SOME IDEAS FOR FUTURE RESEARCH ON WILLIAM & JOSEPH TURNER: If JUDITH TURNER was 91 in 1850, this pushes her birth back to about 1759. Assuming she was NICHOLAS' first and only spouse, and if NICHOLAS was near her age, their first child might have been born as early as 1779, or earlier. However, JUDITH'S age in 1810 doesn't seem to match her age (91) as reported from 1850 Appomattox County. NICHOLAS TURNER, in 1810 BKM VA Census: Males: 4 (0-10) 1 (10-16) 1 (26-45) Females: 2 (0-10) 1 (10-16) 1 (26-45) In 1820 BKM VA Census: Males: 1 (10-16) 1 (45-) Females: 1 (10-16) 3 (16-26) 1 (45-) In 1830 BKM VA Census (EST of NICHOLAS TURNER): Males: 2 (20-30) Females: 2 (20-30) 1 (45-) ------------------- Known children of NICHOLAS TURNER: WILLIAM (m. FRANCES ____) b. ca 1788 VA--w.p. 1864 KY NANCY (m. WILLIAM PHELPS) b. ca 1807 VA--d. unknown VA) Possible children of NICHOLAS TURNER: JOSEPH TURNER (m. LYDIA ____) b. ca 1790* VA--d. unknown (1850: age 60] LUCINDA _____ (m. THOMAS HOOD) b. ca 1784 VA--d. unknown [1850: age 66] SOPHIA TURNER (m. JESSE HOOD) b. ca 1790* VA--d. unknown [1850: age 60] SARAH _____ (m. CHARLES HOOD) b. ca 1798 VA--d. unknown [1850: age 52] --------------------- James Rogers, a descendant of NANCY TURNER PHELPS--NICHOLAS' daughter, lives in Appomattox County, VA, and attends the same Red Oak Baptist Church that NICHOLAS and JUDITH attended. He says he hasn't yet done much on his TURNER line, but is interested. He can be reached at: RidgemontVa@aol.com James believes that NICHOLAS might have been the son of ANDREW TURNER, an early landholder (deceased by 1800) in old Buckingham, in the vicinity of Wreck Island Creek. Here's a recent email from James: >>>>> "The Turners, Hoods, Phelps, Rogers and Hamners lived on Wreck Island Creek and attended Red Oak Baptist Church. That is my home church and I have the old records but they only list Nicholas and Judith with no dates. Nicholas' wife was Judith who I believe but have no proof to date was a Phelps. I think the Turners, Hoods and Hamners intermarried and I know one Hamner who was named Wyatt and he was an early clerk of Red Oak Church. I dont know who Nicholas' father was for sure but I believe him to be Andrew Turner. Andrew is found in the 1787 tax list for Buckingham Co. VA. Andrew is listed in the 1782 tax list and a John Turner is listed in Buckingham in that year also so he could be a potential father to Nicholas but I doubt it as he was from another area of the county. In 1780 Andrew patented 424 acres on the south branches of Wreck Island Creek. This is near where I live and it was on the Albemarle/Bedford (later Buckingham/Campbell co.) border where one of my Phelps ancestors lived. It is now present Appomattox Co. This is the same area where Nicholas lived. >From Campbell Co. Va. deedbook. 1784-179 deedbook.... p.189 Jan. 1 1787 Andrew Turner of Buckingham to John Hunter of Campbell 320a on Wreck Island Creek bounded by James Phelps. Andrew made his mark p. 191 Jan. 1 1787 Andrew to Charles Hall 100a in Campbell on head branches of Wreck Island Creek." >>>>> -------------------- NICHOLAS TURNER of PRINCESS ANNE COUNTY: NICHOLAS TURNER appears not to have been a very common name in 18/19th c. VA--nothing in the census or tax lists that I've seen before 1810. In 1810, there are only two, and the second listing appears in Princess Anne County, as "NICHOLAS TURNER, F B." No household is listed--all blanks, except for 3 people in the end column for "other free persons in that family." The only other Turner found in 1810 Princess Anne County is a "SAMPSON TURNER, F B" with a similar listing. Both of these entries appear to be for free born black families, perhaps former slaves. Whether this Nicholas Turner bears any relation to our NICHOLAS in Buckingham isn't known. ----------------- Possible NICHOLAS HAMNER connection: [Taken from the Internet: http://members.fortunecity.com/phamner/41.htm] http://www.angelfire.com/biz6/dciris/hamner.html http://members.fortunecity.com/phamner/2612.htm] NICHOLAS HAMNER SR. Birth: Abt 1640, New Poquoson Parish, York County, Virginia Married (1): Bef 1675 Death: November 1703, York County or Bruton Parish, James City County, Virginia JOAN TURNER She is thought to be Joan Hamner who came to the colonies in 1635. Though no record is known to exist to substantiate her name, some credence can be given to support this theory, by the fact that at least 3 later generations of Hamner men were named "Turner." Even before the union with the James Turner family. NICHOLAS HAMNER, JR. He and three of his sons-Robert, Henry, and William moved to Albemarle County and established their homes on the Hardware River. Note: First record of a family member moving west to Albemarle. Signed Oath of Allegiance of Albemarle County. "Virginia Public Claims-Albemarle County", pg 55. -END- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com