In a message dated 8/11/99 9:40:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ken Hodge, via Josephine Lindsay Bass, writes: > I don't see enough about the War of 1812 which was an extension of the Rev > War. Anybody interested in the War of 1812 (and/or the Creek War) ought to subscribe to the Rootsweb mailing list on the subject. Just send the standard "subscribe" (without the quotes) to: [email protected] It's not so active as this great Southern Trails list, but maybe some new blood would help! Rgds, Jim Brown ([email protected])

In a message dated 8/11/99 9:44:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Okay, anyone live near King's Mountain or been there? My husband said just the two of us are going to take a week's vacation and I can pick the spot. Would this be a good place to go? Another question, in doing early NC research, where is the best library with the best collection? By the way - talking about Jamestown, etc. I was stationed near that area for three years while in the Navy and it was wonderful. Williamsburg is something everyone should see, as well as all the rest of the sites in that area. You could spend 3 weeks there and not see everything. And I understand it is even better today than when I was there. Also all the beautiful old mansions like Carter's Grove. Fredericksburg was one of my favorite places - maybe cause there was REv War and Civil War stuff. Yorktown back then was not so much, but I loved it anyway. Being in a place and seeing what our ancestors saw, the lay of the land, nothing beats it. >> Oh! I love the chat on this list. My grandmother lives in the Yorktown area so I know all about Williamsburg and Jamestown. Been to a lot of those places. That's where we were going when we went up I-85 past King's Mountain. I have not been to King's Mountain. I have just been by it on the interstate. North Carolina is a wonderful place anyway. It might be a nice place to go. The history sounds very interesting.

Okay, anyone live near King's Mountain or been there? My husband said just the two of us are going to take a week's vacation and I can pick the spot. Would this be a good place to go? Another question, in doing early NC research, where is the best library with the best collection? By the way - talking about Jamestown, etc. I was stationed near that area for three years while in the Navy and it was wonderful. Williamsburg is something everyone should see, as well as all the rest of the sites in that area. You could spend 3 weeks there and not see everything. And I understand it is even better today than when I was there. Also all the beautiful old mansions like Carter's Grove. Fredericksburg was one of my favorite places - maybe cause there was REv War and Civil War stuff. Yorktown back then was not so much, but I loved it anyway. Being in a place and seeing what our ancestors saw, the lay of the land, nothing beats it. Mary >From: [email protected] > ><< I have just begun to read about the Battle of King's Mountain......and this > is a great story. I never heard of it until I got into searching for my > family. This was a great battle - and it begins to look to me it had an > effect on why Cornwallis surrendered - plus a little thing like being > surrounded from the land by Washington and from the sea by the French fleet, > and his own fleet taking off. .... Okay, there were several factors, but it > sure seems King's Mountain has to be considered. >> > >King's Mountain is a pretty place, and I don't remember learning about it in >history class either. In fact, there is also a place not too far from there >in South Carolina called Cowpen's. Both of these places I learned about >through travel. They are both right off I-85. > >

In a message dated 8/10/99 8:13:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << I have just begun to read about the Battle of King's Mountain......and this is a great story. I never heard of it until I got into searching for my family. This was a great battle - and it begins to look to me it had an effect on why Cornwallis surrendered - plus a little thing like being surrounded from the land by Washington and from the sea by the French fleet, and his own fleet taking off. .... Okay, there were several factors, but it sure seems King's Mountain has to be considered. >> King's Mountain is a pretty place, and I don't remember learning about it in history class either. In fact, there is also a place not too far from there in South Carolina called Cowpen's. Both of these places I learned about through travel. They are both right off I-85.

There is one book written by Joseph Plum Martin that gives us an accurate description of what it was like to be just another body in service to the Colonies. If I'm not mistaken, about Valley Forge his recollection was that he'd had nothing to eat for three days other than a piece of rotten pumpkin. Regards, Joy

