Hi, Do you have the Selden, Erath County Picketts? Also, I goofed this morning. I said that Blackie Martin and Carl Turnbow were kin, There was also a Mont Thomas. They were all Erath County law officers and cattle Traders. Mr. Thomas ran it when I was in High School and my Stone cousins used to skip school and buy a calf to resell or take home to a nurse cow, sometimes with 2 to 4 calves on each cow. Pretty good part time job which taught responsibility. I am not sure which two of the 3 above were kin- all 3 may have been. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:08:20 EDT Jantonka@cs.com writes: > I have Adams-Hunter-Hendryx-Pickett and many others in my tree anyone > who > would like to talk about this please let me know.Thank you for your > time. > > Jannette > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Texas, under the Treaty of 1845 between two Soverign Nations, enterred the Union with the right to divide into 5 States and/or seceed and did before enterring the Confederacy as a Nation becoming a Southern State. Technically , some action was needed to readmit The Republic of Texas to the Union, but tht action and vote is all but lost except to Therotical Historians I had for College teachers. Take Care, Charles A. Wyly On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:25:26 EDT BMoss69893@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 6/14/01 5:42:01 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > Westsnwest@aol.com > writes: > > << Would we be a stronger, > freer society today if we had accepted the idea that a state had > the right > to > secede? >> > > We would probably be a whole lot better off if that Dutch trader > hadn't > landed in Jamestown in 1619. Betty. > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Hi, and according researchbeing done by Double First Cousin for her PhD in Florida, some of these" Seminole" Indians were from a tribe near the Great Lakes near the Algoniquins , whose men were tricked to go with White slave traders, then chained outside their villages and carried to the Caribean Islands to replace Africans dying of Malaria and swamp fevers.My cousin said she had interviewed several in Florida who have a verbal family legend of being made Slaves near the Great Lakes- in the NORTH , the Caribean trips, and the escape to Florida. As fast as they could escape on anything that would float, they drifted into Florida and were accepted by the Seminoles. They were not happy with American Whites, north or South. Great Great Great Grandad James Rutherford Wyly of Ga. Militia was second in command of the Militia of 700 Anglos and 400 Cherokees who sacked and Burned Talahasse, 1812. The Cherokees were bering robbed and raided by some Seminoles who were drawing British Bounties on Cherokee scalps. Sequpya, a criple Seminole, lived with the Cherokees and developed their Written Alphabet, which is still taught in - or was 10 years ago, in Cherokee, N.C. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:15:15 -0400 <breckenridge@alltel.net> writes: > Frank, I've recently learned that my area of Florida was involved in > its' > own civil war. There were many Unionist or anti-secessionists in > Florida > and they refused to take and bear arms against their USA. There were > several > bands of guerrillas operating all through Florida during the War. > In Lafayette County, we've often heard we were settled by deserters > and > outlaws. I've always accepted the grain of truth in this, as have > most > others in the area. Well, they weren't all traitors or deserters. > My > 2ndgtgrandfather Morgan, David Pierpont, was the son of a Soldier of > the > Revolution, Richard MORGAN, and he chose to honor his father's > sacrifices. > His wife, Frances WATSON, was a descendant of Thomas and Nelson > GIBSON, who > both fought with Francis Marion's guerrillas. His fifteen-year-old > son, > Richard Thomas(my gtgrandpa), and his baby brother, Elijah C., both > took up > arms for the CSA. David P. fought with a band of guerrillas, > White's Band, > until they were incorporated into the US Army at Cedar Key, Fl., in > the > Spring of 1864. To the USA, these men were honorable heroes, to the > CSA, > they were traitors and deserters. Grandpa Dave died in October of > 1864, and > is buried at Cedar Key. > I am blest with several Revolutionary Soldiers in my lineage, and > many > Confederates, as well as, I now know, many Yanks. I honor all of > them and > am horrified at some of the tribulations they endured. Nothing was > easy for > any of them. It is wonderful to have some places we can go and share > all > these wonderful histories, biographies, travels, etc., and know that > others > understand our love of our country, but also of our heritage. It > infuriates > me that some people expect us to apologize or re-write our Southern > Heritage, yet refuse to acknowledge the horrors of the > Reconstruction, which > drove Uncle Elijah C., and many others, Westward. I always enjoy > learning > new insights into the past and my history, and pray that the day > will not > come when we are forced to accept propaganda, as the Germans and > Russians > once were. > God bless, Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frank Fuller <frank_fuller@sunshine.net> > To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:19 PM > Subject: [SouthernTrails] The South > > > > Some thoughts on the Lost Cause: During the Civil War John Mosby > was knon > > as the Grey Ghost. He was the guerilla calvary leader that raided > Union > > forces and supply trains.He captured a Union General and even > hanged > > prisoners. He had a long life dieing in 1916.In 1872 he became a > scalawag > > which landed appointments in the foreign servive. Mosby had firm > ideas . > He > > said we fought for slavery.He made no bones about it . There are > two > bookx > > that really portray the the south during Reconstruction .First > is David > > Blight, ".Race and Reunion, The CivilWar in American Memory", and > "White > > Terror, The Ku Klux KLan Conspiracy and Southern Reconstruction" > by Allen > > Trelease. > > Trelease is professor at the Un. of North Carolina,His work is the > first > > full scale scholary study of the Ku Klux Klan and of its role > in the > wave > > of white terrorism that swept the south after the Civil War. > Blight is > > also from the Un of North Carolina, Tony Horowitz says this the > best > book > > ever written on the memory of Americans greatest conflict. > > I am 84 years anf family reach back into the Civil Wsr and > Reconstruction- > > in fact to the American Revolution. My paternal Grandfather was > Confederacy > > Army veteran and all my maternal grand relatives came to Texas in > the > late > > 1920s . I have read "Southwest Historical Journal" for many years > to > keep > > wih southern history. Frank . > > > > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

