Hi Folks Just a few observations from one who spent his early years in East Ky. One: The life expectancy was probably greater for women whose husbands had died. Two: As the children came along they were cogs in the family wheel; doing all of the chores that their age allowed. Some of these chores at exceedingly young ages. Boys behind plows before the age of ten. Girls with sibblings on their hips by the age of Six. At some point depending on the mix of sons and daughters, the mother was more or less just a taskmaster. At the end of a hard day in the fields,sitting on the front porch, the family chatter was about weather,crops,animals,relatives and news of distant thing that gradually filtered into these rural(no running water,no electricity) mountains. A lot further away than a key stroke. Herb Gayheart Jan Garland wrote: > Yes, and then, if there was anything available from the community to > help the widow and her kids, it was only for two years and she was > expected to remarry during that time. At least, that's the way it was in > LA and some other areas. > > Jan > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/20/99 7:18:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > << >(nappies) for years. Their life was hard. They also learned to handle a > > gun > > >as well as many men in case of gangs coming around to rob, steal, and rape > > >while the men of the house were in the fields or off to war. All their > > chores > > >where done without running water, unless you want to consider grabbing a > > >bucket and running to the spring and back, no indoor facilities other than > > >the chamber pot, no electricity, and no telephones. Our children and > > >grand-children haven't a clue as to what these women did to run a > > household. > > >Betty. >> > > How ruue. And then of course when their husband died or became incapicitated > > they had the fields and crops for which they had to also care. > > > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > > If someone sends a warning about an email virus or asks you to send ANY > > message to everybody you know, check out these site to see if it's for real: > > IBM AntiVirus Home Page > > http://www.av.ibm.com > > McAfee: Virus Hoaxes > > http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.asp > > or one of these sites which are very good about virus and > > chainletter hoaxes or myths: > > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html > > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html > > http://kumite.com/myths/myths/ > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to > [email protected] if you are subscribed to the list, > or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the digest. > In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe

This gives a bit of info re the area under Spainish and later French rule and the date of the Louisana purchase/this was in Missouri Early in the spring of 1800, William, Joseph and David Murphy returned to Missouri with their families. They were accompanied by a younger brother, Richard who came to establish a home for their widowed mother. Sarah Baton Murphy. Soon Mrs. Murphy and three other sons, Isaac, Jesse and Dubart; her only daughter, Sarah, a grandson William Evans; a hired hand and colored woman and boy followed. The journey was made by flat boat; down the Holston River into Ohio; thence to the Mississippi River and up to Ste. Genevieve, a distance of more than a thousand miles. Many places infested with hostile Indians, they managed to pass in the night; while keeping concealed along the banks during the day. When the party arrived at Ste. Genevieve the inhabitants gave them a rousing welcome. At the time of this settlement the area was under Spanish rule. On October 7, 1800, Spain ceded the whole of upper and lower Louisiana to France. It was not until our own Louisiana purchase on April 30, 1803 that this area became a part of the United States.

Come on Marian, don't leave us hanging in thin air. Please tell us the story. Sara > Speaking of southern women and their lives, has anyone heard the >"legend" of Frankie (Stewart) Silver, of Burke County? Not really a legend, >because it was true. But it is so dramatic it sounds like a tall story. > > Excuse the expression, but she was sort of the Lorena Bobbitt of >pre-1850 North Carolina. I wonder what really happened. There's a couple >of books about her, I hear tell one of them is pretty accurate. > >Marian

Does anyone on here know why this cemetery is named Altman, there seems to be no Altman's in it. I've been to it, and yes there are a few unmarked graves. The town near it is now a 'ghost' town, with only a handful of people there. I felt as if I was in a Stephen King movie driving through there, :-). Tonya Aultman-Harris [email protected] Researching: Aultman (AR, TX, MS),Cox (TX, OK), Parker (LA, TX), Peyton (MS)

Was there much migration from Tennessee, or from East Tennessee in particular, to Kansas after the turn of the century? Does anyone else know of families who migrated west to Kansas from TN? Where people recruited for jobs? Did they have any idea where they were going, or did they just pack up and go? Thank you, Marian

In a message dated 09/21/1999 7:58:06 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Speaking of southern women and their lives, has anyone heard the > "legend" of Frankie (Stewart) Silver, of Burke County? Not really a legend, > because it was true. But it is so dramatic it sounds like a tall story. Aw, come on. If you're not going to tell us the story at least give us the name of the books. Sounds interesting. Joyce

What a beautiful letter. Back to the subject: One line of my family - McKelduff - was in either North or South Carolina. We think these are ours. This name has been spelled so many ways. Anyway my grandfather was for in Carrollton, AL. We know that his mother's family, Marler, came from Fairfield district, South Carolina. How would they have come to Alabama? and later to Mississippi. Maybe finding the road they would have travelled would give us some idea of where the McKelduffs came from since so many of the families travelled together when going to a new place to settle. Betty.

Speaking of southern women and their lives, has anyone heard the "legend" of Frankie (Stewart) Silver, of Burke County? Not really a legend, because it was true. But it is so dramatic it sounds like a tall story. Excuse the expression, but she was sort of the Lorena Bobbitt of pre-1850 North Carolina. I wonder what really happened. There's a couple of books about her, I hear tell one of them is pretty accurate. Marian -----Original Message----- From: Jan Garland <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 9:24 AM Subject: Re: And then ocf course when their husband died...... >Yes, and then, if there was anything available from the community to >help the widow and her kids, it was only for two years and she was >expected to remarry during that time. At least, that's the way it was in >LA and some other areas. > >Jan > >[email protected] wrote: >> >> In a message dated 9/20/99 7:18:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> << >(nappies) for years. Their life was hard. They also learned to handle a >> gun >> >as well as many men in case of gangs coming around to rob, steal, and rape >> >while the men of the house were in the fields or off to war. All their >> chores >> >where done without running water, unless you want to consider grabbing a >> >bucket and running to the spring and back, no indoor facilities other than >> >the chamber pot, no electricity, and no telephones. Our children and >> >grand-children haven't a clue as to what these women did to run a >> household. >> >Betty. >> >> How true. And then of course when their husband died or became incapicitated >> they had the fields and crops for which they had to also care. >>

Yes, and then, if there was anything available from the community to help the widow and her kids, it was only for two years and she was expected to remarry during that time. At least, that's the way it was in LA and some other areas. Jan [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/20/99 7:18:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << >(nappies) for years. Their life was hard. They also learned to handle a > gun > >as well as many men in case of gangs coming around to rob, steal, and rape > >while the men of the house were in the fields or off to war. All their > chores > >where done without running water, unless you want to consider grabbing a > >bucket and running to the spring and back, no indoor facilities other than > >the chamber pot, no electricity, and no telephones. Our children and > >grand-children haven't a clue as to what these women did to run a > household. > >Betty. >> > How ruue. And then of course when their husband died or became incapicitated > they had the fields and crops for which they had to also care. > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > If someone sends a warning about an email virus or asks you to send ANY > message to everybody you know, check out these site to see if it's for real: > IBM AntiVirus Home Page > http://www.av.ibm.com > McAfee: Virus Hoaxes > http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.asp > or one of these sites which are very good about virus and > chainletter hoaxes or myths: > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html > http://kumite.com/myths/myths/

There are several small books published with the names of folks requesting passports. They're printed by the National Genealogical Society; they're publications Nos. 21 and 28. The names are Passports Issued by Governors of Georgia, 1785 to 1809, and Passports Issued by Governors of Georgia, 1810 to 1820. There were done by Mary G. Bryan; she was the Director, Georgia Department of Archives and History. Wanda Danner Mehlhoff

Regarding all the debate on the Civil War, War of the Rebellion, War between the States etc. Call me a cynic, but I think, based on general history studies, that economics had a lot to do with the war actually happening -- all the many economic tensions between the north and south -- tariffs, taxes, industrialization and, with western states coming on -- political power. Also states rights, but that became a code-phrase for racist later. But That alone would not have sold the war to the people of the north, gotten passions up. And for a lot of people in the north, the issue was slavery. But I think Southerners, the majority, fought more for independence than for slavery. and in the end to protect their homes. They may have been racist, but poor whites were not helped by slavery. Ann

Don't know if the South is only place in USA, but they came from across the ocean. It was someone's big idea of conservation of soil. They didn't realize it would grow anywhere and spread like wild fire! Bet they do now! It will over take almost anything and has to be sprayed to control. Kinda like ivy but a million times as fast growing. Joye <[email protected]> (Support Rootsweb! We need them!) http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Enterprises/8721/ Greenwood & Other SC Counties! -----Original Message----- From: Tonya Harris <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:50 PM Subject: Re: jesse James Is it only the south that has these vines instead of trees? :-) It must be in the water. Tonya Aultman-Harris [email protected] Researching: Aultman (AR, TX, MS),Cox (TX, OK), Parker (LA, TX), Peyton (MS) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:15 AM Subject: Re: jesse James > In a message dated 9/17/99 1:55:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!, [email protected] writes: > > << My great Grandad Robert > Wyly of Ga., Texas and Tulsa, Ok. was in the Civil War and died in Tulsa > after I started to school. He had 22 siblings and12 uncles and aunts, so > we don't have a family tree- more like a Kudzu vine >> > Only a Southerner will appreciate this. Betty. > > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to > [email protected] if you are subscribed to the list, > or [email protected] if you are subscribed to the digest. > In the body of your message put only the word unsubscribe > > ==== Southern-Trails Mailing List ==== Don't forget to check out Heading South: the Southern Trails Resource Page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~south1/trails1.htm

The enslaved African were KILLED for trying to learn to read or write.......... Walter, Wilm., DE

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Thanks to Mary, Jean, Karen, Dixie (and anyone else I may have missed!) for your input on the Alamo John Davis. I’ll check out all the websites that ya’ll shared and see what else I can find. I really don’t think he’s from my family since none of them went to KY as far as I’ve been able to determine thus far, but you know how it is with some family members who believe a certain thing - you have to show them proof that it isn’t true or they never believe you! :o) Had to do the same thing with a few who were determined we are descended from old Jeff Davis, CSA Pres. - & never have convinced some of them that he never had a surviving son to produce any progeny and our line couldn’t possibly be a direct descendant from him. Oh well!! Anyway, I really appreciate all the input - thanks! Betty

Hi, guess you know Jackson,s first law office was in the living of Amy Artis Wyly Taylor & Capt. Kitt Taylor , where he boarded.This is in the Wyly Saga by Johnathan K.T.Smith, Esq. of Tennesse. Also, guess you know about Sevier appointed Jackson to office and later fighting a duel with Jackson over remarks Sevier made about Jackson's wife, or was she? The North Carolina Legislature granded her permission to file for a divorce. Jackson, as an attorney, should have understood that. She and Jackson thought it was a final divorce, married illegally, and honeymooned in New Orleans. Jackson removed his gloves and slapped Sevier with them and challenged him to a duel. Jackson had killed one or more men in other duels. Later Grandpa (8 generations back) Sevier and Jackson met well out of town. Sevier was there first with his second. He placed his holster and pistols across his saddle. When Jackson rode up , dashing wrecklessly about, and waving his sword, he scared Sevier's horse, which ran away with the pistols. The seconds talked a n excited (Drinking?) Jackson down and stopped him from killing Sevier. In Tennessee they had their differences, but when Sevier was a U.S. Representative he and Jackson worked together for the good of Tennessee and protection for the overmountain country. North Carolina did not always pay in full to Frontier Militia, The Indians thought when Jackson started the Trail of Tears he was going back on his word and either was drinking too much (in his cups) or developing Altheimer's or whatevet it was called then. Sevier was contacted by the President to lead the Artmy in the War of 1812, but declined because of his age. His statue represents Tennessee in the Hall of State in Washington, D.C. and he , not Georgr Washington, is the central figure in the Mural DISCOVERY in the Tennessee Capitol, which is copied widely in textbooks and on calendars in the past. Take care, Charles Wyly

several people have asked about where to find this book John Armstrong's Entry Book go to www.mindspring.com/~sistler look under Tennessee land records I have ordered from Sistler and recommend them. You might also want History of the Lost State of Franklin by Samuel Cole Williams it tells all about Franklin, and at the end has bios of some of the men there. The Armstrong book is $30.00 - I hate to spend much on books, but think I will use this one a lot. Mary

At 07:00 PM 9/20/99 -0500, you wrote: The Georgia >Governor issued passports to travel in the Indian Nations and these >records are available for family research. > > >Take care, >Charles Wyly I have heard about these passports, where can they be found? Also, anyone going into Spanish Territory say before 1800 - maybe to Florida?, - where would those be. Someone told me of a passport made out to a Juan Turney for spanish territory right after Rev War - think he was coming out of NC. So where was spanish territory - would that also have been Georgia? I have not worked with that area, so do not know who owned what. also MO.....early records, who had that? French? Mary

Hi, Douglas, Please don't misunderstand me- my Scotch- Ancestors were indentured servants taking charge of a headwright possibly to avoid debtors prison and a free one way trip to Australia. One Wyly, a descendant of Scottish quakers in Ireland, contacted me from Australia last week from Adelaide. I feel slavery was wrong anywhere in the world at any time in history INCLUDING TODAY. wHERE ARE ALL THE bLEEDING HEARTS PROMOTING OUR MEDDLING ALL OVER THE WORLD EXCEPT FOR IN SEVERAL AFRICAN COUNTRIES TODAY ? They call it tribal and religious civil war. I thought that was what Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, and Bosnia was . What is the difference from a humanitarian standpoint. Read my post again about the Liberian National Choir which sant in our church here in Hewitt. I do not know of another country anywhere which has 51% of its kids under 18 who have seen their parents slaughterred by other tribes and 7 of the 11 or 12 young men were blinded by torture. We do nothing about it. Also, Freedom , Oklahoma in the Cherokee Strip near Canadian, Texas is made up of Cherokees with African roots., some intermarried. There were 3 Black Gentleman who assumed the Wyly name and with their own cash and wives and kids bought wagons and horses and furnishings and in 1865 they left the Wyly Wholesale Grocery at Peachtree and Pryor in Atlanta. Sherman did not burn it and it was open to 1890. The 36 wagons and livestock arrived in Stephenville, Texas in about 1868 and the 3 Black Wyly families went on to homestead land near Lubbock, Texas. Others live in Riverra Beach, Florida. They had been accepted by a Blue Peace City of Refuge , Nancy Ward's Echota or Old Chota or Etowah Tennessee and were accepted as blood brothers if they behaved. If not, they were dead. Andrew Jackson hated Etowa as an escape route from slavery and orderred Cols. Sevier and Gillespie to burn the town and fortifications and scatter the ashes. Old Chota, by some records, with its log and pole houses, ahd as many as 3000 runaway slaves, Indians, and Anglo traders and criminals . The Georgia Governor issued passports to travel in the Indian Nations and these records are available for family research. I have taught in Waco schools off & on for 20 years. Their ethnic makeup is about 40% Black, 35% Latin American (some with no Mexico roots) and the other includes Czechoslivakians, German , Norwegian, Oriental, and others.the last time I heard approximate count. Take care, Charles Wyly

Harold wrote: > Lincoln never won an election of any office he sought until he won the > presidental election. Abraham Lincoln served as an Illinois State Representative in the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th Illinois General Assemblies The rest of Harold's "statements" are too silly to even repond to.