Mary, you are so right, it is Scary. "my daughter about it, she is going to be a history teacher, and she had never heard about it. That is kind of scary." Charleston fell to the British - my gggf Lt. Nathaniel McCants was captured in the battle and imprisoned on British ship - he survived. Below you see where the Britts captured Savannah. The last great Battle to wrest the country from the Britts was the Battle of New Orleans, LA 1814. My gf James Harrison enlisted in Huntsville, AL. (originally VA). Also, my gf David Scott McCants of E. Feliciana Parish, LA. (originally SC), he was son of Nathaniel above. I don't see enough about the War of 1812 which was an extension of the Rev War. Courtesy of Ken in Orlando History of GA 1732 King George II granted a charter to establish the Georgia Colony. (named for him) 1733 James Oglethorpe brought the first 120 English settlers to Savannah 1754 Georgia became a British royal province 1778 British troops captured Savannah during the RW. Driven out in 1782 1788 Georgia ratified the US Constitution and became the fourth state 1838 The last Indians (Cherokee) were forced to leave (this is when all of Georgia was settled) 1861 Georgia seceded from the Union 1870 Georgia was readmitted My wife's ancestor John Musgrove arrived with Oglethorpe in 1733 and married Cousaponakeesa (Creek Indian), later known as Mary Musgrove.

[email protected] wrote: > > If you want to research the Civil War in the West, you should begin with > "The Official Records of the War of Rebellion," commonly abbreviated as > "the OR's." That will keep one busy for quite some time. The next step > would be use of the four-volume series titles "Battles and Leaders." > Those are available in paperback. > > While the Union perspective, nor the AoT, nor the Army of the Trans > Mississippi are not my areas of interest, a search of the catalogs for > recently published books on Civil War history will reveal more recent > worthwhile books written about those aspects of that War than about the > ANV. > > As far as black migration to the West, that area has probably not been > explored due to limited, and scattered, or poorly cataloged, source > documentation and limited reader interest > > As far as women are concerned, you might try a search for some of the > following, which are just a few of the titles in my library: > > "101 Virginia Women Writers" > "A Share of Honor: Virginia Women 1600-1945" > "Idols, Victims, Pioneers: Virginia's Women from 1607" > "Documenting Women's Lives: A Users Guide to Manuscripts at the Virginia > Historical Society" > "Women of the South In War Times" > "Valor and Lace: The Roles of Confederate Women 1861-1865" > "Ersatz in the Confederacy: Shortages and Substitutes on the Southern > Homefront" > "Confederate Women" > "Women of the Civil War" (was "Bonnet Brigade") > "Heroines of Dixie" > Ladies of Richmond" > "Noble Women of the North" > "Women of Gettysburg" > "Richmond During the War: Four Years of Personal Observation" > "The Women of the Confederacy" > "Heroines of Dixie: Spring of High Hopes" > "Heroines of Dixie: Winter of Discontent" > "Belles, Beaux and Brains of the 60's" > "Hearts of Fire: Soldier Women of the Civil War" > "Trials and Triumphs: The Women of the American Civil War" > "The Edge of the South: Life in Nineteenth-Century Virginia" > "White Society in the Antebellum South" > "The Plantation Mistress" > "A Woman's War: Southern Women, Civil War, and the Confederate Legacy" > "The Southern Lady From Pedestal to Politics, 1830-1930" > "Motherhood in the Old South: Pregnancy, Childbirth, and Infant Rearing" > "Mothers of Invention: Women of the Slaveholding South in the American > Civil War" > "The Woman's War in the South: Recollections and Reflections of the > American Civil War" > "Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia" > "Women's Diaries of the Westward Journey" > > Happy Reading! Annette Elam Wetzel > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Harold Miller <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > >Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 12:27 AM > >Subject: History books > > >>also a war fought in the "west" - places like MO, Kansas, Arkansas, > Arizona. > >>Finding that in the history books is difficult. Also, the men from the > west > >>were fighting against U.S. Grant at Shilo, Vicksburg, etc. He had to > beat > >>them before he was noticed by the powers that be, and sent against Lee. > > >>Another one of my gripes.....what about women in the history books? > > >>Or what about the colored troops who fought and died in 1860-1865? > >>or the early black immigration to the west? > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Please remember that real people read the messages you post. > Got a problem? Got a gripe? Don't take it to the list! > Send me a message, and I'll try to take care of it: > mailto:[email protected] Someone was seeking information on the migration of Blacks to the West. I checked on three references last night. There are many references in the library such as Black History,Author, Benjamin Quarles; "Black Texans: A History of African Americans in Texas 1528-1995" p. 3-5, 7, 8-12 by Alwyn Barr; "Black Slaveowners: Free Black Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860" by Larry Koger Chapter 2; and "From Slavery to Freedom",(7th Edition) by John Hope franklin and Alfred A. Moss. These material resources are only a few. I strongly urge you to check the library. Blacks are interested in reading Black History.

