy, and he was removed as Governor. He could not continue his leadership as Governor of the State of Texas after the vote for secession. But the people never saw his as an "outcast." The people had elected him as Governor in 1859 and 2 years later voted for secession in 1861. Sam Houston felt he had failed the People of Texas when they voted for secession because he had worked hard to persuade the United States to admit Texas to the Union but had not been able to prevent secession. His decision to stand against secession was based on his love for Texas and her people and his fear that the strength of the North would lead to devastation and defeat. Even though he supported "states rights" he intellectually knew the sacrifices would be great. Texans understood and respected his position. And putting it in perspective, it was only a short period of time (a generation) from the defeat of General Santa Anna to the establishing of the Republic of Texas (1836). Followed by the giving up of that independence to join a Union (1845) that soon took back the rights that had been granted at Statehood. The people of Texas never doubted his love for his State of his People. If you care to read the following you will see excerpts from his address to the People of Texas. "Texas was a republic from 1836 to 1845, and Houston was elected its first President. He served from 1836 to 1838, and again from 1841 to 1844. A President was not allowed to succeed himself, and so from 1838-1841 Mirabeau B. Lamar was in office. One of Houston's chief objectives was to have Texas admitted to The United States, but this was prevented because of the slavery question. The North did not want another state in which slavery was legal. To keep the United States interested in annexation, Houston courted the favor of both Britain and France. Another of Houston's problems as President was the lack of money and development. Resources and trade in the floundering nation were raw and poorly developed, and revenues to the public treasury were meager. Also, to the south, Mexico continued to threaten the nation with invasion. After Texas was admitted to the Union, Sam Houston served as U.S. Senator for Texas from 1846 to 1859. During this time the United States went to war with Mexico because the annexation of Texas had angered the Mexican government. In 1859, two years before the start of the War Between the States, Houston ran for Governor of Texas on an anti-secession platform, which meant he was opposed to having Texas secede from the Union. However, in 1861, Texas voted to secede anyway. Houston refused to take an oath of allegiance to the new Confederacy, and he was removed as governor. There were rumors that Houston would fight to keep Texas in the Union. Abraham Lincoln wrote him to say that Federal troops could be transported to the Texas coast to support his cause. But he refused Lincoln's offer. [Sam Houston, with a prophetic warning at the time of the secession of Texas from the Union] "Some of you laugh to scorn the idea of bloodshed as the result of secession, but let me tell you what is coming....Your fathers and husbands, your sons and brothers, will be herded at the point of the bayonet.... You may after the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, as a bare possibility, win Southern independence... but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of state rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction... they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South." Houston then retired to private life to the town of Huntsville, north of modern-day Houston. He kept up with politics and followed the fortunes of his son, Sam, Jr., who fought for the Confederates and was wounded in Tennessee. Sam Houston died in Huntsville in July, 1863, while the Civil War still raged. Margaret, his wife, was at his bedside at the end. His final words were "Texas-Texas!-Margaret-" Let's not let others think that the People of Texas betrayed their loyalty to the man who had lead them to freedom from Mexico and the murderous General Santa Anna by the misuse of your words. Linda in Texas

Hi, Frank, we have Fullers now in Hewitt- they came from Kansas 20 years ago and ran Truch Stop cafes in Ross and Hewitt on I-35and on Hwy 6. One son was a decorated Marine and, whileunemployed and under insured, his pickup fell on him. He is in a wheelchair now and runs a computer store in his Houston home. He was baptized in his wheelchair and his wife and son were present . Were your Shannons of the Fort Worth Shannon Funeral Home and Insurance families. Two brothers ran the businesses, One, Marvin was blind and married Dad's first Cousin. Her Moxley & Fleming families were from Missouri before Erath County and the Indian Creek Cemetery, Stephenville, has many Missouri born in it. Concerning Free State of Vanzandt (Vanzandt County, Canton, Ben Wheeler, Van and others) There is a Deacon in our church, now in a Rest home who said his Grandad was a Doctor in The Van Zandt Free State- or his great Grand possibly. He said that his "grandad" was a Doctor in Ben Wheeler, Van Zandt County, . As a young man the older man- possibly a great grandfather, would go to the Tyler, Texas slave market and look for a family for sale. He would buy them and take them away from the crowd and tell them they were free to go and he would sign their freedom papers AFTER he talked to them . He said he had a Farm in Ben Wheeler with 2 or 3 old houses on it. Their freedom cost him money, and if they lived there one year qand made a good return on the crop, he would help educate them some and the profit would buy someone Else's freedom. All stayed one year, one 2 or 3 years, . Must be material there somewhere for our freedom in our Religion- It was bought and paid for- do we pass it on out of gratitude in some way? Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 05:24:38 +0400 Frank Fuller <frank_fuller@sunshine.net> writes: > Hi I would like to get in on the discussion. My grandparents lived > thru the > Civil war and Reconstruction, Grandfather Fuller was 18 in 1863 and > lived > in Claiborne county ,Louisiana on his fathers plantation, They were > well off > and had four slaves. Grandfather James Fuller joined the > Confederate > Army. In 1865 he came home but life was different. Lincoln's > Emancipation Proclamation and the Union's Army had made things > different. > The majority of people in Claiborne now were free blacks.The county > was rife > with KKK murdering blacks, carpetbaggers avd scalawags. My > grandfather > married and had four children.His father had moved to Arkansas where > he had > a church. Grandpa decided to move to Van Zandt County, Texas. > However in > 1868 when he arrived Texas was close to anarchy. Armed bands roam > the > country murdering freed blacks and white teachers same as in > Claibrne > County. My grandmother, Mary McClellan, ,lived during the civil war > in > Tuscloosa, Alabama. The Union Calvary caught her older brother who > was a > guerrala lined him up against the wall and shot him, Then they > burned the > farm house down. She was 11 yearsat the time. Henr y McClellan, her > father,moved the family to Van Zandt County Texas,When my > grandfather first > wife died he and my grandmother were married in 1883. My mothers > family, > the Shannons came to Texas in the 1820's and were in the Austin > colony. > They voted for succesion and my great grandfather William Shannon > served in > the Montgomery County militia during the Civil War, Those > southerner who > gave sympathies to the Union were courageous.Those German Texans who > tried > to flee Texas and go thru Mexico to Join the Union Army and were > ambushed > and killed by those wanted the war. They were killed for the Union, > Those > southerners who today want to still wave the Confederate flag are > wrong in > my opinion. The civil war has been over a long time. Frank > > > ` > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

<A HREF="http://www.shsu.edu/~smm_www/History/index.html">Click here: A Chronology of Sam Houston's Life</A> Now I love Sam Houston as much as the next 6th generation Texan, but per his website - 1861 March 4--The State of Texas secedes from the Union on the same day Abraham Lincoln is inaugurated as President of the United States. March 16--Governor Houston refuses to take the oath of allegiance to the Confederate States of America and is deposed as Governor. And "deposed" is not a good way to leave the Governor's office...

Yes sir, but where is his body now? and where is Jesse James buried? Coffee wrote: > Frank James lived at his sister's home near Savoy, Texas in Fannin County. > That community in about 10 miles east of Denison, Texas. He hid out there > from Federal authorities. Susan James married on of Quantrill's men named > Parmer. He finally left is sisters home after a few months of hiding and > went back to Missouri to stand trial. General Jo Shelby was a character > witness for Frank James at his trial. Shelby was one of the most beloved men > in Missouri at the time. Shelby came to the trial drunk.He came back to the > trial later when sober and apologized. > > Jerry Coffee > > -----Original Message----- > From: skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > > >Another reason the JAmes bros turned was because the north put a cannonball > >thru their house and blew off their step-mothers arm. > >Where is Jesse and Frank James body now? I know they exhumed Jesses body > >a number of years ago, but where is it now? I asked one time why people > were > >pecking away at a certain headstone in the Kearney, Mo. cemetery. > >It was Jesse James headstone. At one time it was quite large, but thru the > >years > >people and their little hameers slowly whittled it away to nothing. > >Frank James(after being acquitted of all charges against him) moved to Hot > >Springs, Ar. and worked at HAppy Hollow, with the stipulation, no pics be > >taken. > >After that I lost track of him. The last I heard about Jesse-he was in a > lab. > >somewhere. Can anyone help me with this? Where are the bodies? > > > >skm wrote: > > > >> Thank You sir. Very well stated!! > >> > >> wyly1@juno.com wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, they were Northern agents sent to reconstruct the South. They had a > >> > type of luggage that looked like carpet. A few were honest, but many > were > >> > very political and plotted to keep the opposing party from voting. In > >> > Hill County, Texas , a carpetbagger manipulated the elections by > >> > declaring all Confederates as traitors and unable to vote. One officer > >> > of Hood's Texas Brigade was an object of a posse of several,Black > >> > deputies who were sent out to arrest the man, He faced them down > >> > singlehandedly, promising to shoot the first Deputy who drew a gun. > They > >> > were also victims of Confiscatory adjusted taxes. > >> > > >> > A major cause of the James Brothers, Daltons and Youngers converting > >> > from Army Gorillas and foragers to outlaw was due to armed > Carpetbaggers > >> > trying to confiscate Confederate family property. Many Carpetbaggers > >> > from "Bleeding Kansas" were sent into Missouri with promise of > political > >> > power and favoritism at the ex > >> > > >> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:20 -0500 "Rachael/Lisa" <rachael@iswt.com> > >> > writes: > >> > > Hello: > >> > > I have heard that expression alot. Just what is a carpetbagger? > >> > > I want to know. I live in Tn. and have heard that word in derogatory > >> > > alot. > >> > > But noone ever said just what it meant exactly. > >> > > Lisa > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "skm" <flintlock@kcnet.com> > >> > > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2001 9:49 > >> > > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > When the carpetbaggers came to the south to supposedly rebuild it, > >> > > all > >> > > they had > >> > > > to do was claim a person who still owned a farm was a southern > >> > > sympathizer > >> > > > and the farm and possessions were taken. > >> > > > This was a great time of unrest and distrust. Yes, I agree, > >> > > > the distrust of southern > >> > > > people toward northern people is still deeply embedded. > >> > > > > >> > > > Geannie42@aol.com wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > While on the subject of divided families in the Great War, much > >> > > of > >> > > Tennessee > >> > > > > was torn in their loyalties. In my own family, one paternal > >> > > > > great-grandfather fought for the Union, one maternal > >> > > great-grandfather > >> > > fought > >> > > > > for the Confederacy. But, to top that, I had four g-g-uncles, > >> > > brothers, > >> > > who > >> > > > > were divided within the family, with two fighting for the Union > >> > > and two > >> > > for > >> > > > > the Confederacy. All of these lived in the > >> > > Wayne/Hardin/Lawrence County > >> > > > > areas of southern middle Tennessee. There are many, many such > >> > > stories > >> > > from > >> > > > > that area and that era. And believe me, feelings still run > >> > > strong in > >> > > this > >> > > > > regard. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Linda (Alabama) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ============================== > >> > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > >> > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ============================== > >> > > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > >> > > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > >> > > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ============================== > >> > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > >> > > #1 > >> > > Source for Family History Online. 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Hi, Wonder if there was any connection between the Frank James you named and the Frank James who owned a ranch in south Bell County, South of Marlin? 80 year old men I attend church with said that as a boy they deer hunted there. Also, by a strange coincidence, Blevins,,Texas is in Southwest Bell County , whare a lady has written a book saying her grandfather , a Mr. Courtney of Blevins, Texas was the real Jesse James. I thought J. Frank Dalton of Grandbury, Hood County, Texas was Jesse- his headstone says so. Anyhow, the lady who wrote the book said she inherited a trunk and in it was a photo of Jesse's mother , one arm missing, in a dress which is identical to the one his mother had on in the James museum in Missouri. Supposedly some of the Missouri DNA tests were on a tooth by as window of the James home, but it was moved from its origional site to its present site before DNA testing. She also had the Texas Dept of Criminal Justice labs in Austin check the picture in 1990's and they said it was untouched and identical to the Misouri photo. She said that when an extra chicken was needed for unexpected guests, her grandad would mount his horse with a rifle, ride full speed across a pasture, and shoot a chicken's head off for entertainment of his Guests. All her family has heard rumors about this being Jesse James but some objected violently in court to keep her from having DNA tests done on the body, preferring to let the dead rest. John Crockett of Pony Creek, Erath County, Texas and Quanah, Texas had ridden with the James Boys and Quantrills. Another, a Mullins, of Chalk Mountain, Erath County, Texas had also ridden with Quantrill. The Tombstone Epitath Newspaper of Arizona publisned a photo of J. Frank Dalton AKA Jesse James on his deathbed at Meremac Caverns , Missouri, where he worked after leaving texas. Beside his death bed was a 93 year old Col. who used to run Wild West Shows for Buffalo Bill and Calamity Jane. Standing at his head is Brushy Bill Roberts of Hico, just exactly like I knew him- hat, Bolo tie, Jacket and all . The Hico Museum has several documents that seem to prove this William Roberts had a dad who returned from the Civil War to Buffalo Gap, Texas , where he found his wife dead and his McCarty sister in law raising Little Billy in Oklahoma. The dad joined the James Gang and when Billy was 12, Jesse and others taught him how to shoot from a horse. His aunt married a Bonney and moved to New Mexico , Lincoln County, on a fork of Goodnight- Loving cattle trail, and he took the Bonney name. In later years he worked as an undercover Marshall in Frontier Fort Smith, Arkansas before returning to Hico and died there, age 93, leaning on a car. One New Mexico Judge refused to give Pat Garrett for killing "Billy" as he said he knew personally Billy was still alive;this is documented in the Hico Museum, where there is a statue of him with a pistol drawn fireing at attackers. Most say Billy Barlow was buried in his grave near Fort Sumpter with a wood headstone, like soldiers there, and all them washed away. The soldiers were moved to Fort Sump[ter and a movie company put up the present headstone there. Brushy Bill was a member of Hico Baptist Church and attended some at Carleton, Texas. Go figure which ones are the real man, Charles A. Wyly On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:29:07 -0500 "Coffee" <j.coff@verizon.net> writes: > Frank James lived at his sister's home near Savoy, Texas in Fannin > County. > That community in about 10 miles east of Denison, Texas. He hid out > there > from Federal authorities. Susan James married on of Quantrill's men > named > Parmer. He finally left is sisters home after a few months of > hiding and > went back to Missouri to stand trial. General Jo Shelby was a > character > witness for Frank James at his trial. Shelby was one of the most > beloved men > in Missouri at the time. Shelby came to the trial drunk.He came > back to the > trial later when sober and apologized. > > Jerry Coffee > > > -----Original Message----- > From: skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > > > >Another reason the JAmes bros turned was because the north put a > cannonball > >thru their house and blew off their step-mothers arm. > >Where is Jesse and Frank James body now? I know they exhumed > Jesses body > >a number of years ago, but where is it now? I asked one time why > people > were > >pecking away at a certain headstone in the Kearney, Mo. cemetery. > >It was Jesse James headstone. At one time it was quite large, but > thru the > >years > >people and their little hameers slowly whittled it away to nothing. > >Frank James(after being acquitted of all charges against him) moved > to Hot > >Springs, Ar. and worked at HAppy Hollow, with the stipulation, no > pics be > >taken. > >After that I lost track of him. The last I heard about Jesse-he > was in a > lab. > >somewhere. Can anyone help me with this? Where are the bodies? > > > >skm wrote: > > > >> Thank You sir. Very well stated!! > >> > >> wyly1@juno.com wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, they were Northern agents sent to reconstruct the South. > They had a > >> > type of luggage that looked like carpet. A few were honest, but > many > were > >> > very political and plotted to keep the opposing party from > voting. In > >> > Hill County, Texas , a carpetbagger manipulated the elections > by > >> > declaring all Confederates as traitors and unable to vote. One > officer > >> > of Hood's Texas Brigade was an object of a posse of > several,Black > >> > deputies who were sent out to arrest the man, He faced them > down > >> > singlehandedly, promising to shoot the first Deputy who drew a > gun. > They > >> > were also victims of Confiscatory adjusted taxes. > >> > > >> > A major cause of the James Brothers, Daltons and Youngers > converting > >> > from Army Gorillas and foragers to outlaw was due to armed > Carpetbaggers > >> > trying to confiscate Confederate family property. Many > Carpetbaggers > >> > from "Bleeding Kansas" were sent into Missouri with promise of > political > >> > power and favoritism at the ex > >> > > >> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:20 -0500 "Rachael/Lisa" > <rachael@iswt.com> > >> > writes: > >> > > Hello: > >> > > I have heard that expression alot. Just what is a > carpetbagger? > >> > > I want to know. I live in Tn. and have heard that word in > derogatory > >> > > alot. > >> > > But noone ever said just what it meant exactly. > >> > > Lisa > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "skm" <flintlock@kcnet.com> > >> > > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2001 9:49 > >> > > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > When the carpetbaggers came to the south to supposedly > rebuild it, > >> > > all > >> > > they had > >> > > > to do was claim a person who still owned a farm was a > southern > >> > > sympathizer > >> > > > and the farm and possessions were taken. > >> > > > This was a great time of unrest and distrust. Yes, I > agree, > >> > > > the distrust of southern > >> > > > people toward northern people is still deeply embedded. > >> > > > > >> > > > Geannie42@aol.com wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > While on the subject of divided families in the Great > War, much > >> > > of > >> > > Tennessee > >> > > > > was torn in their loyalties. In my own family, one > paternal > >> > > > > great-grandfather fought for the Union, one maternal > >> > > great-grandfather > >> > > fought > >> > > > > for the Confederacy. But, to top that, I had four > g-g-uncles, > >> > > brothers, > >> > > who > >> > > > > were divided within the family, with two fighting for the > Union > >> > > and two > >> > > for > >> > > > > the Confederacy. All of these lived in the > >> > > Wayne/Hardin/Lawrence County > >> > > > > areas of southern middle Tennessee. There are many, many > such > >> > > stories > >> > > from > >> > > > > that area and that era. And believe me, feelings still > run > >> > > strong in > >> > > this > >> > > > > regard. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Linda (Alabama) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ============================== > >> > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > >> > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ============================== > >> > > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family > history > >> > > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > >> > > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ============================== > >> > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access > to the > >> > > #1 > >> > > Source for Family History Online. 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I forgot, the Third Party platform drawn up by Many Germans and others when Lincoln was running had a unique platform, similar toi what Lincoiln wanted but never had: 1.Slavery was a States Right issue and all slaves should be freed by each state with palns for education and relocation of the slaves. 2. Slave owners should be reimbursed for the price of the slaves freed. They had many other planks which have been enacted by year 2000. Also, Former Russian Ambassador Cassius Clay , kin of Henry Clay, returned from Russia with a painting od a Russian dancer, dead, and her young son, which did not make his wife a happy camper near Lexington, Ky. After the CivilWar, when a gasng of Deputies, Black and led by Carpetbaggers went out to collect exorbatant taxes or take his land and mansion, he met them wit a shotgu,. He shot in front of the fat sheriff, clipping his suspenders and that ended that. Charles Wyly On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:39:25 -0500 skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> writes: > Thank You sir. Very well stated!! > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > > Hi, they were Northern agents sent to reconstruct the South. They > had a > > type of luggage that looked like carpet. A few were honest, but > many were > > very political and plotted to keep the opposing party from voting. > In > > Hill County, Texas , a carpetbagger manipulated the elections by > > declaring all Confederates as traitors and unable to vote. One > officer > > of Hood's Texas Brigade was an object of a posse of several,Black > > deputies who were sent out to arrest the man, He faced them down > > singlehandedly, promising to shoot the first Deputy who drew a > gun. They > > were also victims of Confiscatory adjusted taxes. > > > > A major cause of the James Brothers, Daltons and Youngers > converting > > from Army Gorillas and foragers to outlaw was due to armed > Carpetbaggers > > trying to confiscate Confederate family property. Many > Carpetbaggers > > from "Bleeding Kansas" were sent into Missouri with promise of > political > > power and favoritism at the ex > > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:20 -0500 "Rachael/Lisa" > <rachael@iswt.com> > > writes: > > > Hello: > > > I have heard that expression alot. Just what is a carpetbagger? > > > I want to know. I live in Tn. and have heard that word in > derogatory > > > alot. > > > But noone ever said just what it meant exactly. > > > Lisa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "skm" <flintlock@kcnet.com> > > > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2001 9:49 > > > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > > > > > > > > > > When the carpetbaggers came to the south to supposedly rebuild > it, > > > all > > > they had > > > > to do was claim a person who still owned a farm was a > southern > > > sympathizer > > > > and the farm and possessions were taken. > > > > This was a great time of unrest and distrust. Yes, I agree, > > > > the distrust of southern > > > > people toward northern people is still deeply embedded. > > > > > > > > Geannie42@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > While on the subject of divided families in the Great War, > much > > > of > > > Tennessee > > > > > was torn in their loyalties. In my own family, one paternal > > > > > great-grandfather fought for the Union, one maternal > > > great-grandfather > > > fought > > > > > for the Confederacy. But, to top that, I had four > g-g-uncles, > > > brothers, > > > who > > > > > were divided within the family, with two fighting for the > Union > > > and two > > > for > > > > > the Confederacy. All of these lived in the > > > Wayne/Hardin/Lawrence County > > > > > areas of southern middle Tennessee. There are many, many > such > > > stories > > > from > > > > > that area and that era. And believe me, feelings still run > > > strong in > > > this > > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > > > Linda (Alabama) > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family > history > > > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to > the > > > #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Thanks, I forgot to mention that Jesse James's father was a Baptist minister and jesse would not allow a drunk to ride with him as they would get you killed. A Proff fro U. of Minn , St. Paul, wrote a book advancing the premisis that some who robbed the Northfield bank were drunk, all wore masks, and Jessee was seen elsewhere too far away for him to have been there. Missouri Carpetbag rule said no Minister who was connected in any way could continue to pastor a church and hold Weddings and Funerals. so Jesse's dad lost his pastorate. His Choctaw Mom lost an arm from a bomb meant for her son. When Lincoln was elected President, there were 3 Political Parties- Recent German Immigrants and Sons of Hermann or Hermanson Lodges all over the U.S. supported the Third Party Candidate- was it Buchannan or Breckenridge? The Texas Germans my Coffee Cousin mentioned were straight from the Aborptive Revolution in Germany and Followed Prince Solms - Braunfels to Indianola, and a Sons of Hermann Plantation in Fayette County then spread all over the Texas Hill Country, then to Malone, Muenster, Brenham, Bremond, Kaufman, Blanket, Comfort, Sisterdale, Boerne, Fredricksburg, Boerne, Taylor, Westphalia, West, Pep, Lohn, San Marcos, San Saba, Seguin and others. These , on the average, had a Junior College or Equivalent education and published so their undereducated neighbors, some German, were suspicious of folk who read and Spoke and Wrote German. When the Young men left for the Confederate Army and all Union Troops left frontier Forts, the Indians from All Directions including Oklahoma moved back in and few settlers stayed west of Erath County unless they were Intermarried with Indian. Texas organized by counties, such as the Erath County Minute men, led by a Keith, I think. \the Confederate Govt. organized the Partizan Rangers as a Home Fromt Guard to protect settlers from marauding Raiders, Comanchero and Comanche and Apache. Lt. McRae was the officially appointed leader- until an outcast from Ireland and the U.S. Army , a Mr. Dunn, was elected by volunteers to be Captain. At this time Gov. Lubbock of Texas announced a 30 day period for all citizens to take an oath of Alegiance to the Confederacy. Now, if you were in the Colorado or Concho River Valley and came to town to get your mail at the U.S. Post Office (They stayed open nationwide) , then you had already been an outlaw for 30 days and didn't know it. The Texans, some holding slaves as indentured servants earning their freedom and education, were of 3 groups. Some went north to the Union Army. Some joined the Confederate ,Army and a third group were planning to be across the Rio Grande in 30 days. On about the 25 th day. this group (Their names were on a Monument - or are, on the old Comfort High School grounds) were truster to Der Union- True to the Union, but otired of fighting overseas. They were like our boys in the last 3 "\wars" who went to avoid the draft. They were massacred by Dunn's men , some captured, and, aft Lt. McRae and his faithful were sent out chasing imaginary prisoners, Dunn and a few rowdies shot or hanged all captives , then built a Barb Wire Stockade at New Braunfels for the wives and children. These bones were gatherred 4 years later and buried in Comfort. This did little to control the Indians as many German Youth like Hermann Lehmann were captured from their homes which Dunn was not guarding and stripped and tied on bareback ponies. He and a sister survived. They rode fast, ate road kill or fruit or wild eggs, tied the children's legs around a tree by the ankles for sleep, and in 3 dau=us they were from the German area to Big Spring , Texas Babies who cried enough to be heard were grabbed by a brave on each side, removed from the horse, thrown into the Air and were trampled by the Indian's ponies. Mr. Hehman was repatriated as an older teenager and one night in Kerrville , he attended a Methodist Revivalin the street. He got carrioed away, stood up on the back bench and let out a bloodcurdling War Whoop . He emptied the street without an Amen. Take Care, Charles A. Wyly On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:39:25 -0500 skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> writes: > Thank You sir. Very well stated!! > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > > Hi, they were Northern agents sent to reconstruct the South. They > had a > > type of luggage that looked like carpet. A few were honest, but > many were > > very political and plotted to keep the opposing party from voting. > In > > Hill County, Texas , a carpetbagger manipulated the elections by > > declaring all Confederates as traitors and unable to vote. One > officer > > of Hood's Texas Brigade was an object of a posse of several,Black > > deputies who were sent out to arrest the man, He faced them down > > singlehandedly, promising to shoot the first Deputy who drew a > gun. They > > were also victims of Confiscatory adjusted taxes. > > > > A major cause of the James Brothers, Daltons and Youngers > converting > > from Army Gorillas and foragers to outlaw was due to armed > Carpetbaggers > > trying to confiscate Confederate family property. Many > Carpetbaggers > > from "Bleeding Kansas" were sent into Missouri with promise of > political > > power and favoritism at the ex > > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:20 -0500 "Rachael/Lisa" > <rachael@iswt.com> > > writes: > > > Hello: > > > I have heard that expression alot. Just what is a carpetbagger? > > > I want to know. I live in Tn. and have heard that word in > derogatory > > > alot. > > > But noone ever said just what it meant exactly. > > > Lisa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "skm" <flintlock@kcnet.com> > > > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2001 9:49 > > > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > > > > > > > > > > When the carpetbaggers came to the south to supposedly rebuild > it, > > > all > > > they had > > > > to do was claim a person who still owned a farm was a > southern > > > sympathizer > > > > and the farm and possessions were taken. > > > > This was a great time of unrest and distrust. Yes, I agree, > > > > the distrust of southern > > > > people toward northern people is still deeply embedded. > > > > > > > > Geannie42@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > While on the subject of divided families in the Great War, > much > > > of > > > Tennessee > > > > > was torn in their loyalties. In my own family, one paternal > > > > > great-grandfather fought for the Union, one maternal > > > great-grandfather > > > fought > > > > > for the Confederacy. But, to top that, I had four > g-g-uncles, > > > brothers, > > > who > > > > > were divided within the family, with two fighting for the > Union > > > and two > > > for > > > > > the Confederacy. All of these lived in the > > > Wayne/Hardin/Lawrence County > > > > > areas of southern middle Tennessee. There are many, many > such > > > stories > > > from > > > > > that area and that era. And believe me, feelings still run > > > strong in > > > this > > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > > > Linda (Alabama) > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family > history > > > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to > the > > > #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > Source for Family History Online. 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A shame the resentment is towards the northern people The northern people, for the most part, were opposed to the war the resentment should be against an oppressive big central government In 1865 and 2001 In a message dated 6/11/01 7:41:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, flintlock@kcnet.com writes: > Subj: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > Date: 6/11/01 7:41:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time > From: flintlock@kcnet.com (skm) > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com">Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > When the carpetbaggers came to the south to supposedly rebuild it, all > they had > to do was claim a person who still owned a farm was a southern sympathizer > and the farm and possessions were taken. > This was a great time of unrest and distrust. Yes, I agree, > the distrust of southern > people toward northern people is still deeply embedded. > > Geannie42@aol.com wrote: > > > While on the subject of divided families in the Great War, much of > Tennessee > > was torn in their loyalties. In my own family, one paternal > > great-grandfather fought for the Union, one maternal great-grandfather > fought > > for the Confederacy. But, to top that, I had four g-g-uncles, brothers, > who > > were divided within the family, with two fighting for the Union and two > for > > the Confederacy. All of these lived in the Wayne/Hardin/Lawrence County > > areas of southern middle Tennessee. There are many, many such stories > from > > that area and that era. And believe me, feelings still run strong in this > > regard. > > > > Linda (Alabama) > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: <Southern-Trails-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (rly-ye01.mail.aol.com > [172.18.151.198]) by air-ye01.mail.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 > Jun 2001 22:41:37 -0400 > Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.32]) by > rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:41:17 -0400 > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f5C2dKl32376; > Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:39:20 -0600 > Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:39:20 -0600 > X-Original-Sender: flintlock@kcnet.com Mon Jun 11 19:39:20 2001 > Message-ID: <3B258354.3779266B@kcnet.com> > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:49:56 -0500 > From: skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Old-To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > References: <88.7c51ec3.2856c206@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Resent-Message-ID: <2AiILC.A.s5H.YDYJ7@lists2.rootsweb.com> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/539 > X-Loop: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: Southern-Trails-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >

In flood waters, by the time the bomb reached the the opposite side-It would have been in the gulf of Mexico. Must have been carpetbaggers thinking that one up. In 1993 I was witness to the Platte and Mo. rivers. I taped 3 videos. We fought the Platte for a month, and with the Mighty Mo. only a mile or so away, and with the Mississippi overrunning it's banks, there isn't a single person that describe it accurately until you have lived thru it. We sandbagged day and night. I would go to the river, turn my car around, and always trying to keep it only a few seconds away,motor always running, I taped how the water kept rising until it was at the top of the sandbags. Yes it sounds dangerous and it was, but think of the disasters our families faced each day, just to settle this great land. How they lost family and friends!! BMoss69893@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/5/01 2:00:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!, wyly1@juno.com writes: > > << During the recent flood on Miss. one local reporter said on TV that there > was a time in the past that rice and cotton farmers watched each other > across the River- Arrk. to Miss and Tenn. as some had been of sending > bombs across the River ina flood to blow a hole in the opposite levee to > save their own fields. Naw, Not in America??? >> > > Everytime I think I have seen or heard it all, something else comes along. > Why not in America? Betty. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Frank James lived at his sister's home near Savoy, Texas in Fannin County. That community in about 10 miles east of Denison, Texas. He hid out there from Federal authorities. Susan James married on of Quantrill's men named Parmer. He finally left is sisters home after a few months of hiding and went back to Missouri to stand trial. General Jo Shelby was a character witness for Frank James at his trial. Shelby was one of the most beloved men in Missouri at the time. Shelby came to the trial drunk.He came back to the trial later when sober and apologized. Jerry Coffee -----Original Message----- From: skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama >Another reason the JAmes bros turned was because the north put a cannonball >thru their house and blew off their step-mothers arm. >Where is Jesse and Frank James body now? I know they exhumed Jesses body >a number of years ago, but where is it now? I asked one time why people were >pecking away at a certain headstone in the Kearney, Mo. cemetery. >It was Jesse James headstone. At one time it was quite large, but thru the >years >people and their little hameers slowly whittled it away to nothing. >Frank James(after being acquitted of all charges against him) moved to Hot >Springs, Ar. and worked at HAppy Hollow, with the stipulation, no pics be >taken. >After that I lost track of him. The last I heard about Jesse-he was in a lab. >somewhere. Can anyone help me with this? Where are the bodies? > >skm wrote: > >> Thank You sir. Very well stated!! >> >> wyly1@juno.com wrote: >> >> > Hi, they were Northern agents sent to reconstruct the South. They had a >> > type of luggage that looked like carpet. A few were honest, but many were >> > very political and plotted to keep the opposing party from voting. In >> > Hill County, Texas , a carpetbagger manipulated the elections by >> > declaring all Confederates as traitors and unable to vote. One officer >> > of Hood's Texas Brigade was an object of a posse of several,Black >> > deputies who were sent out to arrest the man, He faced them down >> > singlehandedly, promising to shoot the first Deputy who drew a gun. They >> > were also victims of Confiscatory adjusted taxes. >> > >> > A major cause of the James Brothers, Daltons and Youngers converting >> > from Army Gorillas and foragers to outlaw was due to armed Carpetbaggers >> > trying to confiscate Confederate family property. Many Carpetbaggers >> > from "Bleeding Kansas" were sent into Missouri with promise of political >> > power and favoritism at the ex >> > >> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:20 -0500 "Rachael/Lisa" <rachael@iswt.com> >> > writes: >> > > Hello: >> > > I have heard that expression alot. Just what is a carpetbagger? >> > > I want to know. I live in Tn. and have heard that word in derogatory >> > > alot. >> > > But noone ever said just what it meant exactly. >> > > Lisa >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "skm" <flintlock@kcnet.com> >> > > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2001 9:49 >> > > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama >> > > >> > > >> > > > When the carpetbaggers came to the south to supposedly rebuild it, >> > > all >> > > they had >> > > > to do was claim a person who still owned a farm was a southern >> > > sympathizer >> > > > and the farm and possessions were taken. >> > > > This was a great time of unrest and distrust. Yes, I agree, >> > > > the distrust of southern >> > > > people toward northern people is still deeply embedded. >> > > > >> > > > Geannie42@aol.com wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > While on the subject of divided families in the Great War, much >> > > of >> > > Tennessee >> > > > > was torn in their loyalties. In my own family, one paternal >> > > > > great-grandfather fought for the Union, one maternal >> > > great-grandfather >> > > fought >> > > > > for the Confederacy. But, to top that, I had four g-g-uncles, >> > > brothers, >> > > who >> > > > > were divided within the family, with two fighting for the Union >> > > and two >> > > for >> > > > > the Confederacy. All of these lived in the >> > > Wayne/Hardin/Lawrence County >> > > > > areas of southern middle Tennessee. There are many, many such >> > > stories >> > > from >> > > > > that area and that era. And believe me, feelings still run >> > > strong in >> > > this >> > > > > regard. >> > > > > >> > > > > Linda (Alabama) >> > > > > >> > > > > ============================== >> > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >> > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ============================== >> > > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >> > > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >> > > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ============================== >> > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the >> > > #1 >> > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> > > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >> > Source for Family History Online. 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The flim-flam artists, when they came south to feather their nests after the civil war usually carried everything they owned in a carpetbag. Therefore, "carpetbaggers" or someone who carried one. Bev.

