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Sorry - here for a minute. This is late notice but thought maybe some of you who are fairly close might be interested: Mammoth Cave is again sponsoring genealogy and cemetery workshops this weekend - they are free. Friday night, 13 Oct, Genealogy Seminor 6:30-9:30 pm, Smiths Grove at the Presbyterian Church Community Building on the corner of College and 2nd street. Taught by Mark Lowe, well-known professional genealogist who will be speaking on Early Kentucky and Tennessee Settlement Patterns and Tracing the Land - finding the records and marking the bounds. Sat, 14 Oct, 8:30 am-noon. Cemetery Workshop. Demonstsrations and guest speakers will show how to restore & care for cemeteries through lecture and field exercises. University of Louisville archeologist Phil DiBlasi will offer classroom lecture at the same location as above, followed by field study in Smiths Grove Cemetery. You must pre-register - 270-758-2417 for the cemetery workshop, limited to 30 people. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Just a note that there will be nothing else from me until Monday as I leave for Frankfort tomorrow. Hold your questions and guesses until then if you please but feel free to send out your queries! Thanks, Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Tonya on our list just sent me this and it sounds great! It's free and should be very interesting! Sandi In Celebration of Native American Heritage Month SONGs and StoriEs of My PeoplE a public performance by Navajo Storyteller Geri Keams October 19, 2006 7:00 - 8:30 pm Garrett Conference Center Ballroom Geri Keams is a Navajo storyteller, educator, actress, and author born and raised in the Painted Desert of Arizona. Her Clan is Streak-of-Black-Forest, born for Manygoats. As a child Geri grew up without television, living on the Navajo reservation with her nine brothers and sisters. Her grandmother, a rugweaver and storyteller, inspired Geri to remember the stories and songs of her people. Geri graduated from the University of Arizona with a degree in drama and film. She toured with the Native American Theatre Ensemble and co-wrote Nahaszan, a play about the Navajo Creation. Geri co-starred as Moonlight with Clint Eastwood in the classic western The Outlaw Josie Wales. She served as a consultant on the Disney animated feature Pocahontas and television's The X-Files. She has been on television programs such as Northern Exposure, Twin Peaks, and The Secret of Lizard Woman. She reflects the culture of her people in her work and is dedicated to telling the stories and sharing the ways of her people. Geri has toured the world with her children's show. She has been featured at the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, Smithsonian Institute, National Storytelling Festival, and Los Angeles Music Center. She has traveled to Europe and Australia and has performed in hundreds of schools, libraries, churches, and museums. She is the author of Grandmother Spider Brings The Sun and Snail Girl Brings Water, two beautifully illustrated children's books published by Rising Moon/Northland Publishing. The former will be available for sale ($10) following the performance. Sponsored by the Western Kentucky University Provost's Initiatives for Excellence, Department of Folk Studies and Anthropology, Office of Diversity Programs, and Department of Art Free and Open to the Public For more information contact Dr. Darlene Applegate, Department of Folk Studies and Anthropology 745-5094, darlene.applegate@wku.edu Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Can any of you help Ricky? I would appreciate any assistance you can give him; please write him privately, he is not a subber to these lists. Thanks! Sandi Ricky writes: Looking for any info on Louellen or Ellen Meadows and Luticia (Meadows) Burgess. Also a Armstead Burgess. Any info would be greatly appreciated. ricknsher@hotmail.com

I just obtained a birth certificate from Barren County 1918. The handwriting is very hard to read. The place of birth is given as Barren Co & the voting precints is G ---- Game? Galle? Does that ring a bell with anyone? The residence of the parents is Parr? Spring ? Does that sound familiar? Nichelle M. Hayes ******************************** Surnames Rhodes/Rodes Emmerson Hayes/Hays

Information varies from year to year, and not all years available. Primarily deaths are shown from 1852 thru 1859, 1861, 1874 through 1877, 1892, 1893, 1903, 1904 and 1907. OWEN: David H, 20 days old, s/o John W & Martha (KY-KY), 24 Feb 1876. Emma A, 48, married, d/o Joseph & S J GRINSTEAD (KY-KY), consumption, 13 July 1892. George Ann, 5, d/o James & Mary B, worms, 28 July 1852. Kisa, Black, 28, married, d/o Richard & Martha JONES (Green-unknown), consumption, 18 Mar 1877. Luther Weldon, 14 yrs, 6 mos, 5 days, s/o David & Mary, southside, typhoid, 19 July 1854. Mary B, 40, married, d/o Robert & Sarah McCLANNAHAN, liver & kidney affliction, 11 Mar 1852. No First, female, d/o James & Mary B, full term, stillborn, 24 Feb 1852. Peter, 65 yrs, 11 mos, 23 days, married, born Halifax Co VA, s/o Joseph & Priscilla, southside, pneumonia, 2 Sept 1857. Samuel, 26, single, s/o J W & Martha (KY-KY), pneumonia, 19 June 1892 Sarah H, 9 mos, d/o Hugh M & Mary W (Unknown-Boone), fever, 3 Sept 1877. Slave Barabary, 14 days, owned by Jordan Owen, southside, 12 Dec 1857. Slave Caroline, 5 mos, owned by David R Owen, southside, cold, 10 Apr 1857. Slave Henry, 47, born VA, owned by Jordan Owen, southside, dropsy, 14 Feb 1858. Slave John, 4 mos, owned by David R Owen, southside, scrofula, 10 Apr 1858. Slave Lester, 3, owned by Jordan Owen, southside, erysipilas, 15 Jan 1858. Slave Luther, 2, owned by Jordan Owen, flux, Sept 1852. Slave Minerva, 3 mos, owned by David R Owen, Dec 1853. Slave No first, 7 mos, 5 days, male, owned by Jordan Owen, southside, erysipilis, 20 Dec 1857. Slave No first, 3 days, male, owned by Jordan Owen, southside, 5 Apr 1858. Slave No first, 15 days, female, owned by Jordan Owen, southside, 30 Mar 1858. Slave No first, 8 days, female, owned by David R Owen, southside, premature, 13 Nov 1859. Slave William, 21, owned by David R Owen, southside, typhoid, 10 Mar 1858. William, 59 yrs, 29 days, married, born TN, s/o James & Rhoda, southside, 5 Aug 1858. PACE, Sarah, Mulatto, 70, widow, farmer, born Monroe Co KY, d/o Charles W & Nancy ASH (KY-KY), consumption, 20 Mar 1876. PAGE: John C, 2 yrs, 9 mos, 17 days, s/o John & Editha, southside, croup, 20 Aug 1858. Mary, 70, married, 1874. William Lewis, 4 mos, s/o John & Aditha, diarrheah, 12 Aug 1852. to be continued next week with PALMER. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

MONROE COUNTY--JOHNSON CEMETERY--HUNTS Several descendants of William G. "Billy" Hunt (ca. 1819-w.p. 1898, Barren County) and Catherine Shive Hunt have reliably confirmed that both are buried in unmarked graves in a small family cemetery at the Big Valley farm of Keith and Carol Light, in the community of Lamb, Monroe County, Kentucky. Joe Black Johnson is also buried there, also without a gravestone. This cemetery has no public name, but the Johnson family has apparently owned this farm for more than one hundred and twenty years. A family progenitor, David Johnson (1820-1883), is buried there, along with other members of this Johnson family. "Arterburn, Francis, McCue, Ward, and Wilson" are the other surnames to be found there. This cemetery was not included in Peden's Monroe County cemetery book, but has since been published (see "Kentucky Ancestors," Spring 1992, p. 224). There are 13 inscribed gravestones along with some native stone markers and an unknown number of unmarked graves. Why the Hunts are there seems a mystery to their living descendants I have talked to. Billy & Catherine Hunt's home farm was on Antioch-Tracy Road, near Antioch Church, a couple of miles away in southwest Barren County. The Johnson and Hunt families intermarried, and this could be a clue. It's also possible that the Hunt family once owned this farm. One Johnson family tradition associates the early history of this farm with the Flowers family. Joel Flowers was an early settler in the community, but doesn't appear in the Monroe County Census until 1840. Tradition also connects this farm with an early slaveholder, possibly Flowers. The surviving stone spring-house is believed to have been built by slaves, and the traditional sites of slave quarters and their burying ground have been preserved in local memory. As far as I can tell, neither of these Hunt or Johnson families ever owned slaves. David Johnson first appears in the Monroe County Census in 1860. The earliest inscribed Johnson stone in this cemetery is for a 2-year old, the daughter of J.N. Johnson, who died in 1877. The earliest inscribed stone there belongs to William Wilson, also a 2-year old, who died in 1856. Although some of the other surnames found in this cemetery may have been relatives (of the Johnsons) or tenant farmers, it seems impossible to tell whether any might represent an earlier landowner. Billy