Jen, I think we have a current generation of mixed values and standards . Too many kids raised on cereal and fast foods,uneducated as to a decent way of life. How many of them will be able to post and share experiences as we have done when they reach our age? How many of them have learned the basics of survival without their gadgets and buttons to push? Not many! I am really concerned about what the next generation will face with the crap going on now and what will be left for them to live with. I have five Great-grandchildren ranging in age from 6 weeks to 19 yrs.What obstacles will they have to deal with in order to survive? They currently have responsible parents but what about other things? Can't depend on the schools the way they are now operated. Regards, Belle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen LaBonte" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [HS] Good old days.. > Dear Belle, > > You make so much sense!! Although we grew up in a different generation I > can really relate to what you said in your e-mail. > > When I was little, I used to go over to our neighbors & sit on their front > porch. They had a swing that 2-3 people could sit on & of course, they had > rockers. Just like you described. > > We didn't have TV then. I think if we wanted to get the news, we either > read the newspaper or listened to the radio. I sure things were also talked > about..but I was quite young then & I'm sure that things were said so that I > would not be able to hear them. Those were the days when it was a big > secret when people got a divorce...nowadays, it seems like it's an every day > occurrence. > > I grew up in the Midwest in IL..and I loved the first house which we lived > in. When I went back to see it before it was razed, it looked so small. > And yet when I lived there until I was 8 yrs old...it seemed so very large > to me!! > > We don't have any fancy gadgets like cell phones or the likes. I attended a > meeting tonight & was surprised when this woman across from me kept letting > her cell phone ring. It was loud & it was rude. Someone told her to turn > it off..but NO, she couldn't do that. Finally she got up & went outside the > room we were in & I guess made her personal phone calls out there. > > We don't have a cell phone. We do have a cordless one. However, that one > always stays right where it belongs. I don't care to start looking for it > when it rings. Our phone in our bedroom went out & my husband went out to > the store & bought a phone for $9.95. I know that our other phone cost more > than that one...and yet this one works just as well as the other one does! > He keeps that in the corner in the kitchen. I was getting tired of people > calling early in the morning..this way, I never hear the phone when it > rings. > > Because we live in a little town up in the mountains, we don't have many > place to shop, so we do go to Wal-Mart a lot. I do remember when I was > younger, we had Dime Stores...or little shops that had a little bit of > everything in them...sort of like mercantile stores. Nowadays, people > wouldn't know what to do if they didn't have their Wal-Mart or other chain > stores to shop in. Of course, when these chain stores came into > being...they put all the other small stores out of business. > > ~Jen in AZ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Belle Shepherd" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:07 PM > Subject: [HS] Good old days.. > > > > Hello all, > > Yes, I think we really did have 'good old days.'ot so many fancy things to > > help do the daily chores but an atmosphere of accomplishment when we had > > completed a task. We had trust in our neighbors, our merchants, our > > doctors, our teachers and others. Security Systems wired into our homes > > was unheard of. No need. No loudmouth female newscasters with BREAKING > > NEWS! The weekly news paper and the ;Rocking Chair Brigade kept us > > informed of anything of importance, births, deaths, marriages and new > > shipments of merchandise to the General store. > > > > Most of the homes had large front porchs, room for a swing and several > > chairs, many of them rockers. The occupants kept a watch on the town and > > kept all informed. Who had a tea party, who attended and what did they > > wear. Who drove to Atlanta on a shopping trip and who did they visit. > > Important stuff like that. > > > > No one was concerned about 'home invasions', over priced gas and food. No > > wireless phones to lose behind the sofa cushions, no cell phones possibly > > giving our kids brain tumors, no cash advances on our Wal-mart receipts > > and best of all "NO WAL -MART'. > > > > Belle > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Belle, it was great not to worry about all the security issues. Just think we used to go to the store, leave items in an unlocked car with the windows down and it was all there when you returned. Now, I lock my car even if I'm only going to be inside for a few minutes before going somewhere else. Kay In a message dated 02/04/10 22:06:16 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello all, Yes, I think we really did have 'good old days.'ot so many fancy things to help do the daily chores but an atmosphere of accomplishment when we had completed a task. We had trust in our neighbors, our merchants, our doctors, our teachers and others. Security Systems wired into our homes was unheard of. No need. No loudmouth female newscasters with BREAKING NEWS! The weekly news paper and the ;Rocking Chair Brigade kept us informed of anything of importance, births, deaths, marriages and new shipments of merchandise to the General store. Most