Hi - Have to put my two cents worth in, as this has long been a pet peeve. To the victor go the spoils -- and in this case, history since the civil war has been written by the victor. No where is this more obvious than when researching Jamestown history. Why do we think not of Jamestown but of Pilgrims two decades later when referring to first settlement of America. Hopefully, there will be a big enough birthday in 2007 to overcome this. Sandra Taylor author-IN-PROGRESS-of-Nation-Of-Kings, non-fiction "novel" on settlers of Jamestown. (If you have any anecdotes on your ancestors who were among Jamestown settlers, I'd love to have them) Harold Miller wrote: > At 11:49 PM 8/9/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I have wondered why NE Colonies seem to get huge boost in History > text > >books whereas Virginia and SC hardly get a mention even about their > Rev War > >participation. > > > >Wasn't JAMESTOWN before PLYMOUTH COLONY? > > > >I can only speculate that NE and US govt write the text books. > > > >josie > > well Josie......try working on Civil War history. All you see is > Robert E. > Lee and the Army of Virginia. They might have been the best, but > there was > also a war fought in the "west" - places like MO, Kansas, Arkansas, > Arizona. > Finding that in the history books is difficult. Also, the men from > the west > were fighting against U.S. Grant at Shilo, Vicksburg, etc. He had to > beat > them before he was noticed by the powers that be, and sent against > Lee. > > Another one of my gripes.....what about women in the history books? > You see > Daniel Boone, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson.....always men. > > Or what about the colored troops who fought and died in 1860-1865? or > the > early black immigration to the west? > > I guess I could go on, just as long as we know not everyone made it > into the > history books. That is probably why we are all searching for our > family > roots, cause they are not in the history books. That does not make > our > ancestors any less important, just un-recorded heros. > > Mary > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to > [email protected] if you are subscribed to the > list, > or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the > digest. > In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe

In a message dated 8/11/99 1:22:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jan Garland writes: > Does anyone know where I could find the records of people and events at > Ft. Stephens and Ft. Stoddart, in what is now AL, but was the MS Terr. > @1800? If my memory serves correctly, these two forts, along with Fort Mims, were pivotal in the Creek War (a theater of the War of 1812) and the events immediately prior. "Records" as strictly defined are probably divided among the Mississippi Department of Archives in Jackson, the Alabama Department of Archives in Montgomery, and the National Archives in Washington. If you know the names of individual soldiers or militiamen involved, the pension files in the National Archives are especially helpful for any veterans who survived (as did my GGGgrandfather) into the 1850s. But, in order to gain basic orientation, one should probably go first to general historical works. Two I recommend are "The Old Southwest, 1795-1830," by Thomas D. Clark and John D. W. Guice, and "Struggle for the Gulf Borderlands," by Frank L. Owsley, Jr. (If you can't find these books in your local library, you might want to visit <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com">Amazon.com</A> or another on-line seller and check their prices.) If you want more info than these two books provide, you can follow up on some of the many, many bibliographic references therein. Other general sources include the standard histories of Alabama, the biographies of Andrew Jackson, the collected papers of Andrew Jackson (published in a set of about ten volumes), and the various histories -- in addition to Owsley's book -- of the War of 1812 and/or the Creek War. Rgds, Jim Brown ([email protected])

Hi everyone, I'm going to jump in with a question. Does anyone know where I can get the story of the Battle of Colson's Mill that took place in Montgomery Co., NC during the Rev. War? Thanks, Cory

In a message dated 8/11/99 1:22:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Too bad the powers that be that wrote the histories didn't > realize how important all these plain folks were. Hi Shadow: I would say you ought to get a hold of the great classic book, "Plain Folk of the Old South," by Frank Owsley. It dates from the 1940's, although a paperback revision came out in the 1980's. (My county library has the original hardcover first edition. I haven't seen the 1980's version.) This book shows that it is possible, and very worthwhile, to write a first-rate cultural history of "plain folk", and it dispels many of the myths, such as those perpetrated by Frederick Law Olmsted and Al Capp, about Southern uncouthness. It is -- in my never to be humble opinion -- something that should not be ignored by any serious student of Southern genealogy. (Ditto, of course, for "Albion's Seed" and "Cracker Culture," both of which owe much to Owsley's pioneering work.) Rgds, Jim Brown ([email protected])

For books/articles on Women's History check out this site. They have a large and varied selection. http://www.nwhp-catalog.org/ Judy

Mary Draper Ingles was 23 years old when she was captured by the Shawnee near Blacksburg, VA, July 30, 1755, along with her sister, her one and three year old sons Thomas and George and some others. She was with the Indians until around mid-October, 1755, when she managed to elude them. She required approximately 45 days to find her way back to Virginia. Her son, John Ingles, wrote down Mary's story, and it has been made into the outdoor drama, "The Long Way Home," performed during the summer in Radford, VA. I believe the title of John Ingles book was something like "The Story of Mary Draper Ingles and son Thomas Ingles," ed. by Roberta Ingles Steele and Andrew Louis Ingles, published by Radford College and the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1969. Other books may have been written about this famous incident. Annette Elam Wetzel On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:52:18 +0000 Harold Miller <[email protected]> writes: >Speaking of books....can anyone tell me the name of the book about the woman >captured by Indians at Draper Meadows who later escaped, in her old age she >told her story. I cannot remember if she was a Draper or an Ingles. this >was early on frontier of VA. I read it a long time ago, would like to read >it again. Does anyone know the book I am talking about? Mary

Mary, The Battle of Kings Mountain is well known in my area of SC (or at least I thought it was). I have a brochure on it somewhere. Have to find it. Are you familiar with the Battle of NInety Six? I have an article on it also. You can read a little about it on my website below (1st one). Joye <[email protected]> (Support Rootsweb! We need them!) http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Enterprises/8721/ Greenwood & Other SC Counties! http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/jmcmanus/jmcmanus.htm McManus, Horn, Harling, Hasting, Stroud, Polattie, Cannon, Gray, Bagwell, Mote, Woodall, Ferguson, Lister, Moore, Barton, Barrett, Easley, Gowan, Grogan ancestry. -----Original Message----- From: Harold Miller <[email protected]> Subject: Never learned it in history class I have just begun to read about the Battle of King's Mountain......and this is a great story. I never heard of it until I got into searching for my family. This was a great battle - and it begins to look to me it had an effect on why Cornwallis surrendered - plus a little thing like being surrounded from the land by Washington and from the sea by the French fleet, and his own fleet taking off. .... Okay, there were several factors, but it sure seems King's Mountain has to be considered. I said something to my daughter about it, she is going to be a history teacher, and she had never heard about it. That is kind of scary. Speaking of books....can anyone tell me the name of the book about the woman captured by Indians at Draper Meadows who later escaped, in her old age she told her story. I cannot remember if she was a Draper or an Ingles. this was early on frontier of VA. I read it a long time ago, would like to read it again. Does anyone know the book I am talking about? Mary ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to [email protected] if you are subscribed to the list, or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the digest. In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe

The novel asked about is called Follow the River, author is James Alexander Thom. It tells the true story of Mary Draper Ingles who was captured on the Blue Ridge of Virginia and carried off by the Shawnee in 1755. They took her to the approximate site of present-day Cincinnati. She managed to escape and return home on foot, over the mountains.

