At 02:06 PM 9/19/99 -0500, you wrote: >Joy here, I found the little book Battle Of Pea Ridge, March 7 & 8, 1862 >There is a list of Confederate Soldiers taken from Pension records, also the >Roster of Stand Watie's Cherokee Brigade. I doubt the lists are complete >but if you're looking for a particular person I'll see if he is listed. -j- Is that the battle where some of the Indians on the Union side scalped some of their victims? At some battle, Union Indians did that and it caused a big scandal at the time - especially in the southern newspapers. Native Americans fought on both sides, USA and CSA. But my ancestor many years later in his pension papers was talking about being in the 10th AR at Ft Scott, Kansas - where he was captured. He was still very upset that the Union had used Indians in the line, also Black troops. For some reason he sounded like that was adding insult to injury.... Speaking of Black Troops, another big scandal in the Northern papers of the time was Ft Pillow, where Nathan Bedford Forrest killed all the Black Troops who had surrendered. so it seems even in that bloody war, there were some things that happened which people thought were going beyond normal warfare. Mary

found these www.bright.net/~Kat/melung.htm The Mulungeon Outpost e-mail list & archives surnames Mulungeon time line Mysterious Melungeons Appalachian Research links www.melungeons.org/ A Mulungeon HomePage recent articles What's a Melungeon Research aids Mary

My favorite subject, 1860-1865 in Northwest Arkansas.... For example: There was a group of people centered around Searcy County Arkansas, but think some men from Van Buren County and other nearby counties with family ties to Searcy County were included. They formed a secret society called Peace Society. When the vote was taken to leave or stay with the Union....NW Arkansas voted to stay. Kind of like part of Virginia which became West Virginia. (for some reason, it seems to me many of the areas in mountains, TN, KY, NC, etc at first wanted to stay in the Union). When the vote finally went for AR to leave Union, the governor of Arkansas sent army up to Searcy County to round up this Peace Society. They had a dawn raid, caught a lot of them, chained them two by two with heavy logging chains....thus they were called the chain gang. Marched them to Little Rock. Special session was called with Governor in charge, told the men to either join CSA or be shot.....so they all joined. This is such an interesting story what happened to those men. Some stayed in CSA and were killed, one was a Turney killed at Pea Ridge, one Turney from chain gang made it home. Others as soon as possible escaped from CSA and joined USA. Boman Turney before the battle of Shiloh, told his relative who was with him, that he was going to try to escape during the battle. After the battle, his relatives found him shot in the back of the head. The CSA said he had gotten shot running from the battle as a coward. His family always felt he had been shot by CSA trying to run to Union lines. A good book on Peace Society YELLAR RAG BOYS also think there is a list of members on Searcy Co Ar genweb page. now go back a few years to ca 1840 I will say it again. find these little towns on Arkansas map Higden in Cleburne County (near Heber Springs) (was Van Buren till 1880s) Snowball in Searcy County (find Leslie and go north, little west) Crooked Creek or Bellefonte in Boone County (near Harrison) now draw a line between these 3 spots....this was first migration route in that area from 1834-1840s. You will find one Eoff in VBC, one in CArroll/Boone. One Potter in VBC, one in Searcy County. Etc. I have always said there needs to be a group for those first families who settled along that line since it covers more than one county. So many people do not realize that a first settler in Van Buren county might have had a sister who went to Searcy County. Or one brother in one county, another further along the line. If you are researching first families in that area, you have to look along that line to find their relatives, and the people they lived next to before the move to Arkansas. These people did come in groups. And one relative would come, the next year a brother would follow. The connections between families along this line will knock your socks off. For example: 1820s a lot of people left area of Smith Co Tennessee (would include what later was Cannon, Dekalb, etc). They went to Illinois, but by 1840 or so you find them in Arkansas. Some of their neighbors and relatives stayed in TN but moved to Arkansas in late 1830s, early 1840s.....so they met up again. And they stayed in contact up to 1860....some of them went off together to fight in Mexican War together. Why would a Turney from Boone county go off with a Campbell from Searcy Co to Mexican War? Because, the Boone Co Turney, his brother settled in Searcy Co and the Campbell had married into that family. When you look at roster rolls for any of the wars or little battles from 1800 - 1860, I can tell you ..... you will find your ancestor in same unit as his cousins, his wife's family, his mother's family....they will have different surnames, but relatives served together. So really look at those roster sheets and check out some of the other names. Enough I guess. Mary Turney Miller [email protected]

At 12:40 AM 9/19/99 PDT, you wrote: >Wondering if anyone out there knows abt any battles in AR during the civil >war, on or around March 14th 1865? Two if my ancestors (whom were brothers) >dies on this day and al it states as place is Civil War AR. I think the Battle of Pea Ridge/Prairie Grove was in March of 1862....but some of that land did kind of go back and forth several times between CSA and USA. It is the date of March 1865....the war was almost over. By that time, I would think your ancestors died either fighting Union men or bushwackers - bushwackers killed anyone they met regardless of uniform color. If your ancestors were CSA, and you think they might have run afoul of a Union patrol....those records are available. Each patrol wrote a report and those you can still see. The Union had no trouble saving its records... What area are we talking about anyway? Where did they come from I guess is what I am asking, and were they USA or CSA? If USA, then as I said, there were pretty good records kept. Things were in such a mess in NW Arkansas, southern MO, etc by 1865. Remember every school, church, store, bridge, ferry had been destroyed. Many men going home died along the way - either from disease or some lawless gang, etc set upon them. Give me all the info you have as far as where they were from, name, etc. Mary

My great-grandfather, Jonathan Howton, and his wife, Elizabeth Franklin, had two sons in Mississipi. My grandfather, Alfred Franklin Houghton, was born in 1885 in Lee county, MS. I'm told they migrated to Arkansas. By the time the 1900 census was taken, they were in Lamar county in Texas. Would anyone be able to tell me where in Arkansas, according to the routes of that time, they were most likely to have lived in for a short period of time? Thanks. Joe Houghton

At 12:30 PM 9/19/99 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, does anyone know about trails used to go back and forth between Asheville NC and Greeneville TN? > >Thanks, Marian >[email protected] this is exactly what I have wanted to know, and never really got a good answer. How did they go from that part of VA over Smokey Mountains into TN....seems there must have been trails, I think part of VA a bit more north-east had mines in mountains.....but that very southern part of VA and NC.....there are some real mountains between them and Tennessee. Did they go around, say thru the northeastern tip of GA and back to TN? Since in early times they used rivers.... I know that ca 1804 people were coming out of Patrick County Virginia into TN...I know where they came in more or less, but where is the pass thru the mountains? What was it called? I have traveled by car from Asheville NC thru Smokey Mountain national park into TN....and that is where my family was located. But even today in a car, that is a bit of a climb. How would they have moved except on foot in early times? I am sure hunters would use that route, but when moving a family with animals, possissions, etc.....they most likely would have used a water route? Mary

ask Ed Gerdes or that group www.insolwwb.net/~egerdes/ is his webpage and there is an address there to get to him. I bet he could help you. That is getting so late in the war, but remember that USA and CSA troops were roaming around all the time in Arkansas, as were the bushwackers. It was under control of Union, but CSA troops were kind of guirellas (sp). Mary At 12:40 AM 9/19/99 PDT, you wrote: >Wondering if anyone out there knows abt any battles in AR during the civil >war, on or around March 14th 1865? Two if my ancestors (whom were brothers) >dies on this day and al it states as place is Civil War AR. Plus, does >anyone know of any good genealogy sites dealing with the Civil War, and >researching Civil War ancestors? >Thank You >Eve'

http://genweb.net/~gen-cds/index.html This home page is interesting and then if you click on her "genealogy" you will get an amazing list of sites. She really did share. Thanks to all of you for sharing too. Dene Weathersbee in Texas

In a message dated 9/18/99 8:41:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << and the rootsweb site I had on Indian Captives did not work >> I put these on my machine before copy/pasting here and they both go to a main page just chuck full of links. The lower URL had an Indian Captives site in it. I have several more Native American URLs if any one is interested and they are not duplicates of these. If anyone is interested or wishes me to add to your list just let me know and I will do so. As there has been several persons that have shareed with me and I will share back. BJ in AZ PS I know it mentions NM state but they are national information also. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Native+Americans&y=y&r=Regional%02U.S.+States %02New+Mexico Native Americans 39 catagories----------1220 sites http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Native+American+Genealogy&y=y&r=Regional%02U. S.+States%02New+Mexico Native American Genealogy

