Where were your ADAMS from and where did they go? Jantonka@cs.com wrote: > I have Adams-Hunter-Hendryx-Pickett and many others in my tree anyone who > would like to talk about this please let me know.Thank you for your time. > > Jannette > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

With all due respect-You may have been born in Ga. but your attitude is truly Yankee. Now lets hear about your Davis name!! My surnames are ADAMS-MUSGROVE from Blount Al.-Graves-Speer-Phillips and last but not least TERRY. There may have been some Terrys in Texas, come to think of it. They may have fought all over the south? Are we getting back to what you want to read. My Musgrove- William H. died in Fl. in 1862-then a Mr. Hanna took over his position, All of this under the confederate FLAG. "James T. Rountree" wrote: > Could we just for the sake of argument get on to something else? I was > born and raised in the south. Macon, Georgia to be exact. While all for > the most part that has been said is true we can't fight the blasted thing > over again, the horse is dead so why beat it? If the flag had been used > for what it was intended for it would have been much better. Many colors > fought and Died for and under that flag. I had a gr gr gr uncle that > played both sides for the sake of his family. > Looking for Lovingood/Davis, Garrison/Mclendon plus a lot more true > southerners with yankee blood. > Ann in Georgia > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

I noticed you had a DAvis in your ancestors. That should be an interesting apple. Could you tell us something about them and where they hailed from? "James T. Rountree" wrote: > Any thing historical to do with the migration of our ancestors would be > nice. As to the apple falling from the tree, well there are a few apples > I just soon not know up close and personal. > Lovingood,Stovall/Davis, Garrison/Mclendon/Wall, > Ard/Hall/Harris,Bullar/Downer > Ann in Georgia > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Any thing historical to do with the migration of our ancestors would be nice. As to the apple falling from the tree, well there are a few apples I just soon not know up close and personal. Lovingood,Stovall/Davis, Garrison/Mclendon/Wall, Ard/Hall/Harris,Bullar/Downer Ann in Georgia

Now Jerry that is an interesting fact to learn. I am not opposed to a discussion but sometimes it gets old to see so many people get their blood pressure up over a thing we cannot change. The Civil War took a lot from families and gave nothing back. If it had given anything back then we wouldn't still be arguing over it's place in our lives. I don't want to see it become so heated a discussion that we loose the opportunity to meet and know many people, who may or may not be related to ourselves. Ann in Georgia

Southern Trails is Southern Trails. My surnames- Adams-Musgrove-Graves-Cuttler-James-:~) Grant-Sharp-Wallace Terry-Speer-Phillips. Ann-James Roundtree in Ga-What would you like to discuss? I have heard apples don't fall far from the TREE. "James T. Rountree" wrote: > Could we just for the sake of argument get on to something else? I was > born and raised in the south. Macon, Georgia to be exact. While all for > the most part that has been said is true we can't fight the blasted thing > over again, the horse is dead so why beat it? If the flag had been used > for what it was intended for it would have been much better. Many colors > fought and Died for and under that flag. I had a gr gr gr uncle that > played both sides for the sake of his family. > Looking for Lovingood/Davis, Garrison/Mclendon plus a lot more true > southerners with yankee blood. > Ann in Georgia > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Could we just for the sake of argument get on to something else? I was born and raised in the south. Macon, Georgia to be exact. While all for the most part that has been said is true we can't fight the blasted thing over again, the horse is dead so why beat it? If the flag had been used for what it was intended for it would have been much better. Many colors fought and Died for and under that flag. I had a gr gr gr uncle that played both sides for the sake of his family. Looking for Lovingood/Davis, Garrison/Mclendon plus a lot more true southerners with yankee blood. Ann in Georgia

