Thought I'd toss this in, this event is well covered in Glasgow. The Lexington (KY) Herald, Jan 23, 1906, p. 3. "Fire Destroys Four Stores At Glasgow At Early Hour Yesterday. Glasgow, Ky., Jan 22. - Glasgow suffered a $100,000 fire this morning. Four buildings on South Green street were burned. The fire originated in the rear of E. A. HEISER's meat and grocery store, and was discovered shortly after 1 o'clock by C. L. WING, who had sleeping quarters in the building. The fire had gained such headway that it was impossible to save the building or any of its contents. The store of BRADFORD Bros., on the south side, and the Odd Fellow's buiding, on the north, occupied by GOAD Bros. as a grocery, then caught fire. As usual, water was scarce and the firemen were handicapped. "The losses are about as follows: E. A. HEISER, stock of goods and fixtures, $1,600; building owned by B. F. BRADFORD, $4,500; C. L. WING, household goods, $300; BRADFORD Bros., stock of goods and building, $50,000; GOAD Bros, stock of goods, $2,200; Masonic Hall, $14,000; Barren County Grocery and Hardward Company stock of goods, $15,000; building owned by J. P. DEPP, $8,500; the Witness, published by J. P. BROOKS [he was a Baptist minister], $700; law office of H. C. GORIN, library and furniture, $1,000. "The origin of the fire is unknown. Some think spontaneous combustion was the cause, but the majority are of the opinion that it was the work of an incendiary. HEISER, in whose store the blaze started, states there had been no fire there since Friday." There were other fires on South Green Street over the years. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Good morning! Isn't it hard trying to adjust to the time change in America (except part of IN and AZ!) ... Charlie has posted the puzzler for this week; we broke all records last week; only 2 people responded! This is something that you as a researcher need to know as it will help you not only place your ancestor's land a little better but might be an indication if he had Revolutionary War service. To try this week's puzzler, click on the URL in my signature line called gensoup and give it a try. I'm trying to encourage you to learn to look for the answers if you don't know them "off the top of your head". There are a lot of resources on the web and in various books where you can look for 99% of these puzzlers. Just a reminder that this Sat is the Green Co Book Fair. Since I didn't hold a fair here in Glasgow this year, I'm encouraging you to come on over to beautiful and historic Green Co for their fair. Below is a partial list of some of the people who will be in attendance there; it's always a fun time and a chance to meet people from the counties that you are researching. Please note that the time shown is central, not eastern time. I will be bringing about 50 titles plus I'm cleaning out my bookcases (they're overtaking the house) and bringing over some used books too. I hope to meet you there! Martha Harrison's new cemetery book will be available (limited copies) as will my new cemetery book (limited copies). Here is the information - and remember, others will likely be there. The book fair is November 4, 8:30 to 3:00 CST at the Green County Fire and Rescue Bldg on East Hodgenville Ave, one block off Main St behind the Baptist Church; turn between the church and PBI Bank. 1. Ancestral Trails Historical Society 2. Barbara Wright - Green County 3. Green County Genealogical Society 4. Colleen Olson from Mammoth Cave 5. McDowell Publishing 6. Larue Co. Genealogy Soc. 7. Michael Watson 8. Kentucky Historical Soc (set up by Mike Watson) 9. Debbie Gilpin - Green and Taylor Co. 10. Joseph DeSpain - Green Co. 11. Adair Co. Genealogical Soc. 12. Sandi Gorin Publications 13. Green County Public Library Have a great day and I'll see you tomorrow with newspaper tidbits from Monroe Co. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

In English law, there was a criminal court held before two or more justices of the peace, who met every quarter of the year. This Court of Quarter Sessions was continued in America and also in Kentucky. When Barren Co was formed, the court was served here by Judge WAKEFIELD, Caleb WALLACE, Christopher TOMPKINS, John HALL, Michael HALL and John GARNETT. The Court was abolished and individual judges then served on a court whose jurisdiction closely paralleled the present Circuit Court. In "Times of Long Ago", Franklin GORIN stated on p. 4 "Judge WAKEFIELD presided over the Circuit and Quarter Sessions Courts; John HALL and John GARNETT were associate judges of the same courts. Richard GARNETT was elected clerk of the above courts." Again, on page 54 he stated: "The judges of the first district and Quarter Sessions Courts were (same as above). Whether WAKEFIELD resigned or remained in office until the Circuit Courts were established, December 24, 1802, we do not know, for the records of the courts have been lost or misland, and there are no other means of ascertaining." Well - back about 10 years ago, I solved Franklin Gorin's question. I found the book, one of the happiest finds I could ask for. I'm sure it had been found over the years and then lost again (Gorin wrote this in 1870), but the thin book had slipped down between 2 filing cabinets in the County Clerk's office which likely hadn't been moved for many years. After photocopying the entire book (with permission), the County Clerk (the late Wilmer HODGES) and I presented the book to the Circuit Clerk (at the time Nancy BOTTS). For a little while I'd like to abstract from this book as it contains some of the earliest records of our county and might contain some names that don't appear in other records. The court met at the house of John McFERRAN on 25 June 1799 for its first session; he and John HALL, John GARNETT and Abel HENNON took their oaths of office - and pledged fidelity to the US government and the State of Kentucky. Richard GARNETT presented a Certificate from the KY Court of Appeals listing his qualifications and he was appointed Clerk; took his oath. James H RICE & Havilah CRUMP were already licensed to practice law in the Commownealth; they took their oath and were admitted to practice in Barren Co. A jury was empanneled consisting of William NEVILL (foreman), John MATTHEWS, William MARTIN, Thomas SMITH, Leonard HALL, Abner BROWN, Robt BRINTON, Robt STOCKTON, Francis LATTIMORE, James FORBIS, Edward YOUNG, James NEVILL, James GALLOWAY, John MURPHY, William ANDERSON, John MOSS, Hugh SMITH, Thomas SHIRLEY, Alexander EDWARDS, John SANDERS. After being sworn in as a grand jury, they received their "charge" and withdrew to reach a decision. They returned later into court and presented Jas SANDERS, William FISHER and John SNELL charges against them for profanity, swearing by God. SNELL had sworn twice and the other men, once. Thus the very first case held before Quarter Sessions was one of swearing! The jury was discharged and the judges continued with their docket. The 2nd case was William MARTIN vs John BUTLER. No reason for the case was given (remember, this is rather a minute book with not the full case shown); this case was dismissed entirely and the plaintiff had to pay charges. The 3rd case involved a deed from Henry VOWLES and his wife Mary to Jas DODD which was certified. Thus ended the first meeting in Barren Co of the Court of Quarter Sessions. They would meet again in September 1799 which saw a lot more cases. To be continued with these cases next week. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

John (the Ranger) TALIAFERRO and Sarah SMITH were my 8ggrandparents through their son Capt. Richard TALIAFERRO m. Rose Ann BERRYMAN. Their daughter, Beheathland TALIAFERRO (named in honor of Robert Beheathland, gentleman, who accompanied John Smith to Jamestown, and had no male heirs) m. James L. STEVENS. James and Beheathland's son, John Griffin STEVENS, m. Sally TURNER (1776-1845 of VA). Their daughter Mildred Ann STEVENS m. James Thomas MERRY who moved from Fayette Co., KY to Hart Co., KY. Their daughter Beheatherland MERRY m. Robert Francis RICHARDSON, my 3ggrandparents. Judy Lawler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R. Arterburn" <crart02@yahoo.com> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: [SCKY] Monroe County--William & Joseph Turner > TALIAFERRO/TOLIVER connection: > > > WILLIAM (ca 1788 VA-1864 KY) and FRANCES ____ TURNER > named their youngest son, WILLIAM T. TURNER > (1824-before 1864), presumably for his father. > > WILLIAM'S first-born son, JOHN A. TURNER, named his > first-born WILLIAM T. "Toll" TURNER (1830-1914), also, > probably for his grandfather. Since the 1850 Census > gives the latter's name as "TOLIVER TURNER," it seems > likely that both WILLIAM T.'s shared this middle name, > especially since there were no other TOLIVERS about. > It may even be the case that progenitor WILLIAM > TURNER'S middle name was the same, although there is > no definitive evidence for it that I've seen. > > TOLIVER was probably an ancestral name for this TURNER > family--a later form of early TALIAFERRO, from VA. In > fact, the TALIAFERRO/TOLIVER DNA Project