In a message dated 6/14/01 1:45:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, hlm@qtm.net writes: << He came out sometimes at night to try to plow - with no mule - and raise some food for his family, but could not let anyone know he was home. >> Have heard tales of the wife pulling the plow when there was no mule. My family was lucky. the fram that was bought in early 1800s remained in the family until it was sold in 1976 - thereabouts. I have several pieces of furniture that came from the old farm. Told I was lucky as most had to sell their furniture to pay taxes on the property. Betty.

Hi, Col. Ben Cleveland and Gen. Joseph Martin married Graves sisters, Mary (My ancestor) and Susannah- ancestor of some Wylys- they were descended from both sisters , of Thomas Graves lineage. I fit Mary's line. Take Care, Charles A. Wyly On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:14:27 EDT BMoss69893@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 6/14/01 12:59:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > flintlock@kcnet.com > writes: > > << -Graves- >> > > Could this be a descendant of Capt. Thomas Graves who came to > Jamestown in > 1608? If so there are at least 2 of us who also descend from him and > maybe > even more. Betty. > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Hi, Betty, I am not sure , but the E mail is on the hard drive of the Comp[uter which crashed. Will look it up after the Reunion. She also said one 13 year old Mullins was hanged by the State of Missouri or a lynching party. And yes, there were Moss families in the county . In Hill County the German Maas families pronounce their name Moss , soft O Take care charles A. Wyly n, 17 Jun 2001 16:45:09 EDT BMoss69893@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 6/12/01 11:02:36 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > wyly1@juno.com > writes: > > << Another, a Mullins, of Chalk > Mountain, Erath County, Texas had also ridden with Quantrill >> > > And what Mullins would this be? My 3rd great grandfather was William > Thomas > Mullins (Mullens). He was a Revolutionary War Soldier. Just found > some of > the cousins and met one who lives in San Antonio. WTM's daughter, > Nancy, > married James Smith and they stayed in AL. One of their daughters, > Hester Ann > Smith, married a Williams and moved to Texas. She is buried in > Waxahatchee. > May find some more cousins. Who knows. My daughter says it is not > ancestry; > it is incestry. She is researching the Moss family in MS. I think we > are > going one day next week to check out cicil and criminal records from > 1850s. > Should be quite interesting. Betty. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

In a message dated 6/14/01 5:42:01 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Westsnwest@aol.com writes: << Would we be a stronger, freer society today if we had accepted the idea that a state had the right to secede? >> We would probably be a whole lot better off if that Dutch trader hadn't landed in Jamestown in 1619. Betty.