The Confederate battle flag is the St.Andrews Cross. The St. Andrews Cross is still the state flag of Alabama and Florida. I suppose they are going to be the next "racist" flags to be hauled down. St. Andrew was crucified on a X cross rather than on the traditional Christian cross. Jerry C. -----Original Message----- From: skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Flying the Confederate Flag >Could someone explain about jayhawkers? Also, whoever wrote about it being >Pinkerton men who shot the James home could very possibly be right. > > >Hepgrannie@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 6/12/01 11:53:34 PM, historybuff123@hotmail.com writes: >> >> << If you think people >> fly that flag to show defiance, hatred of Yankees, or to be flat out racist, >> you have been brainwashed by the media and the poitically "correct" people >> to think as they do. >> >> >> As a born and bred "Yankee" from NY, I am in total agreement with you. After >> reading several accounts of the Civil War while looking for my paternal >> ancestors who supposedly rode with Quantrill, I have been enlightened as to >> the unfair treatment of the people who lived in Missouri and other southern >> areas.....not to mention the attrocities committed by the Union soldiers and >> the Jayhawkers. >> >> I knew that the war was not entirely about slavery as we were taught and >> "states rights" was the most important issue and I believe that as a >> political conservative (a rarity in NY?, not that rare, actually), we are >> still battling for less "Federalism". >> >> Anyway, the usual outcry about "freedom of expression" should also apply to >> anyone who wants to fly the Confederate flag, in my opinion. >> >> Eileen in NY >> >> ============================== >> Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

I suppose there are lots of different ideas about jayhawkers but for people who lived in Searcy County AR they were the lawless and deserters from both sides although they appear to have been primarily from the northern army. Searcy County was like so many areas with supporters of both the north and south. I know of at least three Searcy County cases where one brother fought for the north and another for the south. Because of its location there were hundreds, perhaps thousands of men (mostly northern) who passed through the area. This actually started some time prior to the end of the war. Many men either just decided to go home because they felt the end was near or their enlistment period was over. No one was safe from these jayhawkers, they killed old men, women and children simply because they wanted the food or animals the surviors had managed to save. Or for no reason at all, just because they had the guns and the power. All this is well documented in Searcy County history books. One important thing to remember was there were almost no men left to defend the homes. My great-great grandfather, Lemuel Holsted was home on leave in Feb 1865 from the Confederate Army when he was killed by Federal troops. Because there were no men at all to help the women, including his wife, tore apart an old wooden wagon bed to make a casket and the women burried him. My great-great grandmother Jennie Renfroe Harness was a young widow with two small sons. She use to "pin" their night clothes to hers so they could not get up at night and go outside with waking her. it was totally unsafe for anyone, even children to be out alone at night and it was not much better in the daytime. As in all armies there are some who learn to kill and rob and enjoy it. That is what these jayhawkers mostly were. Hope this is of some interest. Judy

Thank You for the info. I just saw a pic. of the new headstone of Jesse James. The older one was tall-and as I watched thru the years, it became nothing but a lump. Hopefully in the future-people will just look. Philip Lindsey wrote: > Dear List, > > Saw the below questions and had some info. > > Another reason the JAmes bros turned was because the north put a > > cannonball thru their house and blew off their step-mothers arm. > > I think this may be the famous Pinkerton Incident. It was a fire > bomb and was one of the first "great deeds" of Alan Pinkerton & Co., but > not the Northern Army. > > > >Where is Jesse and Frank James body now? I know they exhumed > > Jesse's body a number of years ago, but where is it now? > > Reinterred at Kearney. When disinterred for DNA analysis, Jesse's > casket was pretty much rotted away and was not in one piece when it > surfaced. DNA evidence showed that the grave was, indeed, that of Jesse > James. Mt DNA evidence was used and compared to several known and > documented descendants of the James brothers. > Frank James is buried in Hill Park in Independence, Missouri, along > with his wife and at least one of his children. The small cemetery is > well kept and walled in with stone to a height of about four feet. This > land was originally owned by the Hill family into which Frank married. > Frank passed the later years of his life in Independence, Missouri, > where he was regularly accounted for (and sometimes quoted) in the > Independence Examiner. > > I asked one time why > > people were pecking away at a certain headstone in the Kearney, Mo. > cemetery. > > It was Jesse James headstone. At one time it was quite large, but > through the > > years people and their little hameers slowly whittled it away to > nothing. > > Frank James(after being acquitted of all charges against him) moved > > to Hot Springs, Ar. and worked at HAppy Hollow, with the stipulation, > no > > pics be taken. > > >After that I lost track of him. The last I heard about Jesse-he > > was in a lab. somewhere. Can anyone help me with this? Where are the > bodies? > > > > > It sometimes is worth reflecting on how many folks claimed to be > someone else in those days when documentation was harderto come by. And, > between the want of many to believe the stories and the great ability of > some of the poseurs to spin credible tales, there was almost a cottage > industry in the early twentieth century of men who claim to be Frank or > Jesse James, Cole Younger, etc. > Alas, I think we have to realize that they were mortals who died > (pretty surely where they were said to have died and been buried at the > time) and it is only the legends that are immortal. > > Regards, > > Phil Lindsey > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Could someone explain about jayhawkers? Also, whoever wrote about it being Pinkerton men who shot the James home could very possibly be right. Hepgrannie@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/12/01 11:53:34 PM, historybuff123@hotmail.com writes: > > << If you think people > fly that flag to show defiance, hatred of Yankees, or to be flat out racist, > you have been brainwashed by the media and the poitically "correct" people > to think as they do. >> > > As a born and bred "Yankee" from NY, I am in total agreement with you. After > reading several accounts of the Civil War while looking for my paternal > ancestors who supposedly rode with Quantrill, I have been enlightened as to > the unfair treatment of the people who lived in Missouri and other southern > areas.....not to mention the attrocities committed by the Union soldiers and > the Jayhawkers. > > I knew that the war was not entirely about slavery as we were taught and > "states rights" was the most important issue and I believe that as a > political conservative (a rarity in NY?, not that rare, actually), we are > still battling for less "Federalism". > > Anyway, the usual outcry about "freedom of expression" should also apply to > anyone who wants to fly the Confederate flag, in my opinion. > > Eileen in NY > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

In a message dated 6/12/01 11:53:34 PM, historybuff123@hotmail.com writes: << If you think people fly that flag to show defiance, hatred of Yankees, or to be flat out racist, you have been brainwashed by the media and the poitically "correct" people to think as they do. >> As a born and bred "Yankee" from NY, I am in total agreement with you. After reading several accounts of the Civil War while looking for my paternal ancestors who supposedly rode with Quantrill, I have been enlightened as to the unfair treatment of the people who lived in Missouri and other southern areas.....not to mention the attrocities committed by the Union soldiers and the Jayhawkers. I knew that the war was not entirely about slavery as we were taught and "states rights" was the most important issue and I believe that as a political conservative (a rarity in NY?, not that rare, actually), we are still battling for less "Federalism". Anyway, the usual outcry about "freedom of expression" should also apply to anyone who wants to fly the Confederate flag, in my opinion. Eileen in NY

The same thing happend to the gravestone of Belle (Shirley) Starr. Her headstone (what is left of it anyways) is locked behind a hurricane fence. See photo at these websites. http://www.dimensional.com/~sgrimm/bstarr.htm http://www.findagrave.com/pictures/975.html Here also are photos of Jesse James headstones. http://www.dimensional.com/~sgrimm/jjames.htm http://www.findagrave.com/pictures/6228.html http://www.findagrave.com/pictures/539.html Vanessa

