In 1902 H. G. Geralds m. Belle Head in Monroe Co. per Marcella Headrick's marriage records of Monroe Co. It was performed at Will Black Spear's house by Rev J. K. Geralds. My question is, "Was Belle Head the d/o Stanford and Sarah (Walker) Head and (2) who was H. G. Geralds? I'd appreciate any input on these people. Many thanks! Lea Head

Lyn, There are a couple possibilities. Both are near Burkesville Ky, in Cumberland county. The first is more recent. There is today a small community about 10 miles NW of Burkesville on Highway 90. This little town is located on Marrowbone creek, probably where it gets it's name. I believe they have a small cemetery there, but no sure what it is named. The second is historic. About a mile, no more than 2, south of Burkesville on Highway 61 is the historic Marrowbone community. It lies along the banks of the Cumberland River. There is a Presbyterian Church and the Marrowbone Cemetery there. My guess is you are looking for the historic Marrowbone. Norman Chambers Holland, MI. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 1/13/2006

Can anyone tell me where Marrowbone Cemetery is? Lyn/Ind

I forgot to tell you that the puzzler is up (and has been since Monday) ... a few of you have found it and so far, all guesses were correct! If you haven't tried you hand at the genealogy puzzler, click on the URL in my signature line called gen-soup. On a personal note, thanks for your concern re my dau. As of yesterday she found another car, and will be coming home tomorrow and going to my doctor on Saturday. She is still in pain, especially in her back, has a black eye and moving in a slower gear. I just want her checked out locally to be sure the ER didn't miss something last Saturday. The healing of the glass cuts will take awhile! There will be no posts tomorrow so I will see you Monday hopefully. Have a great weekend and a productive one! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

New York Times, 1 July 1883: "Convicted of Murder Although The Body Was Not Found. "From the Bowsling Green (Ky.) Southern Progress, June 27. "At the recent term of the Edmonson Circuit Court Marion JOHNSON was convicted of murdering his little 4-year-old child, and a verdict of life service in the penitentiary returned by the jury. The published account a year since did not vary materially from the facts proved on the trial, which, in substance, were that he had started to Shakertown with his two children, aged 2 and 4 years, respectively, for the purpose of giving them, as he said, to the Shakers. When seen about two miles on the road he had but one child, the younger one. The older one has never been seen or heard of since, although close search has repeatedly been made for the body of the missing child. Johnson said he had carried both children, to Shakertown, but it was proved by the Shakers that he brought but one. The youngest child being too young to testify, there was no evidence of the killing, the conviction being upon circumstantial evidence alone. The case excited considerable interest in the neighborhood and at the trial. The belief of his guilt is pretty general. The case will be taken to the Court of Appeals." Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

New York Times, 30 Dec 1891 "Bowling Green, Ky., De. 29. News reached here this morning of a shooting affray at Riverside, a litle town in this county, which will probably result fatally for one of the participants. The particulars are meagre, but it is said that there was a dance given last night at the house of "Bob" HAYES, and a dificulty occurred in the road in front of the house, in which several were engaged. During the melee "Bob" NORRIS was shot over the left eye, and he is now in a dying condition. It is claimed by all except Norris that they do not know who fired the shot, but he says that 'Jim" RONE did it. It has caused much excitement in the neighborhood, as there has been bad blood for some time between Bone and Norris. They are both young farmers of the Riverside country." Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Suit of JACKSON vs STRINGFIELD, Valentine DICKERSON is allowed for one day's attendance. John TAYLOR and John COX came into Court, made oath that a hat taken through mistake in Bardstown by Jim, belonging to Huston Fry BAKER is in the possession now of Taylor and he is willing that the owner may have it when applied for; Capt Gladin GORIN had been accused of taking it. John BEARDIN is exempt from serving as Constable. Daniel CURD made motion and leave is granted him to administer on the estate of William CURD decd - he had taken the oath and had security with John CURD. enjamin BRADSHAW, Nathaniel DRAKE, John LEWIS and Abraham FULKERSON to value the estate William CHAPLINE allowed 16 lbs for his service under the revenue law. John WELLS appt Constable for the county. John WELLS appt Constable, took oaths; David HUDSPETH his security. On the recommendation of Vincent ANDERSON Sheriff, Jos LEWIS sworn in as his Deputy. Adjourned; recorded by Mich. HART. 2 Dec 1799. Present: Gladin GORIN, Robert WALLACE and Ragland LANGSTON, gentlemen. Ordered that William RUSSELL Sr, Harmon GREATHOUSE, John ANDERSON, WIlliam CLAYTON Sr, James CAMPBELL Sr and Samuel HAYS Sr are all exempt from paying their county levy for 1799. John MARSHALL and Mich. HART joined the justices. County levy set and payments made to the following: to Saml KIRKUM for killing a wolf; to John BAILEY, Elkin TAYLOR, same; to William CHAPLINE for his services; to John GARNETT for acting as Judge; To Michael (no last name, likely Hart) for judging at the last election; to Daniel CURD for service as clerk at same; to Henry GORIN for serving 3 days as Sheriff; to E W COVINGTON, former Sheriff for 4 month's service; to Robt MOORE for his term as jailer; to William CHAPLINE to purchase books for the county court. Sheriff to collect 1/4 from each titheable. Robert T MOORE allowed money for keeing James McGILLIN in jail 5 days, charged with vagrancy. Adjourned, signed by Robert WALLACE. Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

