The following is an exerpt from the log of a wagon train trip from Campbell County GA to Jackson Parish LA that took almost two months and covered approximately 700 miles. Campbell County Georgia Tuesday Nov 10 1857 - Crossed the Chattahoochee River at the Widow Varner's Ferry, traveled 11 miles. Wednesday Nov 11 - Passed Carrollton GA Traveled 18 miles Friday Nov 13 - Bowden GA - Crossed state line, entered Randolph County AL Saturday Nov 14 - Aveclooce Village. Forded Big Tallepoosa River at Gordon's ford. Traveled 15 miles. Crossed Chockalooche Mountains and camped in Chokalooche Valley, had limestone water. Sunday Nov 15 - Lay by and went to a Baptist meeting in Taladega CO Monday Nov 16 - Bought a ham in Talledega Town. Wednesday Nov 18 - Crossed Coosa river at Pymulga Ferry, Shelby CO.Crossed Alabama and Tennessee R R at Wilsonville depot. Thursday Nov 19 - In Columbiana town (the county seat), and passed Shelby Springs. Friday Nov 20 - In Montavalo Town , in Bibb County Saturday Nov 21 - Forded Cohada River at Prats Ferry. Camped at Branchater Post to Tuscaloosa. Monday Nov 23 - In Tuscaloosa County Tuesday Nov 24 - Tuscaloosa Town, Crossed Tuscaloosa bridge on the Black Warrior River Wednesday Nov 25 - Pikage at the Sipang Turnpike, Pickens County Thursday Nov 26- Passed through Pickensville and forded the Tombigbee River, Mississippi, Noxube County Saturday Nov 28 - Macon, the county seat of Noxube, Mobile and Memphis R R. Camped in Noxube or Winston county. Rained Saturday night and Sunday Morning. Sunday Nov 29- In Louisville, the County seat Monday Nov 30 - Two miles from Louisville, camped in Attala County Tuesday Dec 1 - Toll bridge at Yockannakang, 1 and 1/2 miles from Kosciusko town, the county seat in Atttala county. Wednesday Dec 2 - Traveled through the Northwest corner of Leake County Thursday Dec 3 - Passed through Sharon, camped in Madison County Friday Dec 4 - In Canton, county seat of Madison. Rainy day and night. Traveled 14 miles Saturday Dec 6 - Hinds county , traveled 15 miles Monday Dec 7 - In Brownsville. Two new mule shoes put on. Rainy day and night. Traveled 10 miles Tuesday Dec 8 - Forded Big Black River, 75 cents per wagon, Camped in Warren County Thursday Dec 10 - Traveled 12 miles Friday Dec 11- In Vicksburg, Ferryage $5.00 to cross the Mississippi River. Entered Madison Parish , traveled 12 miles Saturday & Sunday Dec 12 & 13 - Camped on Wonnet Boi, traveled 19 miles Monday Dec 14 - Tensas River, 75 cents per wagon, traveled 11 miles Tuesday Dec 15 - Morning at Jas Bayou, 70 cents to cross. At Cow Bayou unloaded and toted over and got to Bayou Mason and camped. Two steam boats went up in the fore part of the night. Wednesday Dec 16 - Morning at Bayou Mason, Dearefield Post Office. Ferry 75cents - in Carroll Parish. Camped at big Creek. Traveled 9 or 10 miles. Thursday Dec 17 - Crossed the bridge, went throught he deep water, and at the bridge Sipers Bayou took out the team and folks and floated the wagons. By 35 minutes after 11 o'clock at Siper Creek rafted over on the raft and camped and had little for our stock to eat. Three wagons, 28 persons from Miss., 5 from Alabama came up on their trip from Alabama going to Texas. We traveled 4 miles Friday Dec 18 - Boeuf River at Cats Ferry - 70 cents per wagon to cross Saturday Dec 19- At Lake Lafush at Jons Ferry - 68 cents per wagon to cross - Morehouse Parish Sunday Dec 20 - Ouachita Parish - rained for part of the night Monday & Tuesday Dec 21 & 22 - In Monroe - Ferrage at the Ouachita at Trenton $1.42- traveled 15 miles Wednesday Dec 23 - Jackson Parish Thursday Dec 24 - Rain, hail, snow, got to meeting house. Ate dinner in a Methodist meeting house and camped in a house in the settlement of Brooklyn Post Office in Jackson Parish in the snow. Traveled 7 miles.
At 02:14 PM 7/1/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Harold >I imagine your people went through the Cumberland Gap into Tennessee. That >was the way most VA's got there at that time. >Pat several people have mentioned Cumberland Gap - and I did have family who moved from Holston River area, thru the Cumberland Gap, on the Cumberland River to Ft Nashborough NC - today Nashville TN. That was by Jun 1780. What I am talking about now is entirely different. Look at southern VA - Patrick Co is the one I am interested in but also Henry, Franklin, etc. They were far from Cumberland Gap, they are on the other side of mountains from eastern Tennessee, so they either had a gap over there they went thru, or they traveled down into NC, SC, maybe as far as GA to get past the mountains and then come into middle Tennessee in 1809. It must have been a land route because they mention leaving in the Spring so there would be good grass to feed their animals. It even says they used wagons, so it had to be a good - wide route....not just a trail you would walk. I just have not worked on the southern VA area before so I dont have maps of those mountains to know where they would have gone thru. If you have ever gone to the Smokey Mountain National Park - think about what they would have had to go thru. I think they must have either traveled north to a gap - such as maybe around Roanoake, or way south.....but then I dont know for sure. Thought maybe someone lived in the area and would know. Mary
In Search of JJ: My cousins and I have tried desperately to come up with a data trail leading to the discovery of the ancestors of our GGG Grandfather, John J. Ross (JJ), but have, so far, drawn a blank. So, we have decided to try another tack. All we know about JJ is that he was (allegedly) born in VA in 1898. He (allegedly) married in NC. His wife (our GGG Gm) was named Telitha (according to the 1850 census), and they settled in the middle of SC (Richland/Kershaw County) and raised a rather large family (all of whom we know of). Now, I doubt if Telitha was that common of a name, even in 1800, so, what we want all of you good, intelligent, helpful people to do is scratch your brains (and data bases) and see if you can find trail back from a Telitha Unknown (or, preferably, known, actually), who was born about 1800, married a guy named JJ Ross who was (apparently) passing through NC from VA on his way to SC. When you find this little gem-stone of information, please let one of us know. Now, we don't need anything in particular after JJ and Telitha got to central SC (to what became Blaney after the railroad went through) except for maybe where they are buried. Especially JJ. He was the pastor at the Harmony Baptist Church in Blaney for many years, but when he died, they apparently lost him. In fact, there are apparently no (known) records for anybody associated with the Harmony Church (and its predecessors, the 25 Mile Creek Baptist Church and Bear Creek Baptist Church) who died while a member until JJ's oldest daughter Nancy was buried there in 1891. Not good. Where ARE these people? I have looked high and low, personally 'stomped' all the cemeteries in the area (and, yes, I DID look in the Kershaw County Cemetery Survey books), talked to anybody who would listen (and quite a few who wouldn't) and came up totally empty. (A lot of people just want to look and feel superior, since they already KNOW where all their ancestors are.) I also talked to Furman University up in Greenville, and they are helping, but JJ is still M.I.A., and we still don't have a clue who his or Telitha's parents were. So, we throw ourselves on your mercy. PLEASE HELP US!! There are 20,000 people holding their breath out there waiting for us to find the 'Rosetta Stone' so we can 'Break the Code' and get over the 'Wall.' Bob Ross [email protected]
Hi - I know the headache you are talking about. After 20 years of researching a group of families which followed the migration you mention, my observations are (loosely, very loosely -- more "generalizations" than observations) *Related families settled south of the James, Lower Norfolk. When a combination of refusal to obey cousin Wm Berkeley's demand to observe church of England reached epidemic proportions, cousin Lord Baltimore (wife Anne Arundel is sister of the Howard family and cousins of the others) invited them to Maryland. *Majority of many families moved to what they founded as New Providence (Annapolis) 1648-49. But they kept Va ties with their brothers/cousins. *Every time a patriarch died in a family or the Indians got unruly when being chased out or big crops of tobacco failed or new lands opened up due to treaties with Indians, family groups moved again. Around time of French and Indian Wars and big Maryland crop failures, migration to the wild Carolinas (1750s) picked up to point where one can find references to the "steady" stream of wagons moving. They kept ties with their families back home, however. *Every time a restless Maryland family moved, the younger sons of Va cousins (and vice versa) joined them. *During time of Revolutionary War, the fall of big towns like Charleston, Augusta and Savannah, huge wagon trains set out to take women and children to safety. The huge Maryland/Va/NC/SC/GA extended families in the Gen. Elijah Cla(?rke group actually moved their women to saftely to the "Wataugua" Bttlement on Va/NC line (today around Bristol Va/Tenn???? I just learned of it-) That's why one finds a family with 3 children born in Ga/SC/Tenn in a three year period. *Many families, involved heavily in trade, apparently had different family members or partnerships at different points on river systems. For years I wondered why a family would apparently be in N.C. on the Yadkin and South Carolina on the Pee Dee at the same time, till I figured out it was the same river and was apparently the "interstate" of the Carolinas. I'll stop now. This was an attempt to say I love the info y'all are coming up with. Keep it up. You cut short a lot of the leg work I would have otherwise to do for my books! Sandra Taylor At 04:02 AM 7/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >Just a few quick questions for the bookkeeping re the info you sent. > > 1. George Jones- was that a comp or promo or did he pay by cash or check. George Jones is supposed to send check. He is the attorney for re-opening Reed's Chapel School. I called him yesterday, but he has not returned my call. You can send an invoice to him if you like. His address is P. O. Box C, Selma, AL 36702-0315 Phone: 334-874-6617 > 2. Could you send me the check numbers for people who paid by check? Glass, Sherrill - 1407 - $24.75 Ewell, Mary Steed - 1878 - $19.95 Jones, Linda - 2685 - $19.95 Keeton, Jane - 2584 - $19.95 Sentell, Johnny - 9237 - $19.95 MOWA checks: Gallasneed Weaver - 2763 - $100 Kathy Wilkerson - 2900 - $20 Myrle Chavers - 1145 - $20 Reva Lee Reed - 8843 - $40 Louise Everett - 5170 - $20 Thelma Frith - 3338 - $20 Leon Taylor - 7480 - $20 Mildred Webb - 238 - $20 Jewel Radcliffe - 139 $20 Lisa Weaver - 2137 - $20 > 3.On the MOWA Museum-Library- did they already pay, do we need to send them an invoice or are they on consignment- if on > consignment I need an address to send invoice stating pay on reorder. You need to send an invoice to the MOWA Museum-Library to the attention of Reva Lee Reed. I called her just now to double-check on the exact number we left with her. She will check at the museum and call me tomorrow. I left one box (54) , plus I had put 10 or 12 in the museum on that day and then when I left to go to Mobile to Books a Million, I left 6 with Frye Gaillard. He took them to museum and said he did not sell any. I will get back to you on this tomorrow when Reva calls me back. She says they are still selling like hotcakes! I have 5 books left. I had put one in my briefcase which I found today when I went to Samford. I looked at Cahaba & Greensboro newspapers today to see if any mention of OSS, but found nothing significant. Jackie ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> ><HTML><HEAD> ><META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> ><META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR> ><STYLE></STYLE> ></HEAD> ><BODY bgColor=#ffffff> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just a few quick questions for the bookkeeping re >the info you sent.</FONT></DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> 1. George Jones- was that a comp >or promo or did he pay by cash or check</FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> 2. Could you send me the >check numbers for people who paid by check?</FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> 3.On the MOWA Museum-Library- >did they already pay, do we need to send them an invoice or are they on >consignment- if on </FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> consignment I >need an address to send invoice stating pay on >reorder.I</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Miller <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 8:42 AM Subject: Southwest VA to TN 1809 > Help, I have a headace from looking at old maps for two days. > > Look at these counties in VA - Brunswick and Lunenburg, Pittsylvania, Henry, > Patrick. Moving from east to west - what was the route of migration? > > Someone in Patrick Co Va - what route would he take in 1809 to get to area > of Smith County TN? Smith Co Tn at that time was much larger- includes what > is now Dekalb, Cannon, etc. > > How did they get thru the mountains, did they go south to NC and then to TN? > > > Mary [email protected] > > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > If someone sends a warning about an email virus or asks you to send ANY > message to everybody you know, check out these site to see if it's for real: > IBM AntiVirus Home Page > http://www.av.ibm.com > McAfee: Virus Hoaxes > http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.asp > or one of these sites which are very good about virus and > chainletter hoaxes or myths: > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html > http://kumite.com/myths/myths/ > >
after I answered Jim, I thought maybe someone on the list might be able to help. I am trying to document an old 1936 article about a group who left Patrick Co Va in the spring of 1809 and arrived in Smith Co TN in July of that year. How did they get thru the mountains, did they connect at some point with the trail coming into eastern TN from Shenandoan Valley of VA? A lot of questions. mary At 05:57 AM 7/1/99 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/1/99 1:51:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > >> Smith Co Tn at that time was much larger- includes what >> is now Dekalb, Cannon, etc. > >Sorry I can't help you w/any info on the migration route. But I seem to have >read somewhere that, starting in 1808, the area now in Cannon Co was actually >part of Warren Co. In any event, I am very interested in the migration routes >into Warren Co at that time, so I wish you much, much luck in getting some >answers to your query! > >Best regards, Jim Brown Isaac Turney land was in Smith till 1830s, then it was Cannon. His father lived very close and his land was Smith till 1830s when it became Dekalb. They were near Liberty and Gassaway - in that area. Warren is SE of Cannon, so maybe you are talking about further south than I am. I think that the whole area was Smith at one time - in 1808, 1809. I think Macon Co also came out of Smith. Seems the time between the 1830 and 1840 census is when a lot of new counties were formed. I also think the migration routes into Warren might be similiar. What I am finding is this...... There is an article written in 1936 and is an account given by Sterline Spurlock Brown. He says he had heard his parents talking about the migration route. Indian Trail - "came from Kentucky into Tennessee through what is now Macon County by Red Boiling Springs to Lancaster where Temperance Hall, Dowell Town, and Liberty now are. From Liberty up Clear Fork to the Big Overall Spring. This was a good camping place and the Indians had bard shanties built to camp in. Their trail ran or went up the creek from the Big Spring to the Adamson branch then up the branch to the Lige Adamson cave. Then up the Long Hill where the Billy Bryant and Presley Adams farms now join. then on out Pla Ridgeand to the Half Acre Spring. There through Warren County, then Grunda County and over in Sequatchie Valley and on into Virginia..." This was route taken in July 1809 of a group from Patrick Co VA - - of course reading the above, this group would have come out of Patrick CO - thru???? - then Sequatchie County, Warren, etc. In reverse of what he said. The group settled around the Big Spring area. The names mentioned are: Jacob Adams SR Abe Overall Wells Adamson Zachariah Keaton Sam Fuson Isaac Turney seems they left Patrick Co VA in the spring when the grass would support feeding their animals. So would that be around April? Then they arrived in TN in July - so we are talking a trip of from 2-4 months approximate. Now how they got from Patrick Co VA to Sequatchie is what I am trying to find. Someone told me the route out of Patrick Co west was approximate highway 58. If so, they must have gone thru a cap in the mountains and picked up the route used by peopled coming thru Shenandoah Valley into eastern TN. That route I know. But we are talking about 1809, and I think they might have had a different way. So anything you find about from southern VA to Warren Co TN - let me know cause we are looking for same route. Thanks. Mary [email protected]
I am searching for a connection to the Captain Daniel Little Descendents Organization. Captain Little was my 6xG Grandfather. Bob Ross [email protected]
Help, I have a headace from looking at old maps for two days. Look at these counties in VA - Brunswick and Lunenburg, Pittsylvania, Henry, Patrick. Moving from east to west - what was the route of migration? Someone in Patrick Co Va - what route would he take in 1809 to get to area of Smith County TN? Smith Co Tn at that time was much larger- includes what is now Dekalb, Cannon, etc. How did they get thru the mountains, did they go south to NC and then to TN? Mary [email protected]
Please pardon me, folks, as I did not intend to post again. In case you do not have a place near home to purchase maps: This packet of maps I purchased, LA 1810 - 1920 = 11 maps. The "original" boundary lines are in black, but under the "original" name of the Parish in lite gray, are the names of what that original became. In one instance, ATTAKAPAS became, Vermilion, St. Mary, Iberia, St. Martin, and Lafayette Parishes. On the front of these maps is the following: Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Censuses by William Thorndale & William Dollarhide. These maps are part of a series for each state. For a list of all states now complete, send a SASE to: American Genealogical Lending Library P O Box 244 Bountiful, UT 84010 Gwen
Hi, Mic has a website http://www.barnettesbooks.com/ and when you write them, the folks who man the computers are very helpful. Good Luck, Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Stout <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 5:17 PM Subject: Re: MAPS Hi! Gwen, I think the store you mentioned may be Mic Barnette's. However, he has moved. He is now at the Antique Center of Texas which is at Loop 610 and I-10West. Of course I can't put my hands on my Houston Genealogical Forum membership book right now but perhaps you will get the correct address soon. Mic's shop at the Antique Center is often "unmanned" but everything is there for you to pick up and the staff is most helpful about getting you to the right booth. Ruth Stout [email protected] wrote: > On my next trip to Clayton, possibly next Sat., I will get the name of the > store, the address & phone number for all of you and send an email. > > Gwen > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb is Free! But Rootsweb is supported by volunteers and > contributions. Show your support and become a member. Click here > for more information: > http://www.rootsweb.com
Hello everyone, Made a call today and found out this about BARNETTE'S FAMILY TREE BOOKS (genealogy) 1. It moved to: Antique Market, 1001 W. Loop N. Houston, Tx 77055 2. Phone #: 713-684-4633 (his answering machine) 713-688-4211 (Antique Market and they will take messages and said he checks quite often for his messages) 3. E-MAIL: [email protected] Sorry, I could not retrieve any better information, but perhaps email him. I was trying to obtain a price list, but alias, he did not answer. I have had several emails from folks and the maps I purchased were only for a particular state and the counties back then. I do not know if they have any maps with just cemeteries listed......perhaps someone might know of a site online that might have such an item, if not, maybe it planted a thought for some one to accomplish such a feat. Good luck ! If I find any updated news, will let you know. Gwen
Gwyn, thanks for this info - always needing maps for clues as how our ancestors got here from there!! [email protected]
Hi! Gwen, I think the store you mentioned may be Mic Barnette's. However, he has moved. He is now at the Antique Center of Texas which is at Loop 610 and I-10West. Of course I can't put my hands on my Houston Genealogical Forum membership book right now but perhaps you will get the correct address soon. Mic's shop at the Antique Center is often "unmanned" but everything is there for you to pick up and the staff is most helpful about getting you to the right booth. Ruth Stout [email protected] wrote: > On my next trip to Clayton, possibly next Sat., I will get the name of the > store, the address & phone number for all of you and send an email. > > Gwen > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb is Free! But Rootsweb is supported by volunteers and > contributions. Show your support and become a member. Click here > for more information: > http://www.rootsweb.com
My family is said to have come from Roane County, Tennessee and migrated to Sevier County, Arkansas. Evidence suggests that they were in Illinois, Jasper County, Missouri and Dallas County, Texas before settling in Arkansas. Does anyone know of any migration routes in the mid to late 1800s that they would have traveled? One part of family history suggests that they traveled up the Red River.
On my next trip to Clayton, possibly next Sat., I will get the name of the store, the address & phone number for all of you and send an email. Gwen
Just wanted to let all of you know in reference to maps: A small genealogical store near the Clayton Library in Houston has "sets" of maps for different states. I have a set of maps for LA (ancestors from there) 1810 - 1920 and do not remember the price, but was not expensive. Also have a single map of the "Republic of Texas" 1836 - 1846 show counties, Indian nationalities, etc. These maps are distributed by: American Genealogical Lending Library P O Box 244 Bountiful, UT 84010 Hope this will help you! Gwen
don banks wrote: > Sue: > Does your announcement means that the site will have a name change to > "Happy-Trails-West? > > Best wishes to you and congratulations to your soon-to-be husband. > > Don Banks > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > If someone sends a warning about an email virus or asks you to send ANY > message to everybody you know, check out these site to see if it's for real: > IBM AntiVirus Home Page > http://www.av.ibm.com > McAfee: Virus Hoaxes > http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.asp > or one of these sites which are very good about virus and > chainletter hoaxes or myths: > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html > http://kumite.com/myths/myths/ No, even though I am moving to the northwest, and leaving my beloved South, and actually will be living quite near to the old Oregon trail, we will continue to focus on things South. I guess I am just continuing the tradition of moving on.... Thanks everyone for their kind wishes!
Sue: Does your announcement means that the site will have a name change to "Happy-Trails-West? Best wishes to you and congratulations to your soon-to-be husband. Don Banks
Hi, Bart, I'd like a copy of your journal too, as an attachment. Thanks, Lora
Southern-Trails listowner to migrate north for matrimonial reasons! Best Wishes, Sue! >From a list user - Karen Grubaugh
Hi, Bart, I'd like a copy of your journal too, as an attachment. Thanks, Jessie