I am looking for McKelduff. They probably were in Carolinas and migrated to Alabama and Mississippi. My grandfather, Lubie McKelduff, was born in Carrollton, Pickens County, AL in 1875. His father was William McKelduff and his mother was Sarah Sophira Marler. I am beginning to believe the McKelduffs dropped out of the sky, had a couple of kids and left. Any help appreciated. Betty.

Only recently did I learn that my g g grandmothers' surname was MUSTARD (or a variation). The only Mustard family I have located in SC were in Charleston around the mid 1800's. That family was quite small. To my knowledge only a few reside in SC even today. Any information out there about the surname origin? Did they migrate onto through the South as so many others families? I would appreciate any morsels as this is a new search for me. Linda

In this part of the state-- 30 miles north of Florida border -- we speak of the Old FEDERAL Road. I've never heard it referred to as the Old Road, but I'm willing to bet that's what he was referring to. An Indian trail prior to 1804, it came from Milledgeville through Creek Indian country to St. Stephens in what prior to 1799 was Spanish Territory or West Florida. Then it was Mississippi Territory until Alabama statehood in 1819. Andy Jackson's men widened it in War of 1812 and built forts. His men saw Alabama and Mississippi and Louisiana -- they returned to the Carolinas, Ga and Tenn and got their families then used the Old Federal Road as primary source of migration in years to come. Sandra Taylor [email protected] wrote: > My 3rd great grandfather was Stewart Jackson. He lived in Center Star, > AL and > was a surveyor. I have a letter from a distant cousin stating that he > is > memtioned in the Old Road record as having been in charge of certain > section > of the road. Hia wife was neice of Gen. John Coffee, surveyor general > of > Alabama, Does anyone know anything about the Old Road or where I could > find > anything about it? Thanx. Betty. > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb is Free! But Rootsweb is supported by volunteers and > contributions. Show your support and become a member. Click here > for more information: > http://www.rootsweb.com

For those of you who live close enough,Mr.Jim Manasco is teaching a Class on Natural History:topics are Pre Alabama History. These classes began this evening,Sept 07-99 and every Tuesday night from 6-8 pm.at the Bevill state community college,building 1400, in Sumiton Al. (Walker Co.)Hwy 78 East. He is a great Teacher and tonight we spoke about a little of what he would be teaching about. Alot will be said about the old roads ,and the High Town Path in the Bankhead forrest,The Sypsie Wilderness of North Alabama.Winston,Lawrence,counties. Please come and join us,cost is 50.00 for the six week class.For more information please call the Bevill State Community college,continueing education dept. Betsy Good Hunting ! Surnames; Paternal side; Haley,Westmoreland,Clayton. Maternal side; Gillion,Frost,Panter/Painter,Madison, Ford,Lawrence,Norris,Clements,Pendley,Jenkins,Cheverous,Lentz,Tittle,Tyree,Tirey~ Check out my new home page; http://community.webtv.net/HALEY_DILL/BetsysFamilyTree

A Blevins of Eddy, Texas, north of Temple in Falls County says her grandad at Blevins, Texas was jesse James and she has a photo of Jesse's Choctaw mom with one arm missing, exactly like the on in the Missouri museum. Texas Dept of Public safety labs in Austin examined the photo and other items closely. This is in a new book and all her cousins say they know the story but do not want Mr. Courtney's body disturbed. This has been reported in issues of Texas Co-Op Power members and suscribers magazine. The Austin labs say the photo has not been tamperred with and even the print on Mrs. James's dress was a perfect match to the Missouri Photo. a Frank James settled in South Bell County and 80 yeatr old men in our church used to hunt on his land According to the Courtney researcher, eye witnesses said the body exhumed in Missouri was lying face down in the coffin and the only DNA missouri evidence came from a tooth of jesse's buried outside his childhood home, not his grave and the corpse was the wrong size for Jesse. a St. Cloud Minn, prof published a book about 1994 proving the claims of his gang that he was not at Northfield Bank Robery as 2 of the men were drunk enough to smell, one so drunk he fell. Jesse was a businesman who did not work with drunks. The Mr. Courtney would entertain guests by riding his horse full speed across the yard and shoot an alarmed chicken's head off for extra meat for supper. One book written last year said Jesse onced visited Brushy Bill Roberts of Hico, Texas AKA William Roberts raised as William Bonney by his McCarty aunt and Billy's dad rode with Jesse and the Youngers after the Civil War. According to this book Jesse and Brushy Bill visited Cooney Caverns at Lake Whitney Brazos Bluff. They used torches and sparklers to scare snakes back. There was supposed to be one rattler over 12 feet. I never saw one more than 7 feet. Later, a fishing camp operator displayed Spanish and early American coins from the cave, but refused to return. A New Mexico judge refused to pay Pat Garret an award for shooting Billy Barlow in the back and burying him as Billy Bonney or Roberts. The judge said he had personal knowledge that Billy was still alive. Marshalls and friends in Arizona said jesse had visited Billy in an Arizona after his death.d in the Tombstone Epitath. I knew this Billy in the 1950's. Visit the Hico Billy the Kid Museum and study the court records closely before you follow the Lincoln County story. Lincoln County actors performed their version in an outdoor Hico theatre. If you believe theMissouri James story, you probably think the TV Unsolved Misteries story of John Wilkes Booth showing up at Hico, Texas. He was red headed, and had a broken and infected leg. He was hunting a Dr. McNeil (My mom's first cousin by marriage was Dr. McNeil's granddaughter in Stephenville. This red headed man served bar in Grandbury about the time Jesse James was there and died in the Grand Hotel, Enid, Okla., now a furniture store. The managed said Mr. Booth had tb or Pneumonia, had few friends, but told one he was Booth. An Enid dentist examined his teeth and they closely matched dental records back east. Take care Charles Wyly On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:57:22 EDT [email protected] writes: >In a message dated 9/7/99 1:15:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, [email protected] >writes: > ><< I have more on Txerath Net from a lady who > said her grandad Bishop of Chalk Mountain also rode with Quantrell, >and > many say Jesse James (J.Frank Dalton of Grandbury, Texas visited >them > >> >Jesse was exhumed a couple of years ago. DNA proved that the one in >Jesse >Woodson James' grave was Jesse, and J. Frank Dalton was not Jesse >James. BTW >Jesse is a descendant of Dr. John Woodson who came to Jamestown in >1619. >Betty.

Listowner, Please tell me what to do about the way my digest version is coming in as of about a week ago. It used to be one long e-mail with one letter following another and now it comes in as a different file for each message, like this: Subject: Southern-Trails-D Digest V99 #242 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Part 1.1 Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0 (message/rfc822) followed by: Part 1.2 Part 1.3 I've not changed anything on my computer, but Deep South Roots from Rootsweb is coming in this way, also, plus a few other e-mails. Appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks, Pat

--part1_d6fef27c.2506dab6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought ya'll would be interested in this tid-bit:........Gwen << ====================================================== On September 3, 1752, the Gregorian calendar (New Style or N.S) replaced the Julian calendar (Old Style or O.S.) in England and its American colonies, by an act of Parliament. (September 3 became September 14.) The calendar change can pose problems for genealogists who don't take it into account. The following excerpt from "Pitfalls in Genealogical Research," by Milton Rubincam, FASG, may shed some light on this problem. _____________________________ "In 46-45 B.C. Gaius Julius Caesar, Pontifex Maximus and Dictator, with the assistance of Sosiegenes, astronomer and mathematician from Alexandria, Egypt, reformed the Roman republican calendar. It was computed that the solar year - - the time it takes for the Earth to revolve around the sun - - was 365 days, six hours. Three years, each consisting of 365 days, were to be followed by a fourth (or leap) year of 366 days. But this was slightly over eleven minutes too much, or about one day in 128 years." "In the year 325 Emperor Constantine I (The Great) presided over an ecumenical council at Nicaea . . . [and] the Julian calendar was adopted." "During the Middle Ages, astronomers and mathematicians were aware of the discrepancies in the Julian calendar. Several efforts were made to reform it but nothing came of them. By the sixteenth century, calendar dates were ahead of actual time by ten days, and the vernal equinox had shifted to 11 March." "When Ugo Buoncompagni ascended the papal throne on 13 May 1572 as Gregory XIII, he took up the question of reforming the calendar, and succeeded where his predecessors had failed. Acting on the advice of Aloysius Lilius, Neapolitan physician and mathematician, and Bavarian Jesuit and mathematician Christopher Clavius, he issued a decree in March 1582, promulgating the new calendar called in his honor Gregorian. He directed that the day after the Feast of St. Francis of Assisi, October should be reckoned as 15 October 1582. Consequently the next vernal equinox fell properly on 21 March instead of on the eleventh of the month. Pope Gregory ordered that no century year should be considered a leap year unless it was exactly divisible by 400. Thus 1700, 1800, and 1900 would be common years, but 1600 and 2000 would be leap years." "The Catholic countries of Europe adopted the Gregorian calendar as soon as possible after copies of the decree had reached them. The Protestant countries were slow to follow suit, not being willing to obey the Pope's orders. The Protestant states of the Holy Roman Empire, by order of the Diet (Parliament) at Regensburg, dropped eleven days from the 19th to the 29th of February 1700, so that 18 February immediately became 1 March. . ." " Scotland, while still a separate kingdom before its union with England under James VI and I, converted to 1600 by order of the Privy Council. England and her colonies finally fell in line when Parliament passed an act in 1751 ordering that the Gregorian calendar be adopted for all legal and public business. By that time, the difference between the Julian and Gregorian calendars amounted to 11 days and it was therefore further enacted that the day that the day following 2 September 1752 should be called 14 September. The people did not understand the reason for this; they thought they were being deprived of eleven days of their lives and rioted, screaming, "Give us back our eleven days!" ____________________________________ Below are some helpful calendar Web sites: Gregorian Conversion http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/khagen/GregConv.html (This site has a table at the bottom listing the dates that various countries converted.) Gregorian Calendar http://es.rice.edu/ES/humsoc/Galileo/Things/gregorian_calendar.html Genesis of the Gregorian Calendar http://www.sdsu.edu/doc/texi/gcal_5.html Calendar database http://www.earth.com/calendar ("Use the Search Keyword to specify year or month/year. Try 9/1752 to see the Gregorian Reformation.") Calendar: A History http://www.infomagic.com/~ernie/calendar.htm Calendar Zone http://www.calendarzone.com/ Hermetic Systems: Calendar Studies http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/hermetic/cal_stud.htm Roman Numerals http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/bp10004/cgi_roman.html >> --part1_d6fef27c.2506dab6_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:21:17 -0400 Received: from ancexch001.ancestry.com ([192.216.182.125]) by rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:20:59 -0400 Received: from anclist001.ancestry.com (10.16.1.52 [10.16.1.52]) by ancexch001.ancestry.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id SHLXJNBQ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:43:22 -0700 From: Ancestry Daily News <[email protected]> To: Ancestry Daily News Subscriber <[email protected]> Subject: Ancestry Daily News, 07 September 1999 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 03:46:24 -0700 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Errors-To: [email protected] Originator: [email protected] X-Mailer: UnityMail X-Mailer-Version: 2.1 X-UnityUser: Ancestry, Inc. 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Additionally, it provides the farm location, farm size, and how long the family had lived in the county. Researchers will find the names of over 10,000 residents. For those Ancestry.com patrons searching for central Indiana ancestors, this can be a great aid in their research. Bibliography: Dennis, Carolyn, ed. "Tippecanoe County, Indiana Farmer's Directory." [Database online] Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 1999. Taken from: "Prairie Farmer's Directory." Tippecanoe, IN, 1919. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3967.htm <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> Midwest Pioneers: Fifty Years on the Firing Line Famous for his "St. Paul Daily News" column titled "The Cornfield Philosopher," James Witham lived in Ohio, Nebraska, and Iowa before settling in Minnesota. This narrative is an account of his life growing up as a farmer, working for local newspapers, and his involvement in politics. 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It seems that the puppet show window that I had set up for her had fallen down and she couldn't get it back to the way it was. I told her that she wouldn't solve her problem by stomping her feet and pouting. She needed to stand back and look at what was wrong with it and then think of a way to fix it. As I went back to my work, I pondered this particular piece of advice and decided that we could all learn a bit from this. When I am frustrated by a research problem, I am often driven to my own brand of "hissy fit" like banging my head on a wall--but this can cause headaches. Sneering and growling are also kind of fun but other than entertaining my daughter, it is not much help. Sometimes I'll put that branch of the family aside for a bit. While there is something to be said for putting it aside and coming back to it later, it will not solve the problem. The first thing to do, as my daughter now knows, is to take a step back and look at what is wrong. 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In a message dated 9/7/99 1:15:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, [email protected] writes: << I have more on Txerath Net from a lady who said her grandad Bishop of Chalk Mountain also rode with Quantrell, and many say Jesse James (J.Frank Dalton of Grandbury, Texas visited them >> Jesse was exhumed a couple of years ago. DNA proved that the one in Jesse Woodson James' grave was Jesse, and J. Frank Dalton was not Jesse James. BTW Jesse is a descendant of Dr. John Woodson who came to Jamestown in 1619. Betty.

Charles Wyly and I have been comparing notes and he mentioned something I have wondered about. In Battle of King's Mountain 1780.....he wonders how 4 Colonels, coming from different states on different trails, all got there in time for the battle. I have wondered about, they hurried back to TN in time to fight off an Indian attack.... how did news travel - where there designated runners or something? All up and down the frontier, these men seemed to know so much about what was going on. I read where someone during this time frame - 1780s - had to go from the Cumberland group to Kentucky to get powder.....which was not far really, but just seems all these little groups sitting there surrounded by Indians, they always knew what was going on in the other groups. I have read about the Committee of Correspondence, etc. - how news was passed between the colonies on the coast. What about all these early settlements on the frontier? There just seems to have been so much going on ca 1780, and in different places, but each group knowing about the other. Did anyone in say Philadelphia, Jamestown, Williamsburg, etc. know what was going on in the backwoods? Just something I have always wondered about, how these people seemed to have been so 'in the know' about things going on far away. maybe I should ask....did these frontier men ever stay home? Mary

Hello, there, Are you sure you want to know about the Crocketts?? On the other hand , considerring the times, they were honorable men. a school once named Crockett once stood off U.S. 67 near the Selden- Cedar Point road, across from the John and Ida Wyly Kay prairie farm. , near the hedwaters of the Prairie or Hurley branch of the Duffau creej, two or 3 hills east of the Evergreen Community. Great Grandmother's brother Ed Fleming, from Missouri, taught there when they had a hand pump and wood stove and that prairie can be cold during a Blue Norther. Farther east, joining Hurley and Riggs land are a few Crockett graves- some in the old Pony Creek- Box cemetery, possibly nearby in the Beach- Rumph cemetery (Private,} the "New " Pony Creek- Box cemetery and I think some are buried in Indian Creek and other Erath County cemeteries. Davey Crockett's second (or third, depending on the claims that several at the Alamo had Spanish wives) wife is buried a few miles across the Paluxy River at Acton, Hood County. "Deaf" Smith's wife Nancy is buried between Pony Creek and Glen Rose, Texas in the Nancy Smith Cemetery with a Texas Revolution marker on it. Fred Ewers III [email protected],msn.com may have information. His grandad's present wife is Marilyn Giesekie Mills Ewers900 Glen Rose Road, Stephenville, Texas 76401-254-965-4984 She wrote the PTA book of 250 plus pages called SOME HISTORY OF THE JOHNSVILLE, PONY CREEK, AND CHALK MOUNTAIN COMMUNITIES WHO CONSOLIDATED TO FORM THE THREE WAY SCHOOL DISTRICT, ERATH COUNTY, TEXAS. , 1995 She also left unpublished history in the Stephenville library in a box. She tells about John Crockett who rode with Quantrell's Raiders at the end of the War of Northern Agression and during the reconstruction efforts to treat Rebel heroes as outlaws to be punished, even though Lincoln had pardoned them. I have more on Txerath Net from a lady who said her grandad Bishop of Chalk Mountain also rode with Quantrell, and many say Jesse James (J.Frank Dalton of Grandbury, Texas visited them and many say he and Crockett hid money between the old dirt U.S. 67 and the Pony Creek church. . The Gillentines, Crocketts, Beach and Rumph familiea were connected there. Marilyn quotes May/June issue of American Genealolgy Magazine, 1992 as saying that John Crockett was an old Tennessee Rifleman who ser ved in the Confederate Army under Jackman, during the Civil War. Jackman was under Quantrell. After the war they went to Mexico to improve their health and avoid blood poison. After Reconstruction was wearing down he returned to Texas. The story of the crooked toll takers on the Rio Grande and how Crockett got his money back is another story. It seems Crockett and his brother in law, a Willingham, were at odds and the Beach brothers were siding with Mr. Willingham. Some local stories say some of the trouble was over some boys riding home from a Saturday night dance or party, tipsy on moonshine, and they carelessly left gates open, and other people's cows followed them home wanting to be fed. . Someone shot at Crockett from ambush and he went to Erath County Sheriff Gilbreath, who loaned him a shotgun. Later, the Beach boys were riding towards his house and he shot out the window and Time Beach was riding trying to shoot under his horse's neck 100 plus yards away. and Crockett shot at his left nipple. He missed it by 1". The Stephenville Grand Jury refused to indict Crockett for murder and he left for Quannah, Texas. Cage Beach followed him, married his daughter, and established a home there. Later, Cage and Crockett were out hunting together and Cage came back . saying John Crockett was dead, shot accidentally. No action was taken aganist Cage. John had led a small wagon train from Missouri to Texas. Now I am wonderring if my Great Grandad Moxley and his Fleming and Ogan kin from Missouri were in that wagon train. Great Grandad was in Nathan Bedford Forrest's calvary and they ate their horses to get home. The 1880 Census , page 30, Erath County, family # 267 lists John S. Crockett, 40 farming in Mo., Tenn., N.Carolina Wife Jane 38. Mo. ., Ky., Va., Children Etta, 11, Robert L., 7, Stella, 4, James S., 3, and Pearl, 1 1/2. Etta Ky. born, others in Texas. Etta married McCager Beach 7 Aug, 1886. Oh, yes, I have the middie name of Augustine because of a 7 generation habit of Wylys useing it in honor of Judge Augustin Smith Clayton of North Ga. George Washington heard him recite some patriotic poetry in grade school and sent him an autographed book. Judge Clayton wrote under the names of Atticus and another, and also wrote the old book DAVEY CROCKETT, BY HIMSELF. There was a James Crockett from Millerville/Duffau, Erath County 1900-1910 and later moved to Missouri, Mr. McCarty might add to this.He lived in the Duffau area . Happy hunting. Charles Augustine Wyly On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:30:15 EDT [email protected] writes: >Charles Wyly, in your research in Erath Co., TX. do you recall seeing >any >info on the Crockett family in that area. My grandmother, Matilda >Jane >Crocket, dtr of Andrew Jackson Crockett & Mary Danley married James >Henry >Parker. Who would be a good source in Erath Co. for obtaining family >info. >Would appreciate your help & advice. Nita Parker Ryan >[email protected] > > >==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== >Don't forget to check out Heading South: the Southern Trails Resource >Page >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~south1/trails1.htm >

Charles Wyly, in your research in Erath Co., TX. do you recall seeing any info on the Crockett family in that area. My grandmother, Matilda Jane Crocket, dtr of Andrew Jackson Crockett & Mary Danley married James Henry Parker. Who would be a good source in Erath Co. for obtaining family info. Would appreciate your help & advice. Nita Parker Ryan [email protected]

Back again, I was just checking the SEVIER FAMILY HISTORY WITH THE LETTERS OF GEN. jOHN SEVIER.. We got it from Nancy Sevier Madden at a Sevier Family Reunion in Gatlainburg, Tenn. On page 221 it states that Sarah was a child of Joseph Hawkins and Sarah Marlin. i think the Marlins were neighbors of George Washington. Her biography says Joseph Hawkins had established a large trading postin a stockade or fort in what was then Fredrick County, Virginia When Indians attacked, John left Sarah with her father's store and led a group of local farmers in an attack on the Indians. He took most of the bullets, so Sarah began melting lead to pour more bullets for her family and 2 or 3 neighbors. She was small and light, but far from frail- she ran things after that when her husband took on added military duties and followed him to Fort Nollichucky. She died in Tennessee somewhere in a Fort while under Indian attack and after childbirth attack and John saw that all 10 of their children were present at her secret burial outside the fort and in blinding rain and lightning. She was noted for her hospitally towards Gen. McDowell and all others driven from homes by Indians. ( One of John's grandsons, Daniel, was a half Cherokee Governor of Arkansas). Another, Augustus King was a Missouri Governor whose family came to Stephenville, Texas to escape Missouri turmoil. Some claim Richard King of the King Ranch in Texas was a Sevier descendant. Now- Brace yourself- John appointed my wife's ancestor as sheriff and on the first Commisioner's court of Knox County. that was Jeremiah Jack, elder of Holston Presbyterian Church, where John sometimes visited. Jeremiah's kin were Col. Thomas Gillespie and George Gillespie of Gillespie's Fort, who, with John and under Jackson's orders sacked and burned the Blue Cherokee Peace City of Refuge, Etowa, and scatterred the ashes. Some Seviers and Wylys were in Texas before 1845. . One more- Grandad Henry Carey of Arkansas had a great Uncle James, apparently the same one as the James Carey who was already in Tennessee and was hired as a Cherokee translater. Sevier mentions him in his letters. Nancy Creedmore (White or Smith?) in her book called KNOXVILLE said that James Carey was a mesenger for the frontier militia. He had a letter which some say he was supposed to have burned about negotiating with the Spanish to keep the Mississippi open to the Gulf. Colonial Gov. William Blont, now Senator, was the intended recipient of the message. Stories differ as to how, but the letter Carey was carrying showed up on the floor of the U.S. Senate, and was being read when Blont and his brother Willie, his secretary, returned from a rest room break, hhich was no doubt outside. Charges were brought to impeach Blonty. He returned to Knoxville and refused to return to Washington. An arrest warrant was issued by the U.S.Senate and the man sent to do the arresting was accompanied by a large group of friends of Blont with rifles, constantly reminding him William Blont was not leaving knoxville under arrest or the arresting officer would not return to Washington. He finally took the hint and left. (Willie Blont pronounced his name Wyly) in closing, it seems my great great grandad James T stone and Neil McLennan of Waco, who helpped organize Erath County, Texas, where the Stones and Careys settled. Both Mr. Stone and Mr. McLennan were born in Flat Rock Creek, Bedford., so my history is not a straight chart but more like the swirls we did as handwriting, constantly looping and connecting. Take care charles Augustine Wyly On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:50:43 +0000 Harold Miller <[email protected]> writes: >At 02:16 PM 9/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Good Afternoon, >>I noted you had a Hawkins in your last note on German immigrants in >Ky. I >>am descended from Sarah Hawkins, first wife of Gov. & Gen. John >Sevier. >>He left Virginia Military Institute at age 17, speaking 6 languages >and > > >I only had to get as far as the first sentance, Charles, and I was >shouting >- 'Yes, Yes..... > >Seiver was with Peter Turney in a lot of stuff. I have followed him, >because Peter was always near by. I have loved the story of how he >met his >second wife, think they aught to make it into a movie for the romance >channel. I have not read your message in detail, but sure I will be >getting >back to you. Yes, this is the group ole Peter Turney hung out with, >he was >sheriff in Lost State of Franklin...a real political animal. I am >from his >brother Henry who was with the Cumberland Group. So we will swap info >on >Shelby, Campbell, Looney, etc. Never have so many future leaders come >from >such a small group as the ones who set up the country of Franklin, or >from >their sons who watched them in action. Real political people I >guess. > >Sarah stayed in VA, do you know more about where she was living? I >understand she was not strong, so he went to the frontier without her, >and >she later died in VA. > >Wasn't one of the Hawkin men married to daughter of Joist Hite? > >Mary > > > >==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to >[email protected] if you are subscribed to the >list, >or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the >digest. >In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe >

Hello, i am researching the BROWN's and BELK's of North Carolina. In the 1830's they traveled from Mecklenburg (Union) Co, NC to TN, then in 1840's they traveled back to NC and late 1840's to Benton CO Ar. Was wondering if anyone else is searching this family, or searching this migration? Main names I am searching is Alfred BROWN and Narcissus BELK, their son Jackson M BROWN and his wife Beulah Ann SCHULER. Thanx Evelynmarie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I am looking for informaion on the parents of William B. Adams b. Jan 28,1833 NC died Jan 9, 1902 in MS. I am looking for a census report in years of 1880 and 1890 census in MS on William B.Adams and family also.Any information would be appreciated. Marjorie Adams Cummings [email protected]

Good Afternoon, I noted you had a Hawkins in your last note on German immigrants in Ky. I am descended from Sarah Hawkins, first wife of Gov. & Gen. John Sevier. He left Virginia Military Institute at age 17, speaking 6 languages and married Sarah, age 16 and was sent by the Virginia Governor to build Fort Watauga in the Territory south of the Ohio. She died during an Indian siege and Col. Sevier insisted she be buried outside the fort with all chikldren present. They sneaked out during a heavy thunderstoorm with lightning flashing, buried her, hid her grave, and coverred it with brush. It has never been found- she is not buried by her monument on the old Capitol Grounds in Knoxville, Tenn. One of Sarah's granddaughters, Sarah Hawkins Clark, married Gen. James Rutherford Wyly, grandson of James Wyly and Col. Ben Cleveland.They lived inBlont County, Tenn., Gordon County, Ga. , and Clarkesville- Toccoa Ga. area. Sarah's mom Elizabeth Sevier died when she was 7 and her dad, Maj. Clark, was active in the Army. We have letters from 1918 from her children which claim she lived with her grandad Sevier and was married in his home when he was the first Tennessee Governor. Others deny this. Her step grandmother would have been Bonny Kate (Kathryn) Sherrill who also had a daughter named Sarah Hawjins Sevier. Some Pa. Germans came south through Va. to North Georgia, Alpine Helen, before going into Kentucky, which seems backwards. Not many of this group stayed "Up north in Ky". Gen. Wyly's mom's second husband, Evangelist Edwards or "Evan Eddards" on some records was killed by Indians in 1796 and scalpped with Wyly and Edwards children present.A hunting party saved them. One Hawkins of Sulfur Springs , Texas is also a Carey descendant (My mom's family) with Arkansas Roots. Do you know any more about the above names? Jemima's name is listed as Jemima (Myers) Cleveland Wyly Edwards Cleveland. Most records do not show the Myers name. Some have it crossed it out. The Cleveland Genealolgies of 1890's for Prsident Grover Cleveland say Jemima was Col. Ben's daughter Col. Ben treated her as his daughter in land gifts and she was in his will. This link was accepted by the DAR in a supplement to one Cousin's application based on Kay, Sevier, and another or two. The Cleveland Geneaologies are extensive in several volumes but have obvious typesetting errors. Take care, Charles Wyly On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:02:53 +0000 Harold Miller <[email protected]> writes: >>Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:39:42 -0700 (PDT) >>Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT) >>From: Theresa Richardson <[email protected]> >>Subject: KY to MO > >>Hi, I am wondering if anyone is familiar with this movement? One of >my >>big brickwalls is listed as: >> >>American citizens from Kentucky petition for land in Ste Genevieve >>1797" written in French and English. Across it sideways is "Petition >>from inhabitants of Kentucky (cant read) for land in which to settle >? >>near Ste Genevieve 1797" >> >>This is Ste. Genevieve, Mo. My ancestor is Michael Burtcher and he >>recieved land with brothers Sebastian, Bartholomew and brother in >law >>Peter Bloom/Blume. The name is found spelled Burtcher, Burcher, >>Butcher, Bucher, Brutcher and Burtscher. >> >>They are also listed elsewhere as German and stonemason's. Peter >Bloom >>is listed on census as being born in MD so I do not know if they >were >>traveling through KY or stopped for a few years. >> >>Thanks in advance for any help. >> >>Theresa Richardson > >I found in some Matheny stuff a mention that might help Theresa > >Daniel Matheny is in 1785 head of household of Shenandoah County VA >along >with my Turneys. They lived just south of Millervelt which would soon >be >renamed Woodstock, Virginia. It seems to be to have begun with a >group of >German speaking people, many were Swiss. My Peter Turney had been a >linenweaver in Switzerland, his brother was a stonemason. Anyway, two >of >the daughters of Daniel Matheny married two sons of Peter Turney. >Peter >Turney lived next to Abraham Bird and his Hawkins son-in-law on >Shenandoah >River. >In 1787 the Turneys and Mathenys sell their land, 1789 they appear in >Lincoln Co KY tax list. Seems a lot of the people in that area were >going >to KY at that time. Nearby Rockingham Co VA, Turner/Murphy group was >making >the same move. > >Anyway, I found a reference to another daughter of Daniel Matheny >Rachel m 28 Sep 1790 Peter Bloomee/Blonee >this from a Matheny and Allied Families book by Dolores Matheny >Gucciardo. >her source given: >Will bk B, pg 217 Bourbon Co., Eestates; court and other records. Tax >list >1790 Ky. census, Mar 1791. Mary married in Hardin Co., KY, all others >m. in >Bourbon Co., KY. Son-in-law, Daniel Turney mentioneed in will. > >Will do some more looking on your names, but would seem at least the >Blume/etc. spent some time in Kentucky. > >Daniel Turney and wife Susan Matheny are buried Paris, Kentucky - >right >along a major trail from Cumberland Gap to Ohio river. > >Michael Turney and wife Ellen/Ellender Matheny - dont know where she >died. >In 1818 Michael shows up in Bond County Illinois, later to Fayette Co >Illinois. His children, some stay in Illinois, two to Texas, one to >MO. > >so it would seem your family is following a very common route - used >by many >German speaking people and others out of Shenandoah Valley of va. By >the >way, Turneys came in to US thru Philadelphia in 1741, but think they >spent >some time in Maryland. Other Swiss some came in thru Maryland in >1750s. So >I would check ship records of Philadelphia and Maryland. > >Mary [email protected] > > >==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== >If someone sends a warning about an email virus or asks you to send >ANY >message to everybody you know, check out these site to see if it's for >real: >IBM AntiVirus Home Page >http://www.av.ibm.com >McAfee: Virus Hoaxes >http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.asp >or one of these sites which are very good about virus and >chainletter hoaxes or myths: >http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html >http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html >http://kumite.com/myths/myths/ >

Hi, Theresa, maybe i can help, but I may just add more smoke. One line on my tree are the German YOWELL , of Pennsylvania and Georgia (Uhl- Yuel) and possibly with a short stay in Scotland. They have spread into Waco and Killeen and surrounding areas. another branch- my grandma Carey was born into were the descendants of 3 Hipp Brothers, 1740 ish, who left 70 miles south of Manheim, Germany and settled in the Carolinas with a land grant from the British king , obtained when they lived in England for a few years. I suspect they lived in or near Switzerland or Czechoslovakia- at least place names show that influence. It was illegal to be a Czechslovakian back then, or fly the flag or speak the language in public. All enterred the U.S. as "German" until World War I or earlier. Many of German and Bohemian background came as company employes of Oklahoma or Thurber or Newcastle , Texas coal mines. The coal made bricks and powerred California bound trains. I knew men who spoke Czech in West, McLennan County, Texas in 1960's who had mined coal in Newcastle. They settled among German Lutheran, Baptist, Moravian Brethern, Evangelical, and Catholic Germans of 2 waves of earlier settlement in many Texas counties. , like Rear Admiral Nimntz of Fredricksburg, Texas. I also suspect you may be running into Germans who may show up on the Cherokee rolls as intermarried or who had brotheres or sisters who were. Some Arkansas Hipp families are on the Cherokee rolls. The first Cherokee Nation was across the Mississippi going west in Arkansas, Missouri, and Indian Territory ( Oklahoma). Jesse James's mother was Choctaw. Some claimed land as tribal members and their siblings were not. Once all land was allotted to members, their non Indian kin would show up and buy or homestead land. Many of his associates had Indian blood, including Brushy Bill Roberts, AKA Billy The Kid of Lincoln County, N.M. and Hico, Texas. In Arkansas, the heart of this was the Ozarks centerred around Maysville and Fort Smith. and Eureka Springs and the War Eagle River. It was settled with some Anglo named intermarried by 1840. This did not make the ones forced out of the east on the Trails of Tears very happy to find their best land taken by strangers who looked, lived, and acted like Anglos. Sam Houston's Tennessee childhood friend , John Jolly was in Arkansas when Houston came to Texas in the 1830's . Houston declared the land north and east of Tyler, Texas as Indian reservation when he was President of Texas. . Pres. Lamar said no reservation, but all were welcome, no questions asked. Check the Cherokee and Choctaw rolls in your local library or contact the National Indian Records and library in Fort Worth, Texas. Happy Hunting, Charles Wyly . On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Theresa Richardson <[email protected]> writes: > > >Hi, I am wondering if anyone is familiar with this movement? One of >my >big brickwalls is listed as: > >American citizens from Kentucky petition for land in Ste Genevieve >1797" written in French and English. Across it sideways is "Petition >from inhabitants of Kentucky (cant read) for land in which to settle >? >near Ste Genevieve 1797" > >This is Ste. Genevieve, Mo. My ancestor is Michael Burtcher and he >recieved land with brothers Sebastian, Bartholomew and brother in law >Peter Bloom/Blume. The name is found spelled Burtcher, Burcher, >Butcher, Bucher, Brutcher and Burtscher. > >They are also listed elsewhere as German and stonemason's. Peter >Bloom >is listed on census as being born in MD so I do not know if they were >traveling through KY or stopped for a few years. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Theresa Richardson >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > >==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to >[email protected] if you are subscribed to the >list, >or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the >digest. >In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe >

Hi, I want to thank Mary Miller and Judy for all the info they sent and the time they put in to answering my post on my family going from Ky to Mo. Thank you:-) Theresa Richardson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

At 02:16 PM 9/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >Good Afternoon, >I noted you had a Hawkins in your last note on German immigrants in Ky. I >am descended from Sarah Hawkins, first wife of Gov. & Gen. John Sevier. >He left Virginia Military Institute at age 17, speaking 6 languages and I only had to get as far as the first sentance, Charles, and I was shouting - 'Yes, Yes..... Seiver was with Peter Turney in a lot of stuff. I have followed him, because Peter was always near by. I have loved the story of how he met his second wife, think they aught to make it into a movie for the romance channel. I have not read your message in detail, but sure I will be getting back to you. Yes, this is the group ole Peter Turney hung out with, he was sheriff in Lost State of Franklin...a real political animal. I am from his brother Henry who was with the Cumberland Group. So we will swap info on Shelby, Campbell, Looney, etc. Never have so many future leaders come from such a small group as the ones who set up the country of Franklin, or from their sons who watched them in action. Real political people I guess. Sarah stayed in VA, do you know more about where she was living? I understand she was not strong, so he went to the frontier without her, and she later died in VA. Wasn't one of the Hawkin men married to daughter of Joist Hite? Mary

>Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:39:42 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT) >From: Theresa Richardson <[email protected]> >Subject: KY to MO >Hi, I am wondering if anyone is familiar with this movement? One of my >big brickwalls is listed as: > >American citizens from Kentucky petition for land in Ste Genevieve >1797" written in French and English. Across it sideways is "Petition >from inhabitants of Kentucky (cant read) for land in which to settle ? >near Ste Genevieve 1797" > >This is Ste. Genevieve, Mo. My ancestor is Michael Burtcher and he >recieved land with brothers Sebastian, Bartholomew and brother in law >Peter Bloom/Blume. The name is found spelled Burtcher, Burcher, >Butcher, Bucher, Brutcher and Burtscher. > >They are also listed elsewhere as German and stonemason's. Peter Bloom >is listed on census as being born in MD so I do not know if they were >traveling through KY or stopped for a few years. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Theresa Richardson I found in some Matheny stuff a mention that might help Theresa Daniel Matheny is in 1785 head of household of Shenandoah County VA along with my Turneys. They lived just south of Millervelt which would soon be renamed Woodstock, Virginia. It seems to be to have begun with a group of German speaking people, many were Swiss. My Peter Turney had been a linenweaver in Switzerland, his brother was a stonemason. Anyway, two of the daughters of Daniel Matheny married two sons of Peter Turney. Peter Turney lived next to Abraham Bird and his Hawkins son-in-law on Shenandoah River. In 1787 the Turneys and Mathenys sell their land, 1789 they appear in Lincoln Co KY tax list. Seems a lot of the people in that area were going to KY at that time. Nearby Rockingham Co VA, Turner/Murphy group was making the same move. Anyway, I found a reference to another daughter of Daniel Matheny Rachel m 28 Sep 1790 Peter Bloomee/Blonee this from a Matheny and Allied Families book by Dolores Matheny Gucciardo. her source given: Will bk B, pg 217 Bourbon Co., Eestates; court and other records. Tax list 1790 Ky. census, Mar 1791. Mary married in Hardin Co., KY, all others m. in Bourbon Co., KY. Son-in-law, Daniel Turney mentioneed in will. Will do some more looking on your names, but would seem at least the Blume/etc. spent some time in Kentucky. Daniel Turney and wife Susan Matheny are buried Paris, Kentucky - right along a major trail from Cumberland Gap to Ohio river. Michael Turney and wife Ellen/Ellender Matheny - dont know where she died. In 1818 Michael shows up in Bond County Illinois, later to Fayette Co Illinois. His children, some stay in Illinois, two to Texas, one to MO. so it would seem your family is following a very common route - used by many German speaking people and others out of Shenandoah Valley of va. By the way, Turneys came in to US thru Philadelphia in 1741, but think they spent some time in Maryland. Other Swiss some came in thru Maryland in 1750s. So I would check ship records of Philadelphia and Maryland. Mary [email protected]

Hi, I am wondering if anyone is familiar with this movement? One of my big brickwalls is listed as: American citizens from Kentucky petition for land in Ste Genevieve 1797" written in French and English. Across it sideways is "Petition from inhabitants of Kentucky (cant read) for land in which to settle ? near Ste Genevieve 1797" This is Ste. Genevieve, Mo. My ancestor is Michael Burtcher and he recieved land with brothers Sebastian, Bartholomew and brother in law Peter Bloom/Blume. The name is found spelled Burtcher, Burcher, Butcher, Bucher, Brutcher and Burtscher. They are also listed elsewhere as German and stonemason's. Peter Bloom is listed on census as being born in MD so I do not know if they were traveling through KY or stopped for a few years. Thanks in advance for any help. Theresa Richardson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com