New York Daily Times, 21 Aug 1854. >From the St. Louis Post Dispatch Aug 12, 1854 "For some time past there has been a boy in our city who is gifted with almost incredible power of calculation in numbers. We do not know how or where he is lodged or fed, yet we see him almost daily walking the streets, and at short intervals we discover his posters at the principal public places, telling, in his own way, of his wonderful powers, and asking the assistance of the charitable. His cards are usually done up in alternate lines of red and blue ink, all the letters being in capitals. "During the days of the late mobs two of his cards at the corner of Fourth and Chestnut streets, seemed to atract a good deal of attention, which, perhaps, was more the the result of the excited state of the public mind, and its consequent appetite for novelty, than the strangeness of the boy's placards. At any rate, we give place in his advertisements just as we copied them from his posters: "I have a great gift in knowing all sums mentally by my head. If any man will tell me what year and month he was born in, it is like a voice strikes my head to tell him what day in that he was born in. That is the only way that I can make myself acquainted with the persons. Now the place for to meet me at, is at the Court-House from 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock A.M., and from 2 o'clock to 4 o'clock P.M. 25 cents. MEREDITH HOLLAND. "Another of his cards reads as follows: "Now take notice, that I will give a true answer in any sum mentally by my head. I wish for the public to patronize me. I have had forty days' schooling. I cannot write a running hand. I was born with this natural gift of knowing what the amount of any sum was mentally by my head. I was born in Monroe County, Ky. I am not 19 years old, quite. I do not improve any at all in this gift. For I could tell as much in numbers when I was three years of age as I can now. I cannot explain it nother. Have hundreds of men tested it, indeed. I never saw any man that was a Christian that they would always give something to help me along. Now here is another subject on wickedness. No man can spell his first name without the five letters, A, L, N. R. S. But there are seven names that can be spelled without these five letters. All wicked hard-hearted men have to make use of more or less of those five letters. It is of hardness of heart causes all this to be. This will satisfy all who hears answers in knowing the results of sums mentally in my head. Twenty five cents is nothing to let me have, for I have an extroaordinary gift." "The boy, MEREDITH HOLLAND, has rather a simple look - is most slovenly in appearance, and when engaged in any of his mental calculations, "mentally, in his head," he stops up both his ears with his thumbs, looks to the ground a moment, and then announces the result. He is rather a singlar specimen." Interesting ... does anyone know who Meredith Holland was? Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Mr & Mrs Ed CARY returned home last week, had wintered in FL. Mrs Mary A JONES died at her home in Fountain Run one day last week. Citizens who live along the road leading from T'ville via Harlan's Cross Roads to the TN line are making an effort to get an appropriation of five hundred dollars by the Fiscal Court which will be suupplemented by an equal or greater amount donated by the citizens along the road for improvement of the road. Dr. A J DIXON, 84, of Allen Co attempted to take the life of his 8 year old daughter Sat night by giving her poison. He said that she did not have long to live and didn't want her to live longer than she did. Miss Eva DICKERSON who has been in FL for the past few months returned Friday to her home at Bushong. The W. E. WALDEN barber shop will be moved from the hospital building into the bulding occupied by D. O. HAGAN's cleaning and pressing business.. N R MAXEY has bought the Bob UPTON jack at Willow Grove TN. Mr. Benton BASTER has returned home after a winter in TX. Creed CARTER (photo) of T'ville wins scoring honors in tournament. He a star athlete at Linsey Wilson Junior College in Columbia KY, scores received in a junior college tournament at London KY. He made 37 points. Articles found from the 13 Dec 1900 newspaper were submitted by: Ms. Florence PAGE. from the Monroe County Society News where Ella SMITH was editor. The articles included: Mr. Bascal EVANS visited Glasgow. Prof. M L MOORE of Gamaliel was in town. Miss Cornelia MITCHELL of Sullphur Lick was in town. Miss Susan HESTAND of Hestand was in town shopping. Elmore YOKLEY is thinking about going to Galveston TX. Miss Lonnie MARTIN of Sulphur Lick was in town shopping. Misses Lera COPASS and Mollie HOLLOWAY visited in Clyclone. Misses Ruby and Hattie COOMER of Gamaliel were in town. Sam GILL visited his parents in Summer Shade. Miss Maud SHIRLEY of Turkey Neck end in town visisting. Miss Lou REEVED from Arcot TN was in town. Sam Gill and his little boy Paul were visiting relatives in Summer Shade. Misses Burnette ROSS and Rina KIDWELL of Meshack were in town. Ads for this edition: L&N Railroad (cost $1.20 to go from Glasgow to Elizabethtown; $2.05 to Louisville; 70 cents to Bowling Green, $2.15 to Nashville, $7.55 to St Louis.)Ford V-8 giving you a choice of 85 horsepower or 60 horsepower, includes bumpers, spare tire, cigar lighter, twin horns, 22-27 miles per gallon. Sold by WHITE-HILL Motor Co (S L HILL manager and buford PAGE, salesman). The Uptown Theater was showing "Life Begins in College", Behind the Mike" and "Life Begins With Love." Also an article on bicycle safety: 1- Observe all stop signs; 2 - Ride in a straight line and do not weave in and out of traffic; 3 - Carry front and rear lights for night riding; 4 - Use horn or bell to give warning of your approach; 5 - Give pedestrians the right of way; 6 - Look out for cars at crossings and when fidrst mounting; 7 - Do not ride on sidewalks; 8 - Do not carry another person on your bicycle; 9 - Do not hold on or hitch on a moving vehicle; 10 - always ride carefully. Another paper next week. Sandi Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

That does it for today but there is a new puzzler if Charlie has had time to put it on the board. I have been out of pocket a lot this weekend; my oldest dau was in a severe auto accident in which her car rolled and she was in the emergency room. I think she is ok tho in a lot of pain and minus 300 pieces of glass taken out of her face, neck, head and arms and minus a little hair on her head which was sheared by the flying glass. If I disappear on you this week, don't worry - I might be making some trips back and forth to where she lives. The good Lord spared her from a much serious injury for which I am very thankful. One of our listers, Elaine B is undergoing major surgery tomorrow morning and we will be anxious to hear how she is. Keep checking the gensoup site for the puzzler, click on the URL in my signature line called gensoup and it'll take you right to the puzzler. See you all tomorrow - Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Note: No name was shown! The Washington Post, 8 Oct 1908. "There died last week in Barren county, Ky., a most highly respected and venerated old woman in her ninety-eighth year, and in that community she was the last connecting link between the wagoner of the first half century and the "trainman" of threescore years and ten later. Her husband, more than twoscore years dead, with his six-horse team and immense, cumbrous, strong, tough, and servicable Conestoga wagon, made regular trips between the port on the Ohio at Louisville and the port on Big Barren at Bowling Green, carring tobacco and "country produce" from the south to exchange for the merchandise dealt in b the county storekeeper of his bailiwick. "What a hardy set they were! How strong of limb, how tough of fiber, how simple of mind, how kind of heart, how careless of the morrow! They worked hard, they drank hard, they fought hard. They loved and would have justice, and after a hard day's drive and the teams had been bounteously fed and well groomed, they laid themselves on mother earth under the canopy of heaven and slept the sleep of the man for whom conscience has no terrors. "Many of them were devout Christians that would allow nothing wicked or unseemly in their camp - men who would not "drive" on Sunday, but kept the day, holy, reading the Bible, or, if in reach, going to church. It is worthy of note that in that day the turnpike was the current octupus, and the toll each wagon had to pay was the source of the "predatory wealth" of the plutocrat. Hundreds of wagoners would have torn up, pikes and burned bridges if their passions had been given loose, and very some of them actually perpetrated those very things; but a day came when the pike gave way to the railroad and the wagon to the bus car, and these folk went to other work. "Some very delightful romance has come down to use of the caravan when the Damascus and Bagdad, were metropolises of the East. Pity it is that we have produced no genius who has perserved, to make vivid to posterity, the old wagoner of the fidrst half of the last century. "And it is not hazardous to predict that the sailor who nvigates the air will make the "trainmen" of the railroad as rare to our chldren's children as the old-fashioned wagoner is to their grandparents." When I get time, I'm going to look at the 1900 Barren Co census to see if I can find who this lady was! If anyone wants to check first - go for it! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

I was asked where to find the reference for the name Edmund on Ancestry and I thought it might help to share it with everyone. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/Fact.aspx?&fid=10&fn=Edmund&ln= (you may need to copy and paste the entire line because in this reply it doesn't seem to be including the "= "sign in the link and I can't access the page by clicking on the link. It may work after I send it.) From the homepage click on "all databases" under "MORE COLLECTIONS". On the resulting page, Click, on the right hand side, on "FAMILY FACTS" On the next page, in the box on the left side, click on "Name Meanings". Enter whatever first or last name you choose and click "Update". Brec

Gina, This is from Ancestry: Edmund English (also used in Germany): from an Old English personal name composed of the elements ead prosperity, riches, fortune + mund protector. It was borne by several early royal and saintly figures, including a 9th-century king of East Anglia killed by invading Danes, allegedly for his adherence to Christianity. This story earned him a cult that spread throughout Western and Central Europe. Cognates: Irish: Eamon. Scottish Gaelic: Eumann. French, Dutch: Edmond. Italian: Edmondo. Spanish, Portuguese: Edmundo. Hungarian: Ödön. A Dictionary of First Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0192800507 I had an ancestor, living during my mother's life time, who everyone called H. V., including himself. His name was Henry Vivian Sorrow. Could it be possible that Edmund had two given names, the second of which began with "D", but doesn't show up in records? Possibly a name he didn't like. I had an uncle whose middle name was Helma. He disliked it so much he had it legally changed early in adulthood. Just a thought. Brec ----- Original Message ----- From: <Huntin4hugheses@aol.com> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:26 PM Subject: [SCKY] Name abbreviations for the name Edmund All, Has anyone ever came across the name Edmund ( Edwin, Edmond, etc.) abbreviated as E.D., or a person of that name calling themselves E.D. ? Any info is appreciated! Gina ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ====

All, Has anyone ever came across the name Edmund ( Edwin, Edmond, etc.) abbreviated as E.D., or a person of that name calling themselves E.D. ? Any info is appreciated! Gina

You can try this link at Tennessee Genweb http://www.tngenweb.org/franklin/frannick.htm or this one http://www.genealogyencyclopedia.com/nicknames/index.htm 18th & 19th Century nicknames I entered "common nicknames +genealogy" (minus the quotes) in MSN search. You probably would get similar results from Google. There were several choices. Brec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Helen Stanford" <hkotm@ipa.net> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: [SCKY] nick-names Please forgive me I am having a senior moment more like a senior hour...lol Could you tell me where I can find a list of common nicknames. Thanks Helen ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ====

Please forgive me I am having a senior moment more like a senior hour...lol Could you tell me where I can find a list of common nicknames. Thanks Helen

Just thought I'd close out the week with some miscellaneous notes. 1 - I'm glad that Bill Utterback posted about the proposed conference coming up at the end of July in Paducah. Many of you are aware of Bill's expertise and extensive knowledge of genealogy and that this conference will be well worth your time. While dealing primarily with the Jackson Purchase area, I am positive that Bill and other speakers will greatly increase your knowledge in many areas. I'm going to be attending and really recommend that you participate if you possibly can. The deadline for letting Bill know is the 10th so if you think you have some interest, you can contact him at billco@arn.net 2 - if you haven't checked out the national graveside locator at http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1, you might be missing something very helpful. This covers the entire US, not just VA and deals with soldiers and their families buried in national cemeteries. I found a LOT of information. 3 - My post for next Thursday on KYRESEARCH I think will be a very unusual one. We've all read of the sci fi "little green men" of Mars, but have you read about the real blue people of Troublesome Creek? This is quite interesting and I just learned about it thanks to one of the subbers on the research list. If you're not a member of KYRESEARCH - it's a once a week post I make every Thursday, no queries, no other posts. If you'd like to learn about something many people haven't heard about this next week, you can subscribe by sending an email to KYRESEARCH-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and just putting the word subscribe in the subject line. If you're already receiving my posts, you don't need to resubscribe. 4 - Is anyone missing this lady? Walters, Sarah 1 Jan 1774 17 Dec 1820 Her tombstone was just located, in the vicinity of the McDaniel's graveyard in the Salem Church area, but we don't think, at this time, it came from this cemetery. We have no idea of who she was - if you have any information on Sarah, please write me. I have no other information on her so can't help you back! 5 - Thanks to all the emails asking how I'm doing. Slowly ... at times I've felt like those little green men - like a million dollars even, green and wrinkled! But I am on my feet and have no idea of what hit me. I'm not pushing yet as my get up and go has pretty well gotten up and gone but I am on the mend. 5 - thanks for the compliments also on the little newspaper tidbits I've been posting. I think these give us an insight to the lives and problems of our ancestors and might offer a clue once in a while as to why we can't find our family. Hopefully - will see you Monday with a new puzzler and Barren Co posts. Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

New York Times, 29 Mar 1890. "Awful work of the south-western tornadoes. A Vast Tract Devastated. The Loss of Life in Louisville, however, not so great. "It is now believed that not more than 150 persons were killed there - Metropolis, Ill., and Bowling Green, KY., said to have been wiped out and the number of lives lost tremendous. "While reports of the work done by the dreadful tornado which struck Louisville, Ky., and other places in that State, Illinois, and Tennessee on Thusday sent out that night proved to have been greatly exaggerated, the extent of the calamity as far as loss of life is concerned is still sufficiently great to be appalling. Late last night it was reported that in Louisville not more than 150 persons had lost their lives, and in an official addess to the people of that afflicted city the number was placed at only 75. "Telegraph communication with the other stricken places - and with Louisville, also, to some extent - is still in a very demoralized condition, and reports from Metropolis, Ill., and Bowling Green, Ky., are the most meagre nature as to details. Bowling Green, a town with a population of 5,000, is reported to have been almost entirely destroyed, and it is also said that the loss of life at that place was very great. "From Metropolis comes the bare statement that the town was struck by a furious tornado, that hundreds of live were lost, and that hundreds of lives were lost, and that hundreds of houses had been demolished by the gales. That is all the news that has been received from either of those two places in which the most damage - aside from Louisvile - has been done, but it is probable that more definite information concerning the condition of the towns will be received this morning. "The storm from which these tornadoes, occurring at almost the same time but in such widely separated localities, sprung, has been carefully watched by the Signal Service authorities for almost three days. It began last Wednesday in the southwestern part of Nebraska, and since that time it has traveled eastward a distance of almost 2,000 miles. At 6 o'clock last night its centre was over Erie, Penn., and still traveling east, though at a much lower rate of speed than that with which it sped through the Western Sates through which it passed. "The storm covered a space in point of width occupying about 1,500 miles, and from its various "branches" sprang the tornadoes which have worked such awful havoc. That particular tornado which was felt so severely in Kentucky covered, apparently, a distance of about 130 miles and an average distance in width of about half a mile. It came from the southwest, traveling in a zig-zag way to the northeast. "The Illinois tornado and that which struck towns in tennessee seems to have been an entirely different blast, caused b local atmospheric conditions. It appeared in Metropolis, and within a very short time in the upper portion of Tennessee." Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Another Monroe Co query. If you can help, would you please write Sherrill privately; she is not on the list. Her email is Lines611@aol.com Thanks, Sandi I'm trying to find proof that Jacob Chism (m. Priscilla Howard) was the son of James Chism. They were both in Barron Co., Ky in the early 1800s. My great grandfather, Loammi Chism, was the son of Jacob Creth Chism and Nancy Williams. Jacob Creth Chism was the son of Jacob Chism and Priscilla Howard, who settled in Morgan Co., Mo in the 1830s. Did James Chism have a Will or some other document that listed his children? I know that Jacob and Priscilla were members of the Mulkey Meeting House, as were James Chism and Mary Howard Chism (James is buried in the Mulkey Cemetery). I look foreward to hearing back from you. Sherril Lines Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

I'm forwarding this by permission. Can any of you Monroe Co experts give a helping hand? If you can, please write to Joy directly, she is not on this list. Her email is: joyebk@yahoo.com Thanks Sandi Joy wrote: I am trying to complete my DAR papers and am missing one connector documentation proving that Philip Mulkey born in KY in 1802 is the son of John Mulkey born 14 Jan 1773 in SC and the grandson of both Obadiah Howard and Jonathan Mulkey. I know there must be some document proving that connection but have only my family records, the Philip Mulkey Hunt book on the Mulkeys and the book, A Fork in the Road, which may not be acceptable for DAR membership. I look forward to hearing from you. Joy Kohl Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/