--part1_efda29eb.24f19962_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FOUND THIS "CLARIFICATION" ON MY EMAILS TODAY: << I received about a dozen e-mails this morning all asking the same question so I know that I was not clear in my post yesterday. If you forwarded my message about the WWI draft cards being at the GA NARA branch will you please also forward this message? The original draft card applications (registrations) for every state (the entire US) are at East Pointe. According to the Archive Staff there are no plans to split these cards and move any of them to any other NARA location since East Pointe has been charged with the "custody" of these records. It is only the original cards that are in state / county / alpha order. Someone posted a message to one of the lists that NARA was planning on re-filming the cards since they are now in state / county / alpha order. If such a thing is underway it is unknown to the East Pointe archive staff and they should know if such a thing was in the works. If you request a copy of your ancestor's draft card from any NARA branch other than this one they will be searching the LDS microfilm and you will have to know the state and draft board for them to make a copy. It is only at the East Pointe location that you can request a copy by state and then county and the copy will be made from the ORIGINAL card. If I'm still unclear please let me know. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager >> --part1_efda29eb.24f19962_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (rly-yb02.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.2]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:14:44 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (v60.25) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:14:15 -0400 Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18639; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:10:27 -0500 From: "J. E. Leonard" <[email protected]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) Old-To: Agee <[email protected]>, Black Family <[email protected]>, Bruce <[email protected]>, Burton <[email protected]>, Carter <[email protected]>, Chesney <[email protected]>, Early <[email protected]>, Gunn <[email protected]>, Hall <[email protected]>, Hunt Family <[email protected]>, Leonard <[email protected]>, McClendon <[email protected]>, Price <[email protected]>, Skipper <[email protected]> Old-Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7" Subject: [LEONARD-L] [Fwd: [WHITE] WWI Draft Cards - clarification] Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/870 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail3.bellsouth.net (mail3.bellsouth.net [205.152.32.6]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17813 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by mail3.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14048; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05476; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:44:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <[email protected]> Old-To: "White List" <[email protected]>, "USGenWeb SW List" <[email protected]>, "USGenWeb Discuss List" <[email protected]>, "USGenWeb CC L List" <[email protected]>, "USGenWeb All List" <[email protected]>, "Tulsa List" <[email protected]>, "OkRoots List" <[email protected]>, "OKGen List" <[email protected]>, "NC Wash List" <[email protected]>, "NC List" <[email protected]>, "Marion Co AR List" <[email protected]>, "List Owners" <[email protected]>, "Hass List" <[email protected]>, "Haas List" <[email protected]>, "GenMed List" <[email protected]>, "Davenport List" <[email protected]>, "CCHelper" <[email protected]>, "ARK List" <[email protected]V.INDIANA.EDU> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:10:47 -0400 Message-ID: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: [WHITE] WWI Draft Cards - clarification Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/2941 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] I received about a dozen e-mails this morning all asking the same question so I know that I was not clear in my post yesterday. If you forwarded my message about the WWI draft cards being at the GA NARA branch will you please also forward this message? The original draft card applications (registrations) for every state (the entire US) are at East Pointe. According to the Archive Staff there are no plans to split these cards and move any of them to any other NARA location since East Pointe has been charged with the "custody" of these records. It is only the original cards that are in state / county / alpha order. Someone posted a message to one of the lists that NARA was planning on re-filming the cards since they are now in state / county / alpha order. If such a thing is underway it is unknown to the East Pointe archive staff and they should know if such a thing was in the works. If you request a copy of your ancestor's draft card from any NARA branch other than this one they will be searching the LDS microfilm and you will have to know the state and draft board for them to make a copy. It is only at the East Pointe location that you can request a copy by state and then county and the copy will be made from the ORIGINAL card. If I'm still unclear please let me know. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ..........................WHITE MAILING LIST........................... TO UNSUBSCRIBE: [email protected] AND THEN PUT ONLY THE WORD UNSUBSCRIBE IN THE BODY. YOUR REQUEST IS THEN PROCESSED AUTOMATICALLY SO PLEASE BE SURE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT APPEARS IN THE BODY. EVEN A SIGNATURE FILE IS GOING TO CAUSE THE MESSAGE TO FAIL. THANK YOU! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7-- ==== LEONARD Mailing List ==== Found a good resource lately? 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Recently there have been several messages at this site concerning Revolutionary War battles in the south - particularly King's Mountain. There is a new book that those of you who are interested in the battles at King's Mountain, Cowpens, and Guilford Courthouse might want to read. a.. The Yelling Boys: A Story of the America Revolution in the South by Russell Sorrells; Professional Press, (317 pgs.) Don Banks

All of the Mississippi Counties in the GenWeb Project have these persons listed by county. It is in the MSGenWeb Archives . . . . . . . Ginny Walker English CC MSGenWeb Stone, Perry & Forrest Counties http://www.rootsweb.com/~msforres/index.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~msperry/index.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~msstone/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 8:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: GWEN:> > > > Fwd: WWI Draft Cards --part1_7134f96d.24f01d9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought all of you would be interested in this...........Gwen << Good Morning everyone: I played hooky from work yesterday and spent the day at the NARA Branch in Atlanta and it jogged my memory to pass on some information to everyone. Prior to the US's entry into WW1 (approx. 1917-1918) every male between the age of 18 and 40 was required to register for the draft. The information found on the card was provided by the individual himself. The registration cards vary in information depending on the individual draft board. But by and large the cards include: The full name of the person (this means first, full middle name, any additional middle names and last name); the current address of the man; his age; his birthdate (some include his place of birth); whether he is a US citizen or a naturalized citizen (some ask if his father was a naturalized citizen and his father's race); his race; his occupation; where he is employed (name of employer); address or location of employment; name and address of his next of kin; some cards ask if the man is married or single and how many people he supports. The card is signed by the draftee. On the back of the card his physical description is noted: Height is broken down by short, medium, tall although some cards give the actual height in feet and inches; Build by slim, medium, stout although some cards list actual weight along with the build; color of eyes and hair; any deformities or injuries are listed (such as one arm missing, blind in one eye, etc); the name and address of the draft board and the date. When these original cards were transferred to the East Pointe NARA branch the LDS spent about 3 years microfilming these cards. There are hundreds and hundreds of boxes and the LDS opened one box at a time and filmed them - in state order. However, within each state the cards were filed by draft board, not by county or by draftee. This makes the searching of the microfilm difficult to say the least. The good news is that the Friends of the National Archives took each box after it was filmed (and checked) and sorted all of these thousands and thousands of cards into - state and then COUNTY order and then in alphabetical order by surname and put then in new boxes. The Friends deserve all the kudos we can give them for this monstrous task. So ... rather than spending hours and hours searching the LDS microfilm you can order copies of the original cards from NARA. if you know the county your ancestor lived in between 1917-1918. And BTW - Ancestry.com lists WW1 Draft cards in their searchable data bases, however I know for a fact that there are 22 cards for the surname WHITE found in McIntosh Co, OK and Ancestry only gave me 4 of them so don't depend on that site. I was told yesterday that some reps from Ancestry had visited the archives a couple of weeks ago to talk about filming the cards, took one look at the hundreds and hundreds of boxes and simply left. For copies: Send a letter requesting copy(s) to: NARA Southeast Region 1557 St. Joseph Ave East Point, GA 30344 In your letter be sure to say you want copy(s) of the WWI Draft application Cards. Include the name of your ancestor and his race, the state and the county. If you want copies of ALL of the cards with a given surname, ask them the cost of the copies and send a SASE for them to let you know the copying cost. In your letter be sure and say you want a copy of the FRONT and BACK of the card. Be sure to send a SASE for the return of you copies. The cost for the copy is 50 cents - 25 cents for the back and 25 cents for the front. If you only want one copy send a buck and say the difference is to be given to the Friends of the Archives, because after all they did all this wonderful hard work for you <VBG> If you have any other questions about the cards please write to me and I'll try to help. I've been "delving" into these cards for the past few years. But PLEASE don't ask me to get the copies for you. It is difficult for me to take the time off from work to visit the archive to do my own research <g>. And feel free to pass this on to any of the lists you are on. >> --part1_7134f96d.24f01d9f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:47:54 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v60.25) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:47:39 -0400 Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15225; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:43:44 EDT Subject: WWI Draft Cards Old-To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/4654 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Good Morning everyone: I played hooky from work yesterday and spent the day at the NARA Branch in Atlanta and it jogged my memory to pass on some information to everyone. Prior to the US's entry into WW1 (approx. 1917-1918) every male between the age of 18 and 40 was required to register for the draft. The information found on the card was provided by the individual himself. The registration cards vary in information depending on the individual draft board. But by and large the cards include: The full name of the person (this means first, full middle name, any additional middle names and last name); the current address of the man; his age; his birthdate (some include his place of birth); whether he is a US citizen or a naturalized citizen (some ask if his father was a naturalized citizen and his father's race); his race; his occupation; where he is employed (name of employer); address or location of employment; name and address of his next of kin; some cards ask if the man is married or single and how many people he supports. The card is signed by the draftee. On the back of the card his physical description is noted: Height is broken down by short, medium, tall although some cards give the actual height in feet and inches; Build by slim, medium, stout although some cards list actual weight along with the build; color of eyes and hair; any deformities or injuries are listed (such as one arm missing, blind in one eye, etc); the name and address of the draft board and the date. When these original cards were transferred to the East Pointe NARA branch the LDS spent about 3 years microfilming these cards. There are hundreds and hundreds of boxes and the LDS opened one box at a time and filmed them - in state order. However, within each state the cards were filed by draft board, not by county or by draftee. This makes the searching of the microfilm difficult to say the least. The good news is that the Friends of the National Archives took each box after it was filmed (and checked) and sorted all of these thousands and thousands of cards into - state and then COUNTY order and then in alphabetical order by surname and put then in new boxes. The Friends deserve all the kudos we can give them for this monstrous task. So ... rather than spending hours and hours searching the LDS microfilm you can order copies of the original cards from NARA. if you know the county your ancestor lived in between 1917-1918. And BTW - Ancestry.com lists WW1 Draft cards in their searchable data bases, however I know for a fact that there are 22 cards for the surname WHITE found in McIntosh Co, OK and Ancestry only gave me 4 of them so don't depend on that site. I was told yesterday that some reps from Ancestry had visited the archives a couple of weeks ago to talk about filming the cards, took one look at the hundreds and hundreds of boxes and simply left. For copies: Send a letter requesting copy(s) to: NARA Southeast Region 1557 St. Joseph Ave East Point, GA 30344 In your letter be sure to say you want copy(s) of the WWI Draft application Cards. Include the name of your ancestor and his race, the state and the county. If you want copies of ALL of the cards with a given surname, ask them the cost of the copies and send a SASE for them to let you know the copying cost. In your letter be sure and say you want a copy of the FRONT and BACK of the card. Be sure to send a SASE for the return of you copies. The cost for the copy is 50 cents - 25 cents for the back and 25 cents for the front. If you only want one copy send a buck and say the difference is to be given to the Friends of the Archives, because after all they did all this wonderful hard work for you <VBG> If you have any other questions about the cards please write to me and I'll try to help. I've been "delving" into these cards for the past few years. But PLEASE don't ask me to get the copies for you. It is difficult for me to take the time off from work to visit the archive to do my own research <g>. And feel free to pass this on to any of the lists you are on. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager --part1_7134f96d.24f01d9f_boundary-- ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== Please remember that real people read the messages you post. Got a problem? Got a gripe? Don't take it to the list! Send me a message, and I'll try to take care of it: mailto:[email protected]

