Gin, Your post came thru without a hitch. Guess things are just slow on this list. I haven't received much from it, either. Oby (in Texas)

I haven't' received posts from this list in a while and am wondering if I have been bumped from the list. Gin

May I make a suggestion: As I am on several mail list and with all the viruses that are being sent via on-line messages some of the mail list do not list "their names" in the subject line.................so when we send an inquiry start typing in the lister's name in the subject line followed by your subject. Now I am extremely cautious about opening emails without a subject matter listed. Even with all my family members on-line emails, we put in our first name followed by the subject matter in the "subject" box-line. Thanks!

At 06:11 PM 6/11/99 +0000, you wrote: >Jo Ellen: I can't really give you any information, but I did have the name Keown who went from SC to Bowling Green, Ky area with Youngs, McDonalds, McCurdys, and in Ky area the Keowns mixed with Cooksey name. As I remember, this group went to Illinois. Wish I could tell you more. Jean [email protected] > >JoEllen Barnes wrote: > >> I am looking for information on "Isom and Mary Lynn". Isom and Mary Lynn are the parents of Jim Lynn (James). Jim was born approximately 1849 - 1851. Jim Lynn worked and lived on the Cooksey property in Bowling Green, Kentucky on Slim Island Road. Therefore I know that Isom and Mary lived prior to Jim being born in 1849 -1951. >> >> Any assistance that can be given will be greatly appreciated. Going to Illinois from KY was a very common route, as was going from parts of SW VA, Shenandoah Valley, and parts of NC.....thru what is today Eastern TN, the Cumberland Gap and into KY. Anyway, around 1814 there was the Shawneetown land District in Illinois.....I think land was recorded at Vincennes Indiana at some point. Several Illinois counties came out of the area - Franklin, Gallatin, Hamilton, hardin, Jefferson, Johnson, Massac, Pope, Saline, White, Williamson. Also parts of Pulaski, Union, Wayne, Edwards, and Wabash. Also before 1820, some land in present Fayette, marion, and Clay were recorded at Shawneetown. I guess what I am trying to say is.....many southern families ended up in Illinois say 1820s-1840s or so. Some then later moved on to MO, AR, or the Northwest. So it is not uncommon to have a family begin in NC, move to KY, and finally IL. Then the older generation dies, and the next one continues on to perhaps AR, OK, TX or to the western U.S. All this moving in the space of a couple of generations. Mary

A northernmost Panhandle Co, bordering Okla, created in 1876 organized 1889 from Bexar and Young Territories. Named for John M. Hansford, Shelby Co legislator-judge. This might help. Jean [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > Does anyone have any history of Hansford Co.? I am doing some research for > my cousin. Her grand-father was Charles Hansford of this co. He has been > dead for about 75 years. He half Native American and German. > > Thanks, > Diane Dumas > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Please remember that real people read the messages you post. > Got a problem? Got a gripe? Don't take it to the list! > Send me a message, and I'll try to take care of it: > mailto:[email protected]

For what its worth: Texas Almanac 1966: In Hansford Co, is the site of Zulu Stockade, just north of the Canadian River, which was the first post office in that section. British fuffalo hunters named it in 1872 because it resembled stockades built to keep out African Zulus. Jean [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > Does anyone have any history of Hansford Co.? I am doing some research for > my cousin. Her grand-father was Charles Hansford of this co. He has been > dead for about 75 years. He half Native American and German. > > Thanks, > Diane Dumas > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Please remember that real people read the messages you post. > Got a problem? Got a gripe? Don't take it to the list! > Send me a message, and I'll try to take care of it: > mailto:[email protected]

My Ruth Ann Smith and children left Talladega, Ala (I think) (altho George Washington Smith was born Ga, who was head of family, and died about 1871 Ala) after she became a widow and came to Texas to be near her sister and husband, the Claunch family. They came by ship, landing in Indianola just ahead of a big storm, and had to rush inland as quickly as they could. So they also came from other State ports but I have no idea where. Perhaps Mobile,Ala.??? For what its worth. Jean [email protected] Cindy Bolinger wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------20270AAD9B46D1E18F6EF749 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I believe you are referring to Indianola, Texas. Lots of German and Czech > immigrants came in that way. But from the east, they would probably have come by > wagon. > > What happened that increased population was the end of the Texas Revolution for > independence from Mexico in 1836, and then the decision of the Texans to become a > state of the United States, in 1845. > > Before statehood, Moses Austin and his son Stephen led families in under Mexican > approval to start settlements. These primarily came from Alabama, Louisiana, > Mississippi and Tennessee (1820-1830). > > Hope that's not information overload. I just happened to have this information > handy. > Cindy > > Harold Miller wrote: > > > I wonder what was going on in Tyler, Smith Co Texas about the 1854 time > > frame? I have a group who were born in TN, moved to Illinois in 1820s, > > around 1854-1856 they were in Tyler, Smith Co Texas. the husband died there > > in 1862, he had been a lawyer, etc. in Illinois, also a Colonel or something > > probably in Black Hawk War???? I am just beginning research on him, but > > wonder why the move to Texas so late in his life? Seems his sons fought in > > USA IL units during War in 1860s, but his family in TN had among others - > > Peter Turney who was Col. of 1st TN Regiment and in 1880s Governor of TN. > > So it is a southern family, my branch was in Arkansas and was CSA, with some > > of the cousins being USA. Could this move have been because of the war > > coming? Did he feel he would rather be in Texas if there was a war coming? > > Or what was there about Tyler at that time? > > > > Do you know why your family moved from GA to Texas then? For land? that > > was the usual reason. Will see what I can find about routes at that time. > > Seem to remember something about there being an old port where a lot of > > people came in, but it is not there anymore. > > > > Mary > > > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > > Please remember that real people read the messages you post. > > Got a problem? Got a gripe? Don't take it to the list! > > Send me a message, and I'll try to take care of it: > > mailto:[email protected] > > --------------20270AAD9B46D1E18F6EF749 > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: Card for Cindy Bolinger > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" > > begin: vcard > fn: Cindy Bolinger > n: Bolinger;Cindy > org: Big Planet http://dwp.bigplanet.com/caboling/ > email;internet: [email protected] > note: "Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got." - Janis Joplin > x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 > x-mozilla-html: TRUE > version: 2.1 > end: vcard > > --------------20270AAD9B46D1E18F6EF749-- > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb is Free! But Rootsweb is supported by volunteers and > contributions. Show your support and become a member. Click here > for more information: > http://www.rootsweb.com

Jo Ellen: I can't really give you any information, but I did have the name Keown who went from SC to Bowling Green, Ky area with Youngs, McDonalds, McCurdys, and in Ky area the Keowns mixed with Cooksey name. As I remember, this group went to Illinois. Wish I could tell you more. Jean [email protected] JoEllen Barnes wrote: > I am looking for information on "Isom and Mary Lynn". Isom and Mary Lynn are the parents of Jim Lynn (James). Jim was born approximately 1849 - 1851. Jim Lynn worked and lived on the Cooksey property in Bowling Green, Kentucky on Slim Island Road. Therefore I know that Isom and Mary lived prior to Jim being born in 1849 -1951. > > Any assistance that can be given will be greatly appreciated. > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to > [email protected] if you are subscribed to the list, > or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the digest. > In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe

I am looking for information on Matt and Mary McKinney. They had a daughter named Angie (Angeline) Mckinney. Angeline was born about 1847 and therefore I know her parents lived prior to that time period. Angeline married a Henry Smith. The family lived in Butler County, Kentucky. Any assistance that can be given will be greatly appreciated.

I am looking for information on "Isom and Mary Lynn". Isom and Mary Lynn are the parents of Jim Lynn (James). Jim was born approximately 1849 - 1851. Jim Lynn worked and lived on the Cooksey property in Bowling Green, Kentucky on Slim Island Road. Therefore I know that Isom and Mary lived prior to Jim being born in 1849 -1951. Any assistance that can be given will be greatly appreciated.

