Can someone remind me what the URL is for the online census? I tried it several times when I first heard about it but didn't find anybody. I'd like to try again. Thanks, Emily

This maybe is more western trails.....but does anyone have info on the Canadian River which runs thru New Mexico, Texas panhandle, OK.....looks like it ends close to the Arkansas River. Say in 1860.....would there be any way to trace a Native American family along this river? Where there any there? I know this sounds strange. We have our great-grandfather who was at least part Indian just showing up in NW Arkansas around 1860, 1861. Now most men are joining the army then but he somehow manages to stay out. (maybe he had already deserted from someplace else). He marrys and begins his family. Census records say he could not read or write. The marriage record says Moses Branum. 1870 census has Banham, 1880 census Bannam, 1900 census Barnum. It was pronounced by everyone as Barnum and his children spelled it Barnum. Moses was said to have talked funny - a very heavy accent of some kind. Now he said at different times that he was from Canada, MO, KS. Apparently he did not want anyone to really know where he had come from. He is supposed to have gotten to NW Arkansas by river on a raft - always assumed the Mississippi River. Now I have this wild thought that maybe he was from someplace on the Canadian River. Could he have gotten to NW Arkansas by using that river? Thanks Mary [email protected]

I will be travelling from Pittsburgh to Nashville, TN next week-end, and I am wondering if it would be worthwhile to go slightly out of the way in order to go through the Cumberland Gap area. Are any of you familiar with the area and willing to offer advise? I have read that there is now a tunnel. I don't like tunnels and would not be interested in that. What I want to see is the trail our ancestors took. What are my chances? Janet

--------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Color Red" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:50:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Shooting at LDS Family History Center] Message-ID: <[email protected]> >From Local news in Utah. A gunman entered the LDS Genealogy research Library this morning. He opened fire, hitting 5 victims, 3 critically and a police officer. Hospitals are reporting that an additional 15 victims have been admitted. For gun shot wounds too trauma. The shooter has died, while in custody, being worked on by Paramedics. Was found to possible be wired with a bomb. It has since been reported that he was not. Two of the critically wounded victim have parished, a security guard, and a elderly woman. The Library is being swept for suspicious packages. The 17 people that locked themselves in on second floor, for their own safety have been safely removed. They apparently lock themselves in for saftey. The shooter entered , KSL News TV station at the Triad Center asking for directions to the LDS Family Library, earlier this morning. LDS spoke person reports that the Temple was not evacuated as earlier reported. A Ryder truck parked at the Triad Center. Believed to be tied to the Shooter is being checked for explosives. A four block area has been evacuated. A possible note left on the windshield of the truck is being leaked but not verified. Cheryl in Utah

--------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alli <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:15:12 +0000 Subject: [OKTULSA-L] Salt Lake City, Utah LDS Shooting Message-ID: <[email protected]> I just heard on the Radio news that a gunman possibly 2 fired shots in the Salt Lake City Family History Center Library today. They have one gunman in custody, but they think there is another. They have 1 confirmed death & 7 injured. Its 12:12 pm my time in Idaho & I heard this less than an hr. ago. I just heard about the number of people hurt just before I got connected. How terrible. Why would anyone do something so sick, they couldn't be mad about not finding info. on their ancestor's. Hopefully, I will hear more on this & get those answer's. I just thought this would be of interest. Alli

--------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alli <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:05:45 +0000 Subject: [OKTULSA-L] LDS Shooting update Message-ID: <[email protected]> I just heard that there were 11 injured, 3 dead The gunman is dead, so I assume that he's 1 of the 3. Forgive me for saying this. But I am glad he is. He can never repay the families of the people he has hurt or killed. Nothing is worth taking or injuring someone's life. We may never know why this senseless act has occurred either. My prayers & thoughts are sent for the families. Alli

KARLA KT SHAHAN wrote: > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Alli <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:05:45 +0000 > Subject: [OKTULSA-L] LDS Shooting update > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > I just heard that there were 11 injured, 3 dead The gunman is dead, so I > assume that he's 1 of the 3. Forgive me for saying this. But I am glad > he is. He can never repay the families of the people he has hurt or > killed. Nothing is worth taking or injuring someone's life. We may never > know why this senseless act has occurred either. > My prayers & thoughts are sent for the families. > Alli > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== This is a strange and scary happening...I think of the times I've been to a local genealogical library or FHC and think how totally unexpected and unprepared we are for this type of thing. The people who died were the gunman, a security guard and a woman visitor. She could have been one of us. She may very well be one of us; it's too soon to know. I know that I will be remembering the families of those touched by this in my prayers. Sue [email protected]

[email protected] wrote: > > I have heard that there was an early road that originated in St. Augustine, > FL and went to Pensacola, FL. Does anyone have information about that? When > did settlers begin using it? Was it built by the military? There is a street in Valdosta, Ga., called Old St. Augustine Road and I think Pensacola was the western terminus. The archaeology department of the University of Florida, Gainesville, Fla., has done a lot of work on the early Spanish missionaries who established the road and could probably provide you with a map. Some mission sites have been recently documented in the Valdosta area, I believe. -- Jim Blease mailto:[email protected] Valdosta, Ga. ICQ # 19431334

I have heard that there was an early road that originated in St. Augustine, FL and went to Pensacola, FL. Does anyone have information about that? When did settlers begin using it? Was it built by the military? Would settlers in Pensacola mostly come by water or overland along that road? Or did they come by some other trail? Kathryn

Last night while trying to catch up on reading...lol, I came across this query in the Kentucky Explore February 1999 Issue: ========================= Wants Sizemore Information Dear Editor, I am looking for infomration on Chief Red Bird Sizemore. Also, I would like to find a copy of a newspaper article on the Sizemores. The title reads: "In Clay County, Kentucky, It's Hard to Avoid Sizemores; Appalachian Clan Is Prolific, Accustomed to Violence." Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Debi Sizemore 4479 E. Shore Drive Apt. 5 1/2 Bremen, IN 46506 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Local history says that the wagon trains going west or northwest from central.guided on Pilot Mt. to end up in Mt.Airy to rest their stock prior to going over the Blue Ridge Mtns. at Fancy Gap,Va,and on to Fort Chiswall.Fort Chiswall is located on present I81 about 10 miles east of Wytheville. Was there such a trail? If so,what was it's name? Take care ,Joe Joe Coastal CarolinaUSA [email protected]

Jaime: No, this is not rare, especially in the early days. I have a group of several families who moved from MD to KY to OH in the late 17-early1 1800s [Sargent, Pigman, Walraven, Penn, Wilmoth]. They usually came in groups with the same ethnic background and/or religion. The available pool of mates was pretty small, and they all intermarried -- I've found many 1st and 2nd cousin marriages in those early settlements. They had huge families, and a lot of the kids moved on as new land opened up for settlement. Again, they usually gathered a group of relatives & friends who would set out for the new area together. Each new advance was into Indian territory, and the whole undertaking was very risky. I have nothing but admiration for these pioneers who faced such hardships. Regards, Virginia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:32 PM Subject: Groups of families migrating together > Does anyone know if there is a way to find out which families traveled > together as they moved from state to state ? The main line I am researching > ,the Hamptons ,moved from Tennessee to Illinois and then to Missouri. Many of > the same family names that I find near them in ILL. show up later in > Missouri. I am trying to find out if some of these families might be related > to mine. Is there a way to prove this or is it just luck and guessing ? > Thanks in advance for your help and ideas Jaime [email protected] > > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Please remember that real people read the messages you post. > Got a problem? Got a gripe? Don't take it to the list! > Send me a message, and I'll try to take care of it: > mailto:[email protected] >

>X-From_: [email protected] Tue Apr 13 22:51:43 1999 >Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:41:14 -0700 (PDT) >From: [email protected] >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:32:28 EDT >Subject: Groups of families migrating together > >Does anyone know if there is a way to find out which families traveled >together as they moved from state to state ? The main line I am researching >,the Hamptons ,moved from Tennessee to Illinois and then to Missouri. Many of >the same family names that I find near them in ILL. show up later in >Missouri. I am trying to find out if some of these families might be related >to mine. Is there a way to prove this or is it just luck and guessing ? >Thanks in advance for your help and ideas Jaime [email protected] Jaime.....that is what makes it all so much fun. I have been working on my family since I was a kid and I am still learning things about them. I make a file of surnames I find living near my family, over time it will all make sense. And yes, sometimes the way you find these families woven together will drive you crazy. For example: My main line was in Tennessee, then moved to Arkansas in 1830s. Some of the siblings made that move, some stayed in TN, and some in 1818 went to Alabama. I find some of the same surnames in all 3 places, and with time find that they are also all the same family. Digging deeper I find that there were usually a marriage between these families someplace, often in all 3 locations. Then when I add in the Ar ones moving to OK and the AL ones to TX - again it is the same families. I have taken the first census of Van Buren Co Arkansas in 1840 - the people began moving there around 1834 - and with about half of the families I find some relationship. Either they lived near each other, sometimes for two generations in two different states; or they were related. You might end up with two cousins with different surnames moving along together. I have found several of the surnames in 1790s in Virginia and it looks like they were all in the same church, with the same minister performing their marriages. I have the Bowman family living near mine in all locations. It begins in PA in 1740s, and goes all the way to 1900s in Arkansas. I mean in Illinois, Indiana, Mo, KY, Va, PA, AR, Texas. So my Bowman file is pretty big. I did find a Bowman/Turney marriage in PA very early, also a Gilliam/Bowman marriage on early frontier. So when I see Bowman as a middle name of some of the Arkansas Turney family, I search and find that the Turney wife was a Gilliam, thus her grandmother was a Bowman. Someone just sent me the name of his ancestor who had Turney as a middle name, found that the man's grandmother was a Turney. He was very happy I could give him more info on his family just from that middle name. So yes, it is very important to be aware of the surnames of people living near your ancestor, who traveled with them, etc. When I copy like a land deed, I do the page before and the page after. People moving into an area often filed about the same time and lived near each other; their children would later marry. Also census records, get about 5 families before and after your ancestor......in-laws often lived just down the road. The same with cemetery lists, if it is a small cemetery get the whole thing.....relatives were buried together. sometimes sisters would be buried near each other, but of course have different last names. Figure if someone is buried close to your ancestor in a small, old cemetery - they were very likely to be related in some way. You will have a lot of paper work to keep track of, just make a file for each surname and then you can break it down by location if it gets too big. In maybe 30 years or so it will all begin to make sense to you. Mary

Jaime: I have wondered the same thing, because the situation exists for several branches of my family. Someone who wants to write a book should pursue this! I would think that there would be quite a few land transactions in the place the group of families left. They would need to sell their lands and then move, wouldn't you think? Then they would need supplies, i.e., wagons, food, etc. That would be quite a bit of activity if ten or more families were involved. Does anyone know of diaries that people making such moves kept? I found one from a lady who moved from Perry County, AL to Marion, LA. This will take you to it: <A HREF="ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/perry/miscel/tompkins.txt">Click here: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/perry/miscel/tompkins.txt </A> My ancestors moved from North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia into Alabama. I guess they followed the Great Wagon Road and the Federal Road. Some of their kin went on further into Louisiana and Texas; they went South to the Gulf Coast eventually. I would love to know their stories! Kathryn

Does anyone know if there is a way to find out which families traveled together as they moved from state to state ? The main line I am researching ,the Hamptons ,moved from Tennessee to Illinois and then to Missouri. Many of the same family names that I find near them in ILL. show up later in Missouri. I am trying to find out if some of these families might be related to mine. Is there a way to prove this or is it just luck and guessing ? Thanks in advance for your help and ideas Jaime [email protected]

Cemeteries of Letcher County, KY This site contains a database to about 315 cemeteries (about 7800 individual graves). Searchable by surname. http://webpages.metrolink.net/~bcaudill/kygenweb/cem_recs.htm Sue [email protected]

About Bounty Land Warrents from the War of 1812 This site is a brief but useful article discussing the bounty lands from the war of 1812...if you have been confused about how this worked, check this site out. http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds/bounty.htm

I would like to have a source of information or reference describing the history of the route of the present AR Highway 27. I am particularly looking for information during the last half of the 1800's. Has anyone ever seen any material on the subject? Don Banks // Vicksburg MS

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Folks, one last time: There is NO WAY to do a short prepend of the Southern-Trails-L name, like STL. I am not going to prepend a list name that would hide the subject from a number of users because they have limited number of characters to see. Your options: 1) set up the mail filters to send your Southern Trails mail into their own folder. (This is what I do for all my good lists. It keeps the messages together in one area, and makes it convenient.) I don't know how to do this using Microsoft outlook since I don't run it, but to do it under netscape, you go to file, and set up a new folder. Then you go to edit, click on message filters, click on new, and select "the to or cc:" in the box that says subject, and in the line that is blank after contains, enter Southern-Trails. On the folder select, toggle the new folder you've made for your southern trails messages, and after that point, everything from ST will be in the folder separated from the rest. Most, if not all mail software has a similar set of functions. This makes email much more managable. Option two: get the digest, since it is always prepended. Now personally, I don't like digests, which is why I use folders, but I have the digest form set to the minimal size it'll let me, so that they never get too big before being sent out. Until Rootsweb comes up with a way to prepend a short form of the list name, I will not prepend Southern Trails. If I was reading this off of my other computer, I'd never be able to see what the subject was, cause it's running old software, and I know I'm not the only one out there, either. As Mamie Yokum used to say in the ol' Li'l Abner comic strip, I has spoken. Sue [email protected]