If you want to research the Civil War in the West, you should begin with "The Official Records of the War of Rebellion," commonly abbreviated as "the OR's." That will keep one busy for quite some time. The next step would be use of the four-volume series titles "Battles and Leaders." Those are available in paperback. While the Union perspective, nor the AoT, nor the Army of the Trans Mississippi are not my areas of interest, a search of the catalogs for recently published books on Civil War history will reveal more recent worthwhile books written about those aspects of that War than about the ANV. As far as black migration to the West, that area has probably not been explored due to limited, and scattered, or poorly cataloged, source documentation and limited reader interest As far as women are concerned, you might try a search for some of the following, which are just a few of the titles in my library: "101 Virginia Women Writers" "A Share of Honor: Virginia Women 1600-1945" "Idols, Victims, Pioneers: Virginia's Women from 1607" "Documenting Women's Lives: A Users Guide to Manuscripts at the Virginia Historical Society" "Women of the South In War Times" "Valor and Lace: The Roles of Confederate Women 1861-1865" "Ersatz in the Confederacy: Shortages and Substitutes on the Southern Homefront" "Confederate Women" "Women of the Civil War" (was "Bonnet Brigade") "Heroines of Dixie" Ladies of Richmond" "Noble Women of the North" "Women of Gettysburg" "Richmond During the War: Four Years of Personal Observation" "The Women of the Confederacy" "Heroines of Dixie: Spring of High Hopes" "Heroines of Dixie: Winter of Discontent" "Belles, Beaux and Brains of the 60's" "Hearts of Fire: Soldier Women of the Civil War" "Trials and Triumphs: The Women of the American Civil War" "The Edge of the South: Life in Nineteenth-Century Virginia" "White Society in the Antebellum South" "The Plantation Mistress" "A Woman's War: Southern Women, Civil War, and the Confederate Legacy" "The Southern Lady From Pedestal to Politics, 1830-1930" "Motherhood in the Old South: Pregnancy, Childbirth, and Infant Rearing" "Mothers of Invention: Women of the Slaveholding South in the American Civil War" "The Woman's War in the South: Recollections and Reflections of the American Civil War" "Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia" "Women's Diaries of the Westward Journey" Happy Reading! Annette Elam Wetzel >-----Original Message----- >From: Harold Miller <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 12:27 AM >Subject: History books >>also a war fought in the "west" - places like MO, Kansas, Arkansas, Arizona. >>Finding that in the history books is difficult. Also, the men from the west >>were fighting against U.S. Grant at Shilo, Vicksburg, etc. He had to beat >>them before he was noticed by the powers that be, and sent against Lee. >>Another one of my gripes.....what about women in the history books? >>Or what about the colored troops who fought and died in 1860-1865? >>or the early black immigration to the west?

Hi Does anyone know where I could find the records of people and events at Ft. Stephens and Ft. Stoddart, in what is now AL, but was the MS Terr. @1800? Thanks Jan

For those wanting to read a social history of pre-Revolutionary War Virginia and the Carolinas there is a very good book if you can locate a copy---I had the paperback about thirty years ago and haven't seen this title recently so it may be out of print. The author is Bridenbaugh and as I recall (I am going from memory) the title was something like Myths and Realities of the Colonial South. If you can find a copy, possibly from a used book dealer, reading the book will be worth the trouble of locating it. Nora Tocus

I have just begun to read about the Battle of King's Mountain......and this is a great story. I never heard of it until I got into searching for my family. This was a great battle - and it begins to look to me it had an effect on why Cornwallis surrendered - plus a little thing like being surrounded from the land by Washington and from the sea by the French fleet, and his own fleet taking off. .... Okay, there were several factors, but it sure seems King's Mountain has to be considered. I said something to my daughter about it, she is going to be a history teacher, and she had never heard about it. That is kind of scary. Speaking of books....can anyone tell me the name of the book about the woman captured by Indians at Draper Meadows who later escaped, in her old age she told her story. I cannot remember if she was a Draper or an Ingles. this was early on frontier of VA. I read it a long time ago, would like to read it again. Does anyone know the book I am talking about? Mary

Good for you Mary! I agree our ancestors are what history is all about. Too bad the powers that be that wrote the histories didn't realize how important all these plain folks were. Shadow -----Original Message----- From: Harold Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 12:27 AM Subject: History books >At 11:49 PM 8/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >>I have wondered why NE Colonies seem to get huge boost in History text >>books whereas Virginia and SC hardly get a mention even about their Rev War >>participation. >> >>Wasn't JAMESTOWN before PLYMOUTH COLONY? >> >>I can only speculate that NE and US govt write the text books. >> >>josie > > >well Josie......try working on Civil War history. All you see is Robert E. >Lee and the Army of Virginia. They might have been the best, but there was >also a war fought in the "west" - places like MO, Kansas, Arkansas, Arizona. >Finding that in the history books is difficult. Also, the men from the west >were fighting against U.S. Grant at Shilo, Vicksburg, etc. He had to beat >them before he was noticed by the powers that be, and sent against Lee. > >Another one of my gripes.....what about women in the history books? You see >Daniel Boone, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson.....always men. > >Or what about the colored troops who fought and died in 1860-1865? or the >early black immigration to the west? > >I guess I could go on, just as long as we know not everyone made it into the >history books. That is probably why we are all searching for our family >roots, cause they are not in the history books. That does not make our >ancestors any less important, just un-recorded heros. > >Mary > > >==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to >[email protected] if you are subscribed to the list, >or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the digest. >In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe >