Hi, concerning the names you expresed interest in, I have some hints from the Erath County list- you maiy or may not see any connection, but they were definiotely in Central Texas. 1. JOHNSON- I grew up and attended school with a Dr. Morris Johnson, whose dad was from Illinois or Indiana and he and morris's mom, daughter of Reed Cox and also his step dad Jess Salter are all buried behind the Johnsville Church of Christ. Dr. Johnson terired as a Military officer and taught at Tarleton State University, where another Johnson not related to him had also taught. Also, there was an Albert Sidney Johnson of Selden Erath County , Texas whose 7 boys and one girl were born around 1900. Dad grew up near them (No, his name was NOT Johnston) . All the boys were over 6 feet tall and were strong as Oxes . Elmer, in 1940's was drinking water at a thresher and dad dropped ice down his collar. after working on a grain Crew. Elmer caught Dad, picked him up, and rolled him over his shoulders and down his back to the ground, gently, both dying with laughter. 2. Brown- Elmer Johnson's mother in law was a Brown and used to attend Selden and Pony Creek churches , Erath County with them. Also, Larry Brown of Hillsboro was school Supt. of Bynum, Texas 20 years ago. 3. Boone Brown of Stephenville had a tire store and I think a Buick agency once. I attended school with Marclene Brown and have taught several- relationships not known. 4. Clark- My great Grandad Wyly's grandmother was Sarah Hawkins Clark, granddaughter of Col. John Sevier first Tennessee Gov.for 6 terms and was living with her grandad when she and james Rutherford Wyly married, before 1812- this was the Clarks of Clarksville, Georgia and Texas. Mr Clark of Lewis and Clark expedition was related. 5. Mayor Henry Clark served in Stephenville ,,Texas several terms and sold his 6+6 Feed store to one of my cousins, a Marshall Kay, a Wyly grandchild and his great Grandmother 3 times back . Marshall was also a Clark descendant- I do not know the ancestory of Mayor Clark of Texas, but his photos look like George Washington, hair and all. 6. I knew some Texas Wingfields- taught one in Bosque County, Texas. 7. There were ome SHERRODS in Chalk Mountain , Erath County , Texas. One is a retired Arlington, Texas Principal where one campus and building is named for him. 8. Dickey- In the 1950's Dr. Alex Dickey was Registrar of the University of North Texas (North Texas State College, then University), Denton, Texas. His daughter and family lived next door to us in Denton for about 2 years. I think there are several Dickeys in Waco, Texas. ASK JEEVES internet search to find them in the Big Yellow Internet sites. 9. I attended Stephenville High with a Sarah, Canady, 1944-46red headed, as I remember. 10. THOMAS- Lots of them around. Mont Thomas was once Erath County sheriff , followed by his son in law Blackie Martin. They once ran the Stephenville livestock, if my memory is right. Some of this family used to be on TxErath. 11..I go to church witha FRANK THOMAS, a N>T>S>U> grad from Whitesboro, Texas and a Chevrolet dealer in or near Duvall County and now lives in Hewitt, Texas. 12. I attended high school with a Gilbert. His dad or uncle was Sheriff of Erath County once. 13. EVANS- My mom's sister Effie Carey married a Joe Evans. He has 2 children living and his family drove cattle on the county roads from their Selden Prairie farm to their land in Pony Creek area. Some of them are buried near the Pony Creek- Box cemetery but not all in it. Some are in open pasture in Beach- Rumph land. Also, ARCH EVANS O, STEPHENVILLE Mayor was also a tire and parts store owner and National Guard officer and trumpet p[layer. 14. STRICKLANDS- Several lived in Stephenville- Selden area . Some were teachers. Mom and daud, when single were in Selden church youth groups with Martha Jane Strickland- Maybe these tracks might connect to your family. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Fri, 4 May 2001 18:48:34 -0400 "Sue Howard" <SueHoward@prodigy.net> writes: > Hi, I'm Sue Howard, formerly of Clarksdale, Mississippi, and now of > Nashua, New Hampshire (quite a switch, huh?!) I have all Southern > lines, as far as I know, starting in Virginia (although one ancestor > fought in Maryland in the Rev. War), and going down through North > Carolina, S. Carolina, Georgia, and on across Alabama and into > Mississippi. My surnames are JOHNSON, BROWN, CLARK, WINFIELD, > SHERARD, DICKEY, ASHBY, GILBERT, THOMAS, MOREMAN, CANADY/CANADA, > EVANS, SIMMONS, STRICKLAND, BRASWELL, PITTS, STOKES. Can't think of > the rest right now. > > I, myself love history and genealogy, but I majored in music. > Received my Bachelor of Music Degree in Piano at Delta State > University in Cleveland, Mississippi, way back in 1959. I'm still > working right now as a secretary in a legal department, but am > retiring at the end of June this year. I know, I know, I majored in > music, but you know, the reality of making a living BECOMES a > reality when you graduate from college. I do play the organ at my > church and play for a lot of events. Enjoy jazz A LOT! Since I > live in the Boston area, I enjoy watching those Red Sox play > baseball too! > > I would love to know what possible trail my gg grandparents, James > Kennedy Winfield and wife, Sarah (Sallie) Sherard, too coming from > Anderson County, South Carolina to Perry County, Alabama. From > Perry, I know that they ended up in Neshoba Co., Mississippi. If > anybody has any ideas, let me know. Thanks. > > Thanks for taking over the list. There's been a lot more activity > lately as a result. > > Sue Howard > > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Hi, I'm Sue Howard, formerly of Clarksdale, Mississippi, and now of Nashua, New Hampshire (quite a switch, huh?!) I have all Southern lines, as far as I know, starting in Virginia (although one ancestor fought in Maryland in the Rev. War), and going down through North Carolina, S. Carolina, Georgia, and on across Alabama and into Mississippi. My surnames are JOHNSON, BROWN, CLARK, WINFIELD, SHERARD, DICKEY, ASHBY, GILBERT, THOMAS, MOREMAN, CANADY/CANADA, EVANS, SIMMONS, STRICKLAND, BRASWELL, PITTS, STOKES. Can't think of the rest right now. I, myself love history and genealogy, but I majored in music. Received my Bachelor of Music Degree in Piano at Delta State University in Cleveland, Mississippi, way back in 1959. I'm still working right now as a secretary in a legal department, but am retiring at the end of June this year. I know, I know, I majored in music, but you know, the reality of making a living BECOMES a reality when you graduate from college. I do play the organ at my church and play for a lot of events. Enjoy jazz A LOT! Since I live in the Boston area, I enjoy watching those Red Sox play baseball too! I would love to know what possible trail my gg grandparents, James Kennedy Winfield and wife, Sarah (Sallie) Sherard, too coming from Anderson County, South Carolina to Perry County, Alabama. From Perry, I know that they ended up in Neshoba Co., Mississippi. If anybody has any ideas, let me know. Thanks. Thanks for taking over the list. There's been a lot more activity lately as a result. Sue Howard

Hello Fellow Listers, I am Faye Kennedy Irvin and, like many of you, enjoy history and research. As for having a degree, my poor father thought I was going to major in BOYS at Florida State so we were both pleasantly surprised when I stepped off the stage at graduation time with a degree in history. I was not a teacher because I had the wit to know I probably wouldn't have been a good one. Instead, I worked many years as a senior medical underwriter for Prudential Ins. CO. But, all the time, my love was history, genealogy and research squeezed in between raising a family and being a wife to a great husband. My father and husband had a rich Uncle named Sam [U.S. Navy] who sent us on many free trips, so I have been able to indulge myself in travel and history. We live in Orange Park, Florida now. Is this an area where I research? Don't be silly. That happens only in the movies. I am researching Geekie [a Scots name], Kennedy, Robins, Rolfe and Word plus associated families. The areas are Perry County, Alabama, Georgia, Maryland, Leake and Smith County, Mississippi, North and South Carolina, Gloucester, Virginia and oh, yes, Texas. Not a Floridian in the group. I look forward to this list and Mr. Wylie, I stand in awe of your family knowledge and your generosity in sharing the information. Always searching, Faye

Hi, I think you can get some names and places in South Carolina by clicking on: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sc/scfiles.htm http://members.aol.com/unionscgen/homepage.unschome.htm (You may not have folks in Union County, but youcan see something of what is out there. http://WWW.Cyndislist.com/sc.htm She says she has 577 links. Something will turn up. Hope it works. ww ----- Original Message ----- From: armenta <armenta@brightok.net> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:57 PM Subject: [SouthernTrails] Introduction > Hello Everyone: > > Today is my first day to be on the Southern Trails List. My name is Armenta Akers McWethey and I live in Southern Oklahoma. > > The family names I will be searching are Akers and Netherland, Gibson and Smithhart, Hale and Noel, Robinson and McCoy. Those names belong to my g-grandparents. A lot of other names are associated with these primary family members but will not be carried at this time as prominent surnames. > > The States I search most for these people are NJ, VA, TN, KY, SC, MO, AR, GA, LA, MS, TX, (IT), OK and some times other states. I think they must all have gotten on the same road to get me to Oklahoma. > > I hope I can be helped and I promise to always assist anyone I can along the way. I will mind my manners and try to be a good List member. > > Thank You, Armenta...... > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

----- Original Message ----- From: "armenta" <armenta@brightok.net> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: [SouthernTrails] Introduction > Hello Everyone: > > Today is my first day to be on the Southern Trails List. My name is Armenta Akers McWethey and I live in Southern Oklahoma. > > The family names I will be searching are Akers and Netherland, Gibson and Smithhart, Hale and Noel, Robinson and McCoy. Those names belong to my g-grandparents. A lot of other names are associated with these primary family members but will not be carried at this time as prominent surnames. > > The States I search most for these people are NJ, VA, TN, KY, SC, MO, AR, GA, LA, MS, TX, (IT), OK and some times other states. I think they must all have gotten on the same road to get me to Oklahoma. > > I hope I can be helped and I promise to always assist anyone I can along the way. I will mind my manners and try to be a good List member. > > Thank You, Armenta...... Thankyou Amenta, It looks as though your family came by at least two different routes to have traveled through all those states Phyllis grissom> > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hello Everyone: Today is my first day to be on the Southern Trails List. My name is Armenta Akers McWethey and I live in Southern Oklahoma. The family names I will be searching are Akers and Netherland, Gibson and Smithhart, Hale and Noel, Robinson and McCoy. Those names belong to my g-grandparents. A lot of other names are associated with these primary family members but will not be carried at this time as prominent surnames. The States I search most for these people are NJ, VA, TN, KY, SC, MO, AR, GA, LA, MS, TX, (IT), OK and some times other states. I think they must all have gotten on the same road to get me to Oklahoma. I hope I can be helped and I promise to always assist anyone I can along the way. I will mind my manners and try to be a good List member. Thank You, Armenta......

I am related to the Roundtree line from Union Co. S.C. Turner Roundtree (1740-1797) was the son of William Roundtree and Dorcas Dudley. Turner's brothers and sisters were Richardson, Randall, Dudley, William, Thomas, Mary, Isabella, Elizabeth, Dorcas, Drucilla, and Rebecca. His brother Richardson Roundtree married Mary Mildred Hart, daughter of John Hart, signer of the Declaration of Independence. Jim in Texas ------------------------- > Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Rules, rules rules.... > Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 00:16:25 -0500 > From: wwoodson <wwoodson@lorettotel.net> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com > Hi James > I wonder if you are related to the Roundtrees: Turner, William, Woodson, who > were in Union County, SC in the 1790s until the 1830s and a bit later. If > so, or you know of one who is, please contact me for some possible other > discussions. Thanks, ww

In 1787, Peter Avery marked the first trail from NC to what was to become Middle Tennessee. See this article in the _Tennessean_ for news about a wagon train commemorating this trail traversed by many of our ancestors: http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/01/04/04646907.shtml?Element_ID=4646907

5/3/01 11:40am EDT Judy & all, >The Mary who sent the info I posted earlier which Larry states has some >mistakes was a librarian. I assume she fould the info in a history book. >She was a very careful researcher but research is only as good as the >sources and she may have used some sources with errors. The point that she was making that she had figured out that "TN was settled from Nashville East" gave me the most trouble. Nothing that I have every read or seen has ever suggested that. As for history books and accuracy: if no one today can really agree with what happens around us on a daily basis, it is very dangerous to rely on history books for what one would consider to be "absolute" facts. Every writer writes from their point of view and knowledge base. No person can possibly have all of the facts, therefore, all written history is distorted, if not by inaccuracies, then by omission. One needs to consider: was the writer a trained historian or an amateur? Writing from personal experience, or simply copying what others had written (without verification)? Did their writing show bias (local historians can be notoriously biased)? I once read a county history book written by a person living in that county and mention was made of what most historians would classify as a very minor battle as "one of the most important battles of the Revolutionary War", a considerable exaggeration. >This is a good reminder that anything anyone gives us should be a starting >point for research and we should always verify it ourselves. I am glad >Larry was alert and pointed out some things that at the least need more >research before they are accepted as fact. > >Judy This especially true of what one finds on the Internet and on mailing lists. A book publisher puts its reputation on the line when it prints a book....subject to all manner of public review and embarrassment if it contains gross errors. Fortunes can be lost and businesses ruined if a reputation becomes tainted. Not so with Internet content.....anyone can publish anything without concern about censure. With free web sites readily available, a person does not even have to spend money to "publish" and can easily hide their identities, or distort them to imply credibility.....and no entity (government or otherwise) can police all of this. Remember, just because you read/hear it doesn't make it true......if you can't personally verify the information in some way, and especially if you can't verify the source (know the identity of the "speaker") to ascertain their reliability, then put it in the "rumor" file. Thanks, Judy, for that reminder. Larry

Hello to the List I'm searching for information on my great-grandfather John T. Carpenter and only recently began looking into his moving from Georgia to Arkansas. A little background, John T. Carpenter married Frances E. Richardson in Chattooga County, Georgia on 18 January 1855. Their first son was born in 1857 and in Georgia according to census records. Their next child, a daughter was born in June 1864, and again in Georgia according to census records. However, in between these two dates, the 1860 census has John, his wife Frances and their son John Jeff living in Greene County along with a Felix Turner. John's Real Estate is valued at $1,000 and personal property at $560. It is thought that this could only mean that he had purchased property in Arkansas. My question is this: What route or routes could he have used in travelling to the North Eastern portion of Arkansas from the North western portion of Georgia in about 1858 or 1859? There are also questions of why he went to Arkansas? And, why he left in about 1862 or 1863 and came back to Gerogia? Any help on these areas would be most helpful. Thanks in advance. Bob Carpenter

Hi James I wonder if you are related to the Roundtrees: Turner, William, Woodson, who were in Union County, SC in the 1790s until the 1830s and a bit later. If so, or you know of one who is, please contact me for some possible other discussions. Thanks, ww ----- Original Message ----- From: James T Rountree <jamesr23@juno.com> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [SouthernTrails] Rules, rules rules....(long, but please read) > Nice touch.And not a minute too soon. I admit to being behind the mail > shuffle or my last e-mail would not have been sent. I like the > information that comes across, thinly so at times but helpful and thought > provoking. > Ann > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Does any one know what trails would ahve been taken by a family that traveled between Buckhorn Falls, North Carolina and Albermarle Co. Va. Mr Wylie you seem to know a great deal about tails do you have any information about this. Any one. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Barb

I think I saw a book on Coonrod Pyle in the Cumberland County, Burkesville, KY library just a few weeks ago. Perhaps it was a family history...anyhow I remember it because that was one of the first names I became fascinated with when I started on the 'net. Good Luck. Julia Savage Minatra Rutherford County TN You step in the stream, but the water has moved on. ----- Original Message ----- From: <LadyEbonSwan@aol.com> To: <Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: [SouthernTrails] Forewarded...reply to the list > Charles, do you have any information on Coonrod Pyle. We have been told that > he hunted with Boone. He has a number of Yorks in his family including the > famous Sgt. York of WWI. (Notice several people on the list have York > connections.) Coonrod settled in Fentress County, TN. Davy Crockett was a > neighbor and probably went on some of the hunts. I am interested in the > trails Coonrod used in hunting and the one he followed when he moved his > family to TN. Dorothy > > ______________________________

Hi, I have the exact site location by natural landmarks, where Evan Edwards or Evan Eddards was killed and scalpped in the Cumberland Gap , 1796, in the presence of his wife Jemima Cleveland Wyly Edwards and her two Wyly children, James Rutherford Wyly and Elizabeth Wyly. Also present were Edwards children and John Hall, who lived with his first wife until she died and then married Elizabeth Wyly. Elizabeth had grabbed two Edwards Children and pulled them through a cane break to escape the indians. Young James R. jumped over the bank into a stream near a bluff on the other side, .A hunting party rescued them. WHO??? Later, in court testimony in East Faliciana Parrish, Clinton , La. Ga. Militia General Wyly, Gen. Ben Cleveland (Col. Ben's grandson), and "Devil John" Cleveland testified that Col. Ben had first given Jemima and family South Carolina land, but he soon gave her more land between Amite, Miss. and Clinton, La. She remarried a distant cousin Daniel Cleveland and died and Daniel was claiming all the land, not considerring the Cleveland, Edwards Children. Court info in Clinton is in several books, French style- one scribe doing Questions and another doing answers in a different book. The land was returned to Col. Ben's estate. QUESTION; Who were the other children involved without parents in Cumberland Gap attack? Were they orphans? Was Indentured Servant custody still in existence in 1796?? One of my ancestors John Hatchett was a 12 year oldn on an orphan ship near Jamestown and was sold to a John Farley Actually , his dad was in British Debters Prison and the young son enterred appx. 30 years ahead of the father. His family included a mayor of Shrevesburg, Eng. QUESTION; How many orphan ships came to America in 1600's??? Did the practice continue into the 1700's ? One source said there were 5 or more. Must be on someone's tree. John Hatchett tried to buy his freedom when about 19 and Mr. Farley refused. He then , with Jane Farley, asked her dad for her hand in marriage., which did not make Mr. Farley a happy camper, so they eloped, SO , I have both Hatchett and Farley lineage. Dr. W.P. Hatchett and brother came to Texas before 1840 and settled in Gonzales and then the Bosque River valley, organizing 17 churches., Doctoring, and died in Selden, Texas after 1900. They came from Shipley ( Pine Mountain) Ga. to Texas on horsebck , then he returned to Ga. to marry Angelina Isabella Stevens, my great Great Grandmother and returned to Texas and made 2 other trips back to Ga. They and Rev. B.T. Stevens and his mother Elizabeth Tuggle(stine in Belgium 4 centuries earlier- see history of Tarrant- Tuggle- Herndon families of Bradford. England who sold military uniforms worldwide. Some came to Jamestown. ) are buried in Selden Cemetery, Duffau Creek. Texas. Sorry I took so long, but through 2 degrees I had never heard of Orphan ships or how foster parenting functioned in U.S. in 1790's. Take care, Charles A. Wyly On Wed, 02 May 2001 16:21:59 -0400 Jim Blease <leds@datasys.net> writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------130BF26EEFC7D56461B2A218 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > "villanow@mindspring.com" wrote: > > > > 5/1/01 1:30pm EDT > > > > This appeared on this list 3 Feb 2001 as [Fwd: trails to early KY] > (and, it > > appears also, 23 Sept 99) and I intended to respond when I could > check out > > some resources, then time just slipped away!. > > > > >Subject: [SouthernTrails] Trails > > > > > >An earlier posting by Mary Miller who is no longer active on the > list. > > >Thought it might be of interest so some of the new people. > > > > > > Some time in the 1950's or 60's I read a book about the first whites > who > went into what became Kentucky and Ohio and the first two sentences > have > stayed with me: > > "To go there was to slip one's finger from the handclasp of mankind. > To > go there was to go lonely." > > Can remember neither the author nor the title. Does it sound > familiar > to anyone?? > --------------130BF26EEFC7D56461B2A218 > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > name="leds.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: Card for Jim Blease > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="leds.vcf" > > begin:vcard > n:; > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > adr:;;;;;; > version:2.1 > end:vcard > > --------------130BF26EEFC7D56461B2A218-- > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Larry: I am a native Nashvillian with ancestors in Fort Nashboro as early as 1793. I agree with you completely about the various routes taken to arrive in Nashville, both from the East and from the North. Also, you are quite accurate when you say TN was NOT basically settled from Nashville East. The opposite was true. Florence Parman > > Subject: [SouthernTrails] Re:Trails (repost) > Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:59:35 -0400 > From: "villanow@mindspring.com" <villanow@mindspring.com> > To: Southern-Trails-L@rootsweb.com > > 5/1/01 1:30pm EDT > > This appeared on this list 3 Feb 2001 as [Fwd: trails to early KY] (and, it > appears also, 23 Sept 99) and I intended to respond when I could check out > some resources, then time just slipped away!. > > >Subject: [SouthernTrails] Trails > > > >An earlier posting by Mary Miller who is no longer active on the list. > >Thought it might be of interest so some of the new people. > > > >Judy > > > >Let me explain something it has taken me a while to figure out. I always > >assumed the trail early settlers used right after the Rev War to get into > >KY went thru Cumberland Gap. A large portion of the early settlers coming > >out of Shenandoah Valley of Va (and maybe originally from PA, MD, even New > >York) did go thru the Gap. Also, some of the early men coming out of part > >of North Carolina, went to Watauga, Knoxville TN and then thru the Gap. > > > >But.........stay with me on this one. > > > >Tennessee had two early settlements. The one in eastern TN - Holston > >river, Clinch River, Carter's Valley, Knoxville, etc. The other early > >settlement was Ft Nashborough NC settled 1780 - today Nashville Tennesse. > > > They got there by going thru Cumberland Gap and taking Cumberland River. > > Actually they split into 2 groups, the men, led by James Robertson, went > overland (not by Cumberland River)....see "Early History of Middle > Tennessee by Edward Albright, 1908 (at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsumner/early12.htm) for details of the route; > and the women and children, led by John Donelson, went by way of the > Holston, Tennessee, Ohio, and Cumberland rivers.....see the above (at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsumner/early14.htm) for details of the route. > > >Sounds the long way around, but the area between Eastern TN and Nashville > >TN was full of Indians, and it would take about 15 years after Rev War for > >it to be really safe to travel. People did go that way, but with a > >military escort. > > Actually Middle TN as well as KY were hunting grounds and supposedly were > not permanently occupied by Native Americans (historic times) prior to > these lands being "sold". Robertson party was not attacked by Native > Americans and saw no signs of them on arrival at French Lick (though Indian > warfare began by 1792). The lands between French Salt Lick and East TN > were Indian Lands at this time but I would guess that the routes taken were > simply because these were the most direct "roads" of the time. > > >So TN was settled mainly from Nashville back to the east. > > Certainly not so!!!! The capitals of the State of Franklin (1784-8) and > the Territory South of the Ohio river(1789-1796), both of which preceded TN > were located in East TN as well the 1st capitals of TN. The state capitol > didn't move to Middle TN (Murfreesboro) until 1818. > > > Whites kept pushing the Indians....guess you could say they the Indians > > were in a squeeze play. > > > >If you wanted to get to Kentucky, or anywhere on the Ohio River say > >1790-1800 from sections of North Carolina, South Carolina, etc......you > >probably traveled to Alabama, took river or trail to Nashville, and went > >into KY from there. > > Not really sure why this would be true since the Ohio starts in Pittsburgh, > PA. There were plenty of trails/roads between NC & SC & East TN and the > Cumberland Gap was an established route into KY from there. > > >Let me give you the first major route This would be ca 1790s the > >Zanesville - Nashville Pike (mostly present day US68) Zanesville, Ohio > >crosses Ohio river at Limestone (present day Marysville KY) went down > >through Paris KY (major spot on trail by 1800) Lexington, Harrodsburg, > >Cambellsville, Bowling Green, Russellville to Nashville TN. > > > >this is the route some of the men from New England and western PA used to > >get to land right after Rev War.....land for soldiers service was in > >Davidson Co NC - which was about the center third of present Tennessee. > > >this was also the way people from NC, TN, etc. could get to the Ohio river > >and move to Illinois, MO, etc. > > Certainly possible but it would be more likely that they went down the > Tennessee River to the Ohio to the Mississippi to get to these > places. Middle TN people would probably use the Cumberland River to the Ohio. > > <snip> > > Judy has said that the originator, Mary, is no longer active on the > list.....does anyone know where she might have gotten her > information. Mine comes from living in East TN and being very familiar > with the geography and somewhat familiar with the history....But.....I > certainly could be wrong. > > Larry Shahan > Kodak, TN

Larry and List members The Mary who sent the info I posted earlier which Larry states has some mistakes was a librarian. I assume she fould the info in a history book. She was a very careful researcher but research is only as good as the sources and she may have used some sources with errors. This is a good reminder that anything anyone gives us should be a starting point for research and we should always verify it ourselves. I am glad Larry was alert and pointed out some things that at the least need more research before they are accepted as fact. Judy

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------130BF26EEFC7D56461B2A218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "villanow@mindspring.com" wrote: > > 5/1/01 1:30pm EDT > > This appeared on this list 3 Feb 2001 as [Fwd: trails to early KY] (and, it > appears also, 23 Sept 99) and I intended to respond when I could check out > some resources, then time just slipped away!. > > >Subject: [SouthernTrails] Trails > > > >An earlier posting by Mary Miller who is no longer active on the list. > >Thought it might be of interest so some of the new people. > > Some time in the 1950's or 60's I read a book about the first whites who went into what became Kentucky and Ohio and the first two sentences have stayed with me: "To go there was to slip one's finger from the handclasp of mankind. To go there was to go lonely." Can remember neither the author nor the title. Does it sound familiar to anyone?? --------------130BF26EEFC7D56461B2A218 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="leds.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jim Blease Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="leds.vcf" begin:vcard n:; x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 end:vcard --------------130BF26EEFC7D56461B2A218--

5/1/01 1:30pm EDT This appeared on this list 3 Feb 2001 as [Fwd: trails to early KY] (and, it appears also, 23 Sept 99) and I intended to respond when I could check out some resources, then time just slipped away!. >Subject: [SouthernTrails] Trails > >An earlier posting by Mary Miller who is no longer active on the list. >Thought it might be of interest so some of the new people. > >Judy > >Let me explain something it has taken me a while to figure out. I always >assumed the trail early settlers used right after the Rev War to get into >KY went thru Cumberland Gap. A large portion of the early settlers coming >out of Shenandoah Valley of Va (and maybe originally from PA, MD, even New >York) did go thru the Gap. Also, some of the early men coming out of part >of North Carolina, went to Watauga, Knoxville TN and then thru the Gap. > >But.........stay with me on this one. > >Tennessee had two early settlements. The one in eastern TN - Holston >river, Clinch River, Carter's Valley, Knoxville, etc. The other early >settlement was Ft Nashborough NC settled 1780 - today Nashville Tennesse. > They got there by going thru Cumberland Gap and taking Cumberland River. Actually they split into 2 groups, the men, led by James Robertson, went overland (not by Cumberland River)....see "Early History of Middle Tennessee by Edward Albright, 1908 (at http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsumner/early12.htm) for details of the route; and the women and children, led by John Donelson, went by way of the Holston, Tennessee, Ohio, and Cumberland rivers.....see the above (at http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsumner/early14.htm) for details of the route. >Sounds the long way around, but the area between Eastern TN and Nashville >TN was full of Indians, and it would take about 15 years after Rev War for >it to be really safe to travel. People did go that way, but with a >military escort. Actually Middle TN as well as KY were hunting grounds and supposedly were not permanently occupied by Native Americans (historic times) prior to these lands being "sold". Robertson party was not attacked by Native Americans and saw no signs of them on arrival at French Lick (though Indian warfare began by 1792). The lands between French Salt Lick and East TN were Indian Lands at this time but I would guess that the routes taken were simply because these were the most direct "roads" of the time. >So TN was settled mainly from Nashville back to the east. Certainly not so!!!! The capitals of the State of Franklin (1784-8) and the Territory South of the Ohio river(1789-1796), both of which preceded TN were located in East TN as well the 1st capitals of TN. The state capitol didn't move to Middle TN (Murfreesboro) until 1818. > Whites kept pushing the Indians....guess you could say they the Indians > were in a squeeze play. > >If you wanted to get to Kentucky, or anywhere on the Ohio River say >1790-1800 from sections of North Carolina, South Carolina, etc......you >probably traveled to Alabama, took river or trail to Nashville, and went >into KY from there. Not really sure why this would be true since the Ohio starts in Pittsburgh, PA. There were plenty of trails/roads between NC & SC & East TN and the Cumberland Gap was an established route into KY from there. >Let me give you the first major route This would be ca 1790s the >Zanesville - Nashville Pike (mostly present day US68) Zanesville, Ohio >crosses Ohio river at Limestone (present day Marysville KY) went down >through Paris KY (major spot on trail by 1800) Lexington, Harrodsburg, >Cambellsville, Bowling Green, Russellville to Nashville TN. > >this is the route some of the men from New England and western PA used to >get to land right after Rev War.....land for soldiers service was in >Davidson Co NC - which was about the center third of present Tennessee. >this was also the way people from NC, TN, etc. could get to the Ohio river >and move to Illinois, MO, etc. Certainly possible but it would be more likely that they went down the Tennessee River to the Ohio to the Mississippi to get to these places. Middle TN people would probably use the Cumberland River to the Ohio. <snip> Judy has said that the originator, Mary, is no longer active on the list.....does anyone know where she might have gotten her information. Mine comes from living in East TN and being very familiar with the geography and somewhat familiar with the history....But.....I certainly could be wrong. Larry Shahan Kodak, TN

5/2/01 9:25am EDT Charles, >Thanks for correction. > >Now, one more question: Where the island some sources called "The Long >Island of the Holston"? That would be in the vicinity of present day Kingsport, TN. BTW, Pickle Island was on the French Broad River? While in the area did you go into Sevier Co to see the islands where John Sevier crossed to go into Boyd's Creek? No doubt, since I live in that area, that Sevier & I have traversed the same lands, though over 200 years apart. Larry Shahan Kodak (Sevier Co), TN

Charles, do you have any information on Coonrod Pyle. We have been told that he hunted with Boone. He has a number of Yorks in his family including the famous Sgt. York of WWI. (Notice several people on the list have York connections.) Coonrod settled in Fentress County, TN. Davy Crockett was a neighbor and probably went on some of the hunts. I am interested in the trails Coonrod used in hunting and the one he followed when he moved his family to TN. Dorothy