Hi, Somewhere in the back of memory I remember Dr. Jack Scroggs of North Texas State University Graduate school telling us what is recognized as the Confederate Flag with the Red and the Cross corner, He said this was a Regimental flag which was copied by other units and nt the flag adopted by the Confederate Congress. Also, he stated that before the war ended there were more Butternut Brown Confederate Uniforms on battlefields- Apparently the Gray was a dress uniform by the war's end, but, as supplies were cut off and ports blocaded, the only dye available in a large Quantity was Black Walnut - the soft bark around the hard shell. This made the Butternut Brown uniforms more like solid brown- some Army fatigue and combat uniforms have taken on the Desert Storm brown spotted uniforms. Fort Jessup, near a 1600 acre Federal Park and museum OFF the main road near Raylene La. on El Camio Real or the Old Spanish Trail, was opened near the Texas Border as soon as we bought Louisiana. It is between Natchitoches, La. and Nacodoches, Texas on a loop off the Many Highway, about 8 miles from the first Spanish Capitol of Texas- near Zwollie. Some Natchitoches buildings on the Cane River port are older than many in the New Orleans French Quarter, but St. Louis already also claims older buildings than in "N'Orlens" Gray uniforms were given out by Pres. Jackson before 1836 to soldiers who were also given a rifle and told there was land in Texas if theuy individually wanted some of it. These Uniforms of the "New Orleans Grays" are in the St. Louis Cathedral museum near Jackson Square on Burbon or a neighboring street.in New Orleans. Most people seeing them think they are Confederate Uniforms, which came 50 years later. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:41:18 EDT LRudd71847@aol.com writes: > <<HISTORY IS NEVER POLITICALLY CORRECT, but only when the truth of > what > happened to the South is ever able to come to light, especially the > horrors > of Reconstruction, will there be full understanding as to why > Southerners > continue to honor their Confederate dead and the flag. If you think > people > fly that flag to show defiance, hatred of Yankees, or to be flat out > racist, > you have been brainwashed by the media and the poitically "correct" > people > to think as they do. > > Today the flag is flown, as any country's flag, as a point of honor: > honor > of the dead and honor to an idea for a better form of government. > It is > interesting that we are still fighting about what we were fighting > about in > the War Between the States. Many men have died in many wars for > freedom and > that includes a Southerner's right to fly their flag of honor.>> > > Thank you for posting that information, and you said it very well. > Yes, > everybody has the right to an opinion, after all we live in a > country where > that right is protected. But before one attempts to put their > "opinion" on > the table as "fact" they need to know the history, the TRUE history. > That is > what genealogy is all about ... your history ... not just collecting > names > and dates, but also understanding the whys and the whats of the > events of the > time and the impact they had on our ancestors. It concerns me > personally that > so many people are willing to take history based on what they are > told or see > in the media instead of investigating it themselves. > Thank you for stating it well, > Linda in Texas > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

We cant change history. So why hide the flags that represent it? I know they offend some. But alot of things offendmay people. We cant just tear everything down that offends someone. Our history is our history like it or not. Everyone should know the truth. Just like the movie 'Pearl harbor" them changing the ending or some parts for the Japanese so they wouldnt be offended. You shouldnt change our history. Pretty soon some group will want to omit parts of the Bible. Lisa heritage -Creek indian, Dutch, Cherokee and Spanish and English. Birthplace Tennessee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "skm" <flintlock@kcnet.com> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2001 10:46 Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Flying the Confederate Flag > As far as I know, there is no LAW that reads" You can't wear a southern flag". > If there is could you please send. > > > Vanessa Burzynski wrote: > > > I will have to agree with you 100 percent. Although I was born and raised in > > Texas, my ancestors came from Alabama and fought in the civil war. I am proud > > of my southern heritage and I would proudly display the confederate flag just as > > I would the Texas flag. Our school district where we live suspended a student > > recently for wearing a t-shirt with the confederate flag on it. Now the parents > > are sueing the school district for violating their rights. When are we going to > > stop fighting the war? > > > > Vanessa in Texas > > > > Tory Braden wrote: > > > > > I think we are getting off the tract when we are posting opinions such as > > > when a lister says he thinks it is wrong for another to fly the Confederate > > > flag...Many men have died in many wars for freedom and that includes a > > > Southerner's right to fly their flag of honor. > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

