Well, the thoughts shall be short; on my 4 hours sleep, Martha Harrison and I spent 6 hours at the KY Library in Bowling Green and really accomplished a LOT. If you've never visited there, it's worth your time; the staff there is wonderful, their holdings extensive and it's always a joy to go camp out there for a few hours. On the puzzler. For all of you who are answering that this is a farm, buildings, homestead ... no. This might be an alternate definition but not what I am looking for. Quite a few of you are getting it correct, so if you sent in a guess re homestead, farm, etc .... look some more and try again!!! See you tomorrow after a little more sleep with Monroe Co newspaper tidbits. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

This is great! Can a person order the marriage cert and what information would be found on the cert if able to order one? Where could it be ordered and the cost? Thanks so much for informing us of this great tool Joyce McDaniel Hennessy -----Original Message----- From: Linda Hendley [mailto:lbh@scrtc.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 2:23 PM To: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCKY] Warren County Marriage Hi all, Just thought you all might like this site. It has Warren County marriages from 1797-1870 and Finally I was able to track one of my Claspill's Enjoy! Linda http://www.burgoo.com/main1797.html ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ====

Searching for any information regarding ELOISE BRADSHAW, first wife of ERVIN HOUCHENS, Barren Cty, Ky. natives. Who are her parents, siblings, ancestors? I find nothing on the net. Thanks & have a great week, Ginny

Hi all, Just thought you all might like this site. It has Warren County marriages from 1797-1870 and Finally I was able to track one of my Claspill's Enjoy! Linda http://www.burgoo.com/main1797.html

A very quick note as this is a researching day. Charlie has posted the puzzler for the week on the web site; take a try to see if you can figure this one out. Click on the URL in my signature line called gensoup, take a guess, hit return and your guess will appear in my mail box. I will try to answer each of you later on today or tomorrow. Have a great day - see you tomorrow! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Minute book 5: 24 Jan 1831 appeared Clem HILL. Stated he was 73 years old. Enlisted for 18 months on or about 25 April 1779 in VA in company commanded by Captain Adam WALLIS in VA in the regiment commanded by Col Abraham BRIFORD, Continental line. Continued to serve until the 25th day of Oct 1780 when discharged in Hillsborough NC. He is late in applying because he just heard about his right to receive a pension. About 6-8 years ago he was in the possession of a small farm and previously had 2 grown sons living with him.List of possessions: 66 2/3 acres of land $182.50 1 loom @ $7.00 30 barrels of corn @ $30.00 1 grind stone @ $1.00 1 reel @ $1.00 1 flax wheel @ $1.50 1 cotton wheel @ $2.00 7 old chairs @ $1.75 1 dressing table @ $1.00 1 chest @ $1.50 1 table @ $2.00 1 bureau @ $6.00 1 cupboard & furniture @ $19.00 Kitchen furniture @ $10.00 12 hogs @ $11.00 7 head of cattle @ $38.00 1 head of horses @ $22.00 Farming tools @ $24.25 1 Waggon @ $70.00 Total: $533.00 Since March 18th - following changes made. 100 acres of land in Barren Co sold to John LAWRENCE (1826) in money $228. Sold 100 acres of land to Samuel MORRIS about 1827 - $150 in cash bonds. From this money he paid $60 for a just debt owed to Caira HILL ($50). Paid money owed to George HILL and the remaining $10 paid a doctor's bill for his daughter who is deranged ($20). Is a farmer, old and inform, not able to labor. Has daughter Rebecca age abt 26 yrs who is insane. Has niece of his wife named Martha BAGBY about 13 yrs old. Wife is old and infirm, not able to do much work. Daughter can't work because of insanity. Martha has a malady on her head. End of testimony. More people had insane children to get their pension! To be continued next week with James SPILMAN. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Kat, Elizabeth HARPER CRUMP, d/o Hance and Rhoda HARPER, is the wife of Archibald (Archer) CRUMP. I suspect that Rhoda may have a given name of Elizabeth as well (Nancy being the nickname) which would make the two death listings the same person. As to which year is correct (1857 or 1858), we may never know. Romeo CRUMP, brother of Archibald, married Elizabeth's sister, Sarah Rhoda (Rhody) HARPER. Judy Lawler Hart Co., KY ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kl343@aol.com> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [SCKY] HART CO DEATHS CONTINUED - Crump listing > CRUMP, Elizabeth, 59 yrs, 1 mo, 15 days, widow, born Barren Co, d/o Hance > & > Rhoda > HARPER, ereyslpilis, 25 Jan 1857. There is another entry for 25 Jan > 1858, > showing > her 59 yrs, 8 mos and 15 days, parents as Hance and Nancy HARPER. > ---- > Any CRUMP family researchers out there that can give me more hints on this > HARPER lady?? Think this is the same lady listed in the Marriage > index??? > Barren County Marriage index: > CRUMP, Archibald to HARPER, Elizabeth, d/o Hance, 16 Mar 1815. > CRUMP, Romeo to HARPER, Rhody, 30 Jan 1812. > > Thanks, > Kat in Texas > > > > ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > > >

...and a Happy Easter to you, Tom! Gordon Crump, Jack Ross' brother-in-law from Munfordville. Pat's husband then. Hermit in the Woods Columbia,KY ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jtp9278@cs.com> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:26 AM Subject: [SCKY] TO ALL > A very happy EASTER to you. > Tom Pennington > > > ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > >

A very happy EASTER to you. Tom Pennington

CRUMP, Elizabeth, 59 yrs, 1 mo, 15 days, widow, born Barren Co, d/o Hance & Rhoda HARPER, ereyslpilis, 25 Jan 1857. There is another entry for 25 Jan 1858, showing her 59 yrs, 8 mos and 15 days, parents as Hance and Nancy HARPER. ---- Any CRUMP family researchers out there that can give me more hints on this HARPER lady?? Think this is the same lady listed in the Marriage index??? Barren County Marriage index: CRUMP, Archibald to HARPER, Elizabeth, d/o Hance, 16 Mar 1815. CRUMP, Romeo to HARPER, Rhody, 30 Jan 1812. Thanks, Kat in Texas

Continuation of deaths recorded in the vital statistics for Hart Co.Consumption is TB CRANE, Alis: 32, female, married, d/o Andrew J & Cynthia A WILKERSON (Hart-Hart), consumption, 20 Oct 1877. CRAINE: Francis D, 26, married, born Green Co KY, d/o James & Sally HICKS, southside, puerperal fever, 21 Mar 1858. James T, 5 yrs, 4 mos, 19 days, s/o A H & Frances, southside, consumption, 11 July 1857. Sarah J, 4 yrs, 6 mos, d/o Albert & Frances, southside, croup, 31 Aug 1859. Slave No first name, 7 days, female, Francis Craine owner, northside, croup, 15 Nov 1854. CREAMER: Nathan/Matthew?, 14 mos, s/o Jacob & Elizabeth J, cholera, July 1852. William Franklin, 1 yr and 4 mos, s/o same, southside, croup, 20 Oct 1854. CRENSHAW: Mary C?, 45, married, born Bedford Co VA, d/o William A & Elizath KING (VA-VA), consumption, 4 July 1876. CRESY: Matilda, 17, single, d/o Jeff P & Amanda (Barren-Barren), scrofula, 21 Aug 1875. Likely CREASY/CREASEY. CROICE?, Samuel F, 27, married, s/o William & Mary W (Fayette Co-Fayette Co), stabbed with a knife, 17 Aug 1877. CROGHAN, Sarah C, age 39 or 59 (blurred), born VA, d/o F & Mary HENRY (VA-VA), 2 Jan 1875. CROUCH: Robert, 1 mo, s/o J J & Martha Y, northside, brain inflamation, 25 Apr 1858. Slave Liza J, 21 days, owned by John J, northside, unknown, 1 Jan 1857. Slave Nelson, 38, owned byk same, northside, consumption, 10 Jan 1857. Slave Willis, 8 mos & 2 days, same owner, whooping cough, 23 Dec 1858. CROW, Levi E, 3 mos, shown female, c/o William H K& M J (Green Co-Green Co), croup, 1877. CRUMP: Albert B, 3 yrs, 11 mos, 27 days,s/o William H & Sally, southside, flux, 25 Sept 1857. Barabara, 3 hours, d/o John A & H S (KY-KY), unknown, 16 Mar 1874. Elizabeth, 59 yrs, 1 mo, 15 days, widow, born Barren Co, d/o Hance & Rhoda HARPER, ereyslpilis, 25 Jan 1857. There is another entry for 25 Jan 1858, showing her 59 yrs, 8 mos and 15 days, parents as Hance and Nancy HARPER. G W, 10 yrs, 6 mos, 7 days, c/o J P & Anna, dysentary, 17 July 1855. Henry T, 7 yrs, 7 mos, 17 days, s/o William H & Sally, southside, flux, 22 Sep 1857. James W, 4 yrs, 11 mos, 7 days, s/o Thomas J & Mary J, diseased heart, 25 Feb 1855. Jane S?, 4 yrs, 9 mos, 7 days, d/o William B & Mary, northside, fever, 16 Aug 1859. John B, 23, single, s/o William & Nancy, thphoid, 29 June 1853. John W G, 1 yr, 10 mos, 1 ay, southside, s/o Joshua H & Virginia (Hart-Hart), unknown, 15 Sept 1861. Judith, 16, single, d/o William & Nancy, typhoid, 24 July 1853. Lafayette, 8 yrs, 11 mos, 26 days, s/o J P & Anna, dysentary, 20 July 1855. Lowery A, 10 mos, 28 days,s/o William H & Sally, southside, flux, 10 Sept 1857. Lucy, 18, single, d/o William & Nancy, typhoid, 12 July 1853. Martha, 15, d/o William & Nancy, 25 July 1853. Mary L, 3 hrs, d/o John A & Ann S (Hart-Hart), unknown, 16 Mar 1875. Mattie L, 2 mos, resided & died Louisville, d/o W R & Mollie (KY-TN), bowel congestion, 1 Jan 1874. Nancy B, 9 mos & 26 days, d/o Joshua H & Virginia, southside, scarletina, 16 July 1857. No First Name, male, s/o William & Isabelle, rest unreadable, 1 Oct 1852. No first Name, female, 27 days, d/o John H & Virignia, southside, whooping cough, 10 Mar 1854. Thomas, 16, s/o Joshua & Jane, northside, liver complaint, 26 Jan 1854. Virginia, 26, single, d/o William & Nancy, typhoid, 4 July 1853. W A, 45, male, widower, forest agent, s/o W B & Nancy (Hart-Hart), consumption, 3 Aug 1907. W H, 50, married, resided Edmonson Co, s/o William & Nancy, killed by E J RUSHBURG?, 5 Nov 1892. to be continued next week. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Just a note - back from the opthomologist and can sorta see after all the eye drops and tests. My first surgery will be at 8 am on Thursday, 27 April. The 2nd about a month later if all goes well. After learning all the possible problems that can go wrong with this "simple" cataract procedure, I'm about ready to chicken out! So - I'll be able to post up thru the 26th and then see how I feel on the 28th. If in doubt, I'll play hookey with the list. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Just a couple of notes before I head off to the opthomologist to meet with the surgeon. I'll know the secheduled dates of the surgeries at this time likely. The Jesse James program last night was VERY well attended and was quite interestering. No genealogy was covered per se, the speaker dealt primarily with the forming of the James-Younger gang and later the James gang and their trail of robberies through Missouri, KY and WV. He had pictures of some of the gang members, mentioned that many of the original gang were all former Civil War soldiers serving under Quantrill and that they had specific hideouts throughout the various areas which were often provided by their Civil War buddies. Mention was made of the robbery of the stage coach at Mammoth Cave and the accusation of the wrong man being imprisoned for 18 months until Jesse was recognized from a photo after he was killed by Ford. As a humorous side note, the speaker mentioned that everywhere he puts on a program, someone in the audience normally states that Jesse and Frank stayed with their grandparents or some kinfolk. He has decided they must have stayed with everyone! He described their method of robbing banks and trains, that they always rode the best of horses and how they came into town posing as horse or cattle dealers looking for stock; well dressed and well mannered. I don't believe that the program was videotaped unless they were set up in back and I didn't see them. It was an extremely interesting program! Now, some breakfast and off to the eye doc! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

As noted last week, this session is dated the same as last week's, so might have been out in order when typed by the WPA. Present: Gladin GORIN, David HUDSPETH and John ROUNTREE. Account against the estate of Frederic STUMP decd in behalf of Phenix COX produced and allowed. Ordered that John ESTES, Samuel WHITESIDES, John WREN and Reubin BALLARD view for a convenient way for road from Thompson BRIGGS to the Logan Co line heading to the Logan Co courthouse. Settling with the Sheriff for the county levy for 1799 to be handled next session. Sheriff returned a list of delinquents and said the 1797 and 1798 lists can't be found. Mark REAVIS & Daniel MUNROE Sr recommeded as proper persons to fill the position of Justice of the Peace. Howel DAWDY and Nathaniel DUGLAS recommended for same. Thompson BRIGGS nd John WREN recommended as same. Davis SMITH and Dennis BURHAN same. John WILLIAMS who lives on the Sulphur Fork of Drakes Creek and Isaac KING, same. Sterling CLACK exempt from acting as Constable in the future. Vincent ANDERSON made recommendation of Sterling CLACK as his Deputy, approved. Gladin GORIN, Thompson BRIGGS and Henry GRIDER appointed Commissioners to let to the lowest bidder the repairing of the jail instead of the commisisoners who had been previously appointed. John STAGNER Sr exempt from payng his county levy in the future. Court adjourned. /s/ Gladin GORIN. to be continued next week wsith the December session. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Deaths: Jess GRIMSLEY, Sulphur Lick, 82, died at the home of his daughter, Mrs. T. F. BOWLES, in Bowling Green 31 May 1944. Burial White Cemetery. Died of a broken hip suffered about 3 weeks ago. Wife preceded him in death 14 yrs ago. Four children survive, 29 grandchidren. Sons: James and Millard of Glasgow and Mt Hermon respectively. Daughters: Mrs Donnie CHANDLER of T'ville and Mrs Minnie BOWLES of Bowling Green. Mrs. Mary Elizabeth BAILEY, widow of Lycurgus, at the home of her daughter, Mrs. A C DOWNING of Flippin on 31 May 1944, age 71. Survivd by 3 children: Mrs. DOWNING, Mrs. H Z SHIRLEY of Woodburn KY and C H BAILEY of Flippin. A devoted niece who made her home with her for a number of years is Mrs Wallace BEARD of Madisonville KY. also survived by eight grandchildren & two great-grandchildren. Eight bros and sisters: J D FERGUSON of San Francisco, T W FERGURSON of Flippin, Mesdames Daisy HARLIN of Guthrie OK, Julia SMITH and Hattie SIDDENS of Glasgow and Mrs S R MYERS of Flippin. Burial at Etoile by Rev. J H SWANN & C E CARTER. Had united with Harmony Baptist Church early in life. John Thomas CRAIG, last Saturday afternoon, age 77, home of his daughter, Mrs Clancy PROFFITT of Emberton. Burial Neal Cemetery following services at the Baptist church in Flipin by Rev. J H SWANN. Married to Miss Ida BARITT of Bon Ayr in Barren Co in 1992. Widow, six children, 27 grandchilren & 4 great-grandchildren survive. Children besides Mrs Clancy re; Mrs Numors FULTZ of Finley IL, Witt and Glenn CRAIG of Flippin and Gamaliel and Guy CRAIG and Mrs. Hubert TURNER of Villa Grove IL. Baptist. Corinne HALL, d/o M r& Mrs Walter HALL of near T'ville was married to Sgt. Frank W HARRIS Sat evening, 27 May in Roberts Park church in Indianapolis Bridesmaid and best man were Mr & Mrs WIlliam MOORE of Indy. They came to T'ville after the wedding and visited a few days with the bride's parents. She is employed at the Central State Bank in Indy for past 2 yrs; he is a native of IN and stationed in Lincoln NB. May 28: Reed McPHERSON married Olene WADE. She the d/o Mr & Mrs L T (Jack) WADE of near T'ville, manager of the Forkton general store and asistant post master for the past year. He is the s/o Mr & Mrs Edd McPHERSON of the same community. Accepted for military service, expects to be called soon. Soldiers (with photos). Pvt Clyde BAILEY, s/o of Mr & Mrs G L (Fay) BAILEY, fighting German forces above Rome and in Western Europe; closing in on the stolen empire of the Japanese in the Pacific. The Bailey's have 3 sons in Service; fourth son Herman was classified 4-F under Selective Service and is employed in Indy. Pvt Clyde Bailey was in Italy at last report after a yr of serice in the Mediterranean theatre. He was once hospitalized and believed to have been wounded. Has been in service since Aug, 1942. Longest in the service is Sgt William BAILEY (photo), who recently left Fort Ord VCA and is in a Csualty company with a San Francisco Army Post Office #. Pvt George C BAILEY (photo) entered the Army Jan 25, 1944. He is at Camp Barkley, TX. Servicemen reports: A B RHOTON, S1/C, s/o Mrs Annie BURNETT RHOTON, serving as an armed guard on a merchant ship in the Mediterranean. Herbert 'Squeakey" JENKINS, s/o Mr & Mrs Benton Jenkins, with U S Navy at New Guidea. John Conkins MARRS, visited his parents, Dr & Mrs J F MARRS on June 2nd is stationed on the eastern seabord. Pvt. Oral HIGH, husband of Nell CARTER HIGH, is expected home on furlough from Ft. Eustis, VA. Pvt. Joe CREEK had been in the Nichols General Hsopital since Nov with an injured knee was home June 4 to 7. He and wife visited Mr & Mrs J F KERR with whom he formerly made his home. Before their marriage on Apr 27, she was Nancy Bell SHORT, d/o of Luther SHORT of Route 2. Pvt Edward J WHEET was home over the weekend visiting his mother, Mrs Lena WHEET and sister, Miss Jean WHEET of Mud Lick. William Herbert DEWEESE, S/1C, s/o Mrs. J T DEWEESE of Emberton home on a 12 day leave. Has been in the Navy since May 1943. Capt. E R (Doc) BRYANT, back in CA after a period of duty at an Army bse hospital in Ne Guidea. Ensign Cortez BUTLER, s/o Mr & Mrs Billie Butler, spent 2 days with his parents last week. Mrs. Clyde EUBANK wrote from Camp Wolters TX to tell about the camp. Pfc William (BIL) WHITE wrote from Camp Grant IL, s/o Mrs Bessie WHITE of Flippin - had been in service 18 months. Had been at Camp Anza CA, Ft Custer MI, Camp Grant. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Sandi: I don't know how many people know this, but Hart County Marriages from the 1852-1861 period can be found on the LDS website, www.familysearch.org. 1. from their homepage, click on Advanced Search 2. from the menu on the left side of the Advanced Search, click on International Genealogical Index. 3. in addition to whatever you want to use in the name field, fill in the following: Region: North America Country: United States State: Kentucky Batch: M517471 Steve Leech

Charlie has just posted the puzzler - have at it! Sandi

Don't faint - I know it's Sunday! I will be away from the computer tomorrow and decided to go ahead and post this now. When Charlie has a chance, he will post the puzzler for the week. Be sure to check it out on the link in my signature line called gensoup. I will be on-line Tuesday; I have an early morning appt Wed with the eye surgeon to do some preliminary testing and set a schedule for the first surgery. I might have my eyes dialated so if I don't post Wed, it's because I can't focus yet! Thanks for the emails! When I have to be offline due to the surgeries, Bill Utterback will be monitoring the list for me. Most of you know Bill from my frequent references to he and his expertise or from his Jackson Purchase area list. This list has been wonderful over the years and I expect no problems while I'm away (I'll let you know what days as soon as I find out). But, if someone has a problem, Bill will be there and he's one smart gentleman! See you Tuesday, Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Minute Book 4, p. 315: State of Kentucky, Barren Co sct. 15 Dec 1823 appeared John BEVIS, late a private in the Army of the Revolution aged 61 years on the 4th of Feb last. Past resident of Barren County. Said under oath that he served in the Revolutionary War as follows: Enlisted in 1780 in Virginia but in whose company, due to a lapse of time and from a decayed memory, has forgotten. Was marched to the Magazine in Mcklinburg Co VA, thence to Petersburgh, thence to Chesterfield, then to the headquarters of Gen GREEN at Chesam Hills in South Carolina. Was there transferred to Capt LAWSON's Company & attached to the 2nd VA Regiment. Continued there until after the battle of Guilford and was then transferred to Capt BARBER's Company and attached to the 32nd Regiment. Remained there until discharged. He believes the 2nd Regt was commnded by Col. GREENE at the time he joined; but doesn't remember if Greene was killed, transferred or resigned after the battle of Guilford. When the subject ws discharged he was commanded by Major SNEED in Jan or Feb 1782. I have not since that time by gift, sale or otherwise disposed of my property in order to claim a pension. Attached is the schedule of property, is in debt $87.50 in paper money. His family consists of he, his wife (who is about the same age), one daughter who was born Aug 13, 1791 and is totally deranged and helpless and has been for many years. Schedule shows he owned 50 acres of land at $50; four head of cattle at $16; nine head of sheep at $9; a mare and colt at $25, nine head of hogs at $18; two beds at $25; Castings at $5; 10 knives and forks at $1.50; seven charis at $1.75; 4 pewter plates at $1.00 for a total of $152.25. Sworn before Wm LOGAN, Clerk on 15 Oct 1838. Logan attested that he believed Bevis was worth less than $200. Next week: Clem HILL Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Tornado touched down in Sumner Co TN and at least 3 killed in Gallatin. Goodlettsville hit hard and Hendersonville TN hospital was reported to be operating on auxiliary power. Several injured. Bad storn with half dollar sized hail occuring at Crossville TN in Cumberland Co. Mary June