I posted a tip on last week's KYREARCH list which was sent to me by a lister. Last night I had time to check it out. When checking the census indexes on line thru ancestry.com or whatever you use, put your surname in the first name box instead of the surname box. Why? Sometimes when these censuses [cenci?] are indexed, if the name is written first name last accidentally on the original forms, they are often indexed such. You can also put the last name in the middle name search box. When I tried this last night, I found about 20 missing Gorin's who had been indexed backwards and about 10 individuals with the middle name of Gorin who were the children of a Gorin mother. In checking them out I found some marriages I didn't have on my files and picked up a few children too boot. Sandi SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/