Hello all, I was looking for a recipe & got side tracked when I saw a genealogy site & came across this site. I hope it helps someone.Back to the Jello recipe hunt. :) Have a great day everyone!! Susan <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/RoadTrails/roadtrai.html">Click here: Early American Roads and Trails </A> http://members.aol.com/RoadTrails/roadtrai.html

Hi, I am wondering if anyone knows where I could buy the book "History of Records for Orangeburg District, SC, 1768-1865". I tried Sistlers but they do not carry it. Thanks for any help. Bonnie

At 08:37 PM 7/14/99 +0200, you wrote: >This whole story is detailed in "The OverMountain Men." It was written by >Pat Alderman and originally published in 1970 and re-published in 1986. It >is available at Amazon.com. (at least it was when I bought my cy a couple >of months ago). > >Bob I just ordered this book and waiting every morning to see if it is here yet. Glad to hear it is a good book, thought it would be. And sounds like something I can use. I ordered mine from Sistler in TN. They have a lot of stuff I have found very well worth the money - such as index of early TN tax list, Tennessee land grants done in individual booklets by beginning letter of surname...so it does not cost an arm and a leg. They deal in TN, VA, KY, NC. Does anyone know of a good company that deals in early records - say 1740-1750 - for that area out of Philadelphia - would include Delaware, New Jersey, etc. I was looking in Maryland, but think I need to move east of Philadelphia. Since in 1752 they were in northern neck of VA, that was why I was looking in Maryland. Where did Swiss linen weavers go? Mary

Actually, on several places on the frontier at that time, groups were setting up their own governments. They were so far from the government on the east coast, under Indian attack, no army showing up to help....far from the tax collectors, etc. What is now Tennessee I think had 3 such groups, but it was not just in the south. The frontier of the north the same thing was happening. A lot of the original settlers at what is now Nashville came out of NC. My group was from the Holston River area. When they settled there they thought they were still in VA, but I am not sure it really mattered to them. they simply wanted help fighting off the Indians - if they had to pay taxes they demanded protection. My ancestor's brother was in that group "Lost State of Franklin". they not only had VA and NC wanting them, but they were dealing with the Spanish from the south and the French from the west. Remember, you either had people from Scotland, Ireland, Wales or German speaking people. Neither group felt any real connection to England. They were out there in small groups depending on each other, heck with the Governor back on the coast. Also, in VA, there was a state religion, most of these early frontier people were of a different relgion. they had to pay taxes for the state religion even though they did not belong to the VA church. So I think, and these are just my thoughts, that they really did not care if they were in VA or NC. They wanted the free land, and were very able to form their own governments. and they did. Thomas Jefferson wrote much of the Declaration of Independence, but other small groups had previously written similar documents, but for their own use. Jefferson knew about the people on the frontier, what they wanted, and he believed as did Washington and Franklin that there was real money to be made there. England telling us not to go beyond the mountains - the land belonged to the Indians - did not have much impact. If they were already breaking the King's rules, why not set up their own rules? Mary

This whole story is detailed in "The OverMountain Men." It was written by Pat Alderman and originally published in 1970 and re-published in 1986. It is available at Amazon.com. (at least it was when I bought my cy a couple of months ago). Bob

To Harold, Mary, Marlene, and "all others" Thanks for putting it all down in black and white for me! This confetti bowl of mixed up state information has almost driven me nutz! Jean

In a message dated 7/14/99 10:55:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] (Mary) writes: > 1780 land records on Cumberland River (today Nashville, TN) are found under NC records. < I don't doubt this at all. I do recall reading, however, that when Col. James Robertson and his fellow settlers first took up residence along the Cumberland at Ft. Nashboro ca. 1779, they thought they might be in Virginia. I think most of them were Virginians. So perhaps they were hoping to stay in their home state. Wonder when they figured out they were actually in North Carolina? Jim Brown ([email protected])

This mailing list has already been a great source of information for me, so I'm hoping that you can help me again. I try to track the movement of Dr. John Pryor Allison (1832-82) from AL or MS to Texas. He was born in Mooresville, AL in 1832. He served as a surgeon in a Mississippi regiment in the Confederate Army from 1860-61 and was discharged in Mississippi. By 1876 he was practicing medicine in Brownwood, TX. I can't fill in the missing years. His wife (Mary Waters Clive) was from Ohio and it appears that she was there during the war as one of their children was born in Ohio during that time. Dr. Allison may have gone from MS to Ohio to TX. At any rate, I'd be very grateful for any info that helps me fill in the missing years.

>This was sent to me and has put a different perspective on things for me. >. >Reference made to an individual having been born in Virginia as early as >1728 to as late as 1863 could indicate that he was born in: > >Any part of Illinois from 1781 to Illinois statehood in 1818 >Any part of Indiana from 1787 to Indiana statehood in 1816 >Any part of Kentucky from 1775 to Kentucky statehood in 1792 >Any part of Maryland from 1775 to Kentucky statehood in 1792 >Any part of North Carolina from 1728 to 1779 >Any part of Ohio from 1778 to Ohio Statehood in 1803 >Any part of Pennsylvania from 1752 to 1786 >Any part of Tennessee from 1760 to Ohio statehood in 1803 >All of West Virginia from 1769 to West Virginia statehood in 1863. > >I know the Mississippi Territory and the Louisiana Territory are as bad or >worse since they included much more than just MS and LA. > >Marlene > >

I deleted the message about the 1790 KY census- it has been recounstructed from tax lists....also, VA State Library has tax lists for the counties while they were part of VA. See if I can get this right. You begin with Botetourt Co in 1770 - would be southern part of present West VA, Kentucky, 2/3 of Indiana, almost all of Illinois (without the north-east tip), and even the very southwest corner of Wisconsin. This was all VA- Botetourt. Now Augusta Co VA was Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, the part of IL and IN not in Botetourt, northern WVA, etc. (also remember dispute between several colonies over western land) Fincastle Co VA was formed in 1772. 1777 Fincastel was split into 3 VA counties - Washington, Montgomery, and Kentucky. Now please, do not look at where Washington and Montgomery counties are now in VA - talking about a much larger area. Even part of eastern TN comes in there - such as Sullivan Co TN. They finally realized that part of that was NC, so Sullivan Co TN and all of present TN came to be NC. Back to Kentucky..... 1780 Kentucky Co was formed into Jefferson, Fayette, and Lincoln. As I said, VA state library has tax lists for these counties....Jefferson for 1789-1793, Fayette for 1787-1793, and Lincoln for 1787-1791. Out of Fayette Co in 1786 came Bourbon, and out of that in 1789 came Mason Jefferson Co VA had Nelson Co in 1785 Lincoln Co VA had in 1786 Madison and Mercer. So when KY became a state in June 1792 there were 9 counties which had been in Virginia. Does that help any? Anyway, tax records can be found on these first counties that were part of VA Hope I got it right. As far as TN goes.... By the way, my ancestor in 1774 on Holston River - found under Washington Co VA records (land near Bristol, TN today)......but his 1780 land records on Cumberland River (today Nashville, TN) are found under NC records. Mary [email protected]

Elizabeth Brown: Did you tell us the names of your ancestors who lived somewhere in VA, TN, NC? I will be glad to look them up in my census index. Kathryn

1790 was a year in which Ky, WVa were included in Va. But I believe no Federal Census exists for these counties in 1790. Jean jean mccoy wrote: > I only know that if you limit yourself to a "state" you may not be getting all > that you can find. Especially, Va, WVa, Ky, Tn, NC where the territory was > often just one big area, called by one name or the other. When I "forgot" > borders, I got further! For what it's worth! Jean > > Elizabeth Brown wrote: > > > I need help. I am trying to find where my ggggrandfather came from and I > > don't know where to look at where maps will show me whether he was from Va., > > Tn. or NC. > > One of his grandsons in an article said his father came from Palmyra. > > ANother article said he came from NC and a Bible record says he came from > > Va. His children lived in Dickson Co., Tn. > > I just found there's a Palmyra in Martin Co., NC. > > Then I would like to know what trail would likely have been taken from there > > to Tennessee. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > elizabeth > > > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to check out Heading South: the Southern Trails Resource Page > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~south1/trails1.htm > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to > [email protected] if you are subscribed to the list, > or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the digest. > In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe

I only know that if you limit yourself to a "state" you may not be getting all that you can find. Especially, Va, WVa, Ky, Tn, NC where the territory was often just one big area, called by one name or the other. When I "forgot" borders, I got further! For what it's worth! Jean Elizabeth Brown wrote: > I need help. I am trying to find where my ggggrandfather came from and I > don't know where to look at where maps will show me whether he was from Va., > Tn. or NC. > One of his grandsons in an article said his father came from Palmyra. > ANother article said he came from NC and a Bible record says he came from > Va. His children lived in Dickson Co., Tn. > I just found there's a Palmyra in Martin Co., NC. > Then I would like to know what trail would likely have been taken from there > to Tennessee. > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > elizabeth > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check out Heading South: the Southern Trails Resource Page > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~south1/trails1.htm

I need help. I am trying to find where my ggggrandfather came from and I don't know where to look at where maps will show me whether he was from Va., Tn. or NC. One of his grandsons in an article said his father came from Palmyra. ANother article said he came from NC and a Bible record says he came from Va. His children lived in Dickson Co., Tn. I just found there's a Palmyra in Martin Co., NC. Then I would like to know what trail would likely have been taken from there to Tennessee. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, elizabeth

Elizabeth, It would help if you put some parameters on who you are looking for and when. Otherwise, there is no starting point except a rough guess based on the fact that he lived about the same time MY GGG Gf did, and that was from about 1800 until 1870. Bob

Thanks Mary for the interest. I believe my great grandfather, WILLIAM DAVID PARKER, wife, Frances Chamberlain, their children and her parents left Russell Co. AL. in Nov or Dec 1957 or early 1858. I am basing this on papers signed when the property had been sold, statements from the Methodist Church & Masonic Lodge stating they were members in good standing. All dated middle of Nov 1857. The Parker's last child, Sarah, was born in April 1859 in LA. I do not have a birth certificate for Sarah, but this was on her death certificate. No place or parish was shown on the certificate. The Chamberlain family was located in Parker Co. on the 1860 census, but not the Parker family. Later, Frances & children were located in McCulloch Co., TX and Frances remarried in 1865 to Judge Thomas Keese. THE TIME FRAME would be from 1858 to 1860. Thanks for suggestions, info, crossed fingers, etc. anything that might help! Nita Parker Ryan [email protected]

Mary wrote the following: a nice lady on this list sent me maps of trails thru AL, and depending on the time, I might be able to tell you the route. Mary Mary --could you send the maps of Alabama trails or refer me to a website? I'm looking for possible routes from North Carolina to Barbour County, Al. about 1830. Family tradition said Wake County, N.C. but recent documents point to Anson County, N.C. Any help appreciated. Jim Reeder Stuart, Fl. rt, Fl.

I checked this out as it was sent to me by a person on another mail list: Looks very promising for genealogy - maybe something new for all of us.. <A HREF="http://home.snap.com/main/channel/item/0,4,-8889,00.html?st.sn.fdts.0.cp -8889">Snap:Living:Genealogy:Your Family Tree </A> If you will put your cursor on the link, it will show the web site address. Gwen

At 01:08 PM 7/12/99 EDT, you wrote: >Lyn, I read the article you sent toSouthern-Trails and found it very >interesting. My great grandfather, PARKER, WILLIAM D., came to TX about the >same time. However, he started from Russell Co. AL.. If this was a regular >trail they could have gone north then west. Family (had-me-down) info states >he died in Monroe Co.,AL and I have searched that area with no luck -perhaps >it was Monroe Co. LA. I wonder if Ferry boat records were kept and if so, >would still be available? Do you know of any source for this info. Thanks. >Nita Parker Ryan [email protected] Nita - what years would you be talking about? I ask cause a nice lady on this list sent me maps of trails thru AL, and depending on the time, I might be able to tell you the route. Mary

Lyn, I read the article you sent toSouthern-Trails and found it very interesting. My great grandfather, PARKER, WILLIAM D., came to TX about the same time. However, he started from Russell Co. AL.. If this was a regular trail they could have gone north then west. Family (had-me-down) info states he died in Monroe Co.,AL and I have searched that area with no luck -perhaps it was Monroe Co. LA. I wonder if Ferry boat records were kept and if so, would still be available? Do you know of any source for this info. Thanks. Nita Parker Ryan [email protected]