<<HISTORY IS NEVER POLITICALLY CORRECT, but only when the truth of what happened to the South is ever able to come to light, especially the horrors of Reconstruction, will there be full understanding as to why Southerners continue to honor their Confederate dead and the flag. If you think people fly that flag to show defiance, hatred of Yankees, or to be flat out racist, you have been brainwashed by the media and the poitically "correct" people to think as they do. Today the flag is flown, as any country's flag, as a point of honor: honor of the dead and honor to an idea for a better form of government. It is interesting that we are still fighting about what we were fighting about in the War Between the States. Many men have died in many wars for freedom and that includes a Southerner's right to fly their flag of honor.>> Thank you for posting that information, and you said it very well. Yes, everybody has the right to an opinion, after all we live in a country where that right is protected. But before one attempts to put their "opinion" on the table as "fact" they need to know the history, the TRUE history. That is what genealogy is all about ... your history ... not just collecting names and dates, but also understanding the whys and the whats of the events of the time and the impact they had on our ancestors. It concerns me personally that so many people are willing to take history based on what they are told or see in the media instead of investigating it themselves. Thank you for stating it well, Linda in Texas

Dear List, Saw the below questions and had some info. Another reason the JAmes bros turned was because the north put a > cannonball thru their house and blew off their step-mothers arm. I think this may be the famous Pinkerton Incident. It was a fire bomb and was one of the first "great deeds" of Alan Pinkerton & Co., but not the Northern Army. > >Where is Jesse and Frank James body now? I know they exhumed > Jesse's body a number of years ago, but where is it now? Reinterred at Kearney. When disinterred for DNA analysis, Jesse's casket was pretty much rotted away and was not in one piece when it surfaced. DNA evidence showed that the grave was, indeed, that of Jesse James. Mt DNA evidence was used and compared to several known and documented descendants of the James brothers. Frank James is buried in Hill Park in Independence, Missouri, along with his wife and at least one of his children. The small cemetery is well kept and walled in with stone to a height of about four feet. This land was originally owned by the Hill family into which Frank married. Frank passed the later years of his life in Independence, Missouri, where he was regularly accounted for (and sometimes quoted) in the Independence Examiner. I asked one time why > people were pecking away at a certain headstone in the Kearney, Mo. cemetery. > It was Jesse James headstone. At one time it was quite large, but through the > years people and their little hameers slowly whittled it away to nothing. > Frank James(after being acquitted of all charges against him) moved > to Hot Springs, Ar. and worked at HAppy Hollow, with the stipulation, no > pics be taken. > >After that I lost track of him. The last I heard about Jesse-he > was in a lab. somewhere. Can anyone help me with this? Where are the bodies? > > It sometimes is worth reflecting on how many folks claimed to be someone else in those days when documentation was harderto come by. And, between the want of many to believe the stories and the great ability of some of the poseurs to spin credible tales, there was almost a cottage industry in the early twentieth century of men who claim to be Frank or Jesse James, Cole Younger, etc. Alas, I think we have to realize that they were mortals who died (pretty surely where they were said to have died and been buried at the time) and it is only the legends that are immortal. Regards, Phil Lindsey

As far as I know, there is no LAW that reads" You can't wear a southern flag". If there is could you please send. Vanessa Burzynski wrote: > I will have to agree with you 100 percent. Although I was born and raised in > Texas, my ancestors came from Alabama and fought in the civil war. I am proud > of my southern heritage and I would proudly display the confederate flag just as > I would the Texas flag. Our school district where we live suspended a student > recently for wearing a t-shirt with the confederate flag on it. Now the parents > are sueing the school district for violating their rights. When are we going to > stop fighting the war? > > Vanessa in Texas > > Tory Braden wrote: > > > I think we are getting off the tract when we are posting opinions such as > > when a lister says he thinks it is wrong for another to fly the Confederate > > flag...Many men have died in many wars for freedom and that includes a > > Southerner's right to fly their flag of honor. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Well said!