--part1_7134f96d.24f01d9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought all of you would be interested in this...........Gwen << Good Morning everyone: I played hooky from work yesterday and spent the day at the NARA Branch in Atlanta and it jogged my memory to pass on some information to everyone. Prior to the US's entry into WW1 (approx. 1917-1918) every male between the age of 18 and 40 was required to register for the draft. The information found on the card was provided by the individual himself. The registration cards vary in information depending on the individual draft board. But by and large the cards include: The full name of the person (this means first, full middle name, any additional middle names and last name); the current address of the man; his age; his birthdate (some include his place of birth); whether he is a US citizen or a naturalized citizen (some ask if his father was a naturalized citizen and his father's race); his race; his occupation; where he is employed (name of employer); address or location of employment; name and address of his next of kin; some cards ask if the man is married or single and how many people he supports. The card is signed by the draftee. On the back of the card his physical description is noted: Height is broken down by short, medium, tall although some cards give the actual height in feet and inches; Build by slim, medium, stout although some cards list actual weight along with the build; color of eyes and hair; any deformities or injuries are listed (such as one arm missing, blind in one eye, etc); the name and address of the draft board and the date. When these original cards were transferred to the East Pointe NARA branch the LDS spent about 3 years microfilming these cards. There are hundreds and hundreds of boxes and the LDS opened one box at a time and filmed them - in state order. However, within each state the cards were filed by draft board, not by county or by draftee. This makes the searching of the microfilm difficult to say the least. The good news is that the Friends of the National Archives took each box after it was filmed (and checked) and sorted all of these thousands and thousands of cards into - state and then COUNTY order and then in alphabetical order by surname and put then in new boxes. The Friends deserve all the kudos we can give them for this monstrous task. So ... rather than spending hours and hours searching the LDS microfilm you can order copies of the original cards from NARA. if you know the county your ancestor lived in between 1917-1918. And BTW - Ancestry.com lists WW1 Draft cards in their searchable data bases, however I know for a fact that there are 22 cards for the surname WHITE found in McIntosh Co, OK and Ancestry only gave me 4 of them so don't depend on that site. I was told yesterday that some reps from Ancestry had visited the archives a couple of weeks ago to talk about filming the cards, took one look at the hundreds and hundreds of boxes and simply left. For copies: Send a letter requesting copy(s) to: NARA Southeast Region 1557 St. Joseph Ave East Point, GA 30344 In your letter be sure to say you want copy(s) of the WWI Draft application Cards. Include the name of your ancestor and his race, the state and the county. If you want copies of ALL of the cards with a given surname, ask them the cost of the copies and send a SASE for them to let you know the copying cost. In your letter be sure and say you want a copy of the FRONT and BACK of the card. Be sure to send a SASE for the return of you copies. The cost for the copy is 50 cents - 25 cents for the back and 25 cents for the front. If you only want one copy send a buck and say the difference is to be given to the Friends of the Archives, because after all they did all this wonderful hard work for you <VBG> If you have any other questions about the cards please write to me and I'll try to help. I've been "delving" into these cards for the past few years. But PLEASE don't ask me to get the copies for you. It is difficult for me to take the time off from work to visit the archive to do my own research <g>. And feel free to pass this on to any of the lists you are on. >> --part1_7134f96d.24f01d9f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:47:54 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v60.25) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:47:39 -0400 Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15225; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:43:44 EDT Subject: WWI Draft Cards Old-To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/4654 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Good Morning everyone: I played hooky from work yesterday and spent the day at the NARA Branch in Atlanta and it jogged my memory to pass on some information to everyone. Prior to the US's entry into WW1 (approx. 1917-1918) every male between the age of 18 and 40 was required to register for the draft. The information found on the card was provided by the individual himself. The registration cards vary in information depending on the individual draft board. But by and large the cards include: The full name of the person (this means first, full middle name, any additional middle names and last name); the current address of the man; his age; his birthdate (some include his place of birth); whether he is a US citizen or a naturalized citizen (some ask if his father was a naturalized citizen and his father's race); his race; his occupation; where he is employed (name of employer); address or location of employment; name and address of his next of kin; some cards ask if the man is married or single and how many people he supports. The card is signed by the draftee. On the back of the card his physical description is noted: Height is broken down by short, medium, tall although some cards give the actual height in feet and inches; Build by slim, medium, stout although some cards list actual weight along with the build; color of eyes and hair; any deformities or injuries are listed (such as one arm missing, blind in one eye, etc); the name and address of the draft board and the date. When these original cards were transferred to the East Pointe NARA branch the LDS spent about 3 years microfilming these cards. There are hundreds and hundreds of boxes and the LDS opened one box at a time and filmed them - in state order. However, within each state the cards were filed by draft board, not by county or by draftee. This makes the searching of the microfilm difficult to say the least. The good news is that the Friends of the National Archives took each box after it was filmed (and checked) and sorted all of these thousands and thousands of cards into - state and then COUNTY order and then in alphabetical order by surname and put then in new boxes. The Friends deserve all the kudos we can give them for this monstrous task. So ... rather than spending hours and hours searching the LDS microfilm you can order copies of the original cards from NARA. if you know the county your ancestor lived in between 1917-1918. And BTW - Ancestry.com lists WW1 Draft cards in their searchable data bases, however I know for a fact that there are 22 cards for the surname WHITE found in McIntosh Co, OK and Ancestry only gave me 4 of them so don't depend on that site. I was told yesterday that some reps from Ancestry had visited the archives a couple of weeks ago to talk about filming the cards, took one look at the hundreds and hundreds of boxes and simply left. For copies: Send a letter requesting copy(s) to: NARA Southeast Region 1557 St. Joseph Ave East Point, GA 30344 In your letter be sure to say you want copy(s) of the WWI Draft application Cards. Include the name of your ancestor and his race, the state and the county. If you want copies of ALL of the cards with a given surname, ask them the cost of the copies and send a SASE for them to let you know the copying cost. In your letter be sure and say you want a copy of the FRONT and BACK of the card. Be sure to send a SASE for the return of you copies. The cost for the copy is 50 cents - 25 cents for the back and 25 cents for the front. If you only want one copy send a buck and say the difference is to be given to the Friends of the Archives, because after all they did all this wonderful hard work for you <VBG> If you have any other questions about the cards please write to me and I'll try to help. I've been "delving" into these cards for the past few years. But PLEASE don't ask me to get the copies for you. It is difficult for me to take the time off from work to visit the archive to do my own research <g>. And feel free to pass this on to any of the lists you are on. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager --part1_7134f96d.24f01d9f_boundary--

Seems like it is slow - guess people are on vacation or busy digging up roots for publication later on!! Or maybe you & I are the only ones left on the "trail" are we missing out on something !!!!! - LOL nita

Have I been deleted from the subscribers? I'm getting no mail for several days?

I often have tried to find Tennessee records, only to be told "the Yankees burned down the courthouse".....well I found the following and thought of all those courthouse records flying throught the county. NILES REGISTER, June 26, 1830 Violent Storm Hits Shelbyvile and Carthage, Night of May 31, 1830 At Shelbyville 38 stores and shops, and 15 dwellings were destroyed, five men killed, and many bruised and wounded. Mr Newton, editor of Shelbyville Intelligencer, was carried, amidst the ruinds of his house, one hundred yards and found dreadfully mangled and dead. The noise of the tempest was indeed fearful. The lightning gave to midnight the power of seeing as well as at mid-day. The earth was covered with a sheet of water. The crash of falling houses, the cry of distress, the groans of the wounded, were awful. It is a tale of horror. Independent of the loss of live, property to the amount of between fifty and one hundred thousand dollars was destroyed. We only wonder that so few lives were lost. The storm was eually felt at Carthage, also reduced to a heap of ruins, though it lasted only 5 minutes. The courthouse, a substantial brick building, as well as the jail, were reduced to heaps of rubbish. The public records, and fragments of buildings were scattered through the country for miles. Almost every house in the town was destroyed or damaged, but, happiy, no lives lost, though several persons were dreadfully wounded. The goods in the stores were dispersed to "the winds of the heavens", and many lost all their clothing, ecept what they had on their back. end mary

In a message dated 08/13/1999 10:52:08 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Someone else will have to explain this I guess. You did very well, Mary. The only thing that I would add is that it would be well to think of Tennessee not only as a destination but the path of a major migratory route. The same thing can probably be said for the entire strip of states abutting the original colonies, but with the Cumberland Gap funneling settlers through KY and TN, it is especially true of the very early settlers. With the Cumberland and Tennessee Rivers emptying into the Ohio, and with the Natchez Trace connecting Middle Tennessee to Alabama, Mississippi, and New Orleans, the paths continued on to larger areas. Joyce

In a message dated 8/11/99 9:40:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Okay, anyone live near King's Mountain or been there? >> I have been there. I would say it is worth while, especially if you have an ancestor who fought there. When I was there the ranger looked up information for us on our ancestor. It is also a lovely site. It has been very hot in this region all summer. Unless it cools down expect temperatures to be 90 - 100. Debby

From: "myrone capstu" <[email protected]> >Old-To: [email protected]> >This history of migration is very interesting. Somewhere in this time >period, a CAPPS/CROSBY lineage settled in Ware Co.,GA. Would they have >taken one of these routes, say, from NC? If so, how did they wind up in SE >GA, do you suppose? Any info or ideas on this are greatly appreciated as I >cannot find a "starting" place for these people. Thank You. I have rec. several message such as the above where I think I did not make myself clear .....I am not always the best at that. What is today Tennessee - look at it - about 2/3 of it was before and after the Rev War - North Carolina. The western third was Indian lands. So dont think I mean people went to NC of today and then to TN of today. I mean they went into what is today TN, but back then it was part of the colony of NC. You have to look at the early frontier like this.....you have your colonies such as Virginia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina - they went from the Atlantic Ocean to for ever. They did not know anything about their western boundries so claimed the land to where ever it went (which would have been the Pacific Ocean I suppose). In doing research before and just after Rev WAr you mush keep that in mind to know where to look for records. Who claimed the land where your ancestor was sitting? There was not provision before Independence for new colonies, also until the land was surveyed, places such as the border between what is now TN and KY - back then that area was claimed by both VA and NC. Then a survey was done and a line drawn, so you lived either in NC or VA (since there was no Tennessee or Kentucky). Also places such as the area where PA, MD, VA, meet - that was in dispute. Maryland nearly went to war over boundries. These were originally land grants given by the King - Lord Baltimore was given Maryland and the southern border really went into what is VA today. I guess I am not very clear on this, but when I talk about Rev War soldiers from all over being given land in NC - I mean the part that is today TN.....but the records are often found in NC. Early militia records before Rev WAr on what is now TN - some of those are found in NC. Look in TN first, but dont forget to then try NC. Someone else will have to explain this I guess. Mary

This history of migration is very interesting. Somewhere in this time period, a CAPPS/CROSBY lineage settled in Ware Co.,GA. Would they have taken one of these routes, say, from NC? If so, how did they wind up in SE GA, do you suppose? Any info or ideas on this are greatly appreciated as I cannot find a "starting" place for these people. Thank You. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

This has probably been discussed before but can we discuss it again? My (Fitzgerald?) Gerelds/Gerald/Jerrells (there are 40+ various spellings even in the same families) ancestor stated in the 1850 Lincoln County, TN census he was 38 yrs. old (b abt 1812 in Vermont). He was in Lincoln County in 1842, married in January that year. He volunteered to serve in the War with Mexico and returned to Lincoln County. There are several Gerald/Geralds in New England who moved on and I have been told Tennessee was an unusual travel route. So, from Vermont to Lincoln County, TN (and probably on to Alabama and Texas), what makes this route unusual and what areas do you suppose he traveled? Many thanks. Betty

At 02:16 PM 8/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >This has probably been discussed before but can we discuss it again? My >(Fitzgerald?) Gerelds/Gerald/Jerrells (there are 40+ various spellings >even in the same families) ancestor stated in the 1850 Lincoln County, >TN census he was 38 yrs. old (b abt 1812 in Vermont). He was in Lincoln >County in 1842, married in January that year. He volunteered to serve >in the War with Mexico and returned to Lincoln County. > >There are several Gerald/Geralds in New England who moved on and I have >been told Tennessee was an unusual travel route. So, from Vermont to >Lincoln County, TN (and probably on to Alabama and Texas), what makes >this route unusual and what areas do you suppose he traveled? Many >thanks. Betty it really is not that unusual.....just that if he was born 1812 in Vermont, it is a bit later than normal. What happened, after Rev War, many soldiers were given land - one of the places this free land was located was NORTH CAROLINA - in what would become Tennessee. So in 1790s you see all kinds of people from CT, NY, Md coming into Davidson Co NC (which would become Davidson Co Tn) and a bit later some of it would be Sumner or Tennessee County NC - later Sumner Co Tn, and other counties in Tn. (think Tennessee Co NC was given different name). Anyway, either his father was a soldier in the Rev War and got land, or what often happened.....a soldier who did not want to take up his land sold it. A lot of them did that. The land speculators and lawyers flocked to the area of Knoxville, and Nashville during that time. The area had a huge spurt of growth because of the new people coming in to take up the free land. The first settlers to Nashville were in the Cumberland Group in June 1780. So they were preemptors. Others as soon as the war was over came there, before the new government got around to giving out land to soldiers. So these people had claim to their land, but some of the speculators sold part of their land to people living in other places. Thus a lot of dispute over land. Some people who bought their land - say in Maryland - and made the trip to take up their land, on arrival would find someone else living there with a claim to it. or two new settlers would arrive and find they had both been sold the same land. So many people either moved on, fought, or purchased more land. As I have said before, seems everyone was flocking to this area. Then after the War of 1812 which ended early Jan 1815 for these people with the Battle of New Orleans, people were on the move again. lots of them 1815-1818 went into Alabama. one main route, was get on the Tennessee river and take that into Al. many of the Al people would later move on to Texas. 1830-1840 lot of movement to Texas with them usually using the rivers - some would take rivers to north-east corner of Arkansas, or to central AR, then take overland route to Texas. Wonder why Andrew Jackson got elected President? He was the voice of these people living in that area, and there were so many of them wanting more free land - Indian land. Also Knoxville and Nashville at that time were really on all the major migration trails for the south - both land and water. mary

In a message dated 08/12/1999 9:21:37 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Why do we never hear about all these little > governments that did not last long, but show how our ancestors thought law > and order was important. There were so many really intelligent men setting > up these government The state of Franklin and the Cumberland Compact folks are different one from another. The state of Franklin was an attempt to separate from the state of NC because it was felt that NC wasn't doing all it should for them. The Cumberland Compact was a group of settlers who entered into an agreement among themselves to maintain law and order because they were so far from their acknowledged government in NC. It was never intended to supplant that government but a recognition that it would be impossible to transport every petty criminal back across the mountains for prosecution. They continued to pressure NC to bring organized government to them so that they could file their land claims and transact all other courthouse business locally. Within two years NC had established Davidson County, NC, with Nashville as the county seat, and the duties performed under the Compact were again relegated to the county government. It was only after several more years of NC being unable to defend these western settlements that sentiment for separation resulted in NC relinquishing the area to the federal government in 1790 and the Territory South of the River Ohio was organized and a procedure established for a U. S. territory to progress to statehood. The admission of Tennessee as a state in 1796 proved that this method of adding states to the union was indeed a viable solution to expansion. And you are right about our coming very close to not being a country. Or at least to being a country that extended no farther west than the mountains. Were it not for the pioneers on the western edges of civilization from Georgia to Pennsylvania, that vast expanse of land might very well have been lost to England or Spain. We owe a tremendous debt to those families who settled where every man, woman, and child became a front line soldier. Its shameful that historians have paid so little attention to their contribution. Joyce

Very scary. I think most history classes do just cover those major things in the eyes of the historian. But we all have our little regional tidbits bits. Living just outside of Springfield IL...we cover a lot about Abe Lincoln but fail to point out Mr. Lincoln's very obvious southern connections. And we just ignore other native sons as US Grant and Ronald Reagon. But then again maybe that isn't so amazing. It's a shame we all can't have our own "history" polished up for the future researchers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Hodge (by way of Josephine Lindsay Bass <[email protected]>) <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 8:32 AM Subject: History of GA > Mary, you are so right, it is Scary. "my daughter about it, she is going to > be a history > teacher, and she had never heard about it. That is kind of scary." > > Charleston fell to the British - my gggf Lt. Nathaniel McCants was captured > in the battle and imprisoned on British ship - he survived. Below you see > where the Britts captured Savannah. The last great Battle to wrest the > country from the Britts was the Battle of New Orleans, LA 1814. My gf > James Harrison enlisted in Huntsville, AL. (originally VA). Also, my gf > David Scott McCants of E. Feliciana Parish, LA. (originally SC), he was son > of Nathaniel above. > > I don't see enough about the War of 1812 which was an extension of the Rev > War. > > Courtesy of Ken in Orlando > History of GA > 1732 King George II granted a charter to establish the Georgia Colony. > (named for him) > 1733 James Oglethorpe brought the first 120 English settlers to Savannah > 1754 Georgia became a British royal province > 1778 British troops captured Savannah during the RW. Driven out in 1782 > 1788 Georgia ratified the US Constitution and became the fourth state > 1838 The last Indians (Cherokee) were forced to leave (this is when all of > Georgia was settled) > 1861 Georgia seceded from the Union > 1870 Georgia was readmitted > > My wife's ancestor John Musgrove arrived with Oglethorpe in 1733 and > married Cousaponakeesa (Creek Indian), later known as Mary Musgrove. > > > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb is Free! But Rootsweb is supported by volunteers and > contributions. Show your support and become a member. Click here > for more information: > http://www.rootsweb.com > >

Hi all this was sent to another list, and some of you might like to tape the program, i don't have the Disney Channel myself - sure hate to miss this. cheers, josie PS - I woldn't count the OR as the very best source for CW History - written by the new US Govt after the war. i would intead go to Jefferson Davis writings and Confederate Military History. Or & Conf Hist are on CDs from H-Bar. At 01:26 AM 08/11/1999 -0400, you wrote: >From: Dennis Wheeler <[email protected]> > >Folks, > >The Disney Channel is running the old episodes of Swamp Fox every night at >midnight to 1AM. > >This was a television series from the '60s about the Revolutionary War in >South Carolina. > >It would certainly be worth taping and showing to your kids and friends. > >Tonight Colonel Marion captured some British soldiers and told them to take >a message to General Cornwallis: "As long as there are free men in South >Carolina, there will always be a war." > >AMEN. There aren't as many free men in South Carolina today as there were >then, though. And that's a problem. > >DW [email protected] 216 Beach Park Lane Cape Canaveral, FL 32920-5003 Home of The *HARRISON* Repository & *MY FAMILY* http://moon.ouhsc.edu/rbonner/harintro.htm My Family WWW: http://moon.ouhsc.edu/rbonner/index.htm LINDSAY & HARRISON Surnames & CSA-HISTORY Roots Mail List GENCONNECT: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/FamAssoc.html Data Managed by beautiful daughter Becky Bass Bonner and me, Josephine Lindsay Bass

My father was from King's Mountain, NC. King's Mountain National Battlefield Park is entirely in South Carolina. Have been there several times. IMO, it is rather rural, and out of the way. Of course, that depends on where you are now, doesn't it! It is not far from Charlotte, NC, if you enjoy shopping and displays. In a week, one could easily do both Cowpens and King's Mountain National Parks, the Carl Sandburg home in Flat Rock, NC, the Biltmore House in Asheville, the Cherokee Reservation, Linville Falls, Blowing Rock and Boone, NC. The best library in North Carolina is the North Carolina State Library and Archives, on Jones Street, in Raleigh. If I were going to vacation in North Carolina, I would either do the mountain route, (the Biltmore Estate, in my opinion, is a "must see"), or do the eastern route, seeing New Bern, with its colonial buildings, such as Tryon Palace, Nags Head/Manteo, Ft. Raleigh National Historic Site, Roanoke Island, Bentonville Battlefield, Raleigh, maybe a swing out to Guilford Court House National Military Park. I believe the state of NC has a web page, where you could access tourism info. Annette Elam Wetzel On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:43:49 +0000 Harold Miller <[email protected]> writes: >Okay, anyone live near King's Mountain or been there? My husband said just >the two of us are going to take a week's vacation and I can pick the spot. >Would this be a good place to go? Another question, in doing early NC >research, where is the best library with the best collection?

The 70 or so mile drive Southeast from Ashville, N. Car., to Rutherfordton (just a few miles from King's Mtn.) is one of the prettiest, most relaxing short trips I have made anywhere in the Lower 48. -- Jim Blease mailto:[email protected] Valdosta, Ga. ICQ #: 19431334

Many school children in the NC SC area are taken to Kings Mt, and it is well worth the trip, for them and for adults traveling in the area. Another good place to learn about the life and times of the Rev.war is in Hillsborough and Alamance county, where "the War of the Regulation and the Battle of Alamance" almost started the Rev.in May 1771, but Gov. Tryon brought his troops in to settle the Regulators.There is a visitors center, a cabin, a museum and lots of information in this area(all state maintained) SBarkley a descendant of the Messer who was hung in Hillsborough, along with 5 others. One Regulator was executed on the spot and others hung after the battle. The book THE WAR OF THE REGULATION AND THE BATTLE OF ALAMANCE, MAY 16, 1771 by William S. Powell published by the NC Div of Archives in Raleigh is a good source of the story. I never learned this history until I began my research into my family's genealogy. SBarkley Taylorsville, NC

Another good >place to learn about the life and times of the Rev.war is in Hillsborough >and Alamance county, where "the War of the Regulation and the Battle of >Alamance" almost started the Rev.in May 1771, but Gov. Tryon brought his >troops in to settle the Regulators. > >a descendant of the Messer who was hung in Hillsborough, along with 5 >others. One Regulator was executed on the spot and others hung after the >battle. >The book THE WAR OF THE REGULATION AND THE BATTLE OF ALAMANCE, MAY 16, 1771 >by William S. Powell published by the NC Div of Archives in Raleigh is a >good source of the story. >SBarkley >Taylorsville, NC okay - fill me in a bit on the Regulators. Were they the ones who were in the Lost State of Franklin over in TN? I had a brother to my ancestor in that group, along with some Shelby, Campbell, Looney, Seiver, Sam Houston (uncle of the Texas one), etc. That was quite a group. I know there were divisions, one of them being the Regulators from NC, but I was never sure what they were. The State of Franklin was formed cause the folks got bad at NC government (TN was NC back then). Also NC would not send them any help in defense against Indians. I also read where the Spanish was courting some of them, promised them lots of land if they could sway everyone to become part of Spain. Also the French were talking to some. It is difficult to think how close we came to not being a country. I mean, we could have ended up little countries like in Europe. I know people in Boston, etc. were fighting.....but the southern frontier was really an active place back then. And each group very soon set up some type of government, since they were not getting any help from the government on the coast. At Ft Nashborough NC (Nashville, TN) 1780 the Cumberland Compact was signed. I understand the same was happening on the frontier of western PA, Conn., etc. Why do we never hear about all these little governments that did not last long, but show how our ancestors thought law and order was important. There were so many really intelligent men setting up these governments. So anyway, who were the Regulators of NC? Mary