and published > family trees indicate the name change. > > There was a link between a TURNER family and the > TALIAFERROs in early VA, and this may eventually prove > helpful in tracking down the roots of the Buckingham > TURNERS who came to Monroe County. > > I've included some excerpts from a family publication. > It's no longer published, but back issues can be > viewed online: > > http://www.spingola.com/TaliaferroTimes/TT.htm > > --------------------- > > TALIAFERRO TIMES > Volume I, December 11, 1996 > Issue 6 > > Richard Talliferro's mother-in-law Martha Wingfield > came for a visit in 1709 and traveled on to Boston, > with many large trunks, to die there on 23 Jul 1709. > Her Will left all her property, located in the > Bermudas, Bahamas, Boston and Virginia to her daughter > Sarah Taliaferro. Richard died in 1715, his wife in > 1718, and his only son in 1721, leaving all the > property to their remaining 3 daughters, the oldest > being married in 1714 to THOMAS TURNER SR. c1690-1758. > She (Martha) died in 1726 and he remarried to her > sister Sarah Taliaferro as his second wife. > > TURNER became one of the wealthiest people on either > side of the Rapphannock in a very short time, buying > up land in Richmond, King George, Caroline, > Spotsylvania, etc. He had a descendant in the 1960s > still living there, descended from TOM TURNER SR and > both his Taliaferro wives. > > ------------------ > > TALIAFERRO TIMES > Volume I, January 28, 1998 > Issue No. 36 > > The best account of the Taliaferro family is by Henry > G. Taliaferro of New York and found in The Virginia > Genealogist v. 38, pp 163-189. It is entitled "Who was > Catherine, the wife of Col. Cadwallader Jones of > Virginia" and is meticulously documented. Robert > Taliaferro and Catherine Debnam were parents of six > children: Francis, John, Robert, Richard, Charles > and Catherine. > > Charles Taliaferro was born about 1670 and died before > 13 Jun 1735. His will may be found in the Grinnan > Papers, Virginia Historical Society under "Caroline Co > Wills derived from Court Records". The will mentions > his wife Mary and his grand-daughters Mary, Sarah and > Catherine. His only child, Charles Taliaferro Jr., > predeceased his father. He married his cousin, Sarah > Thornton, daughter of Col. Francis Thornton and Mary > Taliaferro, daughter of John the Ranger d. 1719 and > Sarah Smith. Sarah Thornton Taliaferro married, > second, to Thomas Slaughter. Granddaughter Mary > Taliaferro (ca 1725-after 1781) married her cousin > THOMAS TURNER JR., a grandson of Richard Taliaferro > (see following) and, second, to a Thornton. > Granddaughter Sarah Taliaferro (1727-1784) married > Francis Conway (1722-1761). Granddaughter Catherine > left no records except the possible mention of her > death in the Caroline County Court Order Books in > 1776. See Nugent's "Cavaliers & Pioneers" for a record > of Charles Taliaferro's land transactions. > > Richard Taliaferro died intestate in 1715 in Richmond > County VA. He married about 1694 to Sarah Wingfield > who died in 1718, the only child was Martha Wingfield > who died testate in Boston MA in 1710 while a > transient. Richard and Sarah were parents of four > children: Richard Jr born about 1700 and died without > issue in 1721; Martha Taliaferro married THOMAS TURNER > SR. about 1714; Sarah Taliaferro married THOMAS TURNER > SR. about 1728 after her sister Martha died; Catherine > Taliaferro 1706-1731 married Col. Rice Hooe and they > had one child who died without issue. See George H S > King's "Marriages of Richmond County" p 203 and the > chart on page 266 for descendants of this line down to > 1960. > > best wishes, > Charles R. Arterburn > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates > (http://voice.yahoo.com) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To the list members: Does anyone have information about the parents/family of this Hannah, b. 1800, dtr of James & Nancy WATKINS? I am looking for the identity of any of these James WATKINS: Nelson Co (tax lists 1785-1793) Hardin Co (tax list 1800) Washington Co (tax list 1800, census 1810) Grayson, Green, & Hardin Cos (census 1810) Hart Co (tax list 1819) Thanks for whatever help you can give me or post to the list. Lu Watkins (researching WATKINS in early Kentucky & Illinois) On Jun 1, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Sandi Gorin wrote: > GARDNER: > Hannah, 54 yrs, 8 mos, 4 days, married, born Hardin Co, d/o James & > Nancy > WATKINS, > southside, remittant fever, 30 Sep 1854. (Remittant fever was > malaria).

TALIAFERRO/TOLIVER connection: WILLIAM (ca 1788 VA-1864 KY) and FRANCES ____ TURNER named their youngest son, WILLIAM T. TURNER (1824-before 1864), presumably for his father. WILLIAM'S first-born son, JOHN A. TURNER, named his first-born WILLIAM T. "Toll" TURNER (1830-1914), also, probably for his grandfather. Since the 1850 Census gives the latter's name as "TOLIVER TURNER," it seems likely that both WILLIAM T.'s shared this middle name, especially since there were no other TOLIVERS about. It may even be the case that progenitor WILLIAM TURNER'S middle name was the same, although there is no definitive evidence for it that I've seen. TOLIVER was probably an ancestral name for this TURNER family--a later form of early TALIAFERRO, from VA. In fact, the TALIAFERRO/TOLIVER DNA Project and published family trees indicate the name change. There was a link between a TURNER family and the TALIAFERROs in early VA, and this may eventually prove helpful in tracking down the roots of the Buckingham TURNERS who came to Monroe County. I've included some excerpts from a family publication. It's no longer published, but back issues can be viewed online: http://www.spingola.com/TaliaferroTimes/TT.htm --------------------- TALIAFERRO TIMES Volume I, December 11, 1996 Issue 6 Richard Talliferro's mother-in-law Martha Wingfield came for a visit in 1709 and traveled on to Boston, with many large trunks, to die there on 23 Jul 1709. Her Will left all her property, located in the Bermudas, Bahamas, Boston and Virginia to her daughter Sarah Taliaferro. Richard died in 1715, his wife in 1718, and his only son in 1721, leaving all the property to their remaining 3 daughters, the oldest being married in 1714 to THOMAS TURNER SR. c1690-1758. She (Martha) died in 1726 and he remarried to her sister Sarah Taliaferro as his second wife. TURNER became one of the wealthiest people on either side of the Rapphannock in a very short time, buying up land in Richmond, King George, Caroline, Spotsylvania, etc. He had a descendant in the 1960s still living there, descended from TOM TURNER SR and both his Taliaferro wives. ------------------ TALIAFERRO TIMES Volume I, January 28, 1998 Issue No. 36 The best account of the Taliaferro family is by Henry G. Taliaferro of New York and found in The Virginia Genealogist v. 38, pp 163-189. It is entitled "Who was Catherine, the wife of Col. Cadwallader Jones of Virginia" and is meticulously documented. Robert Taliaferro and Catherine Debnam were parents of six children: Francis, John, Robert, Richard, Charles and Catherine. Charles Taliaferro was born about 1670 and died before 13 Jun 1735. His will may be found in the Grinnan Papers, Virginia Historical Society under "Caroline Co Wills derived from Court Records". The will mentions his wife Mary and his grand-daughters Mary, Sarah and Catherine. His only child, Charles Taliaferro Jr., predeceased his father. He married his cousin, Sarah Thornton, daughter of Col. Francis Thornton and Mary Taliaferro, daughter of John the Ranger d. 1719 and Sarah Smith. Sarah Thornton Taliaferro married, second, to Thomas Slaughter. Granddaughter Mary Taliaferro (ca 1725-after 1781) married her cousin THOMAS TURNER JR., a grandson of Richard Taliaferro (see following) and, second, to a Thornton. Granddaughter Sarah Taliaferro (1727-1784) married Francis Conway (1722-1761). Granddaughter Catherine left no records except the possible mention of her death in the Caroline County Court Order Books in 1776. See Nugent's "Cavaliers & Pioneers" for a record of Charles Taliaferro's land transactions. Richard Taliaferro died intestate in 1715 in Richmond County VA. He married about 1694 to Sarah Wingfield who died in 1718, the only child was Martha Wingfield who died testate in Boston MA in 1710 while a transient. Richard and Sarah were parents of four children: Richard Jr born about 1700 and died without issue in 1721; Martha Taliaferro married THOMAS TURNER SR. about 1714; Sarah Taliaferro married THOMAS TURNER SR. about 1728 after her sister Martha died; Catherine Taliaferro 1706-1731 married Col. Rice Hooe and they had one child who died without issue. See George H S King's "Marriages of Richmond County" p 203 and the chart on page 266 for descendants of this line down to 1960. best wishes, Charles R. Arterburn ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)

Recently I posted a query about the name of the murderer of one William Johnson of Park KY 22 Apr 1875. I have just learned the name of the murderer who was referred to as "Old Man Burk" who shot William Johnson on the steps of the Park Store. He either died there or after being taken across the street to his home. I have been searching to whom this designation above belonged to - who was "Old Man Burk"? - Birk, Birks, Burk, Burks. Also seeking information on what happened to him - was he caught, did he serve time and what happened to him later? I cannot find him yet in any census; he possibly was not from this area. No mention is made in the Glasgow papers it seems and the store is/was in Barren Co (this area is close to all three counties). If anyone has any information, please drop me a line. Thanks, Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

What dates would these include? I've been searching for years for two deaths in Warren County with no luck. The deaths occured between 1874 and 1890. I would love to think that maybe I could find them in another county. Bobbie

Thanks to all for the positive feedback off-list about recent postings here on WILLIAM & JOSEPH TURNER'S Buckingham County, VA roots. When I first discovered this about 12 years ago, there were fewer resources available and less interest then than now. Now there seems to be far more interest in these Monroe County TURNER families, and many competent and determined researchers out there. The hardest part may yet lie ahead: Tracing and sorting out NICHOLAS TURNER'S line in VA and beyond. The many apparent branches of VA TURNERS probably do share some common ancestors. Early paper trails in VA are sometimes hard to find, though, and DNA analysis may ultimately prove helpful. If anyone is interested in helping out with a DNA analysis, email me off-list, please, and we can discuss it further. Thanks, Charles R. Arterburn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Just a closing note for today as I usually don't post on Fridays. You might remember that I recently finished and published a book on the unrecorded burials in the city cemeteries, cremations, buried out of county, etc which covered thousands of unrecorded burials not shown in the historical society's cemetery book. And, I mentioned that Martha Harrison was soon to be publishing a like book on the county cemeteries. Martha brought over a copy of her new book last week or so and it's great! She, like I have deaths back into the late 1800's up thru March or Apr of this year and spent 14 years tracking down these cemeteries. She used as sources as I did, old newspapers, death certificates, etc. Additionally, Martha traveled hundreds of miles trying to locate some of these old cemeteries that haven't been recorded. Her book is marvelous! She also has information from DAR records, personal research, books, scrapbooks, letters, and source county records. Each cemetery is named with directions (many no longer in existence), with full information as to births and deaths, spouses or parents when found, some biographical. She also has a section with corrections on the published cemetery book. There are literally hundreds of "new" cemeteries in the book which is done in alphabetical order by cemetery name and has a full name index. There are also pictures of some of the stones or cemetery. The book, including index is 319 pages and is bound in a spiral notebook style. If you've lost family here in Barren Co and couldn't find them in the historical society cemetery book - they just might be here! I seldom plug books on the list as you know but these cemetery books will go a long way in documenting those family cemeteries and deaths that have never been in print before. I compliment Martha for a long-time dedication to doing this; I know how how she worked!!! If you have any interest, you can contact Martha at MartyP@scrtc.com to ask any question (other than look-ups really) about cost, etc. It is a good investment believe me; I know the quality of Martha's work! If you are in the area on Nov. 4 (Sat), I will be at the Green Co book fair in Greensburg and will have copies of Martha's cemetery book and mine. See you all on Monday ... Sandi

Does anyone know whether WILLIAM HOWARD, who performed so many early marriages in Monroe County, was a minister or justice of the peace? Baptist or Methodist? Might this WILLIAM HOWARD have been the same one who settled on East Fork Creek, reputedly built the "Old Brick" house, and subsequently freed his slaves (1846)? thanks, Charles R. Arterburn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

PEPPER: James, 44, married, s/o Joseph & Sarah, consumption, Oct 1852. Sarah A, 9 mos, d/o Joseph & M (Green-Larue), consumption, 22 July 1877. PERKINS: Crittie M, 9 mos, female, d/o John H & Evaline (Hart-Hart), flux, 24 Sept 1877. John, 75, married, d/o John & Judith, fever, 13 Nov 1853. Mary, 45, married, born VA d/o Dugal? & Lucy HICKS, consumption, 2 Nov 1852. Mary, 26, single, born Green Co KY, d/o Pleasant & Mary (Orange Co VA-Green Co), consumption, 7 Feb 1875. Nancy, 40, married, born Green Co, consumption, 13 May 1876. Perlina, 21, married, d/o Levi Perkins, (Hart-Hart), consumption, 30 May 1875. (A Perkins marrying a Perkins?) Rebecca W, 47, married, born VA, d/o John & Martha EDWARDS consumption, 12 Oct 1852 Slave Margaret, 18, owned by Hardin Perkins, southside, consumption, 6 June 1859. PERRY: Harriett, 6, widow's dau, d/o William D & Harriett, flux, 14 July 1852 Isom, 46 yrs, 2 mos, 21 days, married, s/o William J, consumption, 24 Mar 1855 James Walton, 1, d/o William D & Harriett, flux, 16 July 1852 John, Black, 54, married, born VA, pneumonia, 4 Feb 1875. Mary Elizabeth, 12, d/o P E & Susannah, flux, 6 Aug 1853. Nancy, 42, married, born TN, dropsy, 6 Nov 1875 Oliver H, 3 yrs, 3 mos, s/o P E & Susannah, flux, 13 Aug 1853 Phillip C, 18, single, s/o Commodore & Susan (Hart-Green), brain fever, 18 May 1876. Richard R, 3, s/o William R & Hulda L Ann, flux, 5 Sept 1853. Robert Wesley, 8 mos, s/o P E & Susannah, flux, 13 Aug 1853. W M, 4 days, male, s/o J J & N F, northside, 22 Nov 1859 PHILLIPS: Mary E, 23 yrs, 9 mos, 8 days born Green Co, d/o Neal & E BROWN, consumption, 8 July 1855. Mary H, 62, married, born Green Co, d/o Fred & Mary MOSS (KY-KY), consumption, 13 Nov 1874. Mollie (last name written PHILOPS), 6 weeks, d/o G M & M J (Hart-Anderson), 18 Dec 1904 No First, 5 mos, female, d/o Ford K& Sophia C (Hart-Hart), 1 Feb 1877 PHILPOT, No First, 2 days, male, s/o Lewis & Sarah (KY-KY), unknown, 8 Feb 1876. to be continued next week with POINTER/POYNTER. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Allen Co 24 Nov 1832 in open court. Daniel PITCHFORD, age 71, stated that he was drafted Mar 1779 in Chesterfield Co VA into the militia in Capt GILL's Co. Next served as a waggoner. Then moved to Mecklenberg Co VA. In Feb 1781 served in Capt SMITH's Co. Was in the Battle of Guiliford. Then moved to Lunenberg Co VA. Drafted in the fall of 1781 to serve under Capt Joseph GEETER but became disabled by rheumatism and was discharged within 10 days. Moved after the war to Granvillle NC, then to Pendleton Co SC and finally to Allen Co KY. Born in Chesterfield Co 25 July 1761. Eli, borther of Daniel deposed that about 1779 he lived with his father, Wm, in Amelia Co VA and Daniel lived with their uncle Jesse STILES in Chesterfield Co VA. He well remembers his father having to go and fight the British and that his father tried to get Daniel to go in his place but Daniel had to go in his own place. He well remembers Daniel's return after the Battle of Guiford "much debillitated for sickness." Zadock B THACKSTON, clergyman, Daniel A PORTER, Robert H PARIS and Joseph PULLIAM are neighborhood witnesses. It appears part of this file is missing and there is no notation about him being put on the rolls, the covering jacket belonged to a Samuel SMITH. ** Covering jacket: John RICHEY, Private, VA Line, 1 year from Feb 1776. Inscribed on KY Roll