Hi, does anyone know about trails used to go back and forth between Asheville NC and Greeneville TN? Thanks, Marian [email protected]

Good morning, thanks to all for the info on Jesse JAMES. Sorry it took so long to thank you, had to take time to help with a brand new grandbaby. Never thought I'd get this old. Annette in Arizona

Wondering if anyone out there knows abt any battles in AR during the civil war, on or around March 14th 1865? Two if my ancestors (whom were brothers) dies on this day and al it states as place is Civil War AR. Plus, does anyone know of any good genealogy sites dealing with the Civil War, and researching Civil War ancestors? Thank You Eve' PS...for those posting genealogy sites, here are my favotite sites: www.gendex.com www.rootsweb.com www.familysearch.com www.usgenweb.com www.genforum.com Happy Researching Everyone !! Surnames Im researching: Brown, Belk, Middlebrook/s, Schuler ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

My mind has gone tonight.... suggest you try any of the State Library sites. I know the one for Virginia has a map site with early maps that is great, also North Carolina and Tennessee have great stuff. Just browse around. Mary

I forgot one NARA website where you can order form 180 military records www.nara.gov/regional/mpr.html there is also one for Department of Land Management - but cannot find it at this moment. It should be easy to find - you can find some good stuff. Mary

Hope I do not repeat what someone else has sent in, here are my favorite sites: with what has been going on on the east coast - Hurricane Hunter's Photo Album http://members.aol.com/hotelq/index.html (the q as in quit, not as in good) this is done by a man who flew those planes into eye of the hurricane .... Genweb - state sites: many good ones, but here are a couple I use a lot Pulaski County Virginia - line to Wilderness Road Museum with original documents and a map www.rootsweb.com/~vapulask/wrmm/index.htm links to New River Historical Society Sullivan Co Tennessee Genweb page HOW DID THEY GET HERE - with map and text Reginoal and State maps Cumberland Settlement and State of Franklin c1800 roads and early settlements www.rootsweb.com/~varockbr/pntplsnt.htm Rockbridge County Virginia Genweb page Blazing a Wilderness Trail Battle of Point Pleasant - with lists of men there Chalkey's Chronicles Scotch-Irish so many more of the county pages are great, just look in the area where you think your ancestor was located. http://istg.rootsweb.com/ Rootsweb Immigrant ships list - check it now and then as they keep adding www.surnameweb.org/ list of surnames with genforum pages - where others with working on your surname can swap info.....or try www.genforum.com/turney in place of turney - put your surname http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/wpaintro/wpahome.html American Memory Page Federal Writers Project 1936-1946 Part of the WPA - sent out people to interview elderly people in 1936-1946 time frame....great stuff www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online Texas Handbook great place with all kinds of info about Texas www.insolwwb.net/~egerdes/ Ed Gerdes Civil War page this is at the top of my list, if you are researching NW Arkansas, this has Union and CSA units, lots of good stuff....all Arkansas units. Also links to other CW pages www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9198/revwar/revindex.htm battles of Revolutionary War used to have another good one, but could not get in to it tonight www.itd.mps.gov/cwss/ Civil War Soldiers & Sailors basic facts colored troops done by National Park Services www.wwns.com/clay/tourism/avery/avery.html Avery Trace map this I use a lot cause my family migrated along this trail http://members.aol.com/RoadTrails/roadtrai.html Migration - Early American Roads and Trails 16 major early roads - including Oregon Trail This is a must see www.access1.net/lorriev/ Oregon Pioneer Bios http://rosecity.net/tears/trail/map.html Trail of Tears good maps www.ancestry.com/FreeImages.asp?ImageId=322 map of Tennessee Country 1748-1775 Holston, Watauga, Drapers Meadows, etc. www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/5649 Appalachian Quarterly for KY, NC, TN, VA, WVA the address I had for the Ozarks Geneological Society did not work tonight, that was a good site my Mulungeon site did not work tonight - and the rootsweb site I had on Indian Captives did not work my address for the 1828-1900 RailRoad maps did not work, will look at American Memories page again, since I think it linked off of that. I helped me so much because this had the original maps as surveyed for railroads, if you wanted to follow the route an ancestor might have traveled if he was working on building the railroads. I was able to follow thru Texas to Arizona, finding the towns as they were named then where he might have lived, counties, etc. So I want to find this page again. Hope this is some help. Of course, Cindi's page, any of the Genweb pages for states and counties, those are all a first place to look. Mary

In a message dated 9/18/99 9:28:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [email protected] writes: << All of us on-line, generate searches........let's share web sites with each other. >> If anyone is looking for Coffee or Graves families or history of some of CSA Regiments, try http://members.home.net/leeyukon Great site with a lot of good stuff. Web master has done a wonderful job. Betty.

Ladies and gentlemen: I posted not long ago, a list of web site suggestions for the "newbies." Here is my suggestion: All of us on-line, generate searches........let's share web sites with each other.....you may have one that we don't know about, however insignificant you may deem it...............IT WOULD BE A "NEW" AVENUE of research for all of us - we may benefit from it today. Are you willing to share? Gwen Leonard

In a message dated 9/14/99 6:21:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Gwen, These are excellent. Have done genealogy for years, but am always thankful for new sites. Just one suggestion to the others that they probably know. If they forward your message to themselves and space between the "....." and www, it will enable them to just click onto the sites. Thanks again for the suggestions. Marlene >> I am always interested in new sites and there were some here that I did not know about and am sharing them with friends. Thank you Marlene. Why go to that extra trouble when you can just copy/paste the URL into the address bar. That is how I have done it for months. My son taught me that. I do file all URLs, into folders for saving also, put them in favorite places and make hard copies that way they are somewhere that I can get to them and not loose them from a crash or something. BJ in AZ

Saturday, Sept. 18. 1999 from Waco- Tribune- Herald Falls County Judge Mike Meyer ended another chapter in the battle among family members when he refused to allow the body of James Layafette Courtneyto be exhumed for DNA tests requested by his great Granddaughter Betty Dorsett Duke. She is the author of the relatively new book 'JESSE JAMES LIVED AND DIED IN TEXAS'. He is buried in Blevins cemetery off I-35 a few miles. This was the second hearing and all the family know the story but a grandson raised by Mr Courtney leads the move to just let the grave alone and let the man rest in peace. Betty Duke claims the family is comfortable with the story as a story but are ashamed to see it actually proved. She points out that there are other ways to prove it. The judge says the court believes in the sanctity of the grave and the evidence has not risen to the necessary level for him to grant opening the grave. Ms. Duke said "They think Jesse was a cold blooded killer and do not realize he was just a part of the Civil War " He did serve in the Confederate army, as I understand it. Duke's attorney is Jim Rodman of Austin, Texas. She spent 4 years researching the book in Missouri, Texas and elsewhere. Other relatives have also started researching. Wonder if any can produce an authentic DAR acceptable Courtney family history and tree back beyond James Lafayette Courtney?? Lisa Davis, reporter is at [email protected] or 254-757- 5735 Just thought someone with a lot of time might do or have a Courtney Family History to prove if his roots are Courtney or James. A Frank James had a ranch southeast of Blevins several miles past Westphalia. on the County line down Hwy 6. Just thought someone might be interested, Charles A. Wyly

If you are sending a request for the Social Security record of a relative, you will need to supply the following information: FULL NAME DATE OF BIRTH DATE OF DEATH S.S. # AND........ PROOF OF DEATH......EITHER A COPY OF THE OBITUARY OR VERIFICATION FROM THE FUNERAL HOME I request both grandfather's and they kicked it back to me for "proof" of their deaths. Cost: $7.00 (don't expect it returned in 20 days........more like 3-6 months.) ADDRESS: Social Security Administration Office of Disclosure Policy 3-A-6 Security Blvd. Baltimore, MD 21235 I have included this link for the S.S. Administration - check under "Fee Schedule for Frequently Requested Records." Also info in case you do not have the S.S. #., fees, etc. <A HREF="http://www.ssa.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm">Freedom of Information Guide</A> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- FOR RAILROAD RETIREMENT RECORDS: U.S. RAILROAD RETIREMENT BOARD 844 N. Rush St. Chicago, IL 60611-2092 Hope this helps! Gwen L.