Hello all, I don't go shopping anymore but I can understand the frustration that older folks have with the elestronic world. Isn't progress wonderful? In some cases but certainly not all. I think we were much more comfortable with many of the old ways because we understood them and knew what they did for us.I have grand children and great grandchildren ranging in age from 39 years to 2 months. I can't imagine how much more progtess will come about in their lifetimes. Will they be able to deal with the changing times? I have worked with many kinds of machanized equipment over the years, learning each new thing and how it helped me speed up my work was always a challenge and made me wonder just how much more could be on the market. I give up, so much just advancing as I sit here. My grandson can get into my computer by remote and fix problems I have had. It is hard for me to belive but it worked Regards, Belle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeane Dalrymple" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [HS] School subjects... > These new machines at check out counters for the use of credit cards are > "for the PITS" or Spits.... If anybody can read my very neatly written > Palmer method handwriting they are magicians. If the credit card > companies or Check card companies do not "RAISE HIGH HELL" the art of > writing will be lost for ever. Text messages are bird seed...... > spelling has gone to be with the devil.... so many 'derned' > abbreviations it looks like a secret code. > MY Rant is done. Jeane > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Jen LaBonte <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sylvia, > > > > I think that it's extremely important the children..soon to be adults, know > > how to write legibly. Many of them just make marks & to many > > people..especially potential employers this isn't acceptable. They should > > learn how to write correctly. The schools which I taught in might not have > > been as progressive as others..but for the most part, the students learned > > cursive writing when they were in fourth grade. If they were able to do so > > earlier..so much the better..but for the most part, from what I know, their > > motor skills were not capable of doing cursive until they were at least 8 > > yrs old. There are exceptions to the rule..and what I have said isn't set > > in stone. I did have to take a number of classes in college in which I > > learned when children were capable of doing certain things. > > > > Regarding multiplication tables. Yes, a calculator will give you a quick > > answer. However, what if someone is in a spot where they don't have a > > calculator in their hands & they need to do a bit of arithmetic? I've seen > > young adults & some other individuals who have had to count out change in a > > store & there are times that they cannot rely on a machine to tell them > > what > > to do. In the past, I have given change above & beyond what something cost > > & the young person or young adult, wasn't even able to count the change > > back > > to me. These are things that one does in their daily living & they cannot > > always count on a machine to do their work for them. > > > > I have very little knowledge of what goes on with the texting that people > > do > > today. I do a bit of texting on my computer..but nothing like I see some > > of > > these younger folks do. I'm sure it's easier to eliminate correct grammar > > & > > spelling when you text. However, as far as I have seen, this world expects > > more from a person than short-cuts. If it doesn't then I feel sorry for > > the > > children that are going to be adults some day. > > > > I feel very strongly about these things. I have taught in different types > > of schools & in different grades & believe me when I say that it's pretty > > pathetic to see a nineteen year old student held back in 8th grade b/c he > > cannot pass a reading test or cannot write his name legibly. I worry about > > youngsters like this..b/c all I can see is that they will be a burden on > > society. > > > > I'll get off my stump now!! > > > > ~J > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sylvia Gould" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [HS] School subjects... > > > > > > > Oh, yes, I remember the many practice motions and things we had to do for > > > penmanship. The circles and up and down marks. Having taught in > > elementary > > > school within the last 25 years, I think I can safely say that is a thing > > > of the past. > > > Who needs to know the multiplication tables, or even parts of algebra > > with > > > the sophiticated hand-held calculators available today? > > > Sentence structure, punctuation, spelling--all go by the board with the > > > new > > > "messaging" and "texting" things the kids are doing-- most of it is > > > deliberately left out. There is a new shorthand you have to learn to use > > > it. > > > Sylvia > > > > > > At 08:07 PM 2/22/2010, you wrote: > > >> Are 'penmanship, Handwriting being taught in today's schools?It > > >> was very important to be able to write well in my school days. They > > >> taught the Palmer method and we had many drills and practice sheets. > > >>Many of the young folks today can't spell or write their own name > > >>clearly. > > >>I learned to write very well and spelling was not a problem. Today, > > words > > >>of more than one syllable are hard to spell and pronounce. > > >> > > >>What about the multiplication tables? With all the electronic gadgets I > > >>guess they don't need to know them anymore. > > >> > > >>Punctuation marks ? Forget it!! > > >> > > >>Belle > > >> > > >>------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.13/2432 - Release Date: > > 10/13/09 > > >>06:35:00 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Some people weave burlap into the fabric of our lives and some weave gold > thread. Both contribute to make the whole picture beautiful and unique. > Anonymous > Watch your thoughts: they become words. > Watch your words: they become actions.Watch your actions: they become > habits. > Watch your habits: they become your character. > Watch your character: it becomes your destiny.______Francis Outlaw > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Belle, I have a good friend in WA who does the same thing for me. I just have to give him control of my computer & he can see what is on my computer. Kind of scary in a way. This friend works in computers, so it didn't surprise me when he did this for me. He also installed a new anti-virus program for me. It talks to me..kind of scary..b/c I will hear this voice from the other room saying that the virus scan is complete. The one or two times I have had viruses, I have gotten really scared. This thing sets off an alarm & keeps announcing that there is a virus on my computer. No one ever told me what to do..so I end up scanning most of my files. The virus protection put the virus into some sort of a box. I wouldn't touch that until I was able to get hold of my friend. Then he did it remotely. I cannot always get hold of him b/c he doesn't have a phone & he's usually working out in the field some place. He laughs at me when I tell him I don't know what to do...but he forgets this is his job & not mine. Your Grandson must be pretty smart. I know I wouldn't know how to do that sort of thing. Do you use Windows Live so he can take control of your computer? I know what you meant about all this advancement. Many times people say they are doing something & I haven't the faintest idea what they are talking about. You have several years on me & I'm 65 yrs old & I still feel a bit intimidated by all these "new wonders"! ~J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belle Shepherd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] [HS] School subjects... > Hello all, > I don't go shopping anymore but I can understand the frustration that > older > folks have with the elestronic world. Isn't progress wonderful? In some > cases but certainly not all. I think we were much more comfortable with > many of the old ways because we understood them and knew what they did for > us.I have grand children and great grandchildren ranging in age from 39 > years to 2 months. I can't imagine how much more progtess will come > about > in their lifetimes. Will they be able to deal with the changing times? > I have worked with many kinds of machanized equipment over the years, > learning each new thing and how it helped me speed up my work was always a > challenge and made me wonder just how much more could be on the market. I > give up, so much just advancing as I sit here. My grandson can get into my > computer by remote and fix problems I have had. It is hard for me to > belive > but it worked > Regards, > Belle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeane Dalrymple" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [HS] School subjects... > > >> These new machines at check out counters for the use of credit cards >> are >> "for the PITS" or Spits.... If anybody can read my very neatly written >> Palmer method handwriting they are magicians. If the credit card >> companies or Check card companies do not "RAISE HIGH HELL" the art > of >> writing will be lost for ever. Text messages are bird seed...... >> spelling has gone to be with the devil.... so many 'derned' >> abbreviations it looks like a secret code. >> MY Rant is done. Jeane >> >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Jen LaBonte <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Sylvia, >> > >> > I think that it's extremely important the children..soon to be adults, > know >> > how to write legibly. Many of them just make marks & to many >> > people..especially potential employers this isn't acceptable. They > should >> > learn how to write correctly. The schools which I taught in might not > have >> > been as progressive as others..but for the most part, the students > learned >> > cursive writing when they were in fourth grade. If they were able to >> > do > so >> > earlier..so much the better..but for the most part, from what I know, > their >> > motor skills were not capable of doing cursive until they were at least > 8 >> > yrs old. There are exceptions to the rule..and what I have said isn't > set >> > in stone. I did have to take a number of classes in college in which I >> > learned when children were capable of doing certain things. >> > >> > Regarding multiplication tables. Yes, a calculator will give you a > quick >> > answer. However, what if someone is in a spot where they don't have a >> > calculator in their hands & they need to do a bit of arithmetic? I've > seen >> > young adults & some other individuals who have had to count out change > in a >> > store & there are times that they cannot rely on a machine to tell them >> > what >> > to do. In the past, I have given change above & beyond what something > cost >> > & the young person or young adult, wasn't even able to count the change >> > back >> > to me. These are things that one does in their daily living & they > cannot >> > always count on a machine to do their work for them. >> > >> > I have very little knowledge of what goes on with the texting that > people >> > do >> > today. I do a bit of texting on my computer..but nothing like I see > some >> > of >> > these younger folks do. I'm sure it's easier to eliminate correct > grammar >> > & >> > spelling when you text. However, as far as I have seen, this world > expects >> > more from a person than short-cuts. If it doesn't then I feel sorry >> > for >> > the >> > children that are going to be adults some day. >> > >> > I feel very strongly about these things. I have taught in different > types >> > of schools & in different grades & believe me when I say that it's > pretty >> > pathetic to see a nineteen year old student held back in 8th grade b/c > he >> > cannot pass a reading test or cannot write his name legibly. I worry > about >> > youngsters like this..b/c all I can see is that they will be a burden >> > on >> > society. >> > >> > I'll get off my stump now!! >> > >> > ~J >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Sylvia Gould" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:50 AM >> > Subject: Re: [HS] School subjects... >> > >> > >> > > Oh, yes, I remember the many practice motions and things we had to do > for >> > > penmanship. The circles and up and down marks. Having taught in >> > elementary >> > > school within the last 25 years, I think I can safely say that is a > thing >> > > of the past. >> > > Who needs to know the multiplication tables, or even parts of algebra >> > with >> > > the sophiticated hand-held calculators available today? >> > > Sentence structure, punctuation, spelling--all go by the board with > the >> > > new >> > > "messaging" and "texting" things the kids are doing-- most of it is >> > > deliberately left out. There is a new shorthand you have to learn to > use >> > > it. >> > > Sylvia >> > > >> > > At 08:07 PM 2/22/2010, you wrote: >> > >> Are 'penmanship, Handwriting being taught in today's > schools?It >> > >> was very important to be able to write well in my school days. They >> > >> taught the Palmer method and we had many drills and practice sheets. >> > >>Many of the young folks today can't spell or write their own name >> > >>clearly. >> > >>I learned to write very well and spelling was not a problem. Today, >> > words >> > >>of more than one syllable are hard to spell and pronounce. >> > >> >> > >>What about the multiplication tables? With all the electronic >> > >>gadgets > I >> > >>guess they don't need to know them anymore. >> > >> >> > >>Punctuation marks ? Forget it!! >> > >> >> > >>Belle >> > >> >> > >>------------------------------- >> > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >>Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > >>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.13/2432 - Release Date: >> > 10/13/09 >> > >>06:35:00 >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Some people weave burlap into the fabric of our lives and some weave gold >> thread. Both contribute to make the whole picture beautiful and unique. >> Anonymous >> Watch your thoughts: they become words. >> Watch your words: they become actions.Watch your actions: they become >> habits. >> Watch your habits: they become your character. >> Watch your character: it becomes your destiny.______Francis Outlaw >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message