Thanks for correction. Now, one more question: Where the island some sources called "The Long Island of the Holston"? Jeremiah Jack claimed it but could not prove his claim. Also Col. Ben Cleveland claimed a n island and could not prove clear title. His son in law James Wyly had also lived on the Island. When James.s son James Rutherford Wyly married Sarah Hawkins Clark, Gov. Sevier's granddaughter, in his Knoxville or Marble Springs home( The Governor's mansion was not finished but they may have married in an unfinished house. ) Also, was J.R. and Sarah basing their claims on the island abandoned by his grandad Col. Ben Cleveland, or was it a different island. James Sr. lived at Landin (Louden) , Tennessee when he died and had land and a home in Cass & Gordon County, Ga. where he married Barbara Fuqua then Mary Whittenburger. We found furnishings in the Blount house behind his "Mansion" AND in the Ramsey with gold nametags indicationg that John Sevier and Jeremiah Jack had donated desk or table , one from each in each location. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Tue, 01 May 2001 21:41:32 -0400 "villanow@mindspring.com" <villanow@mindspring.com> writes: > 5/1/01 9:35pm EDT > > Charles, > > >Hi, Judy, when we visited the childhood home of Dr. J.G.M.Ramsey, > in Swan > >Pond, near the Holston and Hiawasse forks and the old Holston > presbyterian > >Church- or rather remains from a fire and the cemetery My wife's > ancestor > >Jeremiah Jack was one of the first Elders there. The river and > gravel > >barges and Long Island were a beautiful site. > > A few minor corrections: The Ramsey House is near the forks of the > Holston > and French Broad Rivers and the island near the forks is Pickle > Island.....I pass by these places several times a month. > > Larry Shahan > Kodak, TN > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

5/1/01 9:35pm EDT Charles, >Hi, Judy, when we visited the childhood home of Dr. J.G.M.Ramsey, in Swan >Pond, near the Holston and Hiawasse forks and the old Holston presbyterian >Church- or rather remains from a fire and the cemetery My wife's ancestor >Jeremiah Jack was one of the first Elders there. The river and gravel >barges and Long Island were a beautiful site. A few minor corrections: The Ramsey House is near the forks of the Holston and French Broad Rivers and the island near the forks is Pickle Island.....I pass by these places several times a month. Larry Shahan Kodak, TN

Hi, have you checked out Sevier-L@rootsweb.com? They are not as active as this one or the Txerath-L@rootsweb.com. The latter often leads the nation on hits , sometimes exceeded by Tippah, Miss. group Right now, Southern Trails is leading them all- the Sevier group is in Rootsweb archives. The Governor had several Siblings. One brother and one son were killed at King's Mountain fighting Majpr ferguson and Militia loyal to the Queen- Tories. Some say that Sevier's corn crib was feeding the wives of his battlefield enemies and about 20 Cherokee women with children. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Tue, 1 May 2001 10:20:29 EDT Dgreen909h@cs.com writes: > Charles, > > I have SEVIERS in my family tree also. Dorothy Reynolds Seiver > married > Lawrence Albert WEAVER, January 12, 1909. Lawrence was the son of > Cornelius > Weaver, and grandson of John Siler Weaver. John Siler was the son of > Jacob > Weaver and sister to my great grandmother, Margaret Saphronia Weaver > MCELROY. > They lived in Buncombe Co., NC. Weaverville, near Ashville, was > named for > this family. > > Dorothy Seiver was the daughter of James B Seiver and Mary REYNOLDS. > > > Dortha McElroy Greenlee > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Charles, I have SEVIERS in my family tree also. Dorothy Reynolds Seiver married Lawrence Albert WEAVER, January 12, 1909. Lawrence was the son of Cornelius Weaver, and grandson of John Siler Weaver. John Siler was the son of Jacob Weaver and sister to my great grandmother, Margaret Saphronia Weaver MCELROY. They lived in Buncombe Co., NC. Weaverville, near Ashville, was named for this family. Dorothy Seiver was the daughter of James B Seiver and Mary REYNOLDS. Dortha McElroy Greenlee

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In a message dated 5/1/01 12:57:17 AM !!!First Boot!!!, wyly1@juno.com writes: << Nancy Sevier Madden. >> Two of the men in my family - Wesley Madden Smith - who was in the Mexican War and my grandfather, Woodson Madden Smith, who was born in 1874 have the "Madded" name? This family is notorious for naming their children after other families. The Matthew Smith Chapter DAR in Russellville, AL has several members who are descendants of John Sevier. Wonder where the Madden name came from. Know that Woodson is for Dr. John Woodson who came to Jamestown in 1619. Betty.

Charles, My GOAD was Richard Jackson Goad, born 1821, in VA. His second wife was Adeline Elizabeth CRUMPLER YORK, my great grandmother. My grandmother was Sarah Elizabeth York MCELROY, she was the daughter of Adeline and Marcus (Mark) Alexander York, Jr. of NC. Sarah Elizabeth (Lizzy) York McElroy married Jacob Silas McElroy in Boone Co., AR in 1877 and they came to TX in 1888 when my dad was about six months old. Lizzy York McElroy died in 1895 and is buried at Huckaby, TX. Didn't you say your mother told you that you were related to the McElroys at Huckaby?? Maybe this is the connection. So, my Yorks and McElroys traveled from NC to AR, but not together. The McElroys came in the early 1870s and the Yorks were on the 1870 Boone Co., AR census and Adeline was married to Mr. Goad by this time. (They married in 1868.) The McElroys came to Bosque Co., in late 1880's and the Yorks came in early 1890s. Thought you might like to know of the connection. Dortha McElroy Greenlee

Hi, I just rememberred a message on Southern Trails a year or so ago and had heard it elsewhere. In early Arkansas, a couple would buy a marriage at the County Clerk's office, but he did not record them as married. In many areas a curcit Riding preacher would be by once or twice a month and marry those with a license. Then the preacher took it and others and when his circuit went through the County seat again he would turn in licenses with date of Ceremony on them. - If he lived that long or was not robbed or had not lost it. Also, as the boundaries were ever changing, the Cherokee Strip once ran from the Missippi to the Texas Panhandle by Missouri and Kansas. Also, in Georgia, a divorce for criminal adultry was not uncommon. Charles Wyly On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:44:28 -0400 "William Spurlock" <wspurlock@savinggraves.com> writes: > To give you an idea of the where the "northern route" passed > through, the > following URL should be of some help. > > http://www.tngenweb.org/clay/route.gif > > Documentation on the route can be found here: > > http://www.tngenweb.org/clay/ClayMigration.htm > > > >

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This site is a time line of the early settlement of KY, biased towards the Boones and the Eddlemans. Interesting. Check it out. http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/eg803.htm

My Foster family came to Jamestown, Va 1650 ish. Then to Yorktown for the surrender of Cornwllis. Then a vet ( Rev War) went to N C, marreid into the Loveless family then to Alabama where one of his sons was in the first grad. clas of Uof Alabama.1804, or maybe thats when he died? One wrote the Foster Law Digest ?? Many letters of his trip to visit his daughter in Texas. He saw a trained bear on a barge on the Ms. River. He sailed down to the Gulf and a ship to Teaxs, In all a three month trip. Died shortly after arriving in Tx. That family produced the Gov. Hogg of 1900 of Tx But I have lost track of the writings. Liv.

Hi, Judy, when we visited the childhood home of Dr. J.G.M.Ramsey, in Swan Pond, near the Holston and Hiawasse forks and the old Holston presbyterian Church- or rather remains from a fire and the cemetery My wife's ancestor Jeremiah Jack was one of the first Elders there. The river and gravel barges and Long Island were a beautiful site. The guide through the 2 story home said the stone masons from Scotland who built it back packed and some used mules with small packs and came in through narrow Indian trails where no roads have been built. Mr. Jack and William Rankin took a canoe load of homespun clothes to Old Chota or Echota .to trade. One brave saw a rifle not for trade in a cownhide in the canoe and accused them of treachery and an execution was planned, but Beloved Woman Nancy Ward pardined them and later, in Rev. War, 1787, she sent scouts to Holston and Watauga and others to warn them that some of her men had decided to attack them and sell their scalps to the British. So. the D.A. R. honored her and loyal Indians with a monument to her and first husband. These Indians allowed Polygamy . Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:46:11 -0700 Judy Oldziewski <harness75@earthlink.net> writes: > An earlier posting by Mary Miller who is no longer active on the > list. > Thought it might be of interest so some of the new people. > > Judy > > Let me explain something it has taken me a while to figure out. I > always > assumed the trail early settlers used right after the Rev War to get > into KY > went thru Cumberland Gap. A large portion of the early settlers > coming > out > of Shenandoah Valley of Va (and maybe originally from PA, MD, even > New > York) > did go thru the Gap. Also, some of the early men coming out of part > of > North Carolina, went to Watauga, Knoxville TN and then thru the Gap. > > > But.........stay with me on this one. > > Tennessee had two early settlements. The one in eastern TN - > Holston > river, > Clinch River, Carter's Valley, Knoxville, etc. > The other early settlement was Ft Nashborough NC settled 1780 - > today > Nashville Tennessee. They got there by going thru Cumberland Gap > and > taking > Cumberland River. Sounds the long way around, but the area between > Eastern > TN and Nashville TN was full of Indians, and it would take about 15 > years > after Rev War for it to be really safe to travel. People did go > that > way, > but with a military escort. > > So TN was settled mainly from Nashville back to the east. Whites > kept > pushing the Indians....guess you could say they the Indians were in > a > squeeze play. > > If you wanted to get to Kentucky, or anywhere on the Ohio River say > 1790-1800 from sections of North Carolina, South Carolina, > etc......you > probably traveled to Alabama, took river or trail to Nashville, and > went > into KY from there. > > Let me give you the first major route > This would be ca 1790s the Zanesville - Nashville Pike > (mostly present day US68) > Zanesville, Ohio > crosses Ohio river at Limestone (present day Marysville KY) > went down through Paris KY (major spot on trail by 1800) > Lexington, Harrodsburg, Cambellsville, Bowling Green, Russellville > to > Nashville TN. > > this is the route some of the men from New England and western PA > used > to > get to land right after Rev War.....land for soldiers service was in > Davidson Co NC - which was about the center third of present > Tennessee. > this was also the way people from NC, TN, etc. could get to the Ohio > river > and move to Illinois, MO, etc. As I said, men out of Shenandoah > Valley > of > VA had been all the way to Detroit MI during Rev War, also Vinceenes > Indiana > was important spot. > > a bit later > first road in Logan Count KY > Henderson (on Ohio) south through Russellville KY to Nashville. > this was used a lot by people - again wanting to get to Ohio but to > go > to > say MO, or down Mississippi. > > One more point - you are going to have to know what early forts, > settlements > were in called at the time - Falls of the Ohio was Louisville KY. > Early > important areas - Cairo on the Mississippi, but remember there was > also > a > Cairo just out of Nashville - I got messed up on that one. I found > an > early > 1790s record where my ancestor (living in Davidson Co/Nashville > area) > was > going to have to go to court in Cairo. that really thru > me.....until I > found the Cairo near Nashville where for a while land taxes were > paid. > > Hope this is some help. Of course, once the Indian problem was > taken > care > of, then other routes were used. But so many men right after Rev > War > were > on the move, thought you might like to understand how they traveled > thru > TN. > > mary > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Hi, another reason the "Moved" was that the counties were being organized and split up. You could have lived in Norts Carolina and later Tennessee without actually. Some who settled in Paluxy, Erath County, Texas lived in homes now in Hood County after resurvey. Those in Tennessee norto of the southern swing of the river suddenly found themselves in Alabama after the surveys were completed. Also, ifr you find a court record in North Carolina marked G.T.T. meant Gone to Tennessee or Texas. In Tennessee and Georgia it meant Gone to Texas. and all charges were dropped, civil or criminal, . Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:31:38 -0400 Harold Harrison <haroldh@bellsouth.net> writes: > I wish to differ with Judy assessment. 99% of my family arrived in > the South between 1600 and 1740. By 1800 most of my family had been > here > 6 generations. The average family moved 6 times in their life time. > The > average family in the South own an average of 1000 acres around > 1850. > Land in Virginia was worn and used between 1600 and 1700 thus the > movement to South Carolina and Georgia. The American Revolution > afforded > their soldiers new land as more and more Indian territory was traded > and > opened. The War of 1812s end offered even more land in Alabama and > Mississippi. SC and Ga land was wearing out which produced more > movement > west. Mississippi's east side was great for growing cotton in the > early > 1800s. By the mid 1800s east Texas was found to be just as good for > cotton growing as east Mississippi thus more movement. In the mid > 1800s > land was purchesed with money from thier grandfathers Revolutionary > War > lands. Land was also aquired through dowers. While there is some > justification for movement because of many sons and first born > inheritence laws in the 1600s-1700s more people moved because of > land > wearing out and to have distance between neighbors. Southerners > whose > ancestry was primarily Scotish just wanted to be left alone at a > distance. The Scots did not like the English intrusion in Scotland. > Nor > did they like the English intrusion in the colonies which accounted > for > movement in the mountains areas of the South. My ancestors > established > ties to the land the first generation they were here. They would > fight > to keep it also. I am a 13th generation Southerner. I am the first > generation not to grow up on a farm. > Harold > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Check this out http://members.aol.com/RoadTrails/roadtrai.html Judy

Hi, let's hear it. Personally I have filled in some gaps in my records and found new leads, plus the enjoyment of reading it, Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:02:24 -0700 Judy Oldziewski <harness75@earthlink.net> writes: > BFC5336@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > Did you forget what our new List Owner wrote? If you would like > to refresh > > your memory is printed below. Personally, I think she is going to > be a great > > help to ALL of us. Also I have a story to tell about my > great-grandfather > > coming to Arkansas by covered wagon, if anyone is interested. > Melissa, I > > would like your input on this also. > > Thanks, > > Billie > > > > << > I just took over this list and a few others recently, so > I > > > thought I'd > > > make my introductions... > > > > > > My name is Melissa Strobel; I'm 27, married with two > beautiful > > > little > > > girls, and a researcher for several different subjects, up to > and > > > including > > > genealogy, American and European History, heraldry, herbology, > and > > > blacksmithing. By trade I am a living historian (another word > for a > > > > > > re-enactor), and I work primarily with the 11th Pennsylvania > > > Volunteer > > > Infantry, Co. I. I sit on the board for both the 11th and its > > > parent > > > company, the Commonwealth Ancients Band of Musick (CABOM), > which is > > > a > > > Revolutionary-War era fife and drum corps. When I find the > time, I > > > also > > > spend time with the Society for Creative Anachranism (SCA), > which is > > > a > > > medieval recreationist group. I also do lectures and > > > demonstrations for > > > school groups, scout groups and the like on a variety of > topics. I > > > also hit > > > the occasional Renaissance Faire, to relax a bit. > > > Hmm...what else... I'm a graduate of Penn State > University, > > > with > > > bachelors in both American History and Sociology, do some > small-time > > > web > > > design, and otherwise am occupied with either SCA style > fencing, > > > gardening, > > > cooking in several different time periods, or chasing two > little > > > ones about. > > > Since none of the lists that this is to be posted to is > very > > > large, I'd > > > like to hear from you all...your interests, what you'd like to > see > > > in these > > > lists, etc. I'd like to be able to get a handle of what kind > of > > > group we > > > have here. So please...get the ball rolling, and let's see > what we > > > can't > > > accomplish here! :) > > > > > > In service, > > > Melissa Strobel > > > >> > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > Hi > > I would love to hear your story of the trip to AR by covered wagon > and I > think you should post it to the list. My gg grandmother came from TN > to > AR by wagon in 1837. > > Judy > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hi, I am also a Goad descendant- Johannah Goad married Valentine Sevier, parents of Col. John Sevier, first Tennessee Governor. See SEVIER FAMILY HISTORY by Cora Bailes Sevier and Nancy Sevier Madden. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:44:37 EDT Dgreen909h@cs.com writes: > Melissa, > > It has been stated that some people didn't want to stay where a lot > of people > were moving in, they would rather be on the frontier. They liked the > open > spaces. This applied to some of our PATTERSON family, they kept > pushing > westward. > > Another thing I have heard about the westward movement: after the > Civil War, > times were so hard where they were in the South, they chose to move > rather > than live with Reconstruction. Also the farms had been farmed so > many years > they weren't as profitable. New land had opened up in the west and > it was > cheap. They chose to make a new start. > > We live in Texas and all of our family, both sides, pushed into > Texas, mostly > after the Civil War, from the South. Other names I am working on: > MCELROY, > GREENLEE, MCKINNEY,PLEDGER, HAMILTON, YORK, GOAD. > > Hope this has been helpful. > > Dortha McElroy Greenlee > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Hi, I said Overmountain men yesterday. I meant the LONG HUNTERS who Daniel Boone. L led them west on their first trip. Mr. Boone was a bear hunting friend of my Great Grandad 8 or 9 times back Col. .Ben Cleveland of King's Mountain, Rev. War and 99 other batles. They say he lost none. I say, when Daniel Boone and Col. Ben Cleveland were bear hunting near Cumberland Gap , some relatively friendly Indians, jumpped them, took their guns, knives, and shoes, and made them walk back for help in their birthday suits, laughing at them as they left. They hunted without dogs as Indians back then could smell and hear a dog running through the Woods. I would say this "Battle" was a draw. Indians considerred dogs as friends but did eat them. Nancy Ward once sent 400 dogs to Toccoa, Ga. area to save her Anglo friends during a drought. and later sent cattle, which her husband had taught them how to raise and milk and churn. Her son in law, Gen. Joseph Martin, Indian Agent, returned her cattle . Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Evvia@webtv.net writes: > I have forgoten the time frame for Daniel Boone?? I tried to trace > my > HUTSON name...they seemed to follow Daniel Boone...until "They were > found in a pig shed ....with arrows in them and pigs had eaten to > beyond > reconition" The pig sheds were made by Indians....to catch the > amimals > when feeding......I gave up at that time. <G>. Later the name was > in > SC, then Miss. then to north Arkansas in 1867. Their Miss homeland > was > destroyed of food stuff.What they could grow was most times taken by > Carpetbaggers. Years ago an olde genealogist said that was the name > of > those in ragged uniforms.the rest was just theives. Any ideas on > the > time frame here? Liv > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Nice touch.And not a minute too soon. I admit to being behind the mail shuffle or my last e-mail would not have been sent. I like the information that comes across, thinly so at times but helpful and thought provoking. Ann

Richard Forston wrote: > > Just remember, the Volunteer State became known as that as a result of the > volunteers in the War of 1812, not the Civil War. > > >Tennessee was called the volunteer state for a reason. I would imagine the > >northern volunteers made life uncomfortable for the southern volunteers after > >the end of the Civil war. Feelings still run high in the south about "The > >War Between the States" > > > >Bev. > > > > > >============================== > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp Tennessee also voted for secession by only 3 votes. Nethan Bedford Forrest started the Klan I believe in Tennessee. He also ended it when the federal troops left. Harold

Charles, I always enjoy your posts, and have wished I were related to some of the people you speak about so easily. This time, I have to disagree with one of your points. History says that my Longhunter ancestor Michael Stoner, also a lifelong friend of Daniel Boone, had at least one dog that accompanied him on his hunts. It was said to be a "silent" dog, warning Michael of danger by pressing his body against him or creating sounds that only Michael could hear. Incidentally, Michael served under your Sevier ancestor. I'd love to hear anything else you might know about Stoner. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: Charles A. Wyly <wyly1@juno.com> To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Pig trail? >Hi, I said Overmountain men yesterday. I meant the LONG HUNTERS who >Daniel Boone. L led them west on their first trip. Mr. Boone was a bear >hunting friend of my Great Grandad 8 or 9 times back Col. .Ben Cleveland >of King's Mountain, Rev. War and 99 other batles. They say he lost none. >I say, when Daniel Boone and Col. Ben Cleveland were bear hunting near >Cumberland Gap , some relatively friendly Indians, jumpped them, took >their guns, knives, and shoes, and made them walk back for help in their >birthday suits, laughing at them as they left. They hunted without dogs >as Indians back then could smell and hear a dog running through the >Woods. I would say this "Battle" was a draw. > >Indians considerred dogs as friends but did eat them. Nancy Ward once >sent 400 dogs to Toccoa, Ga. area to save her Anglo friends during a >drought. and later sent cattle, which her husband had taught them how to >raise and milk and churn. Her son in law, Gen. Joseph Martin, Indian >Agent, returned her cattle . > >Take care, >Charles A. Wyly > >On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Evvia@webtv.net writes: >> I have forgoten the time frame for Daniel Boone?? I tried to trace >> my >> HUTSON name...they seemed to follow Daniel Boone...until "They were >> found in a pig shed ....with arrows in them and pigs had eaten to >> beyond >> reconition" The pig sheds were made by Indians....to catch the >> amimals >> when feeding......I gave up at that time. <G>. Later the name was >> in >> SC, then Miss. then to north Arkansas in 1867. Their Miss homeland >> was >> destroyed of food stuff.What they could grow was most times taken by >> Carpetbaggers. Years ago an olde genealogist said that was the name >> of >> those in ragged uniforms.the rest was just theives. Any ideas on >> the >> time frame here? Liv >> >> >> ============================== >> Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >> > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > >