Emma, Just read a message from Jeannie T & she had been elsewhere just a few years ago & she said that the bathrooms were much the same as what you mentioned. I suppose you get used to about anything if you have to. ~J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roses" <[email protected]> To: "southern-chat" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. Don't count on it. Emma > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:49:52 -0800 > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > Emma, > > That really is antiquated...I'm surprised they only had that. However, > that > was some time ago...so maybe they have better facilities now. > > ~J in AZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roses" <[email protected]> > To: "southern-chat" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > Did your pastor tell about the rest rooms? I don't know about the men's > room, but for the ladies, there was a hole in the floor, no seat, you had > to > hit that hole in the floor. At one place (maybe an airport) they had just > remodeled. I said it was a nice hole in the floor, all tiled, but it was > still a hole in the floor. > > Emma > > > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:34:06 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > My pastor took a group of men to Russia several years ago and the > > stories > > he tells are very similar to yours. Cold showers in the dead of winter > > was > > the pits. Then he went back to the Ukraine and taught some classes, with > > the aid of an interpreter. > > We worked in the Dominican Republic for three years and I can identify > > with the hitchhiking. You get in a "taxi" that, in the U.S. would hold 5 > > people, and by the time you reach your destination there would be 9 or > > 10 > > people, along with live chickens and who know what else. Most people had > > no cars so you walked to the nearest grocery store or the local market, > > then carried your purchases back in reusable bags. All 4 of us had to go > > in order to take enough groceries back for a week > > Washing clothes was the hardest and most time consuming thing. My > > clothes > > were nothing to wash, but try jeans for three males. It didn't take long > > before everyone was doing their own. Then we were told that it was > > expected for the white people to hire maids to do their cooking and > > washing. > > When visiting in individual homes, the people were very kind and > > generous. > > They would insist that you eat with them, even though you knew that they > > couldn't really afford to feed you. > > > > Kay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I guess. I have heard that in Europe, many men just walk into an alley to urinate & I guess some don't even do that. ~J in AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > My friend was invited to visit a home in Japan, and she was told they had > these same bathroom floors....This was a couple years ago, and the house > was on an island....Apparently this is common in other countries .... > Jeannie T > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:25:52 +0000 [email protected] writes: >> Miss Emma,A hole in the floor?What if you had to go #2? Just sayin. >> Linda,never heard of such a thing >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > ____________________________________________________________ > Small Business Tools > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=RemD9bzIr-dhJtqix8ecDAAAJ1BuHtEgYfARCKX2I2eGJBW8AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMQAAAAA= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't count on it. Emma > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:49:52 -0800 > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > Emma, > > That really is antiquated...I'm surprised they only had that. However, that > was some time ago...so maybe they have better facilities now. > > ~J in AZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roses" <[email protected]> > To: "southern-chat" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > Did your pastor tell about the rest rooms? I don't know about the men's > room, but for the ladies, there was a hole in the floor, no seat, you had to > hit that hole in the floor. At one place (maybe an airport) they had just > remodeled. I said it was a nice hole in the floor, all tiled, but it was > still a hole in the floor. > > Emma > > > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:34:06 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > My pastor took a group of men to Russia several years ago and the stories > > he tells are very similar to yours. Cold showers in the dead of winter was > > the pits. Then he went back to the Ukraine and taught some classes, with > > the aid of an interpreter. > > We worked in the Dominican Republic for three years and I can identify > > with the hitchhiking. You get in a "taxi" that, in the U.S. would hold 5 > > people, and by the time you reach your destination there would be 9 or 10 > > people, along with live chickens and who know what else. Most people had > > no cars so you walked to the nearest grocery store or the local market, > > then carried your purchases back in reusable bags. All 4 of us had to go > > in order to take enough groceries back for a week > > Washing clothes was the hardest and most time consuming thing. My clothes > > were nothing to wash, but try jeans for three males. It didn't take long > > before everyone was doing their own. Then we were told that it was > > expected for the white people to hire maids to do their cooking and > > washing. > > When visiting in individual homes, the people were very kind and generous. > > They would insist that you eat with them, even though you knew that they > > couldn't really afford to feed you. > > > > Kay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/

I'm trying not to fly even domestic is out.I'm taking the train to PA this year but leaving the return trip open for discussion. Linda,I'm not afraid,not really Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jkaywojack <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:08:46 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. Oh, how much I want to go to Ireland, Scotland and England. My son lives in England and we have a couple from church who are leaving sometime this year to be missionaries in Ireland. My best friend is the mother of the guy and I know she will visit, so am hoping we can go together. My husband has vowed never to fly again, so he's not going with me. Kay In a message dated 01/12/10 15:06:35 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Linda...don't have time to write about it now...just let me say...everything is so green, and 'lush'...they don't cut it down, like we do...and the sweetest friendliest people on earth. We toured some cemeteries after we got into Scotland...and found lots of WILLIS and my sister's in laws, McInnis/ MacIInnes. Toured some castles there..I almost fell in one, and caught on the wall and thought I had a broken arm...but didn't tell anyone, until I got back home and went to my doctor. They have made the castles where large crowds can go through...and where it had been steps (I think) they had a ramp like walkway...and it was hard to go down it with people right in front of you, I just sort of went forward with my body...and couldn't step on someone, so lost my balance..the wall next to me was like plastered cement...and I went, full force against it from elbow to shoulder...and it hurt! But I knew our bus driver...he would have insisted on a doctor...and it would have ruined everyone's day...so I said nothing...I tried to hold it, like you would in a sling...and kept feeling to see if it was swelling...(grin))...Luckily...it didn't swell. Just a little the next morning...I told my roommate...(This was a church group) Gotta run...more later Stella ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought I heard that The D R felt a lite tremor.But the major shake was right under Port R Prince ,Haiti. Your stuff is your stuff no matter rich or poor.But they have their way of looking at things. Linda,who paid the chickens cab fare Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jkaywojack <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:34:06 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. My pastor took a group of men to Russia several years ago and the stories he tells are very similar to yours. Cold showers in the dead of winter was the pits. Then he went back to the Ukraine and taught some classes, with the aid of an interpreter. We worked in the Dominican Republic for three years and I can identify with the hitchhiking. You get in a "taxi" that, in the U.S. would hold 5 people, and by the time you reach your destination there would be 9 or 10 people, along with live chickens and who know what else. Most people had no cars so you walked to the nearest grocery store or the local market, then carried your purchases back in reusable bags. All 4 of us had to go in order to take enough groceries back for a week Washing clothes was the hardest and most time consuming thing. My clothes were nothing to wash, but try jeans for three males. It didn't take long before everyone was doing their own. Then we were told that it was expected for the white people to hire maids to do their cooking and washing. The only problem was that food and my underwear and jewelry disappeared on a regular basis. It wasn't considered stealing, because we were considered rich and could easily replace what had been taken. When visiting in individual homes, the people were very kind and generous. They would insist that you eat with them, even though you knew that they couldn't really afford to feed you. Nothing has been said about the earthquake being felt in the D.R but I don't see how Haiti could be so devastated and not the D.R. Kay In a message dated 01/12/10 10:01:02 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I went with a group called "Affect Destiny" with the Assemblies of God denomination. I had already been supporting them, sending an offering in each month, then I saw the notice in the church paper how to go on one of the trips. I went in October 1993, this was after my husband died. I had some extra money and I just knew I HAD to go. I sent in a request for an application but you had to have 3 references to tell about you. The people I asked, for one reason or another, had not sent in their reference (vacations, etc). But I got a phone call that if I could be ready to go by Oct 15, there was a group from the northwest going and I could go with them. It seemed like everything I needed, it happened. I was scared and yet excited. We flew from Seattle to Anchorage, then boarded a Russian plane for Khavorosk (sp) Russia. As I mentioned earlier, our flight plans had changed at the last minute so our guide had to frantically find a hotel for 30 people at the last minute. It would have been condemned on any of our skid rows. The covers were damp, the bathroom down the hall was a disgrace. The guide apologized but to find somewhere we could go, he said that was all he could find. The next day we flew to Vladivostok where our mission would take place. We went in groups of 4 to the different schools in the town and gave out booklets of the life of Jesus, taken from the Bible. There was 3 from the team with an interpreter. Since I was the oldest in our group (this was 20 years ago) they would bring a chair for me to sit in in the classroom. I tried to refuse but my interpreter said they were honoring me as an older person and i should sit. I got an education in the manners there. One class, some ol! der boys were being smart-mouthed, Tanya (our interpreter going to college) told them to sit down and shut up. They did too. We ate lunch at the school with the kids. They always had a type of soup, lots of times borsch, and a lot of pork. I wouldln't say it was always my favorite food but it was eatable. They always had hot tea (lukewarm tea) served in glasses. The kids were typical school kids, I loved them. We took pictures of each class we were in and they all wanted to be in the picture. The guide had arranged for taxis to come take us to the school (we were scattered throughout the city), then wait and take us back to the hotel. One time, he didn't wait and we had to wait for him to come pick us up. We were supposed to be back at the hotel around a certain time and he drove like a fox turned loose to get us back there. Of course by then it was rush hour traffic. Would you believe he went up on the sidewalk to drive around a bunch of cars, and I don't mean going slowly either. No seat belts. Another time the driver didn't wait but didn't come back to pick us up. Tanya and the secretary of the school talked a bit, then we ended up walking a block over to the main highway and they started hitchhiking. We pooled our money to pay the driver. When a man stopped, Tanya negotiated for him to take us to the hotel, paid him the money and we got in. I told her my kids wouldn't believe their mother was hitchhiking in Russia. She wanted to know if I was scare! d, I said not as long as I was with her. I guess that's not unusual to do. One taxi driver we had several times and he would talk to us (Tanya interpreting). He had fought in the Great War, what he called WW II. Very friendly. The schools were large, not much of a playground though. They had two sessions to accommodate all the kids in that area. The principal's took pride in their schools. I'll continue later about coming home. Emma > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:29:11 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > What a wonderful way to travel-on missions trips! I would love to hear about the people you met. Did you help in building a church or teaching, just tell us more details. > Kay > > > > In a message dated 01/12/10 04:28:13 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Yes, I went on Missions trips both times. First I went to Vladivostok Russia (just above Korea and across the sea from Japan), flying from Anchorage. But our flight changed coming home and instead of coming back to Anchorage, we flew to Moscow for overnight, then to New York then back to Seattle then Portland. I flew around the top of the world, literally. > > A year later, I went to Donetsk Ukraine, via Frankfurt Germany and Kiev Ukraine, both ways. Both trips for 10 days each. And, this was a gal that never wanted to leave the United States. > > Emma > > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:13:25 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > Miss Emma you've been to Russia? > > Linda,wish I could go > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Roses > > Sender: [email protected] > > To: southern-chat > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > Sent: Jan 11, 2010 10:59 PM > > > > > > In Unkraine, the toilets are at the end of each car too. There are little cubicles all along the side with one long aisle. There were two sets of bunk beds in each cubicle with just room to walk between them. Those bunks were 'hard' too. > > > > Emma > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:38:14 -0800 > > > Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > > > We visited Salzburg, Austria. Saw Mozart's home. His pianoforte and pages of music he had written were on display. > > > Saw the locations used in "The Sound of Music". > > > We went on to Zurich , Switzerland, spent one day going through the shops and candy stores. Then on to Lucerne, Switzerland. Standing by the lake, seeing the quiet water like a glass table and smelling the chocolate from the eateries, made one feel that all must be right with the world. The people were so nice. > > > The South of France is really beautiful, no wonder so many rich folks go there to live. One can see the many places from the train window. The French trains go fast! The toilets at the end of each car have a sign on the wall in five languages "Don't flush the commode unless the train is moving." > > > > > > More later, > > > Belle > > > Belle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many restrooms/water closets did not separate the sexes, get in line for the next open toilet. Many had no seats. In Italy you paid 150 lira, handed three sheets of waxy toilet paper, a cheap paper towel . When you were ready to leave you were expected to tip the attendant sitting at a table by the exit. The Vatican museum did separate the sexes and didn't charge. Paris had individual ' toilets in the medians of some streets. They were small metal stands, you put two francs in the slot, music played and you waited until it stopped before opening the door. The toilet was being 'sterilized' for you. Belle Belle ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. Miss Emma,A hole in the floor?What if you had to go #2? Just sayin. Linda,never heard of such a thing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Roses <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:41:12 To: southern-chat<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. Did your pastor tell about the rest rooms? I don't know about the men's room, but for the ladies, there was a hole in the floor, no seat, you had to hit that hole in the floor. At one place (maybe an airport) they had just remodeled. I said it was a nice hole in the floor, all tiled, but it was still a hole in the floor. Emma > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:34:06 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > My pastor took a group of men to Russia several years ago and the stories he tells are very similar to yours. Cold showers in the dead of winter was the pits. Then he went back to the Ukraine and taught some classes, with the aid of an interpreter. > We worked in the Dominican Republic for three years and I can identify with the hitchhiking. You get in a "taxi" that, in the U.S. would hold 5 people, and by the time you reach your destination there would be 9 or 10 people, along with live chickens and who know what else. Most people had no cars so you walked to the nearest grocery store or the local market, then carried your purchases back in reusable bags. All 4 of us had to go in order to take enough groceries back for a week > Washing clothes was the hardest and most time consuming thing. My clothes were nothing to wash, but try jeans for three males. It didn't take long before everyone was doing their own. Then we were told that it was expected for the white people to hire maids to do their cooking and washing. > When visiting in individual homes, the people were very kind and generous. They would insist that you eat with them, even though you knew that they couldn't really afford to feed you. > > Kay > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Emma, That really is antiquated...I'm surprised they only had that. However, that was some time ago...so maybe they have better facilities now. ~J in AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roses" <[email protected]> To: "southern-chat" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. Did your pastor tell about the rest rooms? I don't know about the men's room, but for the ladies, there was a hole in the floor, no seat, you had to hit that hole in the floor. At one place (maybe an airport) they had just remodeled. I said it was a nice hole in the floor, all tiled, but it was still a hole in the floor. Emma > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:34:06 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > My pastor took a group of men to Russia several years ago and the stories > he tells are very similar to yours. Cold showers in the dead of winter was > the pits. Then he went back to the Ukraine and taught some classes, with > the aid of an interpreter. > We worked in the Dominican Republic for three years and I can identify > with the hitchhiking. You get in a "taxi" that, in the U.S. would hold 5 > people, and by the time you reach your destination there would be 9 or 10 > people, along with live chickens and who know what else. Most people had > no cars so you walked to the nearest grocery store or the local market, > then carried your purchases back in reusable bags. All 4 of us had to go > in order to take enough groceries back for a week > Washing clothes was the hardest and most time consuming thing. My clothes > were nothing to wash, but try jeans for three males. It didn't take long > before everyone was doing their own. Then we were told that it was > expected for the white people to hire maids to do their cooking and > washing. > When visiting in individual homes, the people were very kind and generous. > They would insist that you eat with them, even though you knew that they > couldn't really afford to feed you. > > Kay > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Emma, That's interesting that you would be working at such a diverse age. Do you suppose the children over in Russia & all the other countries are educated in one big room...like they did here many years ago? Were these children solely there for religious a education because that was what you were there for? Or was this actually a school? You are very wise that you recognized that Tanya probably didn't have that much extra money. And as far as the "tea" goes, I can only imagine that it was for your benefit (all the Americans is what I mean). I'm sure you are right about why they did what they did for you. I'm sure if we had company from another company, we would want to treat them as well as we could too. Regarding asking about your salary, I'm sure that had to be a very awkward moment. If I were to be put in that spot, I would find it hard to discuss this with others. I have never been good about discussing this sort of thing with others. I'm glad, however, that they got it straight that all Americans are not rich. Glad that you were able to travel safely on that train. I guess there probably are many people are desperate to make money over there. Just never thought of those people as being part of the Mafia. ~J in AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roses" <[email protected]> To: "southern-chat" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. The age of the classes we visited were from possibly 7 yrs of age up to 15 yr olds, maybe older. The boys that Tanya told to sit down and shut up were some of the older boys. I don't remember if the teacher was in the room at that time or not. Tanya was a college age girl, maybe 20 years old. Our interpreters were hired from the country we were in. Tanya and several others in Russia, then when I went to the Ukraine, we had college kids from the Udraine. I think, but I'm not sure, that the only requirement was that they spoke English. The kids we hired were really sweet kids, trying so hard to please us. One day we had gone to the Science Museum at the Naval Academy, then we were going to do something else, so we stopped at a fast food place to eat. I told Tanya to order whatever she wanted and I would pay for it. She just got the hamburger and something to drink. I ddin't think she would have extra money of her own. She lived with her grandmother, her parents were scientists but they lived somewhere else. You mentioned the food. In the Ukraine, when we went to one school, the principal told us they fixed a tea for us. At that time, there was just two of us from our team (a girl about 18 and me) and the missionary's 10 year old daughter. The man on our team had been detained, bringing a bus load of our luggage from Kiev because of the fog. I thought of a tea as having coffee or tea with some cookies or small cakes. NO WAY. They had prepared a meal. Each teacher had brought a dish, they had used their best tableware. Like you said, you knew they couldn't afford all of this but they did it for the "American" that came to their school. I made sure I tasted each dish. The girls only got what looked good. I told them, these ladies are poor, and they're honoring us with this food. Then, I was caught off guard. The principal wanted to know how much I made. I didn't want to tell. I asked my interpreter (can't remember her name) if I should say. She said they want to know but it was up to me. Finally, I told them. Then, they wanted to know what my expenses were and how I could afford this trip. When I started telling them what my monthly expenses were, then they realized that I wasn't that rich American after all. We never knew what was coming next. <g> Because of being fogged in the whole week we were in the Ukraine, we had to take a train ride back to Kiev. We were told that was one thing our sponsor hadn't wanted for anyone to do because of the Mafia so prevalent over there. They added a car on the end of the train for us, and at one time during the night, we were side tracked for over an hour. I said the Mafia missed a good chance to rob that car load of "rich" Americans. Emma > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:33:32 -0800 > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > Emma, > > That had to be a very interesting time!! I have never had any desire to > travel over-seas. My sister-in-law in N.C. & her friend from church had > planned to go to all the countries in the Bible & this was right before we > started to have all our problems over there. As it turned out, the travel > agency that they had booked their trip through..they canceled their > reservations at the last minute because of all that was transpiring over > there. I know that Bonnie & Mary were disappointed; however, after they > realized all the problems over there, I think they were glad that they > didn't go through on their trip. > > You were lucky that you had an interpreter like Tanya to go with you. > Approximately how 'old' were these boys that got smart-mouthed? Just was > curious as to what age you were visiting when you went to the classes, > that's all. > > My husband & I stayed on an island off of South American (1 of the A-B-C > Islands) & those cab drivers there could cause a person to drink & I don't > drink!! They too would drive up over curbs & on sidewalks. People over > there thought nothing of parking on sidewalks. We had one guy who was > blind > in one eye & he had to lean his head out of the window so that he could > see > with his good eye? > > Looking forward to hearing about your trip coming home. > > ~J > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roses" <[email protected]> > To: "southern-chat" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:00 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > I went with a group called "Affect Destiny" with the Assemblies of God > denomination. I had already been supporting them, sending an offering in > each month, then I saw the notice in the church paper how to go on one of > the trips. I went in October 1993, this was after my husband died. I had > some extra money and I just knew I HAD to go. I sent in a request for an > application but you had to have 3 references to tell about you. The people > I asked, for one reason or another, had not sent in their reference > (vacations, etc). But I got a phone call that if I could be ready to go by > Oct 15, there was a group from the northwest going and I could go with > them. > It seemed like everything I needed, it happened. I was scared and yet > excited. > > We flew from Seattle to Anchorage, then boarded a Russian plane for > Khavorosk (sp) Russia. As I mentioned earlier, our flight plans had > changed > at the last minute so our guide had to frantically find a hotel for 30 > people at the last minute. It would have been condemned on any of our skid > rows. The covers were damp, the bathroom down the hall was a disgrace. The > guide apologized but to find somewhere we could go, he said that was all > he > could find. The next day we flew to Vladivostok where our mission would > take place. We went in groups of 4 to the different schools in the town > and > gave out booklets of the life of Jesus, taken from the Bible. There was 3 > from the team with an interpreter. Since I was the oldest in our group > (this was 20 years ago) they would bring a chair for me to sit in in the > classroom. I tried to refuse but my interpreter said they were honoring me > as an older person and i should sit. I got an education in the manners > there. One class, some older boys were being smart-mouthed, Tanya (our > interpreter going to college) told them to sit down and shut up. They did > too. We ate lunch at the school with the kids. They always had a type of > soup, lots of times borsch, and a lot of pork. I wouldln't say it was > always my favorite food but it was eatable. They always had hot tea > (lukewarm tea) served in glasses. The kids were typical school kids, I > loved them. We took pictures of each class we were in and they all wanted > to be in the picture. > > The guide had arranged for taxis to come take us to the school (we were > scattered throughout the city), then wait and take us back to the hotel. > One time, he didn't wait and we had to wait for him to come pick us up. We > were supposed to be back at the hotel around a certain time and he drove > like a fox turned loose to get us back there. Of course by then it was > rush > hour traffic. Would you believe he went up on the sidewalk to drive around > a bunch of cars, and I don't mean going slowly either. No seat belts. > Another time the driver didn't wait but didn't come back to pick us up. > Tanya and the secretary of the school talked a bit, then we ended up > walking > a block over to the main highway and they started hitchhiking. We pooled > our money to pay the driver. When a man stopped, Tanya negotiated for him > to take us to the hotel, paid him the money and we got in. I told her my > kids wouldn't believe their mother was hitchhiking in Russia. She wanted > to > know if I was scared, I said not as long as I was with her. I guess that's > not unusual to do. One taxi driver we had several times and he would talk > to us (Tanya interpreting). He had fought in the Great War, what he called > WW II. Very friendly. > > The schools were large, not much of a playground though. They had two > sessions to accommodate all the kids in that area. The principal's took > pride in their schools. > > I'll continue later about coming home. > > Emma > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:29:11 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > What a wonderful way to travel-on missions trips! I would love to hear > > about the people you met. Did you help in building a church or teaching, > > just tell us more details. > > Kay > > > > > > > > In a message dated 01/12/10 04:28:13 Central Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Yes, I went on Missions trips both times. First I went to Vladivostok > > Russia (just above Korea and across the sea from Japan), flying from > > Anchorage. But our flight changed coming home and instead of coming back > > to Anchorage, we flew to Moscow for overnight, then to New York then > > back > > to Seattle then Portland. I flew around the top of the world, literally. > > > > A year later, I went to Donetsk Ukraine, via Frankfurt Germany and Kiev > > Ukraine, both ways. Both trips for 10 days each. And, this was a gal > > that > > never wanted to leave the United States. > > > > Emma > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > From: [email protected] > > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:13:25 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > > > Miss Emma you've been to Russia? > > > Linda,wish I could go > > > ------Original Message------ > > > From: Roses > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > To: southern-chat > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > Sent: Jan 11, 2010 10:59 PM > > > > > > > > > In Unkraine, the toilets are at the end of each car too. There are > > > little cubicles all along the side with one long aisle. There were two > > > sets of bunk beds in each cubicle with just room to walk between them. > > > Those bunks were 'hard' too. > > > > > > Emma > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:38:14 -0800 > > > > Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > > > > > We visited Salzburg, Austria. Saw Mozart's home. His pianoforte and > > > > pages of music he had written were on display. > > > > Saw the locations used in "The Sound of Music". > > > > We went on to Zurich , Switzerland, spent one day going through the > > > > shops and candy stores. Then on to Lucerne, Switzerland. Standing by > > > > the lake, seeing the quiet water like a glass table and smelling the > > > > chocolate from the eateries, made one feel that all must be right > > > > with > > > > the world. The people were so nice. > > > > The South of France is really beautiful, no wonder so many rich > > > > folks > > > > go there to live. One can see the many places from the train window. > > > > The French trains go fast! The toilets at the end of each car have a > > > > sign on the wall in five languages "Don't flush the commode unless > > > > the > > > > train is moving." > > > > > > > > More later, > > > > Belle > > > > Belle > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At one school we went to in Ukraine, about 4 girls were in native dress (very colorful) and they presented us with the traditional bread that had a salt dish in the middle of it, and seems like some other food. They explained what it represented. Emma > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:55:06 -0800 > Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > Back home to Munich and the OCTOBERFEST. Quite a bunch of happy people, eating, drinking, dancing . The tents were packed with all kinds of people in their native dress . Many musicians wandering through the crowds A fun time for all. > > Belle > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/

Did your pastor tell about the rest rooms? I don't know about the men's room, but for the ladies, there was a hole in the floor, no seat, you had to hit that hole in the floor. At one place (maybe an airport) they had just remodeled. I said it was a nice hole in the floor, all tiled, but it was still a hole in the floor. Emma > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:34:06 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > My pastor took a group of men to Russia several years ago and the stories he tells are very similar to yours. Cold showers in the dead of winter was the pits. Then he went back to the Ukraine and taught some classes, with the aid of an interpreter. > We worked in the Dominican Republic for three years and I can identify with the hitchhiking. You get in a "taxi" that, in the U.S. would hold 5 people, and by the time you reach your destination there would be 9 or 10 people, along with live chickens and who know what else. Most people had no cars so you walked to the nearest grocery store or the local market, then carried your purchases back in reusable bags. All 4 of us had to go in order to take enough groceries back for a week > Washing clothes was the hardest and most time consuming thing. My clothes were nothing to wash, but try jeans for three males. It didn't take long before everyone was doing their own. Then we were told that it was expected for the white people to hire maids to do their cooking and washing. > When visiting in individual homes, the people were very kind and generous. They would insist that you eat with them, even though you knew that they couldn't really afford to feed you. > > Kay > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/

The age of the classes we visited were from possibly 7 yrs of age up to 15 yr olds, maybe older. The boys that Tanya told to sit down and shut up were some of the older boys. I don't remember if the teacher was in the room at that time or not. Tanya was a college age girl, maybe 20 years old. Our interpreters were hired from the country we were in. Tanya and several others in Russia, then when I went to the Ukraine, we had college kids from the Udraine. I think, but I'm not sure, that the only requirement was that they spoke English. The kids we hired were really sweet kids, trying so hard to please us. One day we had gone to the Science Museum at the Naval Academy, then we were going to do something else, so we stopped at a fast food place to eat. I told Tanya to order whatever she wanted and I would pay for it. She just got the hamburger and something to drink. I ddin't think she would have extra money of her own. She lived with her grandmother, her parents were scientists but they lived somewhere else. You mentioned the food. In the Ukraine, when we went to one school, the principal told us they fixed a tea for us. At that time, there was just two of us from our team (a girl about 18 and me) and the missionary's 10 year old daughter. The man on our team had been detained, bringing a bus load of our luggage from Kiev because of the fog. I thought of a tea as having coffee or tea with some cookies or small cakes. NO WAY. They had prepared a meal. Each teacher had brought a dish, they had used their best tableware. Like you said, you knew they couldn't afford all of this but they did it for the "American" that came to their school. I made sure I tasted each dish. The girls only got what looked good. I told them, these ladies are poor, and they're honoring us with this food. Then, I was caught off guard. The principal wanted to know how much I made. I didn't want to tell. I asked my interpreter (can't remember her name) if I should say. She said they want to know but it was up to me. Finally, I told them. Then, they wanted to know what my expenses were and how I could afford this trip. When I started telling them what my monthly expenses were, then they realized that I wasn't that rich American after all. We never knew what was coming next. <g> Because of being fogged in the whole week we were in the Ukraine, we had to take a train ride back to Kiev. We were told that was one thing our sponsor hadn't wanted for anyone to do because of the Mafia so prevalent over there. They added a car on the end of the train for us, and at one time during the night, we were side tracked for over an hour. I said the Mafia missed a good chance to rob that car load of "rich" Americans. Emma > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:33:32 -0800 > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > Emma, > > That had to be a very interesting time!! I have never had any desire to > travel over-seas. My sister-in-law in N.C. & her friend from church had > planned to go to all the countries in the Bible & this was right before we > started to have all our problems over there. As it turned out, the travel > agency that they had booked their trip through..they canceled their > reservations at the last minute because of all that was transpiring over > there. I know that Bonnie & Mary were disappointed; however, after they > realized all the problems over there, I think they were glad that they > didn't go through on their trip. > > You were lucky that you had an interpreter like Tanya to go with you. > Approximately how 'old' were these boys that got smart-mouthed? Just was > curious as to what age you were visiting when you went to the classes, > that's all. > > My husband & I stayed on an island off of South American (1 of the A-B-C > Islands) & those cab drivers there could cause a person to drink & I don't > drink!! They too would drive up over curbs & on sidewalks. People over > there thought nothing of parking on sidewalks. We had one guy who was blind > in one eye & he had to lean his head out of the window so that he could see > with his good eye? > > Looking forward to hearing about your trip coming home. > > ~J > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roses" <[email protected]> > To: "southern-chat" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:00 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > I went with a group called "Affect Destiny" with the Assemblies of God > denomination. I had already been supporting them, sending an offering in > each month, then I saw the notice in the church paper how to go on one of > the trips. I went in October 1993, this was after my husband died. I had > some extra money and I just knew I HAD to go. I sent in a request for an > application but you had to have 3 references to tell about you. The people > I asked, for one reason or another, had not sent in their reference > (vacations, etc). But I got a phone call that if I could be ready to go by > Oct 15, there was a group from the northwest going and I could go with them. > It seemed like everything I needed, it happened. I was scared and yet > excited. > > We flew from Seattle to Anchorage, then boarded a Russian plane for > Khavorosk (sp) Russia. As I mentioned earlier, our flight plans had changed > at the last minute so our guide had to frantically find a hotel for 30 > people at the last minute. It would have been condemned on any of our skid > rows. The covers were damp, the bathroom down the hall was a disgrace. The > guide apologized but to find somewhere we could go, he said that was all he > could find. The next day we flew to Vladivostok where our mission would > take place. We went in groups of 4 to the different schools in the town and > gave out booklets of the life of Jesus, taken from the Bible. There was 3 > from the team with an interpreter. Since I was the oldest in our group > (this was 20 years ago) they would bring a chair for me to sit in in the > classroom. I tried to refuse but my interpreter said they were honoring me > as an older person and i should sit. I got an education in the manners > there. One class, some older boys were being smart-mouthed, Tanya (our > interpreter going to college) told them to sit down and shut up. They did > too. We ate lunch at the school with the kids. They always had a type of > soup, lots of times borsch, and a lot of pork. I wouldln't say it was > always my favorite food but it was eatable. They always had hot tea > (lukewarm tea) served in glasses. The kids were typical school kids, I > loved them. We took pictures of each class we were in and they all wanted > to be in the picture. > > The guide had arranged for taxis to come take us to the school (we were > scattered throughout the city), then wait and take us back to the hotel. > One time, he didn't wait and we had to wait for him to come pick us up. We > were supposed to be back at the hotel around a certain time and he drove > like a fox turned loose to get us back there. Of course by then it was rush > hour traffic. Would you believe he went up on the sidewalk to drive around > a bunch of cars, and I don't mean going slowly either. No seat belts. > Another time the driver didn't wait but didn't come back to pick us up. > Tanya and the secretary of the school talked a bit, then we ended up walking > a block over to the main highway and they started hitchhiking. We pooled > our money to pay the driver. When a man stopped, Tanya negotiated for him > to take us to the hotel, paid him the money and we got in. I told her my > kids wouldn't believe their mother was hitchhiking in Russia. She wanted to > know if I was scared, I said not as long as I was with her. I guess that's > not unusual to do. One taxi driver we had several times and he would talk > to us (Tanya interpreting). He had fought in the Great War, what he called > WW II. Very friendly. > > The schools were large, not much of a playground though. They had two > sessions to accommodate all the kids in that area. The principal's took > pride in their schools. > > I'll continue later about coming home. > > Emma > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:29:11 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > What a wonderful way to travel-on missions trips! I would love to hear > > about the people you met. Did you help in building a church or teaching, > > just tell us more details. > > Kay > > > > > > > > In a message dated 01/12/10 04:28:13 Central Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Yes, I went on Missions trips both times. First I went to Vladivostok > > Russia (just above Korea and across the sea from Japan), flying from > > Anchorage. But our flight changed coming home and instead of coming back > > to Anchorage, we flew to Moscow for overnight, then to New York then back > > to Seattle then Portland. I flew around the top of the world, literally. > > > > A year later, I went to Donetsk Ukraine, via Frankfurt Germany and Kiev > > Ukraine, both ways. Both trips for 10 days each. And, this was a gal that > > never wanted to leave the United States. > > > > Emma > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > From: [email protected] > > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:13:25 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > > > Miss Emma you've been to Russia? > > > Linda,wish I could go > > > ------Original Message------ > > > From: Roses > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > To: southern-chat > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > Sent: Jan 11, 2010 10:59 PM > > > > > > > > > In Unkraine, the toilets are at the end of each car too. There are > > > little cubicles all along the side with one long aisle. There were two > > > sets of bunk beds in each cubicle with just room to walk between them. > > > Those bunks were 'hard' too. > > > > > > Emma > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:38:14 -0800 > > > > Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > > > > > We visited Salzburg, Austria. Saw Mozart's home. His pianoforte and > > > > pages of music he had written were on display. > > > > Saw the locations used in "The Sound of Music". > > > > We went on to Zurich , Switzerland, spent one day going through the > > > > shops and candy stores. Then on to Lucerne, Switzerland. Standing by > > > > the lake, seeing the quiet water like a glass table and smelling the > > > > chocolate from the eateries, made one feel that all must be right with > > > > the world. The people were so nice. > > > > The South of France is really beautiful, no wonder so many rich folks > > > > go there to live. One can see the many places from the train window. > > > > The French trains go fast! The toilets at the end of each car have a > > > > sign on the wall in five languages "Don't flush the commode unless the > > > > train is moving." > > > > > > > > More later, > > > > Belle > > > > Belle > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/

Oh, how much I want to go to Ireland, Scotland and England. My son lives in England and we have a couple from church who are leaving sometime this year to be missionaries in Ireland. My best friend is the mother of the guy and I know she will visit, so am hoping we can go together. My husband has vowed never to fly again, so he's not going with me. Kay In a message dated 01/12/10 15:06:35 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Linda...don't have time to write about it now...just let me say...everything is so green, and 'lush'...they don't cut it down, like we do...and the sweetest friendliest people on earth. We toured some cemeteries after we got into Scotland...and found lots of WILLIS and my sister's in laws, McInnis/ MacIInnes. Toured some castles there..I almost fell in one, and caught on the wall and thought I had a broken arm...but didn't tell anyone, until I got back home and went to my doctor. They have made the castles where large crowds can go through...and where it had been steps (I think) they had a ramp like walkway...and it was hard to go down it with people right in front of you, I just sort of went forward with my body...and couldn't step on someone, so lost my balance..the wall next to me was like plastered cement...and I went, full force against it from elbow to shoulder...and it hurt! But I knew our bus driver...he would have insisted on a doctor...and it would have ruined everyone's day...so I said nothing...I tried to hold it, like you would in a sling...and kept feeling to see if it was swelling...(grin))...Luckily...it didn't swell. Just a little the next morning...I told my roommate...(This was a church group) Gotta run...more later Stella ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stella, I agree that travel is becoming more difficult with all the new flying regulations and with the dangers in some countries. But, I still want to go to Europe. Kay In a message dated 01/12/10 11:06:52 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Very interesting, Emma, about Russia. I have a Russian person married into our family and she is absolutely a precious person. I was thinking about your taxi driver that talked to ya'll...about the war. Did it cross yor mind...that your brother, or your husband, friend, whoever, could have shot and killed him, as the enemy? War does not make sense to me. I have never been abroad, anywhere, except to Ireland, Scotland. Would not want to now. All those places you probably wouldn't recognize today. So crowded with all kinds of people. I would be scared to travel now, even if I was able.I had a friend here, in Tuscaloosa from Norway, originally. She had come to live in upper New York when age 16, because her father was a chef on ships. he had a younger brother who married a girl, in the military who was from Tuscaloosa area. So...te settled here, but she stayed in New York for years and worked at Chase Manhatten Bank...and designed clothes. Sears bought her dresses...and she showed me all the notebooks, pictures, clippings etc...a room full...I have always wondered when they now talk about the 'immigrants' who are coming here to live...in the past, most all immigrants brought a line of work, and put their talents to work here and really had a hard life, to get established. I took care of this friend until she died about five years ago. Stella ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Belle, your trip sounds great. Would love to watch someone making lace. Kay In a message dated 01/12/10 10:37:10 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: On to Amsterdam after a brief stop in Brussels. Watched some ladies make lace in a small shop. We got ino Amsterdam on a rainy evening and went straight to the reserved lodging, went to bed. A beautiful bedroom in a private home. Lucy had made the arrangements. It was at the front of the house with a big bay window. I was up first in the morning and looked out the window. I called Lucy and said, "It must have rained a lot last night, the streets are full of water." She started laughing, "Belle, those are the canals." We were served a grand breakfast, meats, cheese,eggs, toast, sweet rolls, juice, milk and tea. We went on the boat ride around the harbor where there were some of the old ships from days gone by, the big sailing ships. We visited the museum and saw great paintings and collections of jeweld snuff boxes, china and other things such as doll houses. A huge display of DELFT china. Back home to Munich and the OCTOBERFEST. Quite a bunch of happy people, eating, drinking, dancing . The tents were packed with all kinds of people in their native dress . Many musicians wandering through the crowds A fun time for all. Belle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My pastor took a group of men to Russia several years ago and the stories he tells are very similar to yours. Cold showers in the dead of winter was the pits. Then he went back to the Ukraine and taught some classes, with the aid of an interpreter. We worked in the Dominican Republic for three years and I can identify with the hitchhiking. You get in a "taxi" that, in the U.S. would hold 5 people, and by the time you reach your destination there would be 9 or 10 people, along with live chickens and who know what else. Most people had no cars so you walked to the nearest grocery store or the local market, then carried your purchases back in reusable bags. All 4 of us had to go in order to take enough groceries back for a week Washing clothes was the hardest and most time consuming thing. My clothes were nothing to wash, but try jeans for three males. It didn't take long before everyone was doing their own. Then we were told that it was expected for the white people to hire maids to do their cooking and washing. The only problem was that food and my underwear and jewelry disappeared on a regular basis. It wasn't considered stealing, because we were considered rich and could easily replace what had been taken. When visiting in individual homes, the people were very kind and generous. They would insist that you eat with them, even though you knew that they couldn't really afford to feed you. Nothing has been said about the earthquake being felt in the D.R but I don't see how Haiti could be so devastated and not the D.R. Kay In a message dated 01/12/10 10:01:02 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I went with a group called "Affect Destiny" with the Assemblies of God denomination. I had already been supporting them, sending an offering in each month, then I saw the notice in the church paper how to go on one of the trips. I went in October 1993, this was after my husband died. I had some extra money and I just knew I HAD to go. I sent in a request for an application but you had to have 3 references to tell about you. The people I asked, for one reason or another, had not sent in their reference (vacations, etc). But I got a phone call that if I could be ready to go by Oct 15, there was a group from the northwest going and I could go with them. It seemed like everything I needed, it happened. I was scared and yet excited. We flew from Seattle to Anchorage, then boarded a Russian plane for Khavorosk (sp) Russia. As I mentioned earlier, our flight plans had changed at the last minute so our guide had to frantically find a hotel for 30 people at the last minute. It would have been condemned on any of our skid rows. The covers were damp, the bathroom down the hall was a disgrace. The guide apologized but to find somewhere we could go, he said that was all he could find. The next day we flew to Vladivostok where our mission would take place. We went in groups of 4 to the different schools in the town and gave out booklets of the life of Jesus, taken from the Bible. There was 3 from the team with an interpreter. Since I was the oldest in our group (this was 20 years ago) they would bring a chair for me to sit in in the classroom. I tried to refuse but my interpreter said they were honoring me as an older person and i should sit. I got an education in the manners there. One class, some ol! der boys were being smart-mouthed, Tanya (our interpreter going to college) told them to sit down and shut up. They did too. We ate lunch at the school with the kids. They always had a type of soup, lots of times borsch, and a lot of pork. I wouldln't say it was always my favorite food but it was eatable. They always had hot tea (lukewarm tea) served in glasses. The kids were typical school kids, I loved them. We took pictures of each class we were in and they all wanted to be in the picture. The guide had arranged for taxis to come take us to the school (we were scattered throughout the city), then wait and take us back to the hotel. One time, he didn't wait and we had to wait for him to come pick us up. We were supposed to be back at the hotel around a certain time and he drove like a fox turned loose to get us back there. Of course by then it was rush hour traffic. Would you believe he went up on the sidewalk to drive around a bunch of cars, and I don't mean going slowly either. No seat belts. Another time the driver didn't wait but didn't come back to pick us up. Tanya and the secretary of the school talked a bit, then we ended up walking a block over to the main highway and they started hitchhiking. We pooled our money to pay the driver. When a man stopped, Tanya negotiated for him to take us to the hotel, paid him the money and we got in. I told her my kids wouldn't believe their mother was hitchhiking in Russia. She wanted to know if I was scare! d, I said not as long as I was with her. I guess that's not unusual to do. One taxi driver we had several times and he would talk to us (Tanya interpreting). He had fought in the Great War, what he called WW II. Very friendly. The schools were large, not much of a playground though. They had two sessions to accommodate all the kids in that area. The principal's took pride in their schools. I'll continue later about coming home. Emma > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:29:11 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > What a wonderful way to travel-on missions trips! I would love to hear about the people you met. Did you help in building a church or teaching, just tell us more details. > Kay > > > > In a message dated 01/12/10 04:28:13 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Yes, I went on Missions trips both times. First I went to Vladivostok Russia (just above Korea and across the sea from Japan), flying from Anchorage. But our flight changed coming home and instead of coming back to Anchorage, we flew to Moscow for overnight, then to New York then back to Seattle then Portland. I flew around the top of the world, literally. > > A year later, I went to Donetsk Ukraine, via Frankfurt Germany and Kiev Ukraine, both ways. Both trips for 10 days each. And, this was a gal that never wanted to leave the United States. > > Emma > > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:13:25 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > Miss Emma you've been to Russia? > > Linda,wish I could go > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Roses > > Sender: [email protected] > > To: southern-chat > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > Sent: Jan 11, 2010 10:59 PM > > > > > > In Unkraine, the toilets are at the end of each car too. There are little cubicles all along the side with one long aisle. There were two sets of bunk beds in each cubicle with just room to walk between them. Those bunks were 'hard' too. > > > > Emma > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:38:14 -0800 > > > Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > > > We visited Salzburg, Austria. Saw Mozart's home. His pianoforte and pages of music he had written were on display. > > > Saw the locations used in "The Sound of Music". > > > We went on to Zurich , Switzerland, spent one day going through the shops and candy stores. Then on to Lucerne, Switzerland. Standing by the lake, seeing the quiet water like a glass table and smelling the chocolate from the eateries, made one feel that all must be right with the world. The people were so nice. > > > The South of France is really beautiful, no wonder so many rich folks go there to live. One can see the many places from the train window. The French trains go fast! The toilets at the end of each car have a sign on the wall in five languages "Don't flush the commode unless the train is moving." > > > > > > More later, > > > Belle > > > Belle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Miss Emma,you sure sound like you learned from them and you taught them about Jesus.You are a blessing. Linda,God bless you Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Roses <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:20:56 To: southern-chat<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. The part of Russia I saw was waan't the best part of town. We were told to wear sturdy shoes and yes, you needed them. A lot of the sidewalks were uneven to walk on. Not all, but some. Tanya took me into some stores so I could buy some souvenirs and it was a typical dept store. Coming home, we had to come back thru Moscow. We got to go to Gum dept store, but it's not just one store, it's a collection of shops all under one roof, similar to what Lloyd Center was when it opened. We were in Red Square, and there were a lot of venders there, selling everything. We went thru Lenin's tomb. It's kept on the dark side inside, no cameras are allowed inside. I held onto one of the men's arm so I wouldn't stumble. Our guide's grandfather had fought in the 1917 Revolution and he was buried there at Red Square. When we went to the airport to come home, there are two sections at the airport, one for domestic flights, and the other for foreign flights. The domestic flights are crowded and the flight we were on coming to Russia, they had a goat on the plane. When we left to fly back to America, we were on a new Aeroflot plane, really snazzy. The service we received on all our flights was very good, the food was good. I don't know if we got better service because we were a bunch of Americans, or not, but I didn't have any complaints. Our leader kept our passports and visas and he knew more about getting us thru all the ins and outs, we didn't have to worry about anything. Emma > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:50:28 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > How did you like Russia?What were the people like? > Linda,just wondering > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roses <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:28:01 > To: southern-chat<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > Yes, I went on Missions trips both times. First I went to Vladivostok Russia (just above Korea and across the sea from Japan), flying from Anchorage. But our flight changed coming home and instead of coming back to Anchorage, we flew to Moscow for overnight, then to New York then back to Seattle then Portland. I flew around the top of the world, literally. > > A year later, I went to Donetsk Ukraine, via Frankfurt Germany and Kiev Ukraine, both ways. Both trips for 10 days each. And, this was a gal that never wanted to leave the United States. > > Emma > > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:13:25 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > Miss Emma you've been to Russia? > > Linda,wish I could go > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Roses > > Sender: [email protected] > > To: southern-chat > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > Sent: Jan 11, 2010 10:59 PM > > > > > > In Unkraine, the toilets are at the end of each car too. There are little cubicles all along the side with one long aisle. There were two sets of bunk beds in each cubicle with just room to walk between them. Those bunks were 'hard' too. > > > > Emma > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:38:14 -0800 > > > Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > > > We visited Salzburg, Austria. Saw Mozart's home. His pianoforte and pages of music he had written were on display. > > > Saw the locations used in "The Sound of Music". > > > We went on to Zurich , Switzerland, spent one day going through the shops and candy stores. Then on to Lucerne, Switzerland. Standing by the lake, seeing the quiet water like a glass table and smelling the chocolate from the eateries, made one feel that all must be right with the world. The people were so nice. > > > The South of France is really beautiful, no wonder so many rich folks go there to live. One can see the many places from the train window. The French trains go fast! The toilets at the end of each car have a sign on the wall in five languages "Don't flush the commode unless the train is moving." > > > > > > More later, > > > Belle > > > Belle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >_________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are quite a few Russians here or where .Tecnically Russia still owns this area.They used to log this area and had logging camps here.Some of the older homes look like russian homes.The onion shaped tops and such like that. I'm sure you heard abt the Zars missing daughter "Anastaia"?They said for years that she had escaped being killed.When they finally went over the area with a fine toothed comb they found all the bones for the royal family.They took DNA from living family members. Linda,me and tid bits of history ------Original Message------ From: Belle Shepherd Sender: [email protected] To: southern-chat[email protected] To: [email protected] ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels Sent: Jan 12, 2010 3:11 PM I had planned a trip to Scotland , Ireland and England but wasn't able to make it, the closest I got was flying over on my way to Germany and they are green, really green. My paternal ancestors were from these countries. I have read many books and seen many pictures of all. Some of my cousins have made the trip and have told me how nice the people were to them. One cousin was in England for several years. I should have gone over while she was there. There is a book "Ireland" that goes way, way back into Irish history that you might enjoy reading. I think the author was McCourt. I gave my copy to my grandson so I can't check right now. He went over some time ago and really enjoyed the trip. The stories about The trip to Russia are very interesting.I have not known but one person who claimed to be Russian. She was the elderly mother of my neighbor in Ohio in 1944. She didn't speak very good English but claimed to be one of the Princesses that escaped during the 1917 shootings. I never really paid much attention. She may have been one of them. I like the music of the Russian composers. Belle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

The part of Russia I saw was waan't the best part of town. We were told to wear sturdy shoes and yes, you needed them. A lot of the sidewalks were uneven to walk on. Not all, but some. Tanya took me into some stores so I could buy some souvenirs and it was a typical dept store. Coming home, we had to come back thru Moscow. We got to go to Gum dept store, but it's not just one store, it's a collection of shops all under one roof, similar to what Lloyd Center was when it opened. We were in Red Square, and there were a lot of venders there, selling everything. We went thru Lenin's tomb. It's kept on the dark side inside, no cameras are allowed inside. I held onto one of the men's arm so I wouldn't stumble. Our guide's grandfather had fought in the 1917 Revolution and he was buried there at Red Square. When we went to the airport to come home, there are two sections at the airport, one for domestic flights, and the other for foreign flights. The domestic flights are crowded and the flight we were on coming to Russia, they had a goat on the plane. When we left to fly back to America, we were on a new Aeroflot plane, really snazzy. The service we received on all our flights was very good, the food was good. I don't know if we got better service because we were a bunch of Americans, or not, but I didn't have any complaints. Our leader kept our passports and visas and he knew more about getting us thru all the ins and outs, we didn't have to worry about anything. Emma > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:50:28 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > How did you like Russia?What were the people like? > Linda,just wondering > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roses <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:28:01 > To: southern-chat<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > Yes, I went on Missions trips both times. First I went to Vladivostok Russia (just above Korea and across the sea from Japan), flying from Anchorage. But our flight changed coming home and instead of coming back to Anchorage, we flew to Moscow for overnight, then to New York then back to Seattle then Portland. I flew around the top of the world, literally. > > A year later, I went to Donetsk Ukraine, via Frankfurt Germany and Kiev Ukraine, both ways. Both trips for 10 days each. And, this was a gal that never wanted to leave the United States. > > Emma > > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:13:25 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > Miss Emma you've been to Russia? > > Linda,wish I could go > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Roses > > Sender: [email protected] > > To: southern-chat > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > Sent: Jan 11, 2010 10:59 PM > > > > > > In Unkraine, the toilets are at the end of each car too. There are little cubicles all along the side with one long aisle. There were two sets of bunk beds in each cubicle with just room to walk between them. Those bunks were 'hard' too. > > > > Emma > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:38:14 -0800 > > > Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. > > > > > > We visited Salzburg, Austria. Saw Mozart's home. His pianoforte and pages of music he had written were on display. > > > Saw the locations used in "The Sound of Music". > > > We went on to Zurich , Switzerland, spent one day going through the shops and candy stores. Then on to Lucerne, Switzerland. Standing by the lake, seeing the quiet water like a glass table and smelling the chocolate from the eateries, made one feel that all must be right with the world. The people were so nice. > > > The South of France is really beautiful, no wonder so many rich folks go there to live. One can see the many places from the train window. The French trains go fast! The toilets at the end of each car have a sign on the wall in five languages "Don't flush the commode unless the train is moving." > > > > > > More later, > > > Belle > > > Belle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/

Sounds like you made some good memories for them and yourself.They sound like lovely people.Before the revolution they were a Christian country. Linda Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Miss Stella,Scotland ,Ireland !C'mon now tell us about them.I have a whole lot of folks from Scotland,Presbyterians again.So what's it like there? Linda,going around the world on the S C list. ------Original Message------ From: Stella Roper Sender: [email protected] To: [email protected] ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Travels.. Sent: Jan 12, 2010 9:01 AM Very interesting, Emma, about Russia. I have a Russian person married into our family and she is absolutely a precious person. I was thinking about your taxi driver that talked to ya'll...about the war. Did it cross yor mind...that your brother, or your husband, friend, whoever, could have shot and killed him, as the enemy? War does not make sense to me. I have never been abroad, anywhere, except to Ireland, Scotland. Would not want to now. All those places you probably wouldn't recognize today. So crowded with all kinds of people. I would be scared to travel now, even if I was able.I had a friend here, in Tuscaloosa from Norway, originally. She had come to live in upper New York when age 16, because her father was a chef on ships. he had a younger brother who married a girl, in the military who was from Tuscaloosa area. So...te settled here, but she stayed in New York for years and worked at Chase Manhatten Bank...and designed clothes. Sears bought her dresses...and she showed me all the notebooks, pictures, clippings etc...a room full...I have always wondered when they now talk about the 'immigrants' who are coming here to live...in the past, most all immigrants brought a line of work, and put their talents to work here and really had a hard life, to get established. I took care of this friend until she died about five years ago. Stella ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T