In a message dated 6/15/2001 1:30:16 PM Central Daylight Time, MomNat@aol.com writes: > http://www.kenyontools.com/products/striking/34-320a.htm Yep, we called them grubbin' hoes. They were heavier and sturdier than a regular hoe and could be used to cut fairly roots and small trees, etc., and should be kept very sharp, like an acte. Nearly all farms had some. They don't bring back memories of the good ole times to me. Charles

I still have one of those lurking around here somewhere. That handle and weight was enough to get you in good physical shape. We called them Maddox or mattox-Not sure of the spelling-but know what it was made for. Outhouse holes- A pick-a shovel- and one of those. Fun on the farm was great, wasn't it? In the summer when school was out it was time for strawberries- then you haven't has any fun at all until you peel 3 bushel of peaches to be canned. They were put into wash tubs with water, pick yourself a spot under the oaks, and grin. Then came blackberry and huckleberry time. Climbing mountains for those lil ole huckleberries-or climbing into a briar patch for those blackberries. You could always tell Mr. and Mrs suburbia out driving the roads for blackberries. They had on shorts. Thanks for the eye hoe. It's pic and the comments- have definately brought back memories. I enjoy you people!! CHASMID@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/15/2001 1:30:16 PM Central Daylight Time, MomNat@aol.com > writes: > > > http://www.kenyontools.com/products/striking/34-320a.htm > > Yep, we called them grubbin' hoes. They were heavier and sturdier than a > regular hoe and could be used to cut fairly roots and small trees, etc., and > should be kept very sharp, like an acte. Nearly all farms had some. They > don't bring back memories of the good ole times to me. > > Charles > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Eye hoe, eye hoe, it's off to work we go! Jim Blease MomNat@aol.com wrote: > > http://www.kenyontools.com/products/striking/34-320a.htm > > here is a picture of one > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

http://www.kenyontools.com/products/striking/34-320a.htm here is a picture of one

Many years ago my son wanted a computer so bad he hoed weeds out of a soybean field all summer. That boy sure loved that computer. My daughter did the same, except she went shopping and was very proud of the clothes she bought. They are both police officers now and have grown to be very likable, self sufficient, people. I am not saying the hoe did it, but they learned their self-worth and they walk with pride and dignity. wyly1@juno.com wrote: > An eye hoe is one with a heavier blade, heavier handle- long handle, and > a tapered eye on the back of the hoe which keeps the handle tight in the > hoe. it is much heavier than a regular Garden hoe and in an 8 or 10 hour > day it will blister hands without gloves andmake for very sore muscles- > the boys who hauled hay and did a cotton or corn crop with an eye hoe > were in shape for Football season started, if they were still in school. > One had a file handy to keep it razor sharp . > > We used them on large cockleburs or Cuckleburs and used to dig Johnson > grass runners and cut sunflowers out of cotton and corn with them. My > Uncle let some land grow up when starting a dairy. @When he tried to plow > it with a John Deere tractor and a light breaking plow, he had to first > cut down many10 foot tall Sunflowers with a light axe and got smaller > ones with an Eye hoe so the plow would track in dry Blackland Prairie. He > had a 30 HP tractor. Today they use 60 to 90 HP Tractors or larger and > shred all such trash growth int straw and then plow it under . > > Next time you go to a museum, ask to see an Eye Hoe. > > Take Care, Charles A. Wyly > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:17:06 -0500 skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> writes: > > Could you please explain to our friends to the N. what an eye hoe > > is. > > An eye hoe can cure a lot of problems. Smart mouth is one. > > > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > > > > hI, Someone got a date wrong. He served in the Civil War and > > washanged > > > Oct.11, 1878, so he was bornHe must have been born before 1850. . > > The > > > photo in this paper shows with a Black Beard (Narrow Goatee) and > > heavy > > > black moustashe. He was hanged for killing Wilson Anderson,one of > > his 32 > > > victims. My grandson is 19 and sported a beard and mustashe for a > > few > > > months, He is six feet and did weigh over 250 when he played > > football 5 > > > years ago. He is not fat, just big boned and muscled. > > > > > > Great Grandad Robert Augustine Wyly marched into the Battle of > > Shiloh as > > > a Drummer, age 13 and marched out as a soldier with a gun. He > > lived to be > > > 93 and died in Tulsa, 1937 of Typhoid, caught from a well. His > > brother > > > James Allen Wyly was in the same battle, His Uncle Capt. Ben F. > > Wyly , > > > lost an eye in the Battle of Knoxville and lived into his late > > 80's, > > > buried in Comanche County, Texas. Oliver Cromwell Wyly, their > > dad, sent > > > a letter to the Gov. of Georgia promising 3000 gallons of fine > > Whiskey > > > for the troops,( His brother and son Ran the Wyly Wholesale > > Grocery in > > > Atlanta. O.C.soon joined as a Captain and returned to Habersham > > County > > > where he piled a trunk full of Confederate money in his yard and > > burned > > > it. > > > > > > So far as age goes, my wife's grandfather was born abt 1850 in > > Ireland , > > > James Whitcomb O'Riley, stowed awayn on a ship and the Captain > > signed him > > > on as a Sheet Metal (Tinker) Aprentice in New York Harbor. He > > moved top > > > Cleburne, Texas and died in 1893, leaving 2 sets of Children. My > > wife was > > > born in Pettit, Texas in 1936 whgen her dad was about 50. > > > > > > Also, Ben F. Wyly's grandson drove 3000 head of sheep to San > > Angelo, > > > Texas, age 17 and deliverred them to former owners of > > Stephenville, Tx > > > Cage and Crow Bank- they swapped the sheep for Erath County > > property. He > > > had to stay up some nights with a rifle, age 17 to keep cattlemen > > from > > > riding in and shooting the sheep. That was 1887. > > > > > > My wife's dad had 4 years of Schoolhousing, but could add 2 > > columns of > > > Cotton weight or calf prices in his head faster than I could write > > them. > > > At age 12 or so he was buying cattle around Glen Rose and driving > > them > > > back across the Brazos to the Cleburne Slaughter House. > > > > > > Sometimes I do not think every child should be in a computerized > > > classroom to age 18 - He coulds be learning more in a Cooperative > > > Education Class or working. A man in Hill County said an Eye Hoe > > in a > > > Johnson Grass infested cotton patch would cure Juvenile > > Delinquency and > > > provide motivation to find a better life. > > > > > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:27:27 -0600 Peter Selph/Kathy Duncan > > > <ppskdd2@airmail.net> writes: > > > > Charles: > > > > > > > > You are the person to ask about Wild Bill Longley. > > > > > > > > The Dallas Morning News article in today's paper > > > > says that Longley was hanged in 1878 at the age of > > > > 27 and that he was "one of the West's bloodiest > > > > pre-Civil War outlaws. I've never been very good > > > > at math, but just how bloody a career can someone > > > > manage before the age of 10?! And did he enlist > > > > near the beginning of The War or the end? Was he > > > > just a drummer boy? > > > > > > > > The Dallas Morning News also has a picture of full > > > > skeletal remains for Longley, exhumed in 1998--not > > > > just a tooth. In fact, they used his remains to disprove > > > > a one of Longley's wild stories that he had been > > > > shot in the mouth: "'That didn't happen because he's > > > > got beautiful teeth and didn't lose any of them,' > > > > Dr. Owsley said." > > > > > > > > They matched the DNA of the skeleton to the DNA of > > > > Helen Chapman, a great-grand daughter of Longley's sister. > > > > > > > > Still there are no details about Longley's prepubescent > > > > crime-spree and that seems like the most interesting > > > > part of the story!! :) > > > > > > > > In any event, it looks like Ted Wax is going to have to > > > > give up and do some real research on his Brown family!! > > > > Can't blame him for trying to turn his Brown's into > > > > Longleys--Brown has got to be the worst name on the planet > > > > to research. It's right up there with Smith. > > > > > > > > Kathy Duncan > > > > > > > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > never heard of him? His life was depicted in the 1950's TV > > movie > > > > or > > > > > programs called THE TEXAN. He was born WILLIAM PRESTON > > (WILD > > > > BILL) > > > > > LONGLEY and was a veteran of the Civil WarHe was hanged and > > > > buried in > > > > > Giddings, Texas in 1878The story persisted that the sheriff > > was > > > > bribed to > > > > > put some leather harness under his shirt and fake a hanging. > > TEXAS > > > > HAS > > > > > NEVER HAD PUBLIC HANGINGS, ACCORDING TO h. GRADY PERRY, State > > > > Rep. from > > > > > Erath County. The scaffold was prepared as crowds of families > > > > gatherred > > > > > to watch. Blinds were raised around the actual hanging site. > > The > > > > criminal > > > > > was marched in vew of the crowd, Blinds were raised for > > > > > privacy,thehanging took place, and the blinds or privacy > > shields > > > > were > > > > > dropped after he was pronounced dead for all to see as a crime > > > > prevention > > > > > and education method. > > > > > > > > > > Ted Wax of .Gonzales, la. claimed he was a grandson of CAPT. > > JOHN > > > > > CALHOUN BROWN, a prosperous planter of Bienville Parrish , > > La. > > > > This line > > > > > followed the idea that a box of Rocks were in Wild Bill's > > grave in > > > > Texas. > > > > > BROOKS ELWOOD, Chairman of Genealoogy Dept of Louisiana > > State > > > > > Universith started investigating and somehow got the > > Smithsonian > > > > > Institute interested. They used imaging equipment to find > > Bill's > > > > grave in > > > > > Giddings , as the family knew where it was- but his headstone > > had > > > > been > > > > > moved as some objected to be buried by a criminal. - moved > > twice, > > > > > according toplats and historians. The Grave was not moved. > > > > > > > > > > When LSU and the Smithsonian excavated the grave recently, > > they > > > > found > > > > > decayed clothing, boot heels (tops had rotted) and a tooth. > > Bones > > > > had > > > > > decayed too much to test(?)According to DNA testing on the > > tooth > > > > and > > > > > known descendants of Mr. Longley, they are 100% sure this was > > a > > > > Longley, > > > > > and 95.something% that it was Wild Bill, not a box of rocks > > for a > > > > fake > > > > > funeral. ( I know of one Texas Cemetery where Blacks and > > whites > > > > are > > > > > buried in same cemetery, but several graves of white Cattle > > > > Rustlers are > > > > > buried down the road to themselves. I do not know if they were > > > > hanged > > > > > legally or by Vigilantes during the days that the > > Reconstrution > > > > days > > > > > sheriff and deputies stayed close to the office unless in > > groups. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a Geneaology chart which shows these > > percentages > > > > of > > > > > accuracy? According to this report, Jesse James DNA proof > > should > > > > be 95% > > > > > accurate, decreasing each generation. If it did not , all us > > > > Coffee or > > > > > Cleveland or Wyly or Sevier or Miller or Harris cousins or > > > > Copeland or > > > > > Carey or Hipp cousins. would have the same DNA. Any answers? > > > > > > > > > > Scientists and archeologists and Geneaologists worked on this > > > > grave and > > > > > family testing for 15 months before issueing their final > > report. > > > > > > > > > > The past is fun to read about and profit from their mistakes > > once > > > > we > > > > > recognize them, and also for hereditary disease predictions, > > but I > > > > just > > > > > wish we would SPEND AS MUCH TIME FINDING OUR SOLDIERS IN > > KOREA > > > > AND > > > > > vIETNAM, ALIVE OR DEAD. Ask most Jr. High and many High > > School > > > > kids when > > > > > and where was the Korean War and they will askif it was before > > or > > > > After > > > > > WW1? I taught 33 years and have been Substituting since 1989. > > > > Korea and > > > > > Vietnam had many lessons we could learn if we just quit > > ignoring > > > > its > > > > > lessons. We did not ride down and shoot Vets who went to > > Canada to > > > > avoid > > > > > the draft as some did on both sides , making their own law as > > they > > > > went > > > > > along. I did not agree with them but they have the same > > freedonm > > > > to their > > > > > ideas as I doo to mine, . > > > > > > > > > > SOURCE OF LONGLEY INFO; > > > > > > > > > > Waco Tribune- Herald, June 14, 2001, from Cox News Service, > > Stphen > > > > Krupin > > > > > , reporter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Charles A. 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I think we called those brush hooks which is a long handled cutter. The Eye-Hoe sometimes was called a grubbing hoe; hence the saying - " trying to grub out a living " Bill Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffee" <j.coff@verizon.net> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 15 June 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Longley-Preston-Brown-& Wild Bill Longley > Is that tool similar to a "jo-blade"? They use a jo-blade to cut heavy > underbrush. My friend from Mississippi called it a jo-blade. I don't know > what else to call it. It is a single edge blade with a curved tip on it. > Perhaps it is called a sling-blade by some people. It is not a yo-yo, I know > what those damned things are because I have used them enough. . > > Jerry C. > -----Original Message----- > From: wyly1@juno.com <wyly1@juno.com> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Longley-Preston-Brown-& Wild Bill Longley > > > >An eye hoe is one with a heavier blade, heavier handle- long handle, and > >a tapered eye on the back of the hoe which keeps the handle tight in the > >hoe. it is much heavier than a regular Garden hoe and in an 8 or 10 hour > >day it will blister hands without gloves andmake for very sore muscles- > >the boys who hauled hay and did a cotton or corn crop with an eye hoe > >were in shape for Football season started, if they were still in school. > >One had a file handy to keep it razor sharp . > > > > We used them on large cockleburs or Cuckleburs and used to dig Johnson > >grass runners and cut sunflowers out of cotton and corn with them. My > >Uncle let some land grow up when starting a dairy. @When he tried to plow > >it with a John Deere tractor and a light breaking plow, he had to first > >cut down many10 foot tall Sunflowers with a light axe and got smaller > >ones with an Eye hoe so the plow would track in dry Blackland Prairie. He > >had a 30 HP tractor. Today they use 60 to 90 HP Tractors or larger and > >shred all such trash growth int straw and then plow it under . > > > >Next time you go to a museum, ask to see an Eye Hoe. > > > >Take Care, Charles A. Wyly > > > >On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:17:06 -0500 skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> writes: > >> Could you please explain to our friends to the N. what an eye hoe > >> is. > >> An eye hoe can cure a lot of problems. Smart mouth is one. > >> > >> wyly1@juno.com wrote: > >> > >> > hI, Someone got a date wrong. He served in the Civil War and > >> washanged > >> > Oct.11, 1878, so he was bornHe must have been born before 1850. . > >> The > >> > photo in this paper shows with a Black Beard (Narrow Goatee) and > >> heavy > >> > black moustashe. He was hanged for killing Wilson Anderson,one of > >> his 32 > >> > victims. My grandson is 19 and sported a beard and mustashe for a > >> few > >> > months, He is six feet and did weigh over 250 when he played > >> football 5 > >> > years ago. He is not fat, just big boned and muscled. > >> > > >> > Great Grandad Robert Augustine Wyly marched into the Battle of > >> Shiloh as > >> > a Drummer, age 13 and marched out as a soldier with a gun. He > >> lived to be > >> > 93 and died in Tulsa, 1937 of Typhoid, caught from a well. His > >> brother > >> > James Allen Wyly was in the same battle, His Uncle Capt. Ben F. > >> Wyly , > >> > lost an eye in the Battle of Knoxville and lived into his late > >> 80's, > >> > buried in Comanche County, Texas. Oliver Cromwell Wyly, their > >> dad, sent > >> > a letter to the Gov. of Georgia promising 3000 gallons of fine > >> Whiskey > >> > for the troops,( His brother and son Ran the Wyly Wholesale > >> Grocery in > >> > Atlanta. O.C.soon joined as a Captain and returned to Habersham > >> County > >> > where he piled a trunk full of Confederate money in his yard and > >> burned > >> > it. > >> > > >> > So far as age goes, my wife's grandfather was born abt 1850 in > >> Ireland , > >> > James Whitcomb O'Riley, stowed awayn on a ship and the Captain > >> signed him > >> > on as a Sheet Metal (Tinker) Aprentice in New York Harbor. He > >> moved top > >> > Cleburne, Texas and died in 1893, leaving 2 sets of Children. My > >> wife was > >> > born in Pettit, Texas in 1936 whgen her dad was about 50. > >> > > >> > Also, Ben F. Wyly's grandson drove 3000 head of sheep to San > >> Angelo, > >> > Texas, age 17 and deliverred them to former owners of > >> Stephenville, Tx > >> > Cage and Crow Bank- they swapped the sheep for Erath County > >> property. He > >> > had to stay up some nights with a rifle, age 17 to keep cattlemen > >> from > >> > riding in and shooting the sheep. That was 1887. > >> > > >> > My wife's dad had 4 years of Schoolhousing, but could add 2 > >> columns of > >> > Cotton weight or calf prices in his head faster than I could write > >> them. > >> > At age 12 or so he was buying cattle around Glen Rose and driving > >> them > >> > back across the Brazos to the Cleburne Slaughter House. > >> > > >> > Sometimes I do not think every child should be in a computerized > >> > classroom to age 18 - He coulds be learning more in a Cooperative > >> > Education Class or working. A man in Hill County said an Eye Hoe > >> in a > >> > Johnson Grass infested cotton patch would cure Juvenile > >> Delinquency and > >> > provide motivation to find a better life. > >> > > >> > Charles A. Wyly > >> > > >> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:27:27 -0600 Peter Selph/Kathy Duncan > >> > <ppskdd2@airmail.net> writes: > >> > > Charles: > >> > > > >> > > You are the person to ask about Wild Bill Longley. > >> > > > >> > > The Dallas Morning News article in today's paper > >> > > says that Longley was hanged in 1878 at the age of > >> > > 27 and that he was "one of the West's bloodiest > >> > > pre-Civil War outlaws. I've never been very good > >> > > at math, but just how bloody a career can someone > >> > > manage before the age of 10?! And did he enlist > >> > > near the beginning of The War or the end? Was he > >> > > just a drummer boy? > >> > > > >> > > The Dallas Morning News also has a picture of full > >> > > skeletal remains for Longley, exhumed in 1998--not > >> > > just a tooth. In fact, they used his remains to disprove > >> > > a one of Longley's wild stories that he had been > >> > > shot in the mouth: "'That didn't happen because he's > >> > > got beautiful teeth and didn't lose any of them,' > >> > > Dr. Owsley said." > >> > > > >> > > They matched the DNA of the skeleton to the DNA of > >> > > Helen Chapman, a great-grand daughter of Longley's sister. > >> > > > >> > > Still there are no details about Longley's prepubescent > >> > > crime-spree and that seems like the most interesting > >> > > part of the story!! :) > >> > > > >> > > In any event, it looks like Ted Wax is going to have to > >> > > give up and do some real research on his Brown family!! > >> > > Can't blame him for trying to turn his Brown's into > >> > > Longleys--Brown has got to be the worst name on the planet > >> > > to research. It's right up there with Smith. > >> > > > >> > > Kathy Duncan > >> > > > >> > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > > never heard of him? His life was depicted in the 1950's TV > >> movie > >> > > or > >> > > > programs called THE TEXAN. He was born WILLIAM PRESTON > >> (WILD > >> > > BILL) > >> > > > LONGLEY and was a veteran of the Civil WarHe was hanged and > >> > > buried in > >> > > > Giddings, Texas in 1878The story persisted that the sheriff > >> was > >> > > bribed to > >> > > > put some leather harness under his shirt and fake a hanging. > >> TEXAS > >> > > HAS > >> > > > NEVER HAD PUBLIC HANGINGS, ACCORDING TO h. GRADY PERRY, State > >> > > Rep. from > >> > > > Erath County. The scaffold was prepared as crowds of families > >> > > gatherred > >> > > > to watch. Blinds were raised around the actual hanging site. > >> The > >> > > criminal > >> > > > was marched in vew of the crowd, Blinds were raised for > >> > > > privacy,thehanging took place, and the blinds or privacy > >> shields > >> > > were > >> > > > dropped after he was pronounced dead for all to see as a crime > >> > > prevention > >> > > > and education method. > >> > > > > >> > > > Ted Wax of .Gonzales, la. claimed he was a grandson of CAPT. > >> JOHN > >> > > > CALHOUN BROWN, a prosperous planter of Bienville Parrish , > >> La. > >> > > This line > >> > > > followed the idea that a box of Rocks were in Wild Bill's > >> grave in > >> > > Texas. > >> > > > BROOKS ELWOOD, Chairman of Genealoogy Dept of Louisiana > >> State > >> > > > Universith started investigating and somehow got the > >> Smithsonian > >> > > > Institute interested. They used imaging equipment to find > >> Bill's > >> > > grave in > >> > > > Giddings , as the family knew where it was- but his headstone > >> had > >> > > been > >> > > > moved as some objected to be buried by a criminal. - moved > >> twice, > >> > > > according toplats and historians. The Grave was not moved. > >> > > > > >> > > > When LSU and the Smithsonian excavated the grave recently, > >> they > >> > > found > >> > > > decayed clothing, boot heels (tops had rotted) and a tooth. > >> Bones > >> > > had > >> > > > decayed too much to test(?)According to DNA testing on the > >> tooth > >> > > and > >> > > > known descendants of Mr. Longley, they are 100% sure this was > >> a > >> > > Longley, > >> > > > and 95.something% that it was Wild Bill, not a box of rocks > >> for a > >> > > fake > >> > > > funeral. ( I know of one Texas Cemetery where Blacks and > >> whites > >> > > are > >> > > > buried in same cemetery, but several graves of white Cattle > >> > > Rustlers are > >> > > > buried down the road to themselves. I do not know if they were > >> > > hanged > >> > > > legally or by Vigilantes during the days that the > >> Reconstrution > >> > > days > >> > > > sheriff and deputies stayed close to the office unless in > >> groups. > >> > > > > >> > > > Does anyone have a Geneaology chart which shows these > >> percentages > >> > > of > >> > > > accuracy? According to this report, Jesse James DNA proof > >> should > >> > > be 95% > >> > > > accurate, decreasing each generation. If it did not , all us > >> > > Coffee or > >> > > > Cleveland or Wyly or Sevier or Miller or Harris cousins or > >> > > Copeland or > >> > > > Carey or Hipp cousins. would have the same DNA. Any answers? > >> > > > > >> > > > Scientists and archeologists and Geneaologists worked on this > >> > > grave and > >> > > > family testing for 15 months before issueing their final > >> report. > >> > > > > >> > > > The past is fun to read about and profit from their mistakes > >> once > >> > > we > >> > > > recognize them, and also for hereditary disease predictions, > >> but I > >> > > just > >> > > > wish we would SPEND AS MUCH TIME FINDING OUR SOLDIERS IN > >> KOREA > >> > > AND > >> > > > vIETNAM, ALIVE OR DEAD. Ask most Jr. High and many High > >> School > >> > > kids when > >> > > > and where was the Korean War and they will askif it was before > >> or > >> > > After > >> > > > WW1? I taught 33 years and have been Substituting since 1989. > >> > > Korea and > >> > > > Vietnam had many lessons we could learn if we just quit > >> ignoring > >> > > its > >> > > > lessons. We did not ride down and shoot Vets who went to > >> Canada to > >> > > avoid > >> > > > the draft as some did on both sides , making their own law as > >> they > >> > > went > >> > > > along. I did not agree with them but they have the same > >> freedonm > >> > > to their > >> > > > ideas as I doo to mine, . > >> > > > > >> > > > SOURCE OF LONGLEY INFO; > >> > > > > >> > > > Waco Tribune- Herald, June 14, 2001, from Cox News Service, > >> Stphen > >> > > Krupin > >> > > > , reporter. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Take care, > >> > > > Charles A. Wyly > >> > > > > >> > > > ============================== > >> > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > >> > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > >> > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ============================== > >> > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > >> > > Celebrate > >> > > your heritage! > >> > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >> > > > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > >> #1 > >> > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >> > > >> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > >> #1 > >> Source for Family History Online. 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Is that tool similar to a "jo-blade"? They use a jo-blade to cut heavy underbrush. My friend from Mississippi called it a jo-blade. I don't know what else to call it. It is a single edge blade with a curved tip on it. Perhaps it is called a sling-blade by some people. It is not a yo-yo, I know what those damned things are because I have used them enough. . Jerry C. -----Original Message----- From: wyly1@juno.com <wyly1@juno.com> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Longley-Preston-Brown-& Wild Bill Longley >An eye hoe is one with a heavier blade, heavier handle- long handle, and >a tapered eye on the back of the hoe which keeps the handle tight in the >hoe. it is much heavier than a regular Garden hoe and in an 8 or 10 hour >day it will blister hands without gloves andmake for very sore muscles- >the boys who hauled hay and did a cotton or corn crop with an eye hoe >were in shape for Football season started, if they were still in school. >One had a file handy to keep it razor sharp . > > We used them on large cockleburs or Cuckleburs and used to dig Johnson >grass runners and cut sunflowers out of cotton and corn with them. My >Uncle let some land grow up when starting a dairy. @When he tried to plow >it with a John Deere tractor and a light breaking plow, he had to first >cut down many10 foot tall Sunflowers with a light axe and got smaller >ones with an Eye hoe so the plow would track in dry Blackland Prairie. He >had a 30 HP tractor. Today they use 60 to 90 HP Tractors or larger and >shred all such trash growth int straw and then plow it under . > >Next time you go to a museum, ask to see an Eye Hoe. > >Take Care, Charles A. Wyly > >On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:17:06 -0500 skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> writes: >> Could you please explain to our friends to the N. what an eye hoe >> is. >> An eye hoe can cure a lot of problems. Smart mouth is one. >> >> wyly1@juno.com wrote: >> >> > hI, Someone got a date wrong. He served in the Civil War and >> washanged >> > Oct.11, 1878, so he was bornHe must have been born before 1850. . >> The >> > photo in this paper shows with a Black Beard (Narrow Goatee) and >> heavy >> > black moustashe. He was hanged for killing Wilson Anderson,one of >> his 32 >> > victims. My grandson is 19 and sported a beard and mustashe for a >> few >> > months, He is six feet and did weigh over 250 when he played >> football 5 >> > years ago. He is not fat, just big boned and muscled. >> > >> > Great Grandad Robert Augustine Wyly marched into the Battle of >> Shiloh as >> > a Drummer, age 13 and marched out as a soldier with a gun. He >> lived to be >> > 93 and died in Tulsa, 1937 of Typhoid, caught from a well. His >> brother >> > James Allen Wyly was in the same battle, His Uncle Capt. Ben F. >> Wyly , >> > lost an eye in the Battle of Knoxville and lived into his late >> 80's, >> > buried in Comanche County, Texas. Oliver Cromwell Wyly, their >> dad, sent >> > a letter to the Gov. of Georgia promising 3000 gallons of fine >> Whiskey >> > for the troops,( His brother and son Ran the Wyly Wholesale >> Grocery in >> > Atlanta. O.C.soon joined as a Captain and returned to Habersham >> County >> > where he piled a trunk full of Confederate money in his yard and >> burned >> > it. >> > >> > So far as age goes, my wife's grandfather was born abt 1850 in >> Ireland , >> > James Whitcomb O'Riley, stowed awayn on a ship and the Captain >> signed him >> > on as a Sheet Metal (Tinker) Aprentice in New York Harbor. He >> moved top >> > Cleburne, Texas and died in 1893, leaving 2 sets of Children. My >> wife was >> > born in Pettit, Texas in 1936 whgen her dad was about 50. >> > >> > Also, Ben F. Wyly's grandson drove 3000 head of sheep to San >> Angelo, >> > Texas, age 17 and deliverred them to former owners of >> Stephenville, Tx >> > Cage and Crow Bank- they swapped the sheep for Erath County >> property. He >> > had to stay up some nights with a rifle, age 17 to keep cattlemen >> from >> > riding in and shooting the sheep. That was 1887. >> > >> > My wife's dad had 4 years of Schoolhousing, but could add 2 >> columns of >> > Cotton weight or calf prices in his head faster than I could write >> them. >> > At age 12 or so he was buying cattle around Glen Rose and driving >> them >> > back across the Brazos to the Cleburne Slaughter House. >> > >> > Sometimes I do not think every child should be in a computerized >> > classroom to age 18 - He coulds be learning more in a Cooperative >> > Education Class or working. A man in Hill County said an Eye Hoe >> in a >> > Johnson Grass infested cotton patch would cure Juvenile >> Delinquency and >> > provide motivation to find a better life. >> > >> > Charles A. Wyly >> > >> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:27:27 -0600 Peter Selph/Kathy Duncan >> > <ppskdd2@airmail.net> writes: >> > > Charles: >> > > >> > > You are the person to ask about Wild Bill Longley. >> > > >> > > The Dallas Morning News article in today's paper >> > > says that Longley was hanged in 1878 at the age of >> > > 27 and that he was "one of the West's bloodiest >> > > pre-Civil War outlaws. I've never been very good >> > > at math, but just how bloody a career can someone >> > > manage before the age of 10?! And did he enlist >> > > near the beginning of The War or the end? Was he >> > > just a drummer boy? >> > > >> > > The Dallas Morning News also has a picture of full >> > > skeletal remains for Longley, exhumed in 1998--not >> > > just a tooth. In fact, they used his remains to disprove >> > > a one of Longley's wild stories that he had been >> > > shot in the mouth: "'That didn't happen because he's >> > > got beautiful teeth and didn't lose any of them,' >> > > Dr. Owsley said." >> > > >> > > They matched the DNA of the skeleton to the DNA of >> > > Helen Chapman, a great-grand daughter of Longley's sister. >> > > >> > > Still there are no details about Longley's prepubescent >> > > crime-spree and that seems like the most interesting >> > > part of the story!! :) >> > > >> > > In any event, it looks like Ted Wax is going to have to >> > > give up and do some real research on his Brown family!! >> > > Can't blame him for trying to turn his Brown's into >> > > Longleys--Brown has got to be the worst name on the planet >> > > to research. It's right up there with Smith. >> > > >> > > Kathy Duncan >> > > >> > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > never heard of him? His life was depicted in the 1950's TV >> movie >> > > or >> > > > programs called THE TEXAN. He was born WILLIAM PRESTON >> (WILD >> > > BILL) >> > > > LONGLEY and was a veteran of the Civil WarHe was hanged and >> > > buried in >> > > > Giddings, Texas in 1878The story persisted that the sheriff >> was >> > > bribed to >> > > > put some leather harness under his shirt and fake a hanging. >> TEXAS >> > > HAS >> > > > NEVER HAD PUBLIC HANGINGS, ACCORDING TO h. GRADY PERRY, State >> > > Rep. from >> > > > Erath County. The scaffold was prepared as crowds of families >> > > gatherred >> > > > to watch. Blinds were raised around the actual hanging site. >> The >> > > criminal >> > > > was marched in vew of the crowd, Blinds were raised for >> > > > privacy,thehanging took place, and the blinds or privacy >> shields >> > > were >> > > > dropped after he was pronounced dead for all to see as a crime >> > > prevention >> > > > and education method. >> > > > >> > > > Ted Wax of .Gonzales, la. claimed he was a grandson of CAPT. >> JOHN >> > > > CALHOUN BROWN, a prosperous planter of Bienville Parrish , >> La. >> > > This line >> > > > followed the idea that a box of Rocks were in Wild Bill's >> grave in >> > > Texas. >> > > > BROOKS ELWOOD, Chairman of Genealoogy Dept of Louisiana >> State >> > > > Universith started investigating and somehow got the >> Smithsonian >> > > > Institute interested. They used imaging equipment to find >> Bill's >> > > grave in >> > > > Giddings , as the family knew where it was- but his headstone >> had >> > > been >> > > > moved as some objected to be buried by a criminal. - moved >> twice, >> > > > according toplats and historians. The Grave was not moved. >> > > > >> > > > When LSU and the Smithsonian excavated the grave recently, >> they >> > > found >> > > > decayed clothing, boot heels (tops had rotted) and a tooth. >> Bones >> > > had >> > > > decayed too much to test(?)According to DNA testing on the >> tooth >> > > and >> > > > known descendants of Mr. Longley, they are 100% sure this was >> a >> > > Longley, >> > > > and 95.something% that it was Wild Bill, not a box of rocks >> for a >> > > fake >> > > > funeral. ( I know of one Texas Cemetery where Blacks and >> whites >> > > are >> > > > buried in same cemetery, but several graves of white Cattle >> > > Rustlers are >> > > > buried down the road to themselves. I do not know if they were >> > > hanged >> > > > legally or by Vigilantes during the days that the >> Reconstrution >> > > days >> > > > sheriff and deputies stayed close to the office unless in >> groups. >> > > > >> > > > Does anyone have a Geneaology chart which shows these >> percentages >> > > of >> > > > accuracy? According to this report, Jesse James DNA proof >> should >> > > be 95% >> > > > accurate, decreasing each generation. If it did not , all us >> > > Coffee or >> > > > Cleveland or Wyly or Sevier or Miller or Harris cousins or >> > > Copeland or >> > > > Carey or Hipp cousins. would have the same DNA. Any answers? >> > > > >> > > > Scientists and archeologists and Geneaologists worked on this >> > > grave and >> > > > family testing for 15 months before issueing their final >> report. >> > > > >> > > > The past is fun to read about and profit from their mistakes >> once >> > > we >> > > > recognize them, and also for hereditary disease predictions, >> but I >> > > just >> > > > wish we would SPEND AS MUCH TIME FINDING OUR SOLDIERS IN >> KOREA >> > > AND >> > > > vIETNAM, ALIVE OR DEAD. Ask most Jr. High and many High >> School >> > > kids when >> > > > and where was the Korean War and they will askif it was before >> or >> > > After >> > > > WW1? I taught 33 years and have been Substituting since 1989. >> > > Korea and >> > > > Vietnam had many lessons we could learn if we just quit >> ignoring >> > > its >> > > > lessons. We did not ride down and shoot Vets who went to >> Canada to >> > > avoid >> > > > the draft as some did on both sides , making their own law as >> they >> > > went >> > > > along. I did not agree with them but they have the same >> freedonm >> > > to their >> > > > ideas as I doo to mine, . >> > > > >> > > > SOURCE OF LONGLEY INFO; >> > > > >> > > > Waco Tribune- Herald, June 14, 2001, from Cox News Service, >> Stphen >> > > Krupin >> > > > , reporter. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Take care, >> > > > Charles A. 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An eye hoe is one with a heavier blade, heavier handle- long handle, and a tapered eye on the back of the hoe which keeps the handle tight in the hoe. it is much heavier than a regular Garden hoe and in an 8 or 10 hour day it will blister hands without gloves andmake for very sore muscles- the boys who hauled hay and did a cotton or corn crop with an eye hoe were in shape for Football season started, if they were still in school. One had a file handy to keep it razor sharp . We used them on large cockleburs or Cuckleburs and used to dig Johnson grass runners and cut sunflowers out of cotton and corn with them. My Uncle let some land grow up when starting a dairy. @When he tried to plow it with a John Deere tractor and a light breaking plow, he had to first cut down many10 foot tall Sunflowers with a light axe and got smaller ones with an Eye hoe so the plow would track in dry Blackland Prairie. He had a 30 HP tractor. Today they use 60 to 90 HP Tractors or larger and shred all such trash growth int straw and then plow it under . Next time you go to a museum, ask to see an Eye Hoe. Take Care, Charles A. Wyly On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:17:06 -0500 skm <flintlock@kcnet.com> writes: > Could you please explain to our friends to the N. what an eye hoe > is. > An eye hoe can cure a lot of problems. Smart mouth is one. > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > > hI, Someone got a date wrong. He served in the Civil War and > washanged > > Oct.11, 1878, so he was bornHe must have been born before 1850. . > The > > photo in this paper shows with a Black Beard (Narrow Goatee) and > heavy > > black moustashe. He was hanged for killing Wilson Anderson,one of > his 32 > > victims. My grandson is 19 and sported a beard and mustashe for a > few > > months, He is six feet and did weigh over 250 when he played > football 5 > > years ago. He is not fat, just big boned and muscled. > > > > Great Grandad Robert Augustine Wyly marched into the Battle of > Shiloh as > > a Drummer, age 13 and marched out as a soldier with a gun. He > lived to be > > 93 and died in Tulsa, 1937 of Typhoid, caught from a well. His > brother > > James Allen Wyly was in the same battle, His Uncle Capt. Ben F. > Wyly , > > lost an eye in the Battle of Knoxville and lived into his late > 80's, > > buried in Comanche County, Texas. Oliver Cromwell Wyly, their > dad, sent > > a letter to the Gov. of Georgia promising 3000 gallons of fine > Whiskey > > for the troops,( His brother and son Ran the Wyly Wholesale > Grocery in > > Atlanta. O.C.soon joined as a Captain and returned to Habersham > County > > where he piled a trunk full of Confederate money in his yard and > burned > > it. > > > > So far as age goes, my wife's grandfather was born abt 1850 in > Ireland , > > James Whitcomb O'Riley, stowed awayn on a ship and the Captain > signed him > > on as a Sheet Metal (Tinker) Aprentice in New York Harbor. He > moved top > > Cleburne, Texas and died in 1893, leaving 2 sets of Children. My > wife was > > born in Pettit, Texas in 1936 whgen her dad was about 50. > > > > Also, Ben F. Wyly's grandson drove 3000 head of sheep to San > Angelo, > > Texas, age 17 and deliverred them to former owners of > Stephenville, Tx > > Cage and Crow Bank- they swapped the sheep for Erath County > property. He > > had to stay up some nights with a rifle, age 17 to keep cattlemen > from > > riding in and shooting the sheep. That was 1887. > > > > My wife's dad had 4 years of Schoolhousing, but could add 2 > columns of > > Cotton weight or calf prices in his head faster than I could write > them. > > At age 12 or so he was buying cattle around Glen Rose and driving > them > > back across the Brazos to the Cleburne Slaughter House. > > > > Sometimes I do not think every child should be in a computerized > > classroom to age 18 - He coulds be learning more in a Cooperative > > Education Class or working. A man in Hill County said an Eye Hoe > in a > > Johnson Grass infested cotton patch would cure Juvenile > Delinquency and > > provide motivation to find a better life. > > > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:27:27 -0600 Peter Selph/Kathy Duncan > > <ppskdd2@airmail.net> writes: > > > Charles: > > > > > > You are the person to ask about Wild Bill Longley. > > > > > > The Dallas Morning News article in today's paper > > > says that Longley was hanged in 1878 at the age of > > > 27 and that he was "one of the West's bloodiest > > > pre-Civil War outlaws. I've never been very good > > > at math, but just how bloody a career can someone > > > manage before the age of 10?! And did he enlist > > > near the beginning of The War or the end? Was he > > > just a drummer boy? > > > > > > The Dallas Morning News also has a picture of full > > > skeletal remains for Longley, exhumed in 1998--not > > > just a tooth. In fact, they used his remains to disprove > > > a one of Longley's wild stories that he had been > > > shot in the mouth: "'That didn't happen because he's > > > got beautiful teeth and didn't lose any of them,' > > > Dr. Owsley said." > > > > > > They matched the DNA of the skeleton to the DNA of > > > Helen Chapman, a great-grand daughter of Longley's sister. > > > > > > Still there are no details about Longley's prepubescent > > > crime-spree and that seems like the most interesting > > > part of the story!! :) > > > > > > In any event, it looks like Ted Wax is going to have to > > > give up and do some real research on his Brown family!! > > > Can't blame him for trying to turn his Brown's into > > > Longleys--Brown has got to be the worst name on the planet > > > to research. It's right up there with Smith. > > > > > > Kathy Duncan > > > > > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > never heard of him? His life was depicted in the 1950's TV > movie > > > or > > > > programs called THE TEXAN. He was born WILLIAM PRESTON > (WILD > > > BILL) > > > > LONGLEY and was a veteran of the Civil WarHe was hanged and > > > buried in > > > > Giddings, Texas in 1878The story persisted that the sheriff > was > > > bribed to > > > > put some leather harness under his shirt and fake a hanging. > TEXAS > > > HAS > > > > NEVER HAD PUBLIC HANGINGS, ACCORDING TO h. GRADY PERRY, State > > > Rep. from > > > > Erath County. The scaffold was prepared as crowds of families > > > gatherred > > > > to watch. Blinds were raised around the actual hanging site. > The > > > criminal > > > > was marched in vew of the crowd, Blinds were raised for > > > > privacy,thehanging took place, and the blinds or privacy > shields > > > were > > > > dropped after he was pronounced dead for all to see as a crime > > > prevention > > > > and education method. > > > > > > > > Ted Wax of .Gonzales, la. claimed he was a grandson of CAPT. > JOHN > > > > CALHOUN BROWN, a prosperous planter of Bienville Parrish , > La. > > > This line > > > > followed the idea that a box of Rocks were in Wild Bill's > grave in > > > Texas. > > > > BROOKS ELWOOD, Chairman of Genealoogy Dept of Louisiana > State > > > > Universith started investigating and somehow got the > Smithsonian > > > > Institute interested. They used imaging equipment to find > Bill's > > > grave in > > > > Giddings , as the family knew where it was- but his headstone > had > > > been > > > > moved as some objected to be buried by a criminal. - moved > twice, > > > > according toplats and historians. The Grave was not moved. > > > > > > > > When LSU and the Smithsonian excavated the grave recently, > they > > > found > > > > decayed clothing, boot heels (tops had rotted) and a tooth. > Bones > > > had > > > > decayed too much to test(?)According to DNA testing on the > tooth > > > and > > > > known descendants of Mr. Longley, they are 100% sure this was > a > > > Longley, > > > > and 95.something% that it was Wild Bill, not a box of rocks > for a > > > fake > > > > funeral. ( I know of one Texas Cemetery where Blacks and > whites > > > are > > > > buried in same cemetery, but several graves of white Cattle > > > Rustlers are > > > > buried down the road to themselves. I do not know if they were > > > hanged > > > > legally or by Vigilantes during the days that the > Reconstrution > > > days > > > > sheriff and deputies stayed close to the office unless in > groups. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a Geneaology chart which shows these > percentages > > > of > > > > accuracy? According to this report, Jesse James DNA proof > should > > > be 95% > > > > accurate, decreasing each generation. If it did not , all us > > > Coffee or > > > > Cleveland or Wyly or Sevier or Miller or Harris cousins or > > > Copeland or > > > > Carey or Hipp cousins. would have the same DNA. Any answers? > > > > > > > > Scientists and archeologists and Geneaologists worked on this > > > grave and > > > > family testing for 15 months before issueing their final > report. > > > > > > > > The past is fun to read about and profit from their mistakes > once > > > we > > > > recognize them, and also for hereditary disease predictions, > but I > > > just > > > > wish we would SPEND AS MUCH TIME FINDING OUR SOLDIERS IN > KOREA > > > AND > > > > vIETNAM, ALIVE OR DEAD. Ask most Jr. High and many High > School > > > kids when > > > > and where was the Korean War and they will askif it was before > or > > > After > > > > WW1? I taught 33 years and have been Substituting since 1989. > > > Korea and > > > > Vietnam had many lessons we could learn if we just quit > ignoring > > > its > > > > lessons. We did not ride down and shoot Vets who went to > Canada to > > > avoid > > > > the draft as some did on both sides , making their own law as > they > > > went > > > > along. I did not agree with them but they have the same > freedonm > > > to their > > > > ideas as I doo to mine, . > > > > > > > > SOURCE OF LONGLEY INFO; > > > > > > > > Waco Tribune- Herald, June 14, 2001, from Cox News Service, > Stphen > > > Krupin > > > > , reporter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > > Celebrate > > > your heritage! > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > Source for Family History Online. 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I thought I'd share with the group some of the migration trail links I found today. Some have very good information and maps. Hope it's helpful! Linda in Texas PS And thank you Melissa for letting the list continue on the subject of the Civil War, it's causes and outcomes ... it is an important part of everybody's history! http://www.migrations.org/ http://www.germanmigration.com/default.asp http://www.rootsweb.com/~armissi2/routes.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/links/migrationtrails.html http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~south1/trails-roads1.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~south1/trails-maps1.htm http://www.carolinacuzins.org/migrations.html

Mr. Weaver, we are adults but a Thank You goes to your amen corner and kudos, also one atta-boy. George Weaver wrote: > Thanks, > Please keep everyone on subject rather than filling up the mail with opinions. > > from George L. Weaver > gweaver@cgemc.com > > >>> LadyEbonSwan@aol.com 06/14/01 03:58PM >>> > The recent discussions on the Civil War (fill in your favorite subsitute > here) and its causes, events, aftermath and fallout are most definitely > germane to this list. So is discussion about the various and sundry flags > flown at the time, and their context in modern society. I will remind the > list of a few things, however. > We are all adults here. These subjects cause ill feelings between > people, as it ever shall. This is hardly new; hang out in Ireland for a > while, and you get the same situation, different subject. Call somebody a > Sassenach in Scotland and be prepared to head for the hills. I am more than > confident that we can keep our collective cool about this. Opinions will > vary. Debate and discussion are welcome. You will keep it civil. You will > refrain from personal attacks and slander. There will be *no* Yank-baiting, > nor shall there be Southern-baiting. Any parties found doing any of these > will be given *one* warning shot, in a private email. Should the activity > continue, they will be removed from the list with no further explanation nor > apologies given. In 72 hours you may re-subscribe, assuming tempers have > cooled off. > Thus far this list has been unbelievably restrained given the topics. > I'm proud of you; many other lists by this point would've descended into > knock-down, drag-out brawls. Please keep it this way...set a precedent for > everyone else! > > Thankin' you.... > > Melissa Strobel > list-admin > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Could you please explain to our friends to the N. what an eye hoe is. An eye hoe can cure a lot of problems. Smart mouth is one. wyly1@juno.com wrote: > hI, Someone got a date wrong. He served in the Civil War and washanged > Oct.11, 1878, so he was bornHe must have been born before 1850. . The > photo in this paper shows with a Black Beard (Narrow Goatee) and heavy > black moustashe. He was hanged for killing Wilson Anderson,one of his 32 > victims. My grandson is 19 and sported a beard and mustashe for a few > months, He is six feet and did weigh over 250 when he played football 5 > years ago. He is not fat, just big boned and muscled. > > Great Grandad Robert