Another reason the JAmes bros turned was because the north put a cannonball thru their house and blew off their step-mothers arm. Where is Jesse and Frank James body now? I know they exhumed Jesses body a number of years ago, but where is it now? I asked one time why people were pecking away at a certain headstone in the Kearney, Mo. cemetery. It was Jesse James headstone. At one time it was quite large, but thru the years people and their little hameers slowly whittled it away to nothing. Frank James(after being acquitted of all charges against him) moved to Hot Springs, Ar. and worked at HAppy Hollow, with the stipulation, no pics be taken. After that I lost track of him. The last I heard about Jesse-he was in a lab. somewhere. Can anyone help me with this? Where are the bodies? skm wrote: > Thank You sir. Very well stated!! > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > > Hi, they were Northern agents sent to reconstruct the South. They had a > > type of luggage that looked like carpet. A few were honest, but many were > > very political and plotted to keep the opposing party from voting. In > > Hill County, Texas , a carpetbagger manipulated the elections by > > declaring all Confederates as traitors and unable to vote. One officer > > of Hood's Texas Brigade was an object of a posse of several,Black > > deputies who were sent out to arrest the man, He faced them down > > singlehandedly, promising to shoot the first Deputy who drew a gun. They > > were also victims of Confiscatory adjusted taxes. > > > > A major cause of the James Brothers, Daltons and Youngers converting > > from Army Gorillas and foragers to outlaw was due to armed Carpetbaggers > > trying to confiscate Confederate family property. Many Carpetbaggers > > from "Bleeding Kansas" were sent into Missouri with promise of political > > power and favoritism at the ex > > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:20 -0500 "Rachael/Lisa" <rachael@iswt.com> > > writes: > > > Hello: > > > I have heard that expression alot. Just what is a carpetbagger? > > > I want to know. I live in Tn. and have heard that word in derogatory > > > alot. > > > But noone ever said just what it meant exactly. > > > Lisa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "skm" <flintlock@kcnet.com> > > > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2001 9:49 > > > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > > > > > > > > > > When the carpetbaggers came to the south to supposedly rebuild it, > > > all > > > they had > > > > to do was claim a person who still owned a farm was a southern > > > sympathizer > > > > and the farm and possessions were taken. > > > > This was a great time of unrest and distrust. Yes, I agree, > > > > the distrust of southern > > > > people toward northern people is still deeply embedded. > > > > > > > > Geannie42@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > While on the subject of divided families in the Great War, much > > > of > > > Tennessee > > > > > was torn in their loyalties. In my own family, one paternal > > > > > great-grandfather fought for the Union, one maternal > > > great-grandfather > > > fought > > > > > for the Confederacy. But, to top that, I had four g-g-uncles, > > > brothers, > > > who > > > > > were divided within the family, with two fighting for the Union > > > and two > > > for > > > > > the Confederacy. All of these lived in the > > > Wayne/Hardin/Lawrence County > > > > > areas of southern middle Tennessee. There are many, many such > > > stories > > > from > > > > > that area and that era. And believe me, feelings still run > > > strong in > > > this > > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > > > Linda (Alabama) > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > > > #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

you go girl. another Texan

Thank You sir. Very well stated!! wyly1@juno.com wrote: > Hi, they were Northern agents sent to reconstruct the South. They had a > type of luggage that looked like carpet. A few were honest, but many were > very political and plotted to keep the opposing party from voting. In > Hill County, Texas , a carpetbagger manipulated the elections by > declaring all Confederates as traitors and unable to vote. One officer > of Hood's Texas Brigade was an object of a posse of several,Black > deputies who were sent out to arrest the man, He faced them down > singlehandedly, promising to shoot the first Deputy who drew a gun. They > were also victims of Confiscatory adjusted taxes. > > A major cause of the James Brothers, Daltons and Youngers converting > from Army Gorillas and foragers to outlaw was due to armed Carpetbaggers > trying to confiscate Confederate family property. Many Carpetbaggers > from "Bleeding Kansas" were sent into Missouri with promise of political > power and favoritism at the ex > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:20 -0500 "Rachael/Lisa" <rachael@iswt.com> > writes: > > Hello: > > I have heard that expression alot. Just what is a carpetbagger? > > I want to know. I live in Tn. and have heard that word in derogatory > > alot. > > But noone ever said just what it meant exactly. > > Lisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "skm" <flintlock@kcnet.com> > > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2001 9:49 > > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Alabama > > > > > > > When the carpetbaggers came to the south to supposedly rebuild it, > > all > > they had > > > to do was claim a person who still owned a farm was a southern > > sympathizer > > > and the farm and possessions were taken. > > > This was a great time of unrest and distrust. Yes, I agree, > > > the distrust of southern > > > people toward northern people is still deeply embedded. > > > > > > Geannie42@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > While on the subject of divided families in the Great War, much > > of > > Tennessee > > > > was torn in their loyalties. In my own family, one paternal > > > > great-grandfather fought for the Union, one maternal > > great-grandfather > > fought > > > > for the Confederacy. But, to top that, I had four g-g-uncles, > > brothers, > > who > > > > were divided within the family, with two fighting for the Union > > and two > > for > > > > the Confederacy. All of these lived in the > > Wayne/Hardin/Lawrence County > > > > areas of southern middle Tennessee. There are many, many such > > stories > > from > > > > that area and that era. And believe me, feelings still run > > strong in > > this > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > Linda (Alabama) > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > > #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB