In regard to the Turner questions submitted, the Shadrach Turner who married Rebecca Page was the son of Jeremiah Turner and Rachel Ross who settled on Mud Camp Creek in Cumberland Co., KY. Jeremiah was the son of the older Shadrach Turner who died in Henry Co., VA, ca. 1784. The exact location of old Shadrach's holdings has been determined and may be found on various site on Internet. That line of Turners lived on Town Creek just at the edge of Henry Co. In regard to the Shadrach Turner-Rebecca Page marriage, it was the groom's second marriage. His first wife was Ann Eliza Hayes. That marriage produced at least 8 children. I have two John H. Turners in my database, one being John H. Turner who was born ca. 1840, son of Wyatt N. Turner and Louisa Clarkston. Wyatt was the son of the William Turner who was born ca. 1788 and whose wife was Frances. The other John H. Turner was born ca. 1844 and was the son of Jesse Jefferson Turner and Mary Lane. Joseph Jefferson was the son of William and Frances Turner also. I don't have a spouse listed for either one in my database so can't help there. Some researchers claim that William (b. 1788) was of the Shadrach Turner line but I've never been able to prove any connection. On the contrary, I've found more clues to dispute the claim. I hope this will help Dean and Kathy a little with their questions. And Sandi, I sympathize with you completely. For the listers who don't know this, I consider Sandi to be a very valuable friend and we often help each other. We understand the problems of researching for others because we have both done that for years. Also for listers who do not know, I have researched and compiled a genealogy column for Cumberland Co. News for 20 years as of the first of July, 2012. The columns are mostly about Cumberland Co. pioneer families. My gripe is people who contact me, demanding that I give them information on their family line because 'they know I have it'. Dear listers, the reason I have it is because I have worked long hours and have written columns which appeared in the newspaper. Each of these columns has been included in one of the five volumes of "Roots and Branches, The Column" which I have indexed and made available to the public for very nominal fees. I didn't really do the books for a money-making venture but as a convenience to my readers. Sandi does the same. She works long back-breaking, eye-burning hours in order to to make information available to the public that they would have to spend long hours and much money to obtain if they were doing the work themselves or hiring a researcher. So don't fuss because Sandi and I sell our books to help meet expenses and because we need to supplement our income a little. It's like biting off the hand that feeds you. And that's the end of my soapbox speech. I feel better, having shared my feelings, and I hope Sandi does, too. To her I say, keep up the good work. There are many people who appreciate you and your hard work! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 121 Today's Topics: 1. ALLEN CO KY - ASSORTED DEATHS (Sandra K. Gorin) 2. Re: Shadrack Turner post (Kathy Locke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:22:02 -0500 From: "Sandra K. Gorin" <[email protected]> Subject: [SCKY] ALLEN CO KY - ASSORTED DEATHS To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed FITZPATRICK: No first, 3 yrs old, died 30 Apr 1852, d/o R. N. & W, unknown causes. A L M, 79 years old, widow, farmer, died 10 May 1904, s/o W M & M, died of old age. Mary F, 13 years old, born Casey Co KY, died Barren River on 6 Sept 1852, d/o R N & M, fever. Vidella, age 3 months, died 30 Aug 1852, d/o J N & F J of croup. W S, age 3 years, died 26 Oct 1858, s/o J N & F J of scarletina. HINTON: No first, age 2 months, died 7 Apr 1855, s/o Uriah & Mary, croup. No first, age 4 days, died 7 Aug 1852, d/o John, premature birth. Emily P, age 2 years, died 2 Nov 1858, d/o M & M, scarletina. G L, age 49 years, married, died 8 Nov 1904, s/o J N & Martha (TUCKER), born TN, unknown cause. Girtha C, age 6 years, died 27 Aug 1904, d/o J B & L C, spinal affliction. Jane, age 41, married, died 3 May 1874, d/o Fletcher & Mary GATEWOOD, unknown cause. John H, age 5 months, died 9 Nov 1858, s/o A & Julia, croup. Livoner Katherine, age3 4 years, died July 1859, d/o A & Julia, croup. Phebe A, age 7 years, died 9 Sept 1857, d/o Jerry & V, dysentary. S A, age 68 years, widow, died 2 Apr 1904, d/o J & Jane NAPIER, consumption. William B, age 3 weeks, died 24 Aug 1858, s/o W W & M M, croup. to be continued - Sandi To post to lists: [email protected] or [email protected] Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's Website: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Locke <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCKY] Shadrack Turner post To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dean and other Turner researchers, Do you know if these Turners are from the Patrick County and Halifax County Virginia line?? If so I can fill in the blanks from my husband's Turner line that moved from Virginia to Lincoln County Georgia area about 1780 timeline.. Kat in Texas ? ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:00 AM Subject: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 120 Today's Topics: ? 1. MONROE CO MARRIAGES - 1864 (Sandra K. Gorin) ? 2. John H. & Shadrack Turner (dean hunt) ? 3. Re: MONROE CO MARRIAGES - 1864 (Randy Jobe) ? 4. SUBJECT OF THE DAY - RESEARCHING (Sandra K. Gorin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:12:52 -0500 From: "Sandra K. Gorin" <[email protected]> Subject: [SCKY] MONROE CO MARRIAGES - 1864 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Likely not a complete list, from the files of the late Eva Coe Peden. If you have any corrections, please post to list! BIGGERSTAFF, Hiram to Dermello _____ 1 May. BUSH, W T to Mahola? BACON, 7 Mar CARVER, B C to Hester A JOHNSON, 19 Mar. CISCO, W H to Serreno G___ 2 June. CRAWFORD, Joseph to Sarah DAVIS, 19 Aug. CRISP, John S? to Malinda GOODMAN 24 Nov. FORD, B C to Catherine FORD 11 Aug. GENTRY, Wm T to Sarah T MARRS 24 Mar. GIST, B N to C E SWEENEY 22 Feb. GULLEY, J to Mary JORDAN 11 Mar. HEADY, John to Sally LOFTIS 14 Aug. HEDLER, H D to Mary J STEPHENSON 15 May. JOHNSON, Samuel to Helen B PRITTY? 14 Aug. LONG, Wm M to Nancy McCLEARY 15 July. LOFTIS, James to Manvea (Manerva?) LOFTIS, 14 Aug. MANSELL, Richard to Mary HEADY 14 Aug. MEADY, John to Eva WILLIAMS, 15 June. MYERS, Felix to Nancy G BURKS 19 Jan. OMOHENDRA???, G C to Mella Phillips 7 July PERCELL, Andrew to Dolcema EMMERT 1 Aug. POLK, Benj C to Narcissus EMMERT 31 May RUSSEL, Daniel to Mary E BASE 21 Jan. TURNER, John H to Sarah A TRIVETT 26 May. TURNER, Shadrick to Rebecca PAGE 24 Feb UNREADABLE, Joseph N to Jane WILEY, 12 May. UNREADABLE, James F to Martha G F GERALDS, 11 Feb. WALDEN, S T to Cathrine H BIGGERS 7 Jan. To be continued next week. Sandi To post to lists: [email protected] or [email protected] Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's Website: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:46:33 -0400 From: "dean hunt" <[email protected]> Subject: [SCKY] John H. & Shadrack Turner To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" Looking for more information regarding: TURNER, John H to Sarah A TRIVETT 26 May. TURNER, Shadrack to Rebecca PAGE 24 Feb Who were listed in Sandi's post of Monroe County marriages, 1864 M. Dean Hunt Louisville, KY ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:04:04 -0400 From: Randy Jobe <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCKY] MONROE CO MARRIAGES - 1864 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed FORD, B C to Catherine FORD 11 Aug. ? ? This is Benjamin C. Ford married Minnie Catherine Jackson d/o Natha Tolbert Jackson and Sarah Jane Crow GIST, B N to C E SWEENEY 22 Feb. ? ? This is Benjamin M. Gist married Charlotte E. Sweeny PERCELL, Andrew to Dolcema EMMERT 1 Aug. ? ? This is Andrew Purcell married Dulcinea Emmert...I have an alternate date of Oct. 1 also UNREADABLE, James F to Martha G F GERALDS, 11 Feb. ? ? This is James Akin Geralds married Martha G. Geralds...yes, they were 1st cousins. Randy Jobe ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:24:57 -0500 From: "Sandra K. Gorin" <[email protected]> Subject: [SCKY] SUBJECT OF THE DAY - RESEARCHING To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As most of you know, I am a retired teacher. And teachers present lessons. Today, I'm going to share a personal account as it might be a learning experience for all of you who need to hire researchers or have done research for others. I was really bottomed out today and almost gave up doing research for others after 24 years locally. I am still saddened but decided it only makes me feel badly and accomplishes nothing else. And, maybe a lesson can be learned. I am not seeking sympathy. The names have been changed in this e-mail to protect the source. I was hired, reluctantly, to do a 4-hour research job on a male I'll call John Smith. I tried several times to discourage the individual as the only thing he/she had was that John had been found on the 1810 and 1820 Barren Co census. But, the individual was determined and I finally conceded to try with NO guarantee for that early time period. I repeated several times that I could not guarantee I could find anything. Yesterday, I spent all day working on this individual, throwing in an extra hour at no charge -? and after the preponderance of evidence was sorted through, I knew that her John Smith was not the John Smith of Barren Co. I had been instructed to work with the 1810-1820 census, not to worry about land records and see if I could gather all possible information on John, where he came from (supposedly one of the Carolinas); his wife's name, parents' names, etc. So I did what any researcher would do: 1 - checked tax records to see when he started paying taxes and when he stopped, giving a better idea of his length of time here. 2 - checked the deeds anyway to see if there was a reference backward to the Carolinas for a land sale, settlement of estates, etc. 3 - checked church records to determine if he had joined a church here which would normally verify his wife's first name at least and perhaps adult children (he was born in the 1780s). 4 - checked marriages to see if any of his children married here and possibly showed a permission slip from he or his wife. 5 - checked Circuit Court records that are available to see if he had been involved in any case here. 6 - checked miscellaneous books- surveys, tavern bonds, wills for the death possibly of family members, guardianship bonds, indentures, strays book, etc. to pick up any paper trail. 7 - Went to the Cultural Center to check for family files or books done on the individual's family. Etc. etc. Today I received a scathing e-mail from the individual with language I could not repeat on the list. Basically the individual accused me of taking her money and running; it seems he/she wanted me to gather ALL the information from the 1810-1820 census only and that I had wasted her money in searching all these other records! The only thing I can think of is that the individual thought that the 1810-1820 census would list wife, children, where they came from and everything desired. I wrote the individual again and explained why a researcher has to check other records and that the census records of that date show only the head of household and "tick" marks for various age categories of the possible children. No reply of course. Under threats of being blackmailed basically and the individual's attempt to destroy my reputation, I go on. Lesson: If you hire a researcher, there is never a guarantee that he/she can find anything, especially in the earliest times when they left the county. The researcher must also check all the available records for that time period in the hopes of finding some document, some family connection, some record. When the person is not here, there is nothing to be found. The name being searched was fairly common and although one of the man's sons said his father was born "in Kentucky", a search brought up about 50 other men with the same name scattered all over the state. But the individual had found John's name on the census and stopped looking. The individual will not accept that the man with that name here is not the correct one even though the dates of birth are off 40 years on the one the individual wants and the one here; none of the children show up ..... the mind is made up. So, we all need to remind ourselves that sometimes research jobs yield limited or no results. There is no full-proof guarantee. We work hard, we don't cheat people, and we earn our fee. And that we must be willing to look elsewhere and accept that maybe the biography was wrong or the name all too familiar. I'm off my soap box now. Again, no sympathy needed on this but it is the first time anyone has spoken so fiercely and refused to acknowledge they were wrong! Maybe some day the individual will look at the report again and say "gee, the guy in Barren Co can't be my ancestor!" Sandi ------------------------------ To contact the SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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