I am looking for information on a "Rious Smith". Rious Smith was the father of Henry Smith. Henry Smith married a Angie (Angeline) Mckinney. Henry and Angeline were born approximately 1846 and I know that Rious was born prior to that time period. They has lived in Butler County of Kentucky. I have located census information on Henry and Angie, but nothing on Rious. Any assistance that can be given will be greatly appreciated

I am looking for information on Lewis and Harriet Bratton they lived in Warren County Bowling Green, Kentucky. I know that they were both born prior to 1860 because their daughter Sallie Bratton was born in 1860. There was a CD with census information of head of households only and a Lewis Bratton was listed in the 1870 census for Green Castle Precinct of Kentucky. I am told that was Richardsville a part of Warren County. I have not been able to find information on Lewis or Harriet. Their names were on Sallie's death certificate when I purchased it. Sallie's married name was Sallie Bratton Lynn. Any assistance would be most helpful.

Dear All, I am very interested in reading about the port of Indianola - this was on the southern coast of Texas? Who entered here and when... and from what countries... is there a Ship's List associated with this migration point... or are there any informative websites to which one can point me? What were some of the family names of those who came to America through this port of entry? Were these Cajuns? Huguenots? Forgive me, as I am quite naive about this whole scenario. Karla [email protected]

Hello! I am looking for any information on Frank Head. He was found in the 1870 census in Berrien County, Ga. (Milltown) He was listed as mullato and later african american. He was married to Mary Williams Head. They later moved to Brooks, Co. Georgia (Pavo). Frank's father was supposedly born somewhere in North Carolina. Any leads will be greatly appreciated. Randy McClain

>X-From_: [email protected] Thu Jun 10 16:30:09 1999 >Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:21:52 -0700 (PDT) >X-Sender: [email protected] >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:21:38 -0500 >Old-To: [email protected] >From: "Robert P. Gerstenberg" <[email protected]> >Subject: Vehlein >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bl-14.rootsweb.com id NAA12368 >Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Resent-From: [email protected] >X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/3521 >X-Loop: [email protected] >Resent-Sender: [email protected] > > >Hi Jan and others, here is Vehlein. If you want more go to The Handbook of >Texas Online. <http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/index.html> > >Find the search engine and enter : Vehlein. (Careful about the spelling). >You will find 35 articles mentioning Vehlein. This includes a large number >of Vehlein's settlers names. >Regards, RG >____________________________________________________ > >VEHLEIN, JOSEPH (?-?). Joseph Vehlein, a German merchant of Mexico City, >received three empresario contracts to bring settlers to Texas under the >Coahuila and Texas colonization law of March 24, 1825. With John Lucius >Woodburyqv he received a contract on November 14, 1826, to settle 200 >families, but although the contract date was extended to 1834, there is no >evidence of any families located under the grant. A second contract of >December 21, 1826, gave Vehlein permission to settle 300 families in the >area between the Old San Antonio Roadqv on the north, the coastal reserve >on the south, the San Jacinto River on the west, and the border reserve on >the east. The third contract, November 17, 1828, gave Vehlein the right to >settle 100 families in the area south of his 1826 grant. Finding that he >did not have sufficient capital to undertake colonization Vehlein combined >his grants with those of David G. Burnet and Lorenzo de Zavala.qv On >October 16, 1830, the three empresarios transferred their holdings to the >Galveston Bay and Texas Land Company.qv > >BIBLIOGRAPHY: Mary Virginia Henderson, "Minor Empresario Contracts for the >Colonization of Texas, 1825-1834," Southwestern Historical Quarterly 31, 32 >(April, July 1928). Mary Virginia Henderson, Minor Empresario Grants in >Texas, 1825-1834 (M.A. thesis, University of Texas, 1926). Kate Mason >Rowland, "General John Thompson Mason," Quarterly of the Texas State >Historical Association 11 (January 1908). > >  > >The Handbook of Texas Online is a joint project of The General Libraries at >the University of Texas at Austin and the Texas State Historical Association. > >© The Texas State Historical Association, 1997,1998,1999. >Last Updated: February 15, 1999 >Comments to: [email protected] > > > >

In a message dated 6/10/99 10:59:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Dear All, I am very interested in reading about the port of Indianola - this was on the southern coast of Texas? Who entered here and when... and from what countries... is there a Ship's List associated with this migration point... or are there any informative websites to which one can point me? What were some of the family names of those who came to America through this port of entry? Were these Cajuns? Huguenots? Forgive me, as I am quite naive about this whole scenario. Karla [email protected] >> Hi Karla, Yes, Indianola was on the the southern coast of Texas. I should imagine alot of different nationalities and names but it was the prime point of entry for those from German countries who came to Texas mid 1800's. There is still a very German town in Texas, Fredericksburg, that is a popular vacation spot. Primarily German was spoken there for many years. It is in Gillespie County. It would probably be a good place to start in finding information on Indianola as so many of these ancestors passed through. Actually, most anything on Texas History or German-American organizations would possibly have info or possibly even an internet search. Sorry but I don't know what's available. Happy Hunting. Karen

Indianola is in Calhoun county, Texas was on the Gulf Coast of Texas and was wiped out by a hurricane in 1875 , there is nothing there .. Jeffersonis in Marion county, Texas was a port on Cypress Byou, it was a river port and they came up river from Shreveport , La , during the civil war there was a munitions works there. Peggy

Well guess what I got in my mail today, something from Tyler Public Library - I had asked about James Turney who arrived there around 1857 or so. Info cost me $2.50 and that was postage and handling, so it is a good place to get info, and they are very, very nice. I can not copy the full material - afraid of copyright problems, but this is from a letter reprinted in CHRONICLES of Smith County Texas Volume 7, Number 2 Published by the Smith County Historical Society/ Tyler, Texas Fall 1968 A young lawyer born in TN, educated in KY, his family lived in Arkansas. He had moved to Tyler, Smith Co Texas around December 1856. He wrote a letter back home to father in Arkansas in September 1858 saying how he did not think his mother and father would like to live in Tyler - it was so different from what they were used to in Arkansas. But he loved it. He talks about many of the people in town, and then says this: "Louisiana you know is of French origin in its settlement, and that fact has effected its laws, habits, usages and customs in a thousand ways. Texas, in a great many respects, is stil as much a Spanish province as it was before its independence was achieved. They all seemed very strange to me at first. What would you think of a woman standing her husband's security on a note of hand, as a recognisance for his appearance at court? Of a merchant keeping three accounts against a person the same year -- one for what he got for his own use, another for what he fot for his wife's use, and a third for the goods they both got for their joint benefit and then of their keeping account between themselves of their separate property and their joint property, and trading with each other. It''s all very Spanish to me. If a man marries in Texas, or marrys anywhere else with the intention of coming to Texas no matter how rich his wife may be the property dont become his at all, but remains her own, except what she may be willing to give him, just precisely like it did before marriage. It aint liable for a single one of his debts anymore than anybody else's property would be. It is the greatest country for married women so far as the laws are concerned in the Union -- and as a general rule I am told that the ladies like it very much, and indeed they do have a better chance to get along well, and have a little feeling of independence. I only mention these as instances of the difference from what it is in Arkansas." He goes on to say how everyone is making money, crops are good, life so much better for people than back in Arkansas. Says people use money to buy goods, not like in Arkansas, and that money is very available. Legal rate of interest was 8 percent and as high as 12 percent can be collected if stipulated in the note. Seemed to be a lot of land speuclation. He mentions how fine the Texas people were, wanted to visit his family next year and bring some of his Texas friends. Said "Texas was the greatest place for getting married. Tyler had some very find young ladies, but they are generally mightly wild. Balls and parties come off in Tyler pretty often and the girls come far and near to dance." People he mentions in town were from NC, SC, TN, AR, LA, MS.....all over it seemed. It sounds like the town was very new. He also said "I candidly believe it is the finest and most desirable country in the south." So now we know some of the reasons for the move. I know this is not about migration routes, but I just loved reading about this place written by someone living there in 1858. There is so much flavor in his description of the town and people. Mary [email protected]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------20270AAD9B46D1E18F6EF749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe you are referring to Indianola, Texas. Lots of German and Czech immigrants came in that way. But from the east, they would probably have come by wagon. What happened that increased population was the end of the Texas Revolution for independence from Mexico in 1836, and then the decision of the Texans to become a state of the United States, in 1845. Before statehood, Moses Austin and his son Stephen led families in under Mexican approval to start settlements. These primarily came from Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee (1820-1830). Hope that's not information overload. I just happened to have this information handy. Cindy Harold Miller wrote: > I wonder what was going on in Tyler, Smith Co Texas about the 1854 time > frame? I have a group who were born in TN, moved to Illinois in 1820s, > around 1854-1856 they were in Tyler, Smith Co Texas. the husband died there > in 1862, he had been a lawyer, etc. in Illinois, also a Colonel or something > probably in Black Hawk War???? I am just beginning research on him, but > wonder why the move to Texas so late in his life? Seems his sons fought in > USA IL units during War in 1860s, but his family in TN had among others - > Peter Turney who was Col. of 1st TN Regiment and in 1880s Governor of TN. > So it is a southern family, my branch was in Arkansas and was CSA, with some > of the cousins being USA. Could this move have been because of the war > coming? Did he feel he would rather be in Texas if there was a war coming? > Or what was there about Tyler at that time? > > Do you know why your family moved from GA to Texas then? For land? that > was the usual reason. Will see what I can find about routes at that time. > Seem to remember something about there being an old port where a lot of > people came in, but it is not there anymore. > > Mary > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Please remember that real people read the messages you post. > Got a problem? Got a gripe? Don't take it to the list! > Send me a message, and I'll try to take care of it: > mailto:[email protected] --------------20270AAD9B46D1E18F6EF749 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Cindy Bolinger Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Cindy Bolinger n: Bolinger;Cindy org: Big Planet http://dwp.bigplanet.com/caboling/ email;internet: [email protected] note: "Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got." - Janis Joplin x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------20270AAD9B46D1E18F6EF749--

Hi, Indianola is the port in Texas where so many Germans entered in the mid 1800's...then they moved mainly up to Fredericksburg, New Braunfels, and Kerrville. Peter Turney..how wonderful! Peter Turney has always seemed a colorful and adept character....once ate a letter rather than have it admitted as evidence, I believe. How could you not like a guy like that? Karen In a message dated 6/10/99 10:29:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << X-From_: [email protected] Thu Jun 10 08:11:57 1999 >Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:07:01 -0700 (PDT) >From: [email protected] >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:05:57 EDT >Subject: Georgia-Texas Emigration 1850's >Old-To: [email protected] >Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Resent-From: [email protected] >X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/1821 >X-Loop: [email protected] >Resent-Sender: [email protected] > >My great grandparents left middle Georgia (Newton County) immediately after >their marriage in 1854, settling in Tyler (Smith County), Texas. I am writing >a book about my ancestors combining history and genealogy and need help in >describing how they might have traveled at that time. Are their any texts >that discuss emigration routes between Georgia and Texas? Any help would be >appreciated. > Art Seder > I wonder what was going on in Tyler, Smith Co Texas about the 1854 time frame? I have a group who were born in TN, moved to Illinois in 1820s, around 1854-1856 they were in Tyler, Smith Co Texas. the husband died there in 1862, he had been a lawyer, etc. in Illinois, also a Colonel or something probably in Black Hawk War???? I am just beginning research on him, but wonder why the move to Texas so late in his life? Seems his sons fought in USA IL units during War in 1860s, but his family in TN had among others - Peter Turney who was Col. of 1st TN Regiment and in 1880s Governor of TN. So it is a southern family, my branch was in Arkansas and was CSA, with some of the cousins being USA. Could this move have been because of the war coming? Did he feel he would rather be in Texas if there was a war coming? Or what was there about Tyler at that time? Do you know why your family moved from GA to Texas then? For land? that was the usual reason. Will see what I can find about routes at that time. Seem to remember something about there being an old port where a lot of people came in, but it is not there anymore. Mary ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== Please remember that real people read the messages you post. Got a problem? Got a gripe? Don't take it to the list! Send me a message, and I'll try to take care of it: mailto:[email protected] ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v59.34) with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:29:41 -0400 Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id KAA03566; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17033; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Sender: [email protected] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:31:33 +0000 Old-To: [email protected] From: Harold Miller <[email protected]> Subject: Smith Co TX 1854 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/1823 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected]