My mother came to Missour from Kentucky in 1910 With her parents and brothers and sisters in a wagon, they had to cross some rivers on a ferry. I am not sure but I think they had to cross the Mississippi on a ferry. She told me the reason for comming was that there was jobs working in the timber. Cousins had came here before they did and apparently went back and told them about the Jobs. My Grandmother had 3 or 4 first cousins that came here also. My Father went to Southern Illinois where he worked in the Coal Mines for a while. So I would say that the reason for leaving and moving west or north was for more Jobs. Zelma

Revolutionary War Veteran, David Allee, was a minister for the Glovers Creek church, he and his wife, Charity Bybee, moved to Missouri where he continued his work of ministry and establishing churches, even opened a school. He became quite well known. Many of these named families followed. More proof for your theory Sandi. Betty C.

Heading out of here in a few - been on 13 hours ... but another reason people moved to MO and IL were the traveling churches. There was a large group that left Mt Tabor Baptist Church here in Barren Co and went to IL - many members of the church all went together in order to start a new church(es) in IL and MO. I don't think it was because of military land grants - but I will stand corrected if I am incorrect. VA gave land to the soldiers and officers of the Rev War in the County of Kentucky VA which of course became the Commonwealth of KY - and there was some land given in OH. But primarily it was the low cost of the land, looking for fertile lands and riches which might light ahead, churches with their families all going together to start churches in the new frontiers. Texas, as stated before, gained a lot from Kentucky as did Kansas. Many who went to KS came back, it was still rather a hostile land, hard to farm, and the Indians were still there. Of course CA gained a lot - some short term - seeking their fortunes in the gold fields. Man has always had the wander lust and the dear wives and children gave up families and friends to go with their man. They were a hearty crew - men and women alike! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

What an interesting discussion! I have often wondered why the ancestors moved to new places which were often full of dangers. I'm currently working on a group of families who were in Barren County, and moved to central Missouri. They were related by marriage and by birth. Some when on to the Western States, but most lived and died in the area where they first settled. Most of these particular families originated in Virginia. And I have a question, did many of them move because of military land warrants, and thus begin the rush to the frontier, or was it simply an urge to look for another greener pasture? Betty

Your questions are interesting, Dan; just as the topic you mention holds much interest. While researching a novel I set along the Oregon Trail in the midst of westward migration, it was apparent that the early movers and shakers had several means of learning about an area. Often the initial interest in say, Oklahoma or Wyoming was provided by someone who had been there and happy to relate what they knew of it. I was surprised by the number of times a migrant might set out for Idaho, and find Kansas or Wyoming so attractive that they just stopped and unloaded the wagons. (The novel, not yet finished, ends at Fort Laramie because the hero has found not only a wife and work, but an area that called to him.) Newspapers were plentiful in the 1880s and often carried land enticements. They carried ads from 'land agents,' not all of whom were trustworthy. Sometimes, when Kentuckians became interested in migrating, they might pool some expense money and send one of their own to report on conditions and prospects. Others learned of the broad mesas of northern Wyoming or lumbering potential of Idaho from family members or friends who had migrated there (from about 1841, when the first large movements began), I once had a copy of the old Columbia (KY) Spectator, devoted to letters from Adair County,KY settlers in South Texas. The letters extolled the climate, the abundance of rain and the fertility of the soil.and the most outrageous descriptions of crop production. Those who know only a little about South Texas will recognize immediately that these were not to be found there. But one may forgive the writers for this transgression, if they take into account that the settlers no doubt wanted those at home to join them. Probably all of the ways of learning about new territory that you mention were used at one time or another. The movies have pretty nearly convinced us that the settlers were desperately poor people looking for a better life. Actually, the stories were so trumped-up that most made the trip expecting to find a way to get rich. Some did, including a former society matron who ran a laundry service for gold miners, washing those first Levy's made of canvas like a tarpaulin for $10 per wash. Whether she offered any other services is not clear, but she returned East to live a long, comfortable life in high society. Considering that it cost about $1,500 to outfit one wagon and buy six months of supplies, it was almost entirely an adventure for the middle and upper class. One could get to Missouri or Oklahoma or even Texas for less money, if he already owned a wagon and team and had put away meat, canned goods, etc. But to go to the far west was expensive, since $1,500 would buy a large farm with a nice house in Kentucky. From 1868 onward, there was rail service along a single east-west route. While some might live another 50 miles from the railroad, it was possible to get seed, farm equipment and all other non-perishable goods across the entire northern and central tier of the US. Many did take seed with them. The orchards in Washington state are said to date from a trip a New York man made with a second wagon loaded with young apple trees. A couple of Boston old maids went to California with little other than a pump organ and two liquor stills. Kentucky and Tennessee supplied most of the settlers in north Texas, a good many in Arkansas and Adair County, Oklahoma was named by settlers from that county in Kentucky (though the Chamber of Commerce has now concocted a more interesting version of how it was named). Adair County, Iowa was settled by those from around Columbia; and Kentucky supplied the wagons in a train headed for the area around Durango, Colorado. Life was hard everywhere, so settlers had little to lose by migrating to any spot that appeared, even from a distance, to be better than their own. Hermit in the Woods Columbia,KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Page" <depage@ipa.net> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: [SCKY] Relocation > I have several ancestors who lived in SCKY and migrated to MO, etc. > mostly in the mid 1800's. I've often wondered about their process of > relocation. How did they know what was available, and where to > go? Were opportunities widely advertised in newspapers or at the > local town hall? Most were farmers and would require farmland > wherever they went. Were people in MO advertising farmland in > SCKY? Or, did the Kentuckians just sell out and head west with their > fingers crossed for good luck? Maybe they just stopped and asked > people along the way about what was available? I know that most did > not go where relatives were. Did they generally take their stock > with them? Maybe it was customary that one go ahead and explore then > come back for the family? I've seen no evidence to support that. I'm > also a bit doubtful about what time of year was best for a farmer to > move. Did they carry seed with them? > > There's a lot I seem to have missed about this western migration and > settlement of the central U.S. I can readily understand people > wanting to seek better opportunities and more favorable > circumstances. But, were the moves all sort of by guess and luck? I > suppose it might be easier for shoemakers and preachers. But farmers?? > > > > ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > >

Don - I can't say this was the case at all times but .. When the Ellenois and Messouri (sic) territories were opened up, the word went out rapidly. Land was offered at a cheap rate and was advertised in the newspapers all the time. Incentives were offered much like land in KY as prior to and after it's commonwealth status. Many times, some of the family did lead the way and move up to the new territory They would write back to their families in KY and tell them how good the land was, how rich and fertile, how cheap the land was, etc. Then the rest of the family would pack up and go. I imagine Kentuckians did take some seeds with them and most certainly their livestock. They could ill afford to start from scratch most times and buy new cattle, sheep or horses. I'm not familiar with all of MO tho I lived there many years, but I am a native Illinoisian and am more familiar with the lands there. In central IL where I was reared, the soil is extremely rich; the soil a coal black. The land is flat in a lot of the areas in IL, farming was plentiful, coal mines were in the southern part of the state and the commercial aspects of the state up around Chicago. Many of our family members - both on the Gorin side and my own paternal and maternal sides headed off to IL this way. Vandalia IL was the capitol of IL for some time and then moved up to Springfield where farming reigns. George Rogers Clark's and his men likely also spread the word of the richness of the land. MO has also very rich soil with some areas of red clay and rocky land in the Ozark areas. Like any young man of the era, the grass might be greener in a new location and adventure was in their soul. Hope this helps a tad and maybe some of the MO and IL residents on our list can fill in other information as to how and why their families left KY. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

I have several ancestors who lived in SCKY and migrated to MO, etc. mostly in the mid 1800's. I've often wondered about their process of relocation. How did they know what was available, and where to go? Were opportunities widely advertised in newspapers or at the local town hall? Most were farmers and would require farmland wherever they went. Were people in MO advertising farmland in SCKY? Or, did the Kentuckians just sell out and head west with their fingers crossed for good luck? Maybe they just stopped and asked people along the way about what was available? I know that most did not go where relatives were. Did they generally take their stock with them? Maybe it was customary that one go ahead and explore then come back for the family? I've seen no evidence to support that. I'm also a bit doubtful about what time of year was best for a farmer to move. Did they carry seed with them? There's a lot I seem to have missed about this western migration and settlement of the central U.S. I can readily understand people wanting to seek better opportunities and more favorable circumstances. But, were the moves all sort of by guess and luck? I suppose it might be easier for shoemakers and preachers. But farmers??

Thanks to all of you who replied to me. I live in Ca. and have never been in KY. but plan to go there this year. Mildred

2 Sept 1800: Present: Robert WALLACE, William WALTON & John ROUNTREE. Ordered that Jeremiah DOUGHTY be exempt from being Surveyor of the road from CUMPTON's to McHENRY's field & that Elijah BAKER be appt in his stead. David WATKINS exempt from paying county and revenue taxes in the future. Indenture of bargain & sale between William SMITH and Nicholas ROBERSON proved by Abraham KING, a witness; proved & recorded. Thomas CHAPMAN asked for a jury to meet on his land to see where he was getting ready to erect a water grist mill. Benjamin MELTON apptd Constable, took oaths; Wm MELTON his Security. Jonathan RUSSELL, justice, joined the other justices. John SERAT exempt from paying one county levy for 1799. Elias JORDEN exempt from paying tax on 50 acres of 2nd rate land for 1799. Ordered that the town establishing on the land of Toliver CRAIG be called Canton. Samuel CALDWELL produced a licence of the Judge of the District Court permitting him to practice as Council or attorney in this court; took oaths. Present: David HUDSPETH, Robert WALLACE left. Sterling CLACK is appt Constable, took oaths, David HUDSPETH his security. John DENTON appt Surveyor of the road from his house to the TN line on a line towards the BLEDSOE Lick. On motion of James BILL? by his attorney, ordered that a motion was made for him by Edwin L HARRIS for his Sallery [sic - salary] as Commonwealth Attorney be overruled with cost. Bill of sale between William DILLIN and Michel HART ackowledged, recorded. Court adjourned until November. /s/ Jona RUSSELL. Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Mildred, I forgot to mention that many people at various times had a Cave City address, but lived in Hart and even Edmondson counties. The final shape of Hart County includes land from Barren County. It makes a troublesome mix for researchers. For example, Vivian Rousseau told me that at one point, the Crump family owned all the land on the west side of Happy Valley Road from 31W to 31-E and then to the Bearwallow Stage Station....but they lived in Glasgow. Their address alone would have obscured this fact. Hermit in the Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandi Gorin" <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: [SCKY] Cave City > Always has been in Barren Co from day 1 to present. Sandi > > At 08:29 PM 3/28/2006 -0800, you wrote: > >Can someone tell me what county > >Cave City, KY, was in 1850 census... > >Mildred > > > > > >==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > Sandi's Puzzlers: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html > SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html > GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ > > > > ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > >

Mildred, Cave City has always been in Barren County, though Hart County comes within a few feet of the city limits. Gordon Crump Columbia ----- Original Message ----- From: "mildred Tatum" <mftatum@webtv.net> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: [SCKY] County in KY > Can someone tell me what county > Cave City, KY, was in 1850 census... > Mildred > > > ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > >

Always has been in Barren Co from day 1 to present. Sandi At 08:29 PM 3/28/2006 -0800, you wrote: >Can someone tell me what county >Cave City, KY, was in 1850 census... >Mildred > > >==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > > > > > Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Can someone tell me what county Cave City, KY, was in 1850 census... Mildred

Cpl Herman EMBERTON and Virginia COE were married 2 Jan by Rev. HILLMYER of Indianapolis IN. She a graduate of T'ville High School, has been employed in Indy for the past yr. He is in the Military Police at Camp ATTERBERRY Ind, in service since 18 Aug 1942. Pvt Bernard H PICKERELL, stationed at Ft Custer Mich likes Army life very much. He says there are 20 Monroe Co boys there, he is taking training for M. P. duty. Co A, 785th MP Bn Ft Custer. Pvt Levey BELCHER is in Camp Blanding FL and says there are many Monroe Co boys there: Pvt Carlile CRAWFORD, Pvt Luke MONDAY, Roy (or Ray) GERALDS, Pvt Osborn M CROWE, Pvt Pete BRANDON & Cpl Arvie GOAD. Likes the weather, are qualifying on the rifle range. He with Co K, 119th Inf, A P O No 30. Pvts Lonnie McGUIRE & Cordell GRIDER wrote from Hawaii. About through with training. Pvt Leland C TURNER stationed at Camp Young CA, F Co, 320th Inf, Los Angeles. Says "it's swell except for the dust storms." Sgt. Dwight O ANDERSON is in Oahu, Hawaii, has been in Army 2 yrs. He is the youngest son of Mr & Mrs T G ANDERSON, likes the Army. Was promotd to 1st/Sgt in Nov. His sister has his mailing address - Ms A V NORMAN of Summer Shade. Names of students who passed in T'ville school (44 passed out of 49): Leon STRODE, Celia Mildred HAMMER, Nelda CHAPMAN, Rondell Kirby WOOD, Jack Douglas MILLER, Joe Bernard MILLER, Marjorie Jean HOWARD, Glen E PAGE, Kenneth Gray ENGLAND, Marshall W MORRISON, Cecil D McCREARY, Betty HEAD, Nelda valena PITCOCK, Evelyn GETTINGS, Ruby BEOWN, Wayne HOWARD, Evie Janell BARTLEY, Nancy Pearl LYON, Chlo EAGLE Hagan and Edward BRADLEY, Lois McCREARY, Nebert J HESTAND, Margaret Louise CLOYD, Kathryn DYER, Iva Myrtle ARNETT, William G HOWARD, Mamie Reid EATON, Wonota JACKSON, Orville Savage HALL, Jewell LUNDY, Benny Eugene BOWMAN, Nellie Dean WILSON, Vivian Lucille BOWMAN, Dora Dene RASNER, Rex DENHAM, Helma Jane EATON, Flora V GOAD, Louise BAILEY (black), John Nealy DOSSEY, Leathie Mae PROFFITGT, Alma T DYER, Elmer GERALD, Kirk Morgan TOOLEY, an Louisa Christine BRANSTETER. First 10 made the highest grades. Rest not listed by grade. Cecil D McCREARY made 100% in Health. Death angel visited Mud Lick 11 Jan - Mr Quates WHEAT's father died - known as "Uncle" Jim WHEAT. Mrs Dee TURNER recovering slowly from serious illness. Mrs Carson ISENBERG of Indianapolis visited her parents, Mr & Mrs Buford EMBERTON over the weekend. Fred BLACK recovering from injuries from an auto accident. Little Carolyn Sue TURNER has been real sick. Pvt. Selby E EMBERTON, camp Blanding FL thanks his friends from Mud Lick for their nice letters and prayers. Mrs Mary CARNAHAN is still on the sick lis. Miss Clarence EMBERTON left for Indy recently, working with her sister, Mrs. Carson ISENBERG. Ads stating it was time to pay the city taxes (Bud PHILPOTT, tax collector), Clyde McMURTRY, tax commissioner. Stand Theatre was showing Disney's Dumbo. to be contined with another paper next week. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

All, I am transcribing a court paper from 1849. In reference to land it says ... nor do they know whether the same was (illegible word- fratuited?) _______ to Allan deceased or purchased by him from others who made deeds of conveyance therefore- They _________ that some of the tracts were ________ to hom and that others were conveyed to him.... I think that the meaning is inherited I wrote what I saw and the letters look like patcuted ... does anyone have a clue what was really written ? Love these old docs! Any suggestions are appreciated! Thanks, RJ

I'll try to locate some other information to start another series on Barren Co next week. Charlie has posted the puzzler for the week. My apologizes if I confused some of you with last week's puzzler - I changed the way I asked the question before posting last week and most of you were answering it based on the way I meant to ask it. A duplicate, or follow-up subspoena was called an alias subpoena when the first one did not either reach the party subpoened or was to the wrong individual. This was abbreviated in the minute books as als spa. See you tomorrow - Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Outlots: # 1,2 & 3 John ANDERSON, $17.50, 23 Apr 1803, Book B, p. 27 #4 - no record #5 - David WALKER (across from Anderson's lots), county order, 51 John TERRY for tax, Jan 1840, county orer 294 #6 - John TERRY, tax, Jan 1840, co order 294 #7 - William SAVAGE, 5 shillings for 4 acres, 26 Sept 1811, Book B, 403 Same, 20 Sept 1811, county order 19 J MURRELL redeemed by D MILLER, Dec 1835, county order, 256 #8 - H MOSS for tax, 7 Jan 1840, county order, 294 #9 - John MATTHEWS heirs, 1815, county order, 61 W T BUSH, 29 Sept 1823, county order 150 #10 - Isaac ROBINSON, original, county order 150 W T BUSH, 27 Sept 1823, county order 150 #11 - Isaac ROBINSON, county order 150 Lewis FRANKLIN, 27 Sept 1823, county order 150 J MURRELL tax S.E. front lot, 27 Nov 1835, county order 253 H MOSS, Jan 1840 #12 - Henry MILLER, 23 Apr 1803, B 28 #13 - David WALKER, county order 50 B CRUMP, back tax .16, 27 Nov 1835, county order 150 #14 - no record #15 - H MOSS for tax, 7 Jan 1840, county order 294 #16 - B B CRUMP back tax north west 1/2 of lot, 27 Nov 1835, c.o., 253 F GORIN, for taxes, 30 Dec 1835, c.o., 256 North 1/2 of lot deeded 23 Jujly 1838, c.o. 276 #17 - John MATTHEWS heirs, 1815, c.o. 16 CRUMP & BAGBY, back taxes, 27 Nov 135, c.o. 250 F GORIN for taxes, 30 Dec 1835, c.o. 256 #18 - B B WINN, $21.25, 17 Oct 18?? CRUMP & BAGBY back taxes, 27 Nov 1835, c.o. 250 F GORIN for taxes, 30 Dec 1835, c.o. 256 #19 - original owner not found CRUMP & BAGBY back taxes, 30 Dec 1835, c.o. 256 F GORIN for taxes, 30 Dec 1835, c.o. 256 #20 - Jas HATTON, $40, 17 Oct 18?? Same as above #21 - Thos B MONROE, $52.00, 17 Oct 18?? Series end - Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Does anyone on the list know of a group that is or will be doing DNA search for the name of KEETON? Thanks Helen

Hi, there's a Keating project and Keeton is one of the variants listed. It's through Family Tree DNA. The specific web site page is http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=D58830&special=True&projecttype=S Good luck, Dick Stephens ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Helen Stanford" <hkotm@ipa.net> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [SCKY] DNA > Does anyone on the list know of a group that is or will be doing DNA > search for the name of KEETON? > Thanks Helen > > > ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > > >

Sherri has been busy! I just went to this site and actually found some of my Gorin clan in AL ... now if I can figure out how to afford the copies I need! It's worth a look-see: http://archivegrid.org/web/jsp/index.jsp Free thru May 31st. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/