of the homes had large front porchs, room for a swing and several chairs, many of them rockers. The occupants kept a watch on the town and kept all informed. Who had a tea party, who attended and what did they wear. Who drove to Atlanta on a shopping trip and who did they visit. Important stuff like that. No one was concerned about 'home invasions', over priced gas and food. No wireless phones to lose behind the sofa cushions, no cell phones possibly giving our kids brain tumors, no cash advances on our Wal-mart receipts and best of all "NO WAL -MART'. Belle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We never locked the door to our house until about 1970. Then we started locking it most of the time, but still not all of the time. Never had anything stolen either. My husband would go up town and even leave the keys in his pickup. It was so old no one would want it. lol One time, a friend pulled a joke on him. They knew he left his keys in there, so while he was in the store, they moved the PU around the corner of the block. When he came out of the store, no PU. Either he finally found it, or they told him where it was. That didn't break him of leaving the keys in the ignition though. Emma > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:41:45 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Good old days.. > > Belle, it was great not to worry about all the security issues. Just think we used to go to the store, leave items in an unlocked car with the windows down and it was all there when you returned. Now, I lock my car even if I'm only going to be inside for a few minutes before going somewhere else. Kay > > > > In a message dated 02/04/10 22:06:16 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Hello all, > Yes, I think we really did have 'good old days.'ot so many fancy things to help do the daily chores but an atmosphere of accomplishment when we had completed a task. We had trust in our neighbors, our merchants, our doctors, our teachers and others. Security Systems wired into our homes was unheard of. No need. No loudmouth female newscasters with BREAKING NEWS! The weekly news paper and the ;Rocking Chair Brigade kept us informed of anything of importance, births, deaths, marriages and new shipments of merchandise to the General store. > > Most of the homes had large front porchs, room for a swing and several chairs, many of them rockers. The occupants kept a watch on the town and kept all informed. Who had a tea party, who attended and what did they wear. Who drove to Atlanta on a shopping trip and who did they visit. Important stuff like that. > > No one was concerned about 'home invasions', over priced gas and food. No wireless phones to lose behind the sofa cushions, no cell phones possibly giving our kids brain tumors, no cash advances on our Wal-mart receipts and best of all "NO WAL -MART'. > > Belle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/

Miss Belle,what a wonderful time it must have been.Except for the "no walmart" part.There is no walmart here and I can't wait to get to Sacramento or PA where they have walmarts!!I shop and shop when I get there.It's like a carnival to me. Linda,hair all done and fixin to hit the rack ------Original Message------ From: Belle Shepherd Sender: [email protected] To: [email protected] To: [email protected] To: [email protected] ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Good old days.. Sent: Feb 4, 2010 8:07 PM Hello all, Yes, I think we really did have 'good old days.'ot so many fancy things to help do the daily chores but an atmosphere of accomplishment when we had completed a task. We had trust in our neighbors, our merchants, our doctors, our teachers and others. Security Systems wired into our homes was unheard of. No need. No loudmouth female newscasters with BREAKING NEWS! The weekly news paper and the ;Rocking Chair Brigade kept us informed of anything of importance, births, deaths, marriages and new shipments of merchandise to the General store. Most of the homes had large front porchs, room for a swing and several chairs, many of them rockers. The occupants kept a watch on the town and kept all informed. Who had a tea party, who attended and what did they wear. Who drove to Atlanta on a shopping trip and who did they visit. Important stuff like that. No one was concerned about 'home invasions', over priced gas and food. No wireless phones to lose behind the sofa cushions, no cell phones possibly giving our kids brain tumors, no cash advances on our Wal-mart receipts and best of all "NO WAL -MART'. Belle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

maybe wasn't so bad because it was off shore a bit....news said eureka was closest town. wow xoxoxo p. ----- [email protected] wrote: | 6.5 ? Geesh it felt like at the most 4.0 .I just stood up to go to the kitchen and at first I thought I was dizzy or something.But all is well here. | Linda,I'm gettin out of Dodge tomorrow going inland |

6.5 ? Geesh it felt like at the most 4.0 .I just stood up to go to the kitchen and at first I thought I was dizzy or something.But all is well here. Linda,I'm gettin out of Dodge tomorrow going inland ------Original Message------ From: *paula* Sender: [email protected] To: SOUTHERN CHAT ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] earthquake near Eureka.... Sent: Feb 4, 2010 12:49 PM Just heard on news an earthquake of 6.5 near Eureka....c.cakes.... please check in....that has to be in your backyard!! xoxoxo p. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Just heard on news an earthquake of 6.5 near Eureka....c.cakes.... please check in....that has to be in your backyard!! xoxoxo p.

Hello all, Yes, I think we really did have 'good old days.'ot so many fancy things to help do the daily chores but an atmosphere of accomplishment when we had completed a task. We had trust in our neighbors, our merchants, our doctors, our teachers and others. Security Systems wired into our homes was unheard of. No need. No loudmouth female newscasters with BREAKING NEWS! The weekly news paper and the ;Rocking Chair Brigade kept us informed of anything of importance, births, deaths, marriages and new shipments of merchandise to the General store. Most of the homes had large front porchs, room for a swing and several chairs, many of them rockers. The occupants kept a watch on the town and kept all informed. Who had a tea party, who attended and what did they wear. Who drove to Atlanta on a shopping trip and who did they visit. Important stuff like that. No one was concerned about 'home invasions', over priced gas and food. No wireless phones to lose behind the sofa cushions, no cell phones possibly giving our kids brain tumors, no cash advances on our Wal-mart receipts and best of all "NO WAL -MART'. Belle

Well ok ,but they had a farm or should I say farms. I don't know one part from another.My direct line in this came from N C .One from TN the rest I don't know.But it seemed they all came from warmer climates. Linda,they had more courage than I .I would have stayed in NC .Traveling in those days was no piece of cake. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: *paula* <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:41:56 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train./Indiana......continues yello.... I don't imagine Indiana was so bad back in those days. Even now southern Indiana is pretty - with hills and trees. I was talking about NW Indiana - land of the steel mills and refineries. If Indiana had been left as nature had intended, I'm sure it would have been a great place to live - except in the winter here in the NW where it's likely to snow at any moment without warning. Most of this area would not have been good for growing because of the sand. When the glaciers carved out the Great Lakes,,,,all that sand had to go somewhere. So, all depends on which part of Indiana anyone is talking about. I still prefer Florida. xoxoxo *paula* ----- "Linda Rogers" <[email protected]> wrote: | All that is left in this story is the names of the contributors ,the land | claims they recieved and such like that .So I don't think you want me to go | on with it .Suffice it say they got there alive albeit barely.They lost two | children during the trip .One child was born during the trip .They recieved | their land .One of the original cabins is some kind of history marker ,I | visited it when I was a child .There is family still there , I think it's | better than Indiana where they set off from .I'm just thinking this from | what Paula has said abt Indiana . | Linda a happy ending | | On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: | | > I read that ,abt eating her own flesh if she knew how .I thought if I was | > that hungry I would just start biting and chewing. | > Your right we don't know abt being hungry and such.I had to wonder abt | > the children and how they survived and if it affected them in any way later | > on in life. I know that the baby that was born on the trip died at a early | > age. | > Linda,in Ca | > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T | > | > -----Original Message----- | > From: jkaywojack <[email protected]> | > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:41:52 | > To: <[email protected]> | > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train........continues | > | > Interesting story. My generation doesn't don't know what hardship is, | > can't imagine being hungry enough to eat your own flesh. I thing of how we | > say we are starving when a meal is a little late. Kay | > | > | > | > In a message dated 02/02/10 18:41:52 Central Standard Time, | > [email protected] writes: | > We were in the mountains with no food.They were weak,exhausted and almost | > dead. Two scouts went out looking for someone to help them and they were | > found by a herdsman . | > News spread quickly in the valley, and a massive rescue effort was | > underway immediately . People back in the mountains were also at the point | > of starvation. Catherine (Kime) Rickard told her grandaughter that she | > could | > have eaten her own flesh if she had known how to do it. | > The scouts who had started over the mountains heading for the three | > sisters were still not heard from, so a search was made, and their plight | > was even more pitiful. This area was so rugged that the Indians had always | > crossed the cascades by other routes. The young men came across the lava | > flows to the headwaters of the Mckenzie. They werenear death from | > exhaustion | > and starvation, having eaten their horses when they gave out. The stronger | > ones had gone ahead until they could not continue. When someone eventually | > found them, one man had to be cared for for three days before he was able | > to | > travel. | > Even with all of the help by the rescuers, the way down the Middle Fork | > of the Willamette River was rough and dangerous. In two days of travel, the | > river had to be crossed twenty times.Water was high, swift, and cold.One | > woman lost her life when her wagon was overturned. | > The arrived in the vicinity of Eugene in 1853, and passed through the | > town without knowing it. At this time Eugene consisted of one store and a | > blacksmith shop. Bran was substituted for flour. At this time apples could | > be secured for any price, a nd a flour sack of potatoes were .25.**** The | > Rickards wintered north of Skinner"s Butte spring and made (fence) rails of | > fir to get them through the winter. In spring they went on down the valley | > looking for homesteads. Uncle Sib Barclay saw the smoke of their campfire | > and helped them find homesteads.******The three Rickard brothers and George | > Shultz took up contiguos land claims between the emigrant road (now Highway | > 99 west) and the Williamette River, north of the present town of Monroe. | > -- | > Linda Rogers, more to come | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | | ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yello.... I don't imagine Indiana was so bad back in those days. Even now southern Indiana is pretty - with hills and trees. I was talking about NW Indiana - land of the steel mills and refineries. If Indiana had been left as nature had intended, I'm sure it would have been a great place to live - except in the winter here in the NW where it's likely to snow at any moment without warning. Most of this area would not have been good for growing because of the sand. When the glaciers carved out the Great Lakes,,,,all that sand had to go somewhere. So, all depends on which part of Indiana anyone is talking about. I still prefer Florida. xoxoxo *paula* ----- "Linda Rogers" <[email protected]> wrote: | All that is left in this story is the names of the contributors ,the land | claims they recieved and such like that .So I don't think you want me to go | on with it .Suffice it say they got there alive albeit barely.They lost two | children during the trip .One child was born during the trip .They recieved | their land .One of the original cabins is some kind of history marker ,I | visited it when I was a child .There is family still there , I think it's | better than Indiana where they set off from .I'm just thinking this from | what Paula has said abt Indiana . | Linda a happy ending | | On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: | | > I read that ,abt eating her own flesh if she knew how .I thought if I was | > that hungry I would just start biting and chewing. | > Your right we don't know abt being hungry and such.I had to wonder abt | > the children and how they survived and if it affected them in any way later | > on in life. I know that the baby that was born on the trip died at a early | > age. | > Linda,in Ca | > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T | > | > -----Original Message----- | > From: jkaywojack <[email protected]> | > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:41:52 | > To: <[email protected]> | > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train........continues | > | > Interesting story. My generation doesn't don't know what hardship is, | > can't imagine being hungry enough to eat your own flesh. I thing of how we | > say we are starving when a meal is a little late. Kay | > | > | > | > In a message dated 02/02/10 18:41:52 Central Standard Time, | > [email protected] writes: | > We were in the mountains with no food.They were weak,exhausted and almost | > dead. Two scouts went out looking for someone to help them and they were | > found by a herdsman . | > News spread quickly in the valley, and a massive rescue effort was | > underway immediately . People back in the mountains were also at the point | > of starvation. Catherine (Kime) Rickard told her grandaughter that she | > could | > have eaten her own flesh if she had known how to do it. | > The scouts who had started over the mountains heading for the three | > sisters were still not heard from, so a search was made, and their plight | > was even more pitiful. This area was so rugged that the Indians had always | > crossed the cascades by other routes. The young men came across the lava | > flows to the headwaters of the Mckenzie. They werenear death from | > exhaustion | > and starvation, having eaten their horses when they gave out. The stronger | > ones had gone ahead until they could not continue. When someone eventually | > found them, one man had to be cared for for three days before he was able | > to | > travel. | > Even with all of the help by the rescuers, the way down the Middle Fork | > of the Willamette River was rough and dangerous. In two days of travel, the | > river had to be crossed twenty times.Water was high, swift, and cold.One | > woman lost her life when her wagon was overturned. | > The arrived in the vicinity of Eugene in 1853, and passed through the | > town without knowing it. At this time Eugene consisted of one store and a | > blacksmith shop. Bran was substituted for flour. At this time apples could | > be secured for any price, a nd a flour sack of potatoes were .25.**** The | > Rickards wintered north of Skinner"s Butte spring and made (fence) rails of | > fir to get them through the winter. In spring they went on down the valley | > looking for homesteads. Uncle Sib Barclay saw the smoke of their campfire | > and helped them find homesteads.******The three Rickard brothers and George | > Shultz took up contiguos land claims between the emigrant road (now Highway | > 99 west) and the Williamette River, north of the present town of Monroe. | > -- | > Linda Rogers, more to come | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | |

----- Original Message ----- From: Doris To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [KYHeritageFolklore] The end??Not yet111 / Belle  Oh please keep the stories coming Belle.............I love reading them. I may not comment on each one, but I do read them all and really enjoy them. Sometimes I think that I was born at the wrong time and in the wrong place after reading stories such as yours. LOL I know that's not true though, because I believe that God has a plan for all of us and we're exactly where He wants us to be. Hugs, Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: Belle Shepherd To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [KYHeritageFolklore] The end??Not yet111  Mary, I didn't mean it was the end for my posting, I meant that those folks in the Church and at the picnic thought it was possibly 'the end' of the world as had been predicted, Many folks beleive in strange things and twist them around to fit their own feelings though they have nothing to back them up. I hear that 'ignorance is bliss' and we have had many ignorant people among us and it will always be that way. We have had among us many nomadic winos going about telling stories and deleting and adding bits of information for their audiences in their travels. We will never know the complete stories of many things, only bits and pieces to fit together and try to make sense. Sorry you misunderstood me. I have lots more to write about if anyone wants to read it. Regards, Belle ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Richmond To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [KYHeritageFolklore] The end??? Oh Bell, I hate to end this. This has been so much fun and so exciting. If you find you have afterthoughts feel free to let us hear. I am sure that everyone enjoyed this as much as I. Your parents seemed wonderful and I know you were proud of them. Mary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Belle Shepherd <[email protected]> wrote: From: Belle Shepherd <[email protected]> Subject: [KYHeritageFolklore] The end??? To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 9:15 PM One summer night during one of my mothers "Moonlight picnics" on the front lawn , there was a loud 'KABOOM', the ground shook, some guests started screaming! We could hear more screaming coming from the small African-American Church that was a short distance away. The gas storage tank at the small depot with one track running through town, had somehow caught on fire and exploded. Pieces of hot metal were flying around . One of the large bands landed in our yard just missing some of the terrified picnicers. The depot was less than a half mile down the paved road that ran in front of our house. The Congegation from the Church kept screaming that it was 'the end of the world.' My Dad left the huge iron ring on the ground, later planted a tree in the middle of it. I went back many years later and there was a large tree growing in the middle of the round band, no one had moved it. A cousin then lived there but wasn't home so I wasn't able to see the rest of the house. All signs of the slave cabins were gone, no barn or smokehouse either. A double garage had been added to one side of the house. The small Churchwas gone, no depot or railroad track, The new one was not close to the little town. Belle __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Start a New Topic LIST URL's to better help you find your way around Home Page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KYHeritageFolklore Photo Page: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/KYHeritageFolklore/lst Message Page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KYHeritageFolklore/messages Files Page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KYHeritageFolklore/files/ MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use. __,_._,___

In passing, I think they said it was 6.0 but like you said, it was off shore. Emma > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 21:04:50 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] earthquake near Eureka.... > > maybe wasn't so bad because it was off shore a bit....news said eureka was closest town. wow > > xoxoxo > p. > ----- [email protected] wrote: > | 6.5 ? Geesh it felt like at the most 4.0 .I just stood up to go to the kitchen and at first I thought I was dizzy or something.But all is well here. > | Linda,I'm gettin out of Dodge tomorrow going inland > | > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/

All that is left in this story is the names of the contributors ,the land claims they recieved and such like that .So I don't think you want me to go on with it .Suffice it say they got there alive albeit barely.They lost two children during the trip .One child was born during the trip .They recieved their land .One of the original cabins is some kind of history marker ,I visited it when I was a child .There is family still there , I think it's better than Indiana where they set off from .I'm just thinking this from what Paula has said abt Indiana . Linda a happy ending On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I read that ,abt eating her own flesh if she knew how .I thought if I was > that hungry I would just start biting and chewing. > Your right we don't know abt being hungry and such.I had to wonder abt > the children and how they survived and if it affected them in any way later > on in life. I know that the baby that was born on the trip died at a early > age. > Linda,in Ca > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jkaywojack <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:41:52 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train........continues > > Interesting story. My generation doesn't don't know what hardship is, > can't imagine being hungry enough to eat your own flesh. I thing of how we > say we are starving when a meal is a little late. Kay > > > > In a message dated 02/02/10 18:41:52 Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > We were in the mountains with no food.They were weak,exhausted and almost > dead. Two scouts went out looking for someone to help them and they were > found by a herdsman . > News spread quickly in the valley, and a massive rescue effort was > underway immediately . People back in the mountains were also at the point > of starvation. Catherine (Kime) Rickard told her grandaughter that she > could > have eaten her own flesh if she had known how to do it. > The scouts who had started over the mountains heading for the three > sisters were still not heard from, so a search was made, and their plight > was even more pitiful. This area was so rugged that the Indians had always > crossed the cascades by other routes. The young men came across the lava > flows to the headwaters of the Mckenzie. They werenear death from > exhaustion > and starvation, having eaten their horses when they gave out. The stronger > ones had gone ahead until they could not continue. When someone eventually > found them, one man had to be cared for for three days before he was able > to > travel. > Even with all of the help by the rescuers, the way down the Middle Fork > of the Willamette River was rough and dangerous. In two days of travel, the > river had to be crossed twenty times.Water was high, swift, and cold.One > woman lost her life when her wagon was overturned. > The arrived in the vicinity of Eugene in 1853, and passed through the > town without knowing it. At this time Eugene consisted of one store and a > blacksmith shop. Bran was substituted for flour. At this time apples could > be secured for any price, a nd a flour sack of potatoes were .25.**** The > Rickards wintered north of Skinner"s Butte spring and made (fence) rails of > fir to get them through the winter. In spring they went on down the valley > looking for homesteads. Uncle Sib Barclay saw the smoke of their campfire > and helped them find homesteads.******The three Rickard brothers and George > Shultz took up contiguos land claims between the emigrant road (now Highway > 99 west) and the Williamette River, north of the present town of Monroe. > -- > Linda Rogers, more to come > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Linda Rogers

I read that ,abt eating her own flesh if she knew how .I thought if I was that hungry I would just start biting and chewing. Your right we don't know abt being hungry and such.I had to wonder abt the children and how they survived and if it affected them in any way later on in life. I know that the baby that was born on the trip died at a early age. Linda,in Ca Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jkaywojack <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:41:52 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train........continues Interesting story. My generation doesn't don't know what hardship is, can't imagine being hungry enough to eat your own flesh. I thing of how we say we are starving when a meal is a little late. Kay In a message dated 02/02/10 18:41:52 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: We were in the mountains with no food.They were weak,exhausted and almost dead. Two scouts went out looking for someone to help them and they were found by a herdsman . News spread quickly in the valley, and a massive rescue effort was underway immediately . People back in the mountains were also at the point of starvation. Catherine (Kime) Rickard told her grandaughter that she could have eaten her own flesh if she had known how to do it. The scouts who had started over the mountains heading for the three sisters were still not heard from, so a search was made, and their plight was even more pitiful. This area was so rugged that the Indians had always crossed the cascades by other routes. The young men came across the lava flows to the headwaters of the Mckenzie. They werenear death from exhaustion and starvation, having eaten their horses when they gave out. The stronger ones had gone ahead until they could not continue. When someone eventually found them, one man had to be cared for for three days before he was able to travel. Even with all of the help by the rescuers, the way down the Middle Fork of the Willamette River was rough and dangerous. In two days of travel, the river had to be crossed twenty times.Water was high, swift, and cold.One woman lost her life when her wagon was overturned. The arrived in the vicinity of Eugene in 1853, and passed through the town without knowing it. At this time Eugene consisted of one store and a blacksmith shop. Bran was substituted for flour. At this time apples could be secured for any price, a nd a flour sack of potatoes were .25.**** The Rickards wintered north of Skinner"s Butte spring and made (fence) rails of fir to get them through the winter. In spring they went on down the valley looking for homesteads. Uncle Sib Barclay saw the smoke of their campfire and helped them find homesteads.******The three Rickard brothers and George Shultz took up contiguos land claims between the emigrant road (now Highway 99 west) and the Williamette River, north of the present town of Monroe. -- Linda Rogers, more to come ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lordee Miss Belle, I can just see them screaming and such.It's funny now but it would have been scary for sure then. I am enjoying your stories immensly! Linda,thank you for sharing ------Original Message------ From: Belle Shepherd Sender: [email protected] To: [email protected] To: [email protected] To: [email protected] ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The end??? Sent: Feb 3, 2010 6:15 PM One summer night during one of my mothers "Moonlight picnics" on the front lawn , there was a loud 'KABOOM', the ground shook, some guests started screaming! We could hear more screaming coming from the small African-American Church that was a short distance away. The gas storage tank at the small depot with one track running through town, had somehow caught on fire and exploded. Pieces of hot metal were flying around . One of the large bands landed in our yard just missing some of the terrified picnicers. The depot was less than a half mile down the paved road that ran in front of our house. The Congegation from the Church kept screaming that it was 'the end of the world.' My Dad left the huge iron ring on the ground, later planted a tree in the middle of it. I went back many years later and there was a large tree growing in the middle of the round band, no one had moved it. A cousin then lived there but wasn't home so I wasn't able to see the rest of the house. All signs of the slave cabins were gone, no barn or smokehouse either. A double garage had been added to one side of the house. The small Churchwas gone, no depot or railroad track, The new one was not close to the little town. Belle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Interesting story. My generation doesn't don't know what hardship is, can't imagine being hungry enough to eat your own flesh. I thing of how we say we are starving when a meal is a little late. Kay In a message dated 02/02/10 18:41:52 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: We were in the mountains with no food.They were weak,exhausted and almost dead. Two scouts went out looking for someone to help them and they were found by a herdsman . News spread quickly in the valley, and a massive rescue effort was underway immediately . People back in the mountains were also at the point of starvation. Catherine (Kime) Rickard told her grandaughter that she could have eaten her own flesh if she had known how to do it. The scouts who had started over the mountains heading for the three sisters were still not heard from, so a search was made, and their plight was even more pitiful. This area was so rugged that the Indians had always crossed the cascades by other routes. The young men came across the lava flows to the headwaters of the Mckenzie. They werenear death from exhaustion and starvation, having eaten their horses when they gave out. The stronger ones had gone ahead until they could not continue. When someone eventually found them, one man had to be cared for for three days before he was able to travel. Even with all of the help by the rescuers, the way down the Middle Fork of the Willamette River was rough and dangerous. In two days of travel, the river had to be crossed twenty times.Water was high, swift, and cold.One woman lost her life when her wagon was overturned. The arrived in the vicinity of Eugene in 1853, and passed through the town without knowing it. At this time Eugene consisted of one store and a blacksmith shop. Bran was substituted for flour. At this time apples could be secured for any price, a nd a flour sack of potatoes were .25.**** The Rickards wintered north of Skinner"s Butte spring and made (fence) rails of fir to get them through the winter. In spring they went on down the valley looking for homesteads. Uncle Sib Barclay saw the smoke of their campfire and helped them find homesteads.******The three Rickard brothers and George Shultz took up contiguos land claims between the emigrant road (now Highway 99 west) and the Williamette River, north of the present town of Monroe. -- Linda Rogers, more to come ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Clyde ,I don't want to curb your excitement but I think it's about over.I'm the result of the relationship between Elizabeth and George. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "MaryClyde" <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:20:25 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train........continues Linda, I can hardly wait for the next installment! I love these kinds of stories. MaryClyde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Rogers" <[email protected]> To: "southern chat" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:41 PM Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train........continues > We were in the mountains with no food.They were weak,exhausted and almost > dead. Two scouts went out looking for someone to help them and they were > found by a herdsman . > News spread quickly in the valley, and a massive rescue effort was > underway immediately . People back in the mountains were also at the point > of starvation. Catherine (Kime) Rickard told her grandaughter that she > could > have eaten her own flesh if she had known how to do it. > The scouts who had started over the mountains heading for the three > sisters were still not heard from, so a search was made, and their plight > was even more pitiful. This area was so rugged that the Indians had always > crossed the cascades by other routes. The young men came across the lava > flows to the headwaters of the Mckenzie. They werenear death from > exhaustion > and starvation, having eaten their horses when they gave out. The stronger > ones had gone ahead until they could not continue. When someone eventually > found them, one man had to be cared for for three days before he was able > to > travel. > Even with all of the help by the rescuers, the way down the Middle > Fork > of the Willamette River was rough and dangerous. In two days of travel, > the > river had to be crossed twenty times.Water was high, swift, and cold.One > woman lost her life when her wagon was overturned. > The arrived in the vicinity of Eugene in 1853, and passed through the > town without knowing it. At this time Eugene consisted of one store and a > blacksmith shop. Bran was substituted for flour. At this time apples could > be secured for any price, a nd a flour sack of potatoes were .25.**** The > Rickards wintered north of Skinner"s Butte spring and made (fence) rails > of > fir to get them through the winter. In spring they went on down the valley > looking for homesteads. Uncle Sib Barclay saw the smoke of their campfire > and helped them find homesteads.******The three Rickard brothers and > George > Shultz took up contiguos land claims between the emigrant road (now > Highway > 99 west) and the Williamette River, north of the present town of Monroe. > -- > Linda Rogers, more to come > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ever heard of the saying "I'm a day late and a penny short"? That's me... MaryClyde ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train........continues > Mary Clyde ,I don't want to curb your excitement but I think it's about > over.I'm the result of the relationship between Elizabeth and George. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "MaryClyde" <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:20:25 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train........continues > > Linda, I can hardly wait for the next installment! I love these kinds of > stories. > MaryClyde > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Rogers" <[email protected]> > To: "southern chat" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:41 PM > Subject: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] The Lost Wagon Train........continues > > >> We were in the mountains with no food.They were weak,exhausted and >> almost >> dead. Two scouts went out looking for someone to help them and they were >> found by a herdsman . >> News spread quickly in the valley, and a massive rescue effort was >> underway immediately . People back in the mountains were also at the >> point >> of starvation. Catherine (Kime) Rickard told her grandaughter that she >> could >> have eaten her own flesh if she had known how to do it. >> The scouts who had started over the mountains heading for the three >> sisters were still not heard from, so a search was made, and their plight >> was even more pitiful. This area was so rugged that the Indians had >> always >> crossed the cascades by other routes. The young men came across the lava >> flows to the headwaters of the Mckenzie. They werenear death from >> exhaustion >> and starvation, having eaten their horses when they gave out. The >> stronger >> ones had gone ahead until they could not continue. When someone >> eventually >> found them, one man had to be cared for for three days before he was able >> to >> travel. >> Even with all of the help by the rescuers, the way down the Middle >> Fork >> of the Willamette River was rough and dangerous. In two days of travel, >> the >> river had to be crossed twenty times.Water was high, swift, and cold.One >> woman lost her life when her wagon was overturned. >> The arrived in the vicinity of Eugene in 1853, and passed through the >> town without knowing it. At this time Eugene consisted of one store and a >> blacksmith shop. Bran was substituted for flour. At this time apples >> could >> be secured for any price, a nd a flour sack of potatoes were .25.**** The >> Rickards wintered north of Skinner"s Butte spring and made (fence) rails >> of >> fir to get them through the winter. In spring they went on down the >> valley >> looking for homesteads. Uncle Sib Barclay saw the smoke of their campfire >> and helped them find homesteads.******The three Rickard brothers and >> George >> Shultz took up contiguos land claims between the emigrant road (now >> Highway >> 99 west) and the Williamette River, north of the present town of Monroe. >> -- >> Linda Rogers, more to come >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One summer night during one of my mothers "Moonlight picnics" on the front lawn , there was a loud 'KABOOM', the ground shook, some guests started screaming! We could hear more screaming coming from the small African-American Church that was a short distance away. The gas storage tank at the small depot with one track running through town, had somehow caught on fire and exploded. Pieces of hot metal were flying around . One of the large bands landed in our yard just missing some of the terrified picnicers. The depot was less than a half mile down the paved road that ran in front of our house. The Congegation from the Church kept screaming that it was 'the end of the world.' My Dad left the huge iron ring on the ground, later planted a tree in the middle of it. I went back many years later and there was a large tree growing in the middle of the round band, no one had moved it. A cousin then lived there but wasn't home so I wasn't able to see the rest of the house. All signs of the slave cabins were gone, no barn or smokehouse either. A double garage had been added to one side of the house. The small Churchwas gone, no depot or railroad track, The new one was not close to the little town. Belle

Hello MaryC...... where ya been hidin' ? Hope everyone has unthawed! Just a spatter of snow here but it's still dreary and ugly. xoxoxo *paula* p.s. has anyone heard from Stella??? Recall reading a while back that she was ill..... ----- "MaryClyde" <[email protected]> wrote: | Linda, I can hardly wait for the next installment! I love these kinds of | stories. | MaryClyde |