In a message dated 6/14/01 4:46:23 AM !!!First Boot!!!, LRudd71847@aol.com writes: << War of Northern Aggression >> I like the term "The Late Unpleasantness." Don't hear that one too often. Betty.

Hi, yes, it was his Choctaw Mother. By some Indian standards they were carrying out some of the habits of Indian Raiders, but they made the choice out of desperation , not for a quiet sedentary life- The Carpetbaggers, Kansas Jayhawkers, and Pinkerton Agents saw to that Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:32:45 EDT BMoss69893@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 6/12/01 5:17:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > flintlock@kcnet.com > writes: > > << Another reason the JAmes bros turned was because the north put a > cannonball > thru their house and blew off their step-mothers arm. >> > > I thought it was his mother. While in Durango. CO on vacation I > found a > picture post-card of Jesse when he was quite young. Got 3 - one for > my family > collection, one for son and daughter. Was Jesse ever in Colorado? > Betty. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Frank, I've recently learned that my area of Florida was involved in its' own civil war. There were many Unionist or anti-secessionists in Florida and they refused to take and bear arms against their USA. There were several bands of guerrillas operating all through Florida during the War. In Lafayette County, we've often heard we were settled by deserters and outlaws. I've always accepted the grain of truth in this, as have most others in the area. Well, they weren't all traitors or deserters. My 2ndgtgrandfather Morgan, David Pierpont, was the son of a Soldier of the Revolution, Richard MORGAN, and he chose to honor his father's sacrifices. His wife, Frances WATSON, was a descendant of Thomas and Nelson GIBSON, who both fought with Francis Marion's guerrillas. His fifteen-year-old son, Richard Thomas(my gtgrandpa), and his baby brother, Elijah C., both took up arms for the CSA. David P. fought with a band of guerrillas, White's Band, until they were incorporated into the US Army at Cedar Key, Fl., in the Spring of 1864. To the USA, these men were honorable heroes, to the CSA, they were traitors and deserters. Grandpa Dave died in October of 1864, and is buried at Cedar Key. I am blest with several Revolutionary Soldiers in my lineage, and many Confederates, as well as, I now know, many Yanks. I honor all of them and am horrified at some of the tribulations they endured. Nothing was easy for any of them. It is wonderful to have some places we can go and share all these wonderful histories, biographies, travels, etc., and know that others understand our love of our country, but also of our heritage. It infuriates me that some people expect us to apologize or re-write our Southern Heritage, yet refuse to acknowledge the horrors of the Reconstruction, which drove Uncle Elijah C., and many others, Westward. I always enjoy learning new insights into the past and my history, and pray that the day will not come when we are forced to accept propaganda, as the Germans and Russians once were. God bless, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Fuller <frank_fuller@sunshine.net> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: [SouthernTrails] The South > Some thoughts on the Lost Cause: During the Civil War John Mosby was knon > as the Grey Ghost. He was the guerilla calvary leader that raided Union > forces and supply trains.He captured a Union General and even hanged > prisoners. He had a long life dieing in 1916.In 1872 he became a scalawag > which landed appointments in the foreign servive. Mosby had firm ideas . He > said we fought for slavery.He made no bones about it . There are two bookx > that really portray the the south during Reconstruction .First is David > Blight, ".Race and Reunion, The CivilWar in American Memory", and "White > Terror, The Ku Klux KLan Conspiracy and Southern Reconstruction" by Allen > Trelease. > Trelease is professor at the Un. of North Carolina,His work is the first > full scale scholary study of the Ku Klux Klan and of its role in the wave > of white terrorism that swept the south after the Civil War. Blight is > also from the Un of North Carolina, Tony Horowitz says this the best book > ever written on the memory of Americans greatest conflict. > I am 84 years anf family reach back into the Civil Wsr and Reconstruction- > in fact to the American Revolution. My paternal Grandfather was Confederacy > Army veteran and all my maternal grand relatives came to Texas in the late > 1920s . I have read "Southwest Historical Journal" for many years to keep > wih southern history. Frank . >

In a message dated 6/14/01 12:59:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, flintlock@kcnet.com writes: << -Graves- >> Could this be a descendant of Capt. Thomas Graves who came to Jamestown in 1608? If so there are at least 2 of us who also descend from him and maybe even more. Betty.

Hi, Judy, My wife's grandmother was marie Alice Renfro of Cleburne , Texas where she was the second wife of her grandad James Whitcomb O'Riley, Irish immigrant at age 12. other Renfroes live in Etath and Johnson county. Ring any bells? Burleson, Texas was named by a Renfro who named it after his pastor, Baylor Prof. Burleson and a fellow Lodge brother. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:25:40 -0700 Judy Oldziewski <harness75@earthlink.net> writes: > I am going to reply privately to the question re the Renfroe's and > Indian hertiage because I don't think it is of general interest but > if > anyone is interested let me know and I will be happy to share. > > The cases I was talking about is where the person actually requested > to > be removed from the rolls, not where they were unable to provide > proof. > > Judy > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

In a message dated 6/13/01 7:45:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Hepgrannie@aol.com writes: << Anyway, the usual outcry about "freedom of expression" should also apply to anyone who wants to fly the Confederate flag, in my opinion. >> Folks who want to fly the Confederate flag just don't seem to have that right. At least not around here. Betty in Alabama.

In a message dated 6/13/01 3:23:03 PM !!!First Boot!!!, flintlock@kcnet.com writes: << Ask any child who Jefferson Davis was or Robert E. Lee? >> And I wonder how many people know that Arlington National Cemetery started in Mrs. Lee's rose garden? Betty.

Hi List, Not to extend the talk, but ; a few years ago I was watching Allistair Cooke's America series & he said that when the colonists landed in two different locations; that was the beginning of the American Civil War , due to two different opinions on a lot of things as well as religious beliefs. The two locations were Virginia & Massachusetts. I found this to be very interesting. Watch for it on the History Channel. B.Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: <BMoss69893@aol.com> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2001 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Flying the Confederate Flag > In a message dated 6/14/01 5:42:01 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Westsnwest@aol.com > writes: > > << Would we be a stronger, > freer society today if we had accepted the idea that a state had the right > to > secede? >> > > We would probably be a whole lot better off if that Dutch trader hadn't > landed in Jamestown in 1619. Betty. > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

In a message dated 6/13/01 3:53:38 AM !!!First Boot!!!, historybuff123@hotmail.com writes: << If you think people fly that flag to show defiance, hatred of Yankees, or to be flat out racist, you have been brainwashed by the media and the poitically "correct" people to think as they do. >> Amen. Betty.

In a message dated 6/12/01 11:02:36 PM !!!First Boot!!!, wyly1@juno.com writes: << Another, a Mullins, of Chalk Mountain, Erath County, Texas had also ridden with Quantrill >> And what Mullins would this be? My 3rd great grandfather was William Thomas Mullins (Mullens). He was a Revolutionary War Soldier. Just found some of the cousins and met one who lives in San Antonio. WTM's daughter, Nancy, married James Smith and they stayed in AL. One of their daughters, Hester Ann Smith, married a Williams and moved to Texas. She is buried in Waxahatchee. May find some more cousins. Who knows. My daughter says it is not ancestry; it is incestry. She is researching the Moss family in MS. I think we are going one day next week to check out cicil and criminal records from 1850s. Should be quite interesting. Betty.

In a message dated 6/12/01 5:17:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, flintlock@kcnet.com writes: << Another reason the JAmes bros turned was because the north put a cannonball thru their house and blew off their step-mothers arm. >> I thought it was his mother. While in Durango. CO on vacation I found a picture post-card of Jesse when he was quite young. Got 3 - one for my family collection, one for son and daughter. Was Jesse ever in Colorado? Betty.

And why the cemetery was so close to the house. That is another story in itself Judy

The War Eagle grist mill is located east of Rogers, AR in Benton Co. on Arkansas Road 12. It is a working undershot water mill, said to be the only one west of the Mississippi. Of course it is a replacement, the last one was destroyed during the Civil War. The mill is the site of a spring juried craft fair which has spawned additional fairs throughout most of Benton County and attracts thousands of visitors. Another craft fair is held in October. There is also a War Eagle Cavern. Jeanie ----- Original Message ----- From: "skm" <flintlock@kcnet.com> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Re: Southern-Trails-D Digest > Could you tell me where the grist mill is located? I have looked for many > years for it. > No one had a knowledge of it until you mentioned it.