Augustine Wyly marched into the Battle of Shiloh as > a Drummer, age 13 and marched out as a soldier with a gun. He lived to be > 93 and died in Tulsa, 1937 of Typhoid, caught from a well. His brother > James Allen Wyly was in the same battle, His Uncle Capt. Ben F. Wyly , > lost an eye in the Battle of Knoxville and lived into his late 80's, > buried in Comanche County, Texas. Oliver Cromwell Wyly, their dad, sent > a letter to the Gov. of Georgia promising 3000 gallons of fine Whiskey > for the troops,( His brother and son Ran the Wyly Wholesale Grocery in > Atlanta. O.C.soon joined as a Captain and returned to Habersham County > where he piled a trunk full of Confederate money in his yard and burned > it. > > So far as age goes, my wife's grandfather was born abt 1850 in Ireland , > James Whitcomb O'Riley, stowed awayn on a ship and the Captain signed him > on as a Sheet Metal (Tinker) Aprentice in New York Harbor. He moved top > Cleburne, Texas and died in 1893, leaving 2 sets of Children. My wife was > born in Pettit, Texas in 1936 whgen her dad was about 50. > > Also, Ben F. Wyly's grandson drove 3000 head of sheep to San Angelo, > Texas, age 17 and deliverred them to former owners of Stephenville, Tx > Cage and Crow Bank- they swapped the sheep for Erath County property. He > had to stay up some nights with a rifle, age 17 to keep cattlemen from > riding in and shooting the sheep. That was 1887. > > My wife's dad had 4 years of Schoolhousing, but could add 2 columns of > Cotton weight or calf prices in his head faster than I could write them. > At age 12 or so he was buying cattle around Glen Rose and driving them > back across the Brazos to the Cleburne Slaughter House. > > Sometimes I do not think every child should be in a computerized > classroom to age 18 - He coulds be learning more in a Cooperative > Education Class or working. A man in Hill County said an Eye Hoe in a > Johnson Grass infested cotton patch would cure Juvenile Delinquency and > provide motivation to find a better life. > > Charles A. Wyly > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:27:27 -0600 Peter Selph/Kathy Duncan > <ppskdd2@airmail.net> writes: > > Charles: > > > > You are the person to ask about Wild Bill Longley. > > > > The Dallas Morning News article in today's paper > > says that Longley was hanged in 1878 at the age of > > 27 and that he was "one of the West's bloodiest > > pre-Civil War outlaws. I've never been very good > > at math, but just how bloody a career can someone > > manage before the age of 10?! And did he enlist > > near the beginning of The War or the end? Was he > > just a drummer boy? > > > > The Dallas Morning News also has a picture of full > > skeletal remains for Longley, exhumed in 1998--not > > just a tooth. In fact, they used his remains to disprove > > a one of Longley's wild stories that he had been > > shot in the mouth: "'That didn't happen because he's > > got beautiful teeth and didn't lose any of them,' > > Dr. Owsley said." > > > > They matched the DNA of the skeleton to the DNA of > > Helen Chapman, a great-grand daughter of Longley's sister. > > > > Still there are no details about Longley's prepubescent > > crime-spree and that seems like the most interesting > > part of the story!! :) > > > > In any event, it looks like Ted Wax is going to have to > > give up and do some real research on his Brown family!! > > Can't blame him for trying to turn his Brown's into > > Longleys--Brown has got to be the worst name on the planet > > to research. It's right up there with Smith. > > > > Kathy Duncan > > > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > never heard of him? His life was depicted in the 1950's TV movie > > or > > > programs called THE TEXAN. He was born WILLIAM PRESTON (WILD > > BILL) > > > LONGLEY and was a veteran of the Civil WarHe was hanged and > > buried in > > > Giddings, Texas in 1878The story persisted that the sheriff was > > bribed to > > > put some leather harness under his shirt and fake a hanging. TEXAS > > HAS > > > NEVER HAD PUBLIC HANGINGS, ACCORDING TO h. GRADY PERRY, State > > Rep. from > > > Erath County. The scaffold was prepared as crowds of families > > gatherred > > > to watch. Blinds were raised around the actual hanging site. The > > criminal > > > was marched in vew of the crowd, Blinds were raised for > > > privacy,thehanging took place, and the blinds or privacy shields > > were > > > dropped after he was pronounced dead for all to see as a crime > > prevention > > > and education method. > > > > > > Ted Wax of .Gonzales, la. claimed he was a grandson of CAPT. JOHN > > > CALHOUN BROWN, a prosperous planter of Bienville Parrish , La. > > This line > > > followed the idea that a box of Rocks were in Wild Bill's grave in > > Texas. > > > BROOKS ELWOOD, Chairman of Genealoogy Dept of Louisiana State > > > Universith started investigating and somehow got the Smithsonian > > > Institute interested. They used imaging equipment to find Bill's > > grave in > > > Giddings , as the family knew where it was- but his headstone had > > been > > > moved as some objected to be buried by a criminal. - moved twice, > > > according toplats and historians. The Grave was not moved. > > > > > > When LSU and the Smithsonian excavated the grave recently, they > > found > > > decayed clothing, boot heels (tops had rotted) and a tooth. Bones > > had > > > decayed too much to test(?)According to DNA testing on the tooth > > and > > > known descendants of Mr. Longley, they are 100% sure this was a > > Longley, > > > and 95.something% that it was Wild Bill, not a box of rocks for a > > fake > > > funeral. ( I know of one Texas Cemetery where Blacks and whites > > are > > > buried in same cemetery, but several graves of white Cattle > > Rustlers are > > > buried down the road to themselves. I do not know if they were > > hanged > > > legally or by Vigilantes during the days that the Reconstrution > > days > > > sheriff and deputies stayed close to the office unless in groups. > > > > > > Does anyone have a Geneaology chart which shows these percentages > > of > > > accuracy? According to this report, Jesse James DNA proof should > > be 95% > > > accurate, decreasing each generation. If it did not , all us > > Coffee or > > > Cleveland or Wyly or Sevier or Miller or Harris cousins or > > Copeland or > > > Carey or Hipp cousins. would have the same DNA. Any answers? > > > > > > Scientists and archeologists and Geneaologists worked on this > > grave and > > > family testing for 15 months before issueing their final report. > > > > > > The past is fun to read about and profit from their mistakes once > > we > > > recognize them, and also for hereditary disease predictions, but I > > just > > > wish we would SPEND AS MUCH TIME FINDING OUR SOLDIERS IN KOREA > > AND > > > vIETNAM, ALIVE OR DEAD. Ask most Jr. High and many High School > > kids when > > > and where was the Korean War and they will askif it was before or > > After > > > WW1? I taught 33 years and have been Substituting since 1989. > > Korea and > > > Vietnam had many lessons we could learn if we just quit ignoring > > its > > > lessons. We did not ride down and shoot Vets who went to Canada to > > avoid > > > the draft as some did on both sides , making their own law as they > > went > > > along. I did not agree with them but they have the same freedonm > > to their > > > ideas as I doo to mine, . > > > > > > SOURCE OF LONGLEY INFO; > > > > > > Waco Tribune- Herald, June 14, 2001, from Cox News Service, Stphen > > Krupin > > > , reporter. > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > > > ============================== > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. 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Thanks, Please keep everyone on subject rather than filling up the mail with opinions. from George L. Weaver gweaver@cgemc.com >>> LadyEbonSwan@aol.com 06/14/01 03:58PM >>> The recent discussions on the Civil War (fill in your favorite subsitute here) and its causes, events, aftermath and fallout are most definitely germane to this list. So is discussion about the various and sundry flags flown at the time, and their context in modern society. I will remind the list of a few things, however. We are all adults here. These subjects cause ill feelings between people, as it ever shall. This is hardly new; hang out in Ireland for a while, and you get the same situation, different subject. Call somebody a Sassenach in Scotland and be prepared to head for the hills. I am more than confident that we can keep our collective cool about this. Opinions will vary. Debate and discussion are welcome. You will keep it civil. You will refrain from personal attacks and slander. There will be *no* Yank-baiting, nor shall there be Southern-baiting. Any parties found doing any of these will be given *one* warning shot, in a private email. Should the activity continue, they will be removed from the list with no further explanation nor apologies given. In 72 hours you may re-subscribe, assuming tempers have cooled off. Thus far this list has been unbelievably restrained given the topics. I'm proud of you; many other lists by this point would've descended into knock-down, drag-out brawls. Please keep it this way...set a precedent for everyone else! Thankin' you.... Melissa Strobel list-admin ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

The recent discussions on the Civil War (fill in your favorite subsitute here) and its causes, events, aftermath and fallout are most definitely germane to this list. So is discussion about the various and sundry flags flown at the time, and their context in modern society. I will remind the list of a few things, however. We are all adults here. These subjects cause ill feelings between people, as it ever shall. This is hardly new; hang out in Ireland for a while, and you get the same situation, different subject. Call somebody a Sassenach in Scotland and be prepared to head for the hills. I am more than confident that we can keep our collective cool about this. Opinions will vary. Debate and discussion are welcome. You will keep it civil. You will refrain from personal attacks and slander. There will be *no* Yank-baiting, nor shall there be Southern-baiting. Any parties found doing any of these will be given *one* warning shot, in a private email. Should the activity continue, they will be removed from the list with no further explanation nor apologies given. In 72 hours you may re-subscribe, assuming tempers have cooled off. Thus far this list has been unbelievably restrained given the topics. I'm proud of you; many other lists by this point would've descended into knock-down, drag-out brawls. Please keep it this way...set a precedent for everyone else! Thankin' you.... Melissa Strobel list-admin

Well said, Mary! It is the fringe groups who dishonor that proud flag. Our ancestors, North and South, acted as they felt best. These brave men deserve to be honored, to have their stories told and on each Memorial Day, remembered. Hooray for the Bonnie Blue Flag. Hooray for the Stars and Stripes. Long may she wave over free men and women. Faye

Carolyn,where do your Hendrix roots stem from.I do not have very much info on my Hendrix or Hendryx,I have seen it both ways. Jannette

hI, Someone got a date wrong. He served in the Civil War and washanged Oct.11, 1878, so he was bornHe must have been born before 1850. . The photo in this paper shows with a Black Beard (Narrow Goatee) and heavy black moustashe. He was hanged for killing Wilson Anderson,one of his 32 victims. My grandson is 19 and sported a beard and mustashe for a few months, He is six feet and did weigh over 250 when he played football 5 years ago. He is not fat, just big boned and muscled. Great Grandad Robert Augustine Wyly marched into the Battle of Shiloh as a Drummer, age 13 and marched out as a soldier with a gun. He lived to be 93 and died in Tulsa, 1937 of Typhoid, caught from a well. His brother James Allen Wyly was in the same battle, His Uncle Capt. Ben F. Wyly , lost an eye in the Battle of Knoxville and lived into his late 80's, buried in Comanche County, Texas. Oliver Cromwell Wyly, their dad, sent a letter to the Gov. of Georgia promising 3000 gallons of fine Whiskey for the troops,( His brother and son Ran the Wyly Wholesale Grocery in Atlanta. O.C.soon joined as a Captain and returned to Habersham County where he piled a trunk full of Confederate money in his yard and burned it. So far as age goes, my wife's grandfather was born abt 1850 in Ireland , James Whitcomb O'Riley, stowed awayn on a ship and the Captain signed him on as a Sheet Metal (Tinker) Aprentice in New York Harbor. He moved top Cleburne, Texas and died in 1893, leaving 2 sets of Children. My wife was born in Pettit, Texas in 1936 whgen her dad was about 50. Also, Ben F. Wyly's grandson drove 3000 head of sheep to San Angelo, Texas, age 17 and deliverred them to former owners of Stephenville, Tx Cage and Crow Bank- they swapped the sheep for Erath County property. He had to stay up some nights with a rifle, age 17 to keep cattlemen from riding in and shooting the sheep. That was 1887. My wife's dad had 4 years of Schoolhousing, but could add 2 columns of Cotton weight or calf prices in his head faster than I could write them. At age 12 or so he was buying cattle around Glen Rose and driving them back across the Brazos to the Cleburne Slaughter House. Sometimes I do not think every child should be in a computerized classroom to age 18 - He coulds be learning more in a Cooperative Education Class or working. A man in Hill County said an Eye Hoe in a Johnson Grass infested cotton patch would cure Juvenile Delinquency and provide motivation to find a better life. Charles A. Wyly On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:27:27 -0600 Peter Selph/Kathy Duncan <ppskdd2@airmail.net> writes: > Charles: > > You are the person to ask about Wild Bill Longley. > > The Dallas Morning News article in today's paper > says that Longley was hanged in 1878 at the age of > 27 and that he was "one of the West's bloodiest > pre-Civil War outlaws. I've never been very good > at math, but just how bloody a career can someone > manage before the age of 10?! And did he enlist > near the beginning of The War or the end? Was he > just a drummer boy? > > The Dallas Morning News also has a picture of full > skeletal remains for Longley, exhumed in 1998--not > just a tooth. In fact, they used his remains to disprove > a one of Longley's wild stories that he had been > shot in the mouth: "'That didn't happen because he's > got beautiful teeth and didn't lose any of them,' > Dr. Owsley said." > > They matched the DNA of the skeleton to the DNA of > Helen Chapman, a great-grand daughter of Longley's sister. > > Still there are no details about Longley's prepubescent > crime-spree and that seems like the most interesting > part of the story!! :) > > In any event, it looks like Ted Wax is going to have to > give up and do some real research on his Brown family!! > Can't blame him for trying to turn his Brown's into > Longleys--Brown has got to be the worst name on the planet > to research. It's right up there with Smith. > > Kathy Duncan > > wyly1@juno.com wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > never heard of him? His life was depicted in the 1950's TV movie > or > > programs called THE TEXAN. He was born WILLIAM PRESTON (WILD > BILL) > > LONGLEY and was a veteran of the Civil WarHe was hanged and > buried in > > Giddings, Texas in 1878The story persisted that the sheriff was > bribed to > > put some leather harness under his shirt and fake a hanging. TEXAS > HAS > > NEVER HAD PUBLIC HANGINGS, ACCORDING TO h. GRADY PERRY, State > Rep. from > > Erath County. The scaffold was prepared as crowds of families > gatherred > > to watch. Blinds were raised around the actual hanging site. The > criminal > > was marched in vew of the crowd, Blinds were raised for > > privacy,thehanging took place, and the blinds or privacy shields > were > > dropped after he was pronounced dead for all to see as a crime > prevention > > and education method. > > > > Ted Wax of .Gonzales, la. claimed he was a grandson of CAPT. JOHN > > CALHOUN BROWN, a prosperous planter of Bienville Parrish , La. > This line > > followed the idea that a box of Rocks were in Wild Bill's grave in > Texas. > > BROOKS ELWOOD, Chairman of Genealoogy Dept of Louisiana State > > Universith started investigating and somehow got the Smithsonian > > Institute interested. They used imaging equipment to find Bill's > grave in > > Giddings , as the family knew where it was- but his headstone had > been > > moved as some objected to be buried by a criminal. - moved twice, > > according toplats and historians. The Grave was not moved. > > > > When LSU and the Smithsonian excavated the grave recently, they > found > > decayed clothing, boot heels (tops had rotted) and a tooth. Bones > had > > decayed too much to test(?)According to DNA testing on the tooth > and > > known descendants of Mr. Longley, they are 100% sure this was a > Longley, > > and 95.something% that it was Wild Bill, not a box of rocks for a > fake > > funeral. ( I know of one Texas Cemetery where Blacks and whites > are > > buried in same cemetery, but several graves of white Cattle > Rustlers are > > buried down the road to themselves. I do not know if they were > hanged > > legally or by Vigilantes during the days that the Reconstrution > days > > sheriff and deputies stayed close to the office unless in groups. > > > > Does anyone have a Geneaology chart which shows these percentages > of > > accuracy? According to this report, Jesse James DNA proof should > be 95% > > accurate, decreasing each generation. If it did not , all us > Coffee or > > Cleveland or Wyly or Sevier or Miller or Harris cousins or > Copeland or > > Carey or Hipp cousins. would have the same DNA. Any answers? > > > > Scientists and archeologists and Geneaologists worked on this > grave and > > family testing for 15 months before issueing their final report. > > > > The past is fun to read about and profit from their mistakes once > we > > recognize them, and also for hereditary disease predictions, but I > just > > wish we would SPEND AS MUCH TIME FINDING OUR SOLDIERS IN KOREA > AND > > vIETNAM, ALIVE OR DEAD. Ask most Jr. High and many High School > kids when > > and where was the Korean War and they will askif it was before or > After > > WW1? I taught 33 years and have been Substituting since 1989. > Korea and > > Vietnam had many lessons we could learn if we just quit ignoring > its > > lessons. We did not ride down and shoot Vets who went to Canada to > avoid > > the draft as some did on both sides , making their own law as they > went > > along. I did not agree with them but they have the same freedonm > to their > > ideas as I doo to mine, . > > > > SOURCE OF LONGLEY INFO; > > > > Waco Tribune- Herald, June 14, 2001, from Cox News Service, Stphen > Krupin > > , reporter. > > > > > > Take care, > > Charles A. Wyly > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Old hatreds run deep. Especially from a conflict so bloody as the Civil War. For example, there were more Americans killed at the single Battle of Gettysburg than in the 10 years of the Vietnam conflict. My great grandfather was in a unit of the Texas Home Guard during the Civil war. They were considered guerillas by the Federal authorities. According to my father, my great grandfather Doss Coffee never took the oath of allegiance to the USA after the war. My great grandfather on my mother's side was a lieutenant in Cavalry of the Union Army and fought at the Battle of Chickamauga. He got his horse shot out from under him. He said that Chickamauga Creek ran red with blood. He survived the war and died with a long white beard. The Union lost that battle thanks to General Longstreet's cavalry charge. Jerry Coffee -----Original Message----- From: Harold Miller <hlm@qtm.net> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:13 AM Subject: [SouthernTrails] Flags as symbols >Ah, when the Confederate flag is mentioned - everyones blood pressure goes >up. Let me say - I do not want to hear from any Clan member which happened >the last time I expressed my thoughts on all of this. At that time I >mentioned I had half of my family CSA from Arkansas, and half as Union from >TN (originally from NC). I lost one of the Union ancestors, he is buried in >Mobile where he died on the march to Andersonville prison. My Arkansas CSA >men spent some unpleasant time at Point Lookout Maryland prison.....so....I >figure I am a pure American. (Not a half breed or something as the clan >member told me since I had "Yankee" blood). > >I have always respected the Confederate flag, and honored my ancestors >regardless which side they fought on. I figure they were all doing what >they thought was right - and none of them were slave owners. They just got >sucked in to a horrible war - because people were unable to sit down and >talk. People were unable to put aside their pocket books and talk about >what was right - the end of slavery. It was not the only reason for the >war, but a very big part of it. The agression between Northern New England >(who got rich transporting slaves to America and then saw the light), and >southern slave owners began when they all set down to write the Constitution >- the war 1860-1865 was just a final end to the debate.... How so many non >slave owners in the south got sucked in is a complicated story. > >But about the flag - I always felt it should be shown honor for the men who >died for it....they were only doing what their ancestors had done during the >Rev. War and War of 1812 - fighting for their freedom. But....I finally >realized somethng. Think about how a Jew feels seeing Hitler's flag - which >was originally a Christian symbol. Or a Chinese or Phillipino seeing the >rising sun >flag. I don't think the Confederate flag began as a symbol of slavery, but >while I still honor it....I do not honor how it has been used in the recent >history of our country - as a symbol of a group of people called the KKK who >wave it around and shout about the rights of the white race over others. I >feel they are the ones who have dishonored the flag. > >Well, now I will get the hate mail but good gosh folks.....don't we all live >in the same country and share a past? How long does it take? Someone >mentioned southerners not trusting Yankees....or Yankees making fun of >southerners. I am just so happy my ancestors were able to put their guns >away after the war, and allow their children freedom to have whoever they >wanted as friends, and marry where their hearts took them - even if the >in-laws had fought on a different side. I am so proud to have a southern >heritage - beginning on the east coast and going througout the south. I >think it is much more fun working on southern genealogy than northern - only >because it is about MY people. > >Just had to throw in my two cents..... > >Mary > > > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Hi, My daughter just sent this. Look out the front window and see if you are flying the Stars and Stripes TODAY-FLAG DAY that has seen us through the Spanish- American War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, then dismal results in Somalia and Checkmate in Bosnia and Saudi Arabia.. My flag is on a 1 inch plastic pipe which slips over a steel rod through our mail box rack across 2 posts. GOD BLESS AMERICA CHARLES AUGUSTINE . WYLY --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Sandra Kinard" <SKINARD@SWMAIL.SW.ORG> The Fourth of July was traditionally celebrated as America's birthday, but the idea of an annual day specifically celebrating the Flag is believed to have first originated in 1885. BJ Cigrand, a schoolteacher, arranged for the pupils in the Fredonia, Wisconsin Public School, District 6, to observe June 14 (the 108th anniversary of the official adoption of The Stars and Stripes) as 'Flag Birthday'. In numerous magazines and newspaper articles and public addresses over the following years, Cigrand continued to enthusiastically advocate the observance of June 14 as 'Flag Birthday', or 'Flag Day'. On June 14, 1889, George Balch, a kindergarten teacher in New York City, planned appropriate ceremonies for the children of his school, and his idea of observing Flag Day was later adopted by the State Board of Education of New York. On June 14, 1891, the Betsy Ross House in Philadelphia held a Flag Day celebration, and on June 14 of the following year, the New York Society of the Sons of the Revolution, celebrated Flag Day. Following the suggestion of Colonel J Granville Leach (at the time historian of the Pennsylvania Society of the Sons of the Revolution), the Pennsylvania Society of Colonial Dames of America on April 25, 1893 adopted a resolution requesting the mayor of Philadelphia and all others in authority and all private citizens to display the Flag on June 14th. Leach went on to recommend that thereafter the day be known as 'Flag Day', and on that day, school children be assembled for appropriate exercises, with each child being given a small Flag. Two weeks later on May 8th, the Board of Managers of the Pennsylvania Society of Sons of the Revolution unanimously endorsed the action of the Pennsylvania Society of Colonial Dames. As a result of the resolution, Dr. Edward Brooks, then Superintendent of Public Schools of Philadelphia, directed that Flag Day exercises be held on June 14, 1893 in Independence Square. School children were assembled, each carrying a small Flag, and patriotic songs were sung and addresses delivered In 1894, the governor of New York directed that on June 14 the Flag be displayed on all public buildings. With BJ Cigrand and Leroy Van Horn as the moving spirits, the Illinois organization, known as the American Flag Day Association, was organized for the purpose of promoting the holding of Flag Day exercises. On June 14th, 1894, under the auspices of this association, the first general public school children's celebration of Flag Day in Chicago was held in Douglas, Garfield, Humboldt, Lincoln, and Washington Parks, with more than 300,000 children participating. Adults, too, participated in patriotic programs. Franklin K. Lane, Secretary if the Interior, delivered a 1914 Flag Day address in which he repeated words he said the flag had spoken to him that morning: "I am what you make me; nothing more. I swing before your eyes as a bright gleam of color, a symbol of yourself." Inspired by these three decades of state and local celebrations, Flag Day - the anniversary of the Flag Resolution of 1777 - was officially established by the Proclamation of President Woodrow Wilson on May 30th, 1916. While Flag Day was celebrated in various communities for years after Wilson's proclamation, it was not until August 3rd, 1949, that President Truman signed an Act of Congress designating June 14th of each year as National Flag Day.

These are my major lines and they mostly came in prior to the Revolution, then spread South/Southeast. I humbly lay claim to Revolutionary Soldiers, including men who fought with Francis Marion, as well as warriors on both sides of the CW. I honor and revere them all, loving the history of my country and proud to know that my ancestors stood for their beliefs, win or lose, throughout that history. At some point, they merged into our family in Florida. BTW, with 60,000 acres burned in Lafayette County by the Mallory Swamp fire, God has blessed mightily. We lost no homes and no lives, no serious injuries!! God bless, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <Southern-Trails-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <Southern-Trails-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: Southern-Trails-D Digest V01 #90

Hi Judy - long time since I have talked to you. Are you talking about the man killed out in his field, since there were only women around they pulled his body over to the fence and buried him there. An old story my Grannie told me. and by the way, I have always heard them called Bushwackers....I read that at the beginning of the War the Union pulled all their troops out of the west, and opened up the prisons. So along with deserters from both sides, Arkansas and MO were hit by the released convicts. My ancestor was home with her 3 children when a small group came by (they usually traveled in groups of 3-5 men), and stole the milk cow. (milk was about all she had to feed her young children). What else they did was never discussed except in wispers, Women did not talk about that kind of thing. Anyway, her husband was wounded and she went and somehow brought him home. This was towards the end of the war....once he was better, according to family lore, he hid out in a cave on his property. He came out sometimes at night to try to plow - with no mule - and raise some food for his family, but could not let anyone know he was home. Some would call him a coward, I figure he went off to fight for his family, he came home to protect his family. His brothers and nephews were all CSA, but his Searcy Co AR cousins many were Union and about three of them were killed. Now about the Adams name - and they were in Searcy Co AR ca 1830s on. They connect to the Turney family and were from the Cannon/Smith Co TN area..... I find a group coming out of Surry Co NC/Patrick Co Virginia ca 1809 to Smith County/Cannon Co Tennessee.....Adams, Overall, Keaton, Fuson and a Turney. This Adams family I think connects to King family. I also find Adam family in early Hawkins Co TN - say 1790. I wonder if they are the same family or different? I am looking for an Adams family in either Hawkins Co Tn on Clinch River area around 1785-1805, or an Adams near Liberty in Smith Co TN 1800-1812. It is a female born an Adams I am looking for, so a bit difficult trying to find her family. She married around 1811 or 1812 and could only have been maybe 13 at the time.....from there on I have her. Mary