Hunt's grandfather, Jonathan Hunt, a veteran of the American Revolutionary War from Rowan County, North Carolina, was in southwest Barren County by 1810, in the vicinity of what would later become the boundary with Monroe County--around Fountain Run, Tracy, and Lamb. Billy's grandmother, Alceia Berry Hunt, apparently died early, in Kentucky. Alceia Berry Hunt could have been an early burial in this cemetery. Jonathan moved on to Morgan County, Missouri soon after 1840 to join some of his other children and died there. But Jonathan's son, John Hunt (1792-1855)--Billy's father, and his mother Martha "Patsy" Simmons Hunt (1799-1859), remained behind. Their burial sites are unknown. One possibility for John and Patsy could be the old Simmons family cemetery at Fountain Run, but they might be in Johnson Cemetery, at Lamb, especially if John's mother was there. (The Shive family cemetery is in Metcalfe County.) Perhaps someone else can help fill-in some of the missing pieces of this puzzle! Thanks, Charles R. Arterburn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Covering jacket: McElroy, James, South Carolina, S2786. 23 Aug 1832 in Allen Co, open court, James McELROY aged 73, desposed that in 1776 abt Sept1 he volunteered to fight against Indiana under Captain John GOWAN. He then lived in Spartanburg Co SC; service was about 15 months. Then he was drafted under Lt Edward HAMPTON and was at the Attack of Savannah. On many other occasions he was called to fight the Tories and the British; thnks he served about 4 years from Sept 1st 1776. Benj BAILEY, clergyman, and Walter THOMAS are neighborhood witnesses. ** Covering jacket: MERRIT/MERRITT/MERRET (spelled all 3 ways), Stephen & Dicey, North Carolina, W25693. pvt Company of Capt POWERS, 9 months service. Inscribed on KY Roll at $30 per year to begin 4 Mar 1831. Certificate of pension issued 18 Oct 1833. Bounty Land Warrant 36198-160-55. Allen Co 1 June 1833 in open court. Stephen MERRIT aged 71 deposed that he served 3 months as a private under Capt BRADLEY in 1778; 3 months under Capt POWERS 1779 & 3 months under Captain PITTS in 1780. Was born in Halifax Co NC sometime in 1762. Lived in that county when called into service. Since the war moved to Rockingham Co NC, thence to Capre Feir (Camp Fear?) NC, thence to Pendleton Co SC and then to Barren Co KY. Thence to Allen Co KY. Was drafted into services. Cites Zachariah BRIDGES, Uriah WHITNEY, John G WHITNEY, George W MANSFIELD, Flemming HAINES and John WHITNEY, Esq as neighborhood witnesses. John BROOKS, clergyman, Flemming W HAINES and George W MANSFIELD, all of Allen Co, testify as to his age and character and belief in his Rev. War service. On the same date John WHITNEY deposed that he has lived near Stephen MERRITT for 30 years; recollects his uncles who were in the Rev War saying that many years since that said Merrit served with them in the said war. 1 June 1833 in Allen Co before John WHITNEY, JP and Ann WHITNEY, aged about 75, swears on oath that she and Stephen Merrit were raised children together in Halifax Co NC and that she lived within a mile and a half of the father of Stephen where Stephen resided. She recollects Stephen being drafted and saw him leave the neighborhood to serve against the British and the Tories. On the same date and place Mrs Dicey Merritt, aged 75 adn Samuel HAINS, aged 53, testified to long acquaintance with Stephen and his wife Dicey who "according to what we have always heard and believed were married in KY in 1828 and the name of said Dicey Merritt before marriage was Dicey LEVI." 15 Aug 1855, J W FITZGERALD, DC for Samuel SWEARINGEN, CC, certifies among other things that from the records of his office a marriage license betwen the said Stephen and DIcey on 26 July 1828; license was never returned to the office according to law, yet I believe the rites of matrimony were consumated by a legally authorized minister who failed to make return of them. Dicey Merritt: Kentucky 15,464, inscribed on the roll at $30 per year to begin 3 Feb 1853. Certificate of pension issued 8 Sept 1855. ** MORRISON, HUGH, VA, S36180. Covering jacket: Kentucky 17,780. Hugh Morrison, Allen Co, Pvt VA line, 3 yrs. Inscribed on KY Roll $8.00 per month to begin 18 May 1820. Certificate of Pension issued 15 Sept 1820. Allen Co, 18 May 1820. Hugh Morrison, now in his 66th year stated on oath that he enlisted 22 Sept 1775 udner Capt John GREEN 1st VA Regt. Served 1 year. Same day of his discharge re-enlisted under Capt John WILLIS of 2nd VA Regt and served 3 years. At time of last discharge was Sergeant of the company. Same date: Wiot MITCHELL of Allen Co deposed that he well recollects Hugh Morrison enlisting in Capt John GREEN's Co as he (Mitchell) enlisted in the same company on the same day. 18 May 1820. Thomas HAWKINS of Allen Co in whose family Hugh Morrison lives, made oath that Morrison does not possess any property whatsoever. William FINNEY testified to Morrison's service undesr Capt John Willis, 2nd VA Regiment. John PULLIAM gave similar testimony. 24 Aug 1820 Morrison aged about 66 gives a schedule of his property. It shows one bed and furniture at $25; 1 cow at $10; 1 saddle at $12; and a debt to David A PORTER for $7. He resided with his daughter Sally HAWKINS and her husband Thomas, have no home of my own. Next week: Benjamin POE, Joseph SEARS and George STOVALL. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Wondering if anyone on the list knows what was the average size of land issued to the Revolutionary War heros? Thank you in advance for any information you can share. Sherry Morefield Gregg SCKY surnames of: STARR, PAYNE, PEDEN, WHITNEY, CROSS, DENHAM, ARMSTRONG, MAINES, SARTAIN, RITTER > >

It's been suggested that I also define drummer on yesterday's Barren Co post. This was not a Ringo Starr look-alike drumming in rock band (he was the drummer wasn't he?). A drummer was a traveling salesman! Have a great day gang! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

In the news 10 Apr 1958. Deaths: Joseph Mark MACKEY, 10 month old son of Bro & Mrs Murrell Mackey of T'ville died at the Monroe Co War Memorial Hospital 2 Apr; after being stricken with pneumonia on 30 Mar. He is survived by his parents; three sisters, Darla, Linda & Diane; three brothers, Jerry, Steven & David, all at home; grandparents: Mrs Lennie TRAYLOR of Glasgow and M/M Roy MACKEY of Randollph KY. Services 3 Apr at the John E Yokley Funeral Home Chapel by Bro Ross O SPEAR, burial Randolph Cemetery. Andrew DECKARD, 81, died at the War memorial Hospital 5 Apr. Farmer, member Gamalel Church of Christ, s/o the late William & Mattie NEWBERRY Deckard. Survived by children: Porter Deckard & Mrs Minnie Russell, both of Mt Vernon IN, Mrs Myrtle RUSH of Boonville IN, Dewey Deckard, Willis Deckard and Ernest Deckard, all of Gamaliel; brother, Sam of TN. Services at Gamaliel Church of Christ Monday, 7 Apr, 2 pm, burial Walnut Shade Cemtery TN, Yokley Funeral Home. Hiram THOMPSON, 76, s/o the late James & Nancy HAMMER Thompson, died Sat 5 Apr in Phoenix AZ, one month illness; native of Monroe Co, retired carpenter. Survivors: Wife, Mrs Myrtie Thompson of Louisville; two sons, James & Kenneth of Louisville; four daughters, Mrs James RICHEY of Phoenix, Mrs Elsie McDONALD of Bon Ayr KY, Mrs James HARE of Louisville and Mrs Shirley LAY of Miami FL; four sisters, Mrs Arla HARLAN, Ellen POLAND, Phoebe EMBERTON & Hassie FORD, all of T'ville; three brothers, Adam, Jesse and Elswick, all of T'ville. Services from Crowe Funeral Home in Glasgow, Friday, 11 Apr, burial BOWLES Cemetery near Glasgow. Smith Carlson COFFELT, retired carpenter and blacksmith, 80, died at his home in T'ville 8 Apr. Born Clementsville TN, s/o Wilson & Katherine MURRAY Coffey. Married to Emma SAVAGE in 1905; she died 1951. One son, Carson was killed in an airplane crash in Dec 1945. In 1954 he was married to Etta HARRISON Coffelt who survives. Also survived by two daughters, Mrs Ova HUNTER and Elva Coffelt, both of T'ville; one son, Marion of Hickory KY; two sisters, Mrs Ora MURRAY of Red Boiling Springs TN & Mrs Lula POTEET of North Springs TN. 8 grandchildren, 3 great-grandchildren. Services from the home 9 Apr by Bro M T PHEMISTER, Burial Oak Hill Cemetery, Yokley Funeral Home. Hospital News: Births: M/M Raymond H LOYD of Indianapolis IN, a boy named Waymond Earl, born 2 Apr. M/M Charles Edward BRYANT of Boles KY, girl named Violet Jean, 3 Apr. M/M Benton Curtis HURT of Burkesville KY, a girl named Anna Sue, 4 Apr. M/M Floyd Timothy TURNER of Fountain Run, a girl named Freda Sue, 4 Apr. Patients admitted: Susie ADWELL, James CAPPS, Ray CHERRY, Burl CLEARY, Virgie COPASS, Bob CORNWELL, George DYER, Carol FULLER, Sid GROVES, Alva HALE, Arthelia HODGES, Josie PENNINGTON, Nelda Sue RUSH, Dale STRONG, Ida Ann TOOLEY. Patients discharged: Flossie FORD, Willie KEY, Greene PLUMLEE, Florida Mae YOUNG, Fred NEAL, Wanda Jean CROPPER, Barbara Lois COPASS, Charles DAVIS, Willard CARTER, Charles HOLLINGSWORTH, David HATCHER, Dimple SMITH, Oscar MARTIN, Pauline HURT, Mandy Ellen McPHERSON, Orene TURNER, Mettie An SIMMONS, Lorene BRYANT, Ina Lee JOBE, Steven SPEAR, Omer Landrum DODSON Jr, Albert RICHARDS Jr, Carolyn PAGE, WIllie J SMITH Jr, Carolyn PAGE, Willie J SMITH Jr, Carolyn Sue STRODE, Attrice CRAWFORD, Bob SCOTT, Mary Alice RICH, Eva Dean STINSON, Genetta RICH, Eva Dean STINSON, Patsy REEVES, Billy HALE, Freeman NETHERTON, Jennie WAX, Mae Dean JOHNSON & Ada Mae BARKSDALE. General news: Harmony Baptist Church begins Sunday School 13 Apr; Rex HUNT, pastor. Evangelist Dudley Ross SPEARS of Cookevills TN will speak at the T'ville Church of Christ next Sunday; he the s/o of the present minister of the church. Monroe Co 4-H council thanks everyone who helped at the King & Queen contest. Houchens Markets a sponsor, F N Williams Store. Bro Rex HAGAN preaching at Poplor Log Baptist Church. Bro Oral PAGE preaching at Pleasant Hill Church of Christ. 61 Seniors leave Apr 9 for a trip to New Orleans, members of the 1958 senior class of T'ville High school. Chaperones are M/M Randal GRIDER, M/M Bratton PINCKLEY & Mrs Clarice BUSHONG. Going by train, arriving back in Bowling Green Sunday afternoon. Those going are: Betty SHIRLEY, Kathleen EVANS, Jenetta DAVIS, Wanda HAMMER, Loretta BAXTER, Doris MARRS, Mary Nell STEPHENS, Betty COE, Christeen BROWN, Athlene PRUITT, Virginia DECKARD, Betty Carol GERALDS, Shirley FORD, Gay CHAPMAN, Betty COSBY, Mary HODGES, Emma Jean ROUSE, Lavonne BROWN, Rachel TYREE, Judy WEBB, Bobbie GENTRY, Jemima GEE, Betty WHITEHEAD, Rosemary CLARKSON, Jackie McCREARY, Betty BLYTHE, Betty WELCH, Mary Alice TURNER, Dean LEAMON, Nelda MAINES, Janice CROWE, Nelda SPEARS, Faye HEAD, Inell KERR, Gene BASKETT, Elva MARTIN, Cecil GERALDS, Elmer WALLER, James CHAPMAN, Danny CARTER, Fonice BIRGE, James GRAVES, Granger CONKIN, Charles MILLER, Garlon WITTY, Morris PICKERELL Jr, Joe Earl RUSSELL, David GERALDS, George SMITH, Larry TOOLEY, Bobby WELCH, Herold WILSON, Jimmy PINCKLEY, Morris HUME, Royce EMMERT, Jimmy KESSLER, Gary MARTIN, J B EMBESRTON, Marshall HODES, Keith SHIVE & Kenneth DODSON. Egg Hunt at Bethlehem School 4 Apr - prizes went to Dorcie CLARKSON (prize egg), Lola Dean SHAW (most eggs), Clayton D CLARKSON & Hope TURNER (2nd prize), ruby CLARKSON, Carlie SHAW, Lola Dean SHAW, Richard Clarkson and Leroy SHAW (3rd prize). to be continued with another paper next week. Sandi' Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

I've had several queries for a definition or so. Growing up on the farm, I didn't question the egg candler but here is a good definition. Candling and grading The cleaned eggs are graded in a candling booth which is a dark cubical or room. A penetrating light is shined on the eggs in order to grade them. The egg processor is able to grade the egg during candling. The trained candler can see that an older egg has thinner albumen; thus, the yolk casts a sharp shadow and immediately indicates an older egg. Eggs are graded as "A" (sold for household use or at retail markets), grade "B" (used mostly for bakery operations), or grade "C" (sent to egg breakers who break the shell in order to convert it to other egg products); higher grade eggs have a thick, upstanding albumen, an oval yolk, and a clean, smooth, unbroken shell. Eggs with cracks that are not leaking are removed from the process at this point and are not packaged for household use or retail sale. Also, when I was growing up, the candler could also tell if the egg was fertilized and it was not used. Now - feather renovators. Back to the farm first. Father kills the chicken/turkey/goose/duck by wringing the neck off or cutting it off with an axe. Mother (or children) take over and defeather the poor bird. Pin feathers are singed off, Mother takes the chicken, washes it and fries it. What about the feathers? Well, in days past, feathers were collected by feather salesmen or mercantile owners and sold at a good profit, most in this area went to Louisville. Now it takes a lot of feathers to make a pound and those feathers had to be cleaned. Enter the feather renovator. He washed the feathers, likely sorted them into size or quality or from what kind of fowl and packed them up. Off they went to Louisville by wagon to the buyer. The buyer then used them to sell to pillow makers, hat makers who used the fancy feathers for the top of mylady's hats ... and mattresses. Hope that hellps! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

A good report ... One of the most intriguing Gorin's in my files is John Tilton "Big Top" Gorin. He was the son of Thompson B and Emily Runner Gorin, great-great grandson of Gladin and Nancy Hinch Gorin. He was born 25 Oct 1876 in Bowling Green KY and died 29 Mar 1940 same. The reason for the intrigue is that his nickname indicated his occupation; he was a circus promoter. I have had for many years a picture of John T out of a Bowling Green KY pictoral history, but this photo was taken in a play and he was dressed up as a woman with a big sun bonnet and dress with apron. He was looking downward and it was hard to see what he really looked like - although it was obvious that he was tall and strong jawed. Saturday, my dear friend and fellow genealogist, Martha Harrison, stopped at a yard sale in Temple Hill KY and someone there was selling a lot of old pictures. Most of them just had the first name of the individual on the back, if any, but Martha - ever looking out for her family and ours, picked up a wonderful picture, in perfect condition of a handsome tall man with a strong jaw. On the back it said Jno Gorin. She bought it for me and just dropped it off. I took one look and bingo, it's Big Top Gorin. A handsome man, the picture was taken in the early 1920's perhaps based on his attire. We have no idea of why someone in Barren Co would have his photo but I'm glad that Martha took the time to look them over! Moral of the story: Put names on your pictures and when you are at yard sales or flea markets ... look for old pictures! Thanks Martha .... Isn't genealogy great? Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

First of all - Charlie has posted the puzzler for the week. To give it a try, click on the URL in my signature line called gensoup and give it a try. The majority got last week's puzzler correct and thanks for all who tried! Now, this will again be a quiet week for me in dribs and drabs. I will be in Frankfort Saturday for a joint seminar with the Kentucky Historical Society and Kentucky Genealogical Society. I thought I would be speaking for an hour, but it will be for two hours with a lunch break. My topic will be on genealogical publishing - the how to's, how much does it cost, what does it involve, copyrights, genealogy software, taxes, etc. I found out late Saturday night that the entire presesntation will be video taped and played on local access tv and available for sale on DVD or tape by the same access channel. Oh boy ... they shouldn't have told me that! I am not using any fancy power point presentations or anything and trust that the audience can understand a transplanted Yankee in what can be a complex subject. I am really looking forward to it; it is open to the public but reservations need to be made with the KHS I think no later than the 13th. I believe they have over 75 registered now with more coming in. This will really put me to the test! So I am putting the finishing touches on my presentation now and trusting it will be interesting. Wish me well! I'll be back tomorrow with Monroe Co and wish you all a grand day. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

By 1900, Barren County was growing and many of its citizens were venturing into careers far removed from their farming roots. While farming was still the major occupation throughout Kentucky, many changes had occurred which prodded citizens to try their hand at new occupations unheard of at the formation of the county in 1799. Inventions were in abundance making the life of the 1900's easier. A 2nd work force was emerging also, that of women. While their jobs were far from glamorous by today's standards, more and more women were earning a living instead of just being listed as a housewife "keeping house." Former slaves from after the Civil War were finding different occupations also; on the earlier censuses, many were still shown as "servants" - not much more advanced from slavery. Again, their jobs were hard in most instances but they were developing into a third work force. I've been studying the 1900 Barren Co census to see what occupations had appeared as its citizens were on the doorstep of the 20th century. For a week or so, I'm going to show who was involved in what occupation; some are quite unusual. I omitted farming, the legal profession, millers, the medical profession, teachers (will cover that later), and many who worked in the saw mills or axe handle factories. The latter employed many due to the dense wooded areas in the county and the need they fulfilled. I will show the category and those involved in that occupation; some overlap depending on what the individual told the census taker. Artist: Granders D Houchens, Lizzie Pedigo Art teacher: Alice Garnett Banker: Haiden C Trigg, Sam B Davis, Samuel D Caldwell Bank teller (cashier/assistant cashier, clerk): Howe Ralston, Basil Smith, Sam T Young, Fielding Boles, Thomas Dickinson, R Floyd Smith Barber: Harry Wooten, Bill Lewis, Minor Winlock, Walter Wright, George Trimble, Charley Poindexter, George Overstreet Barn builder: Jesse Michel Basket Manufacturer: Cinda Sykes, Walker Staples Bookkeeper: John R Scott, James L Wright, May Botts, Ed L Renfro, Joe B Wood, Karl Rapp, John B McKinney Bridge architect: Enos R Davis Bridge carpenter: John W Saterfield Broom maker: Samuel R Totty, Luther Settle, William F Settle Butcher: Lucy Read, Blan Read, Eugene Read, Tom S Tucker Capitalist: John Ellis, Mar P McGee, Earnest Davis Carpet weaver: Nancy Owen, Carolina Owen Cemetery sexton: James T. Wilson Chair manufacturer: Charles Rayborn, John C Rayborn Chickenpicker: George Cooney, Jim Lee, John Lee, Will Biggerstaff China salesman: Frank D Garnett Church sexton: Louis Brents Clock repairer: Sam G Nunn Clothing salesman: Eugene Ferguson Coffee agent/salesman: Charles M. Bradley, Tom J. Carter Cooking: Allis Wade, Thomas Chase, Martial Staples, Lee McConnell (restaurant), Nancy Meek Dress maker: Lucy Scott, Fern Forde, Edna Forde, Mildred Dearing, Olivia Henderson, Amanda Dickerson, Bertha Dickerson, Mollie J Botts, Permelia Odel, Nanie Balduff, Lizzie Earnest, Lucindia Denham, Mary C. Pemberton, Mattie Eckles Lizzie Williams, Mary Williams, Oria Williams, Sallie Adams, Ransie Dickerson, Effie Clarke, Lizzie E Huffman, Minnie L Ford, Annie A Forbis, Fannie Curd, Mary S Turner, Ellen Ford, Kittie Towles, Bettie Towles, Annie Lyon, May Lyon, Ollie Leech, Lucy Maddox, Laura B Everett, Girtie Means, Birtie Means, Fanny Higginbotham Drummer: William Payne, George Martin (harness), Daniel Curd Egg candler: Joe Millus Electrician: Albert Boyd Electric light proprietor: Harvy L. Bowen Engineer: John H Belomy (Bellamy), Marshall P Morton, Trigg Martin, Henry White, Patrick J Moran Express agent: Bartlett Dickerson, Brent Dickerson Feather renovator: Harlie B Carter Fence builder: Raughty Stovall Ferlilizer salesman: Olander C Pace Fireman: Joseph P Bybee Fire insurance agent: John Dearing, Lee Cook, Lawrence Rousseau (and life) Fishing: Robert T Hudson Fish salesman: Harry Forde Flatman: Emile Boucher Flour maker: Bart Vaughan to be continued next week. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Reminder . . . The Autumn Work Day to clean the Bradley Cemetery near Sparta, White Co., TN will be this coming Saturday, Oct. 14th, starting at 9 AM. We should be through by early afternoon. Wear work clothes. Bring work gloves, drinking water, and snacks if you need them. Also bring tools if you have them. Come anyway if you do not have tools and we'll find some for you to use. Bring your cousins, neighbors, friends if they want to help! This is the final resting place of William BUTRAM, II, and the Richard BRADLEY family. There is also a memorial marker for Henry MARSH. William Butram and Henry Marsh both fought in the Revolutionary War. They were friends and neighbors in Wayne Co., KY, before migrating to White Co., TN in their last years. Please contact me directly if you need more information, directions, or an address where you can send a monetary contribution toward cemetery maintenance. Thank you! Hope to see you Saturday! Anna Bertram

Seeking information on John Andrew M. Yates, b. 12-7-1856 in Adair County, KY, son of James Gaines Yates and Rebecca McLister. I am trying to find his date of death. He was alive in the 1880 Census and listed as 23 years old in his parents home. The last known entry I can find him alive. I cannot locate him after that, except a notation that he is buried in Yates Cemetery in Adair County, KY with no date of death. I cannot find him in the 1900 census or any record after that. His date of death is very important in determining whether he is a possible relative. Any help greatly appreciated. Mark

Information varies from year to year. NEWCOMER, William Henry: 4 yrs, 9 mos, 17 days, s/o Jacob & Peggy, born Wythe Co VA, southside, croup, 17 Oct 1854. NEWMAN, Elizabeth, 54, married, born Nelson Co KY, d/o Owen & Nancy ELLIS (MD-MD), flux, 20 July 1874. NEWTON, Lewis, 56, single, born Hardin Co, s/o Rubin & Mary G (KY-NC), apoplexy, 10 July 1877. NICHOLS, M M, 76, female, married, d/o S & J S ____ (VA-VA),, 22 Feb 1892. NIXON, Eliza J, 38, single, d/o Allen J & T FLETCH (NC-VA), neuralgia, 31 Aug 1874. NUNN: David G, 10 days, s/o James & Elmira, northside, croup, 30 Aug 1858. Martha F, 75, married, born Taylor Co, resided Elmer?, d/o Iverson & Betsia BOWMAN/BOWEN, (Green-Taylor), heart failure, 26 Feb 18_7 (1857?) Nancy E, 6 mos born Green Co KY, d/o Rubin H & Ruth F (Barren-Green), infant cholera, 19 Dec 1877. Virginia L, 18, d/o William & Frances, scrofula, 1852. NUNNALLEE, Daniel, 38, married, born Halifax Co VA, mother was Juda, typhoid, 5 Sept 1852. OBANNION, No First, twins - both 3 days old, one male, sex on other not shown, children of Isaac & Rebecca, southside, premature, 9 Apr 1856. OBARR: A___, unreadable age & sex, c/o Silvester & Elizabeth, northside, flux, 17 Sept 1854. Josephine, 8, born TN, d/o Elias & Lucinda, northside, flux, 28 Sept 1854. Margaret A, 4 mos, d/o Elias & Lucinda, northside, flux, 4 Oct 1854. Mary E, 3, born TN, d/o Elias & Lucinda, northside, flux, 28 Sept 1854. OLDHAM: Charles M, 1 yr, 2 mos, northside, s/o Caleb & Sarah M (Grayson-Hart), croup, 1 Nov 1861. Lizzie, 18, single, d/o K & Mary (KY-KY), 28 Sept 1907. No First, 18 days, male, s/o Thomas & F A (IN-KY), thrush, 24 May 1874. ORENDER, No First, 6 days, male, s/o H G & Sarah M, northside, fullterm, 15 Mar 1858. ORENDER, No First, 25 days, male, s/o same, fullterm, 1 Apr1858. OVERFELT, Amanda T, 14 mos, d/o William & J G (KY-KY), pneumonia, 4 Aug 1874. To be continued next week with OWEN(S). Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Covering jacket: Michael HATLER, VA, S31117. Allen Co. Pvt, Company Ensign, regiment of Col CAMPBELL, VA Line, 6 months, 14 days. Inscribed on KY Roll at $21.55 per yr to being 4 March 1831. Certificate of Pension issued 15 July 1833. Allen Co Ky Court 17 Sept 1832. Michael Hatler, age 82, deposed that he enlisted in 1778 in Culpeper Co VA as a substitute for John NORMAN at the residence of his father, Sebastian HATLER, with Ensign Richard HICKMAN's militia company. He was later drafted after which he served 3 months; then moved with his father to the neighborhood of Abington in southwest VA. He was born 1760 in MD near Baltimore. Philip HATLER of Allen Co, brother of Michael,confirms the several tours sworn to the above declaration. Zadock B THACKSTON and Peyton WELCH, clergymen, certify as to his age and character. ** Cover jacket: George HEETER, MD S16410. Allen Co, Pvt Co of Capt SPIEGER, Regt of Col GRIFFITH in MD Line, 6 1/2 months served. Inscribed on KY Roll at $21.65 per yr to begin 4 Mar 1831. Certificate of pension issued 18 Feb 1843. Allen Co KY 15 Oct 1832. George Heeter, age 80, deposed that he enlisted as a volunteer under Capt. SPIEGER in Frederick Co MD in 1776. This was in Gen. BELL's Brigade and part of the "Flying Camp"; was in the Battle of White Plains. Was born in Fredreick Co MD in 1751. Since the war he has lived in Montgomery Co MD and from there came to Allen Co KY. Zadock B THACKSTON, clergyman and Denton PORTER and Wm STRAIGHT are neighborhood witnesses. ** Covering jacket: Wilson MOORE, VA, S31262. KY. Allen Co, Pvt, Company of Capt WINN, Regt of Col MASON in VA line for 1 yr and 11 months. Inscribed on KY Roll at $76.66 per year to begin 4 Mar 1831. Certificate of Pension issued 15 July 1883. Allen Co 20 Nov 1832. In open court, Wilson Moore, aged about 74, deposed that he entered the militia from Lunenberg Co VA in Capt Joseph WINN's Co about Mar 1776. Four years later he served again in the company of Capt Wm RAGSDALE. Between these two services, he served as substitute for Thomas OLDHAM. He was 16 yrs old when entering the service. Was in the Battle of Jamestown. Payton WELSH, clergyman, and Johnson J COCKERVILLE are neighborhood witnesses. Allen Co 20 Nov 1832 John WRIGHT deposed that he knew Welsh Moore as a boy in Lunenberg (spelled various ways) Co VA and knew him to join the army; he can't specify the services of Moore but knew he was out a good long time. Warren Co KY 25 Nov 1832 before Justice Samuel MONTRESS, Sally TILLY,. aged from appearance about 75-80 years old. She deposed that Wilson Moore was absent from home 9 to 10 months or more for he was gone a good long time; she understood that he was gone to serve a tour of service in the Revolutionary War. Treasury Dept 6 Dec 1838 under Act of 6 Apr 1838 authorizing payment to the children of Wilson Moore, a pensioneer at $76.66 per annum under the law of 7 June 1832, have been paid at this Department from 4 Sept 1837 to 21 Dec 1837, the day of his death. /a/ Albin K. PARIS, Comptroller. ** Next week: James McELROY, Stephen & Dicey MERRIT and Hugh MORRISON. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/