at $8 per month to begin 19 July 1825. Certificate of pension issued 4 Apr 1826. Allen Co 17 Aug 1818. John RICHEY swears on oath that he enlisted in Capt Thomas HUDGIN's Company of Regulars as private 6th VA Regt in Feb 1776 and served until Feb 1777. Sworn to befor Christopehr TOMPKINS, Judge of CC. 9 Dec 1820. Allen Co. Sally RICHIE deposed that in 1776 she was well acquinted with John and lived near him and knows that he enlisted and was gone from the neighborhood about one year during which time she always understood him to be in the army. Enclosed was a schedule of the property owned by John Richey: Title bond for about 125 acres of land in Allen Co, $200 7 heads of cattle, $46 15 head of hogs, $25 1 calf, $30 Household furniture, $30 Farming utensils, $10 Total: $336.00 Family consisted of wife, aged about 54; five daughters, one about 25, the remaining 4 from 12 to 18; one son, age 10 and himself age 64. Declaration 21 June 1824 when he was then abt 67 shows a new property schedule: 100 acres of very poor 3rd rate land, $100 1 horse, $40 5 cows, 2 calves, 2 yearlings, $15 2 sows and 9 pigs, $10 Sheep, $8 Total $173.00 He stated he could do but little work; then had 9 children and 2 grandchildren living with him; all the children are girls except one small boy under the age of 4. On 20 June 1825 he testified that he has no deed or patent or title whatsoever to the land on which he lives. To be continued next week with Walter & Osee TIFFANY and Jarret & Elizabeth WRIGHT. Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Pam Hodges Browning, Barren County Court Clerk, is in the process of displaying photos of the past Clerks of Barren County, Kentucky. Many of the photos are displayed and can be viewed at the Barren County Court Clerk's Office. She is still searching for photos on the following: William Logan - Clerk 1799-1836 T. J. Helm - Clerk 1836-1851 Travis Cockril - Clerk 1851-1862 W. W. Franklin - Clerk 1876-1882 N. D. Terry - Clerk 1895-1906 H. D. Ralston - Clerk 1918-1922 If you know of living descendants of any of these individuals or anyone that we can contact please let me know. Wayne Davis 270-651-2191 (days) 270-629-3080 (evenings)

10 Mar 1960: (Thursday) Governor proclaims state of emergency as snow breaks record. Monroe Co has deepest snow in 30 years as all schools close. More snow predicted. Gov. Bert COMBS declared the emergency in KY early Wed as the entire state was paralyzed by the heaviest snow in 30 years. It varied from 6 inches in some localities to a crushing 21 inches in Bowling Green. Monroe Co received 12 inches. Most states in the school were closed Thursday; likely not to re-open until Monday. Monroe Co schools were closed for the 9th day this year due to weather; most businesses in T'ville were closed, some open with just a skeleton crew. Mail carriers were unable to reach Glasgow Wed, couldn't deliver. Two weeks ago service in the entire area was knocked out by ice on power lines but T'ville wasn't effected badly. Part of the town was without power for 1 1/2 hours when the power line between T'ville and the River Road Substation burned out. The hospital was without power for the entire period but an emergency generator furnished light & head to the nursery and emergency room as well as ER. Bowling Green was crippled that it made national news. All major highways from B. Green had limited traffic; the rest impassable. The L&N sent a relief train from Louisville Wed to pick up 270 Western students stranded at Munfordville including Jack McCLENDON of T'ville - coming back from a basketball game - busses stalled at Upton and the students spent the night on the busses. They finally reached Munfordville and were cared for by local members of the Baptist church. This is the first time since 1937 that the L&N dispatached an emergency train. Mrs. Flora Redford WEST, 76, former resident of T'ville died at a Lexington hospital 28 Feb 1960 following an illness of 4 weeks. Services were held at a Lexington funeral home Mar 1; burial Nicholasville KY. Surived by husband, Howard. Mrs L K YOKLEY and Mrs Carl SHEFFIELD of T'ville attended the services. Mrs. Mary E WHITE died at age 82 at her home in Old Temple Hill community 4 March 1960 following a lengthy illness. D/o the late John Lee and Susan GETTINGS LEE. Her husband, Thomas Claudie White survives; also two sons - Omar L and Ansil White both of Monroe Co; a brother, Benton GETTINGS of Route 2; 2 sisters - Mrs Lucy PETETT of Route 5 and Mrs Hattie MURLEY of Fountain Run; nine grandchildren, one great-grandchild. Services at the Church of Christ Latter Day Saints, Bro. M. T. Phemister officiating, burial Mt Hermon Cemetery, Yokley Funeral Home in charge. Hospital news: Births: M/M William Adrain CROWE of T'ville, 2 Mar, girl, Sheila Denise. M/M Cecil BARTLEY, R5 T'ville, 4 Mar, boy, Charles Eugene. M/M John Henry MORGAN, Red Boiling Springs TN, 4 Mar, girl, Brenda Lea. M/M Ottis WILSON, R1 T'ville, 5 Mar, boy, Brian Kenney. M/M Elzie Mitchell LAWSON, R3, Summer Shade, 6 Mar, girl, Rita Kay. M/M Thomas Marion BEAN, T'ville, 6 Mar, girl, Deborah Leah. M/M James Carl DANIEL, R5 T'ville, 7 Mar, girl, Rebecca Bryant, M/M Kenneth Nelson BIRGE, R2 Summer Shade, 7 Mar, boy, TImotny Nelson. Patients in hospital: Melva Dean BEAN, Iva D BIRGE, Nina BIRGE, Ada BLEDSOE, Rosa BURKS, Jimmie CLEMONS, Marlin COPASS, H L CRABTREE, Janell DANIEL, Amelia DRIVER, Wanda DRIVER, Sarah GENTRY, Hattie GRAVENS, James HAMMER, Collis HOWARD, Gracie KING, Aline LAWSON, Louise OWEN, Madie PITCOCK, Carlie SHAW, Leslie SIMS, Charley TOOLEY, Ruth TURNER, Ewell TYREE, Birdie WILLIAMS, George WISDOM, Dora WOOD and Fletcher WOOD. Discharged: Emma McCLAIN, Betty PAGE, Evie SMITH, Garrett CRABTREE, Edwin DENTON, Brance SCOTT, Donie Bell KENDALL, Rachel CROWE, Wilma COONS, Allene MOORE, Shela GRACE, Louise SMITH, Douglas C EVANS, Oneita WILSON, Louise M DAVIS, Dorothy MORGAN, Madge BEAN, Terry TOOLEY, Gearldean CHERRY, Darrell W FORD, Lucille BARTLEY,Pent SPEAKMAN, Thadius PAGE, Loretta COLLINS, Jesse BOWMAN, Evie WILLIAMS, Bobby E LEE and Virginia BRAY. Miscellaneous: Revival at 1st Baptist Church by Rev WIlliam H ROGERS of Bowling Green. City Council meets - no business. Mayor S L HILL; councilmen: Billy STEPHENS, Jim Tom RUSH, Tom DODSON, Gene R HAGAN; city attorney J Clayton RICH; city clerk Harlie T WHITE Sr. James CONKIN and Dr R D STARNES absent. Earl CARTER appt to Committee of Committees in Frankfort. 4-H Talent Contest won by the BARTLEY Brothers and Sister David, Darrell and Barbara - children of M/M Morris BARTLEY. Sales tax forms to be mailed soon. FAA activities set in Gamaliel. Next week - another paper. Sandi' Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

27-08-1836 ENGLAND JESSE m. TURNER POLLY ANN [From Doug Moore's online transcription of early Monroe County marriages, taken from: The History of Monroe County, Kentucky 1820-1988 / Compiled by Dayton Birdwell.] This may be a record of marriage for WILLIAM TURNER'S daughter, MARY A. TURNER ENGLAND. It seems to fit with an estimated birthdate of 1816-1819. JESSE and MARY ANN "POLLY" TURNER ENGLAND could be the "Jesse England" with one female (both 20-29) appearing in 1840 Monroe, and one child (0-4). They both seem to have disappeared by 1850. The ages of MARY'S children--living with WILLIAM & FRANCES, 1850, would also fit this marriage date. If these were her only children, she must have died between 1843-50: 427 England..... James........ 12 M ................... KY 010 427 England..... William...... 10 M ................... KY 010 427 England..... Sarah........ 7 F ................... KY 000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

"Both of these entries appear to be for free born black families, perhaps former slaves." I misstated this--should have been "free Black families," not free born. "F B" in the census stands for "Free Black." Thanks to the subscriber who pointed this out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

This month is flying by, the leaves are turning and the temps dropping. I was a "mere child" ten years ago when I began this list and we're still going strong! Charlie has posted the puzzler for this week; let's see how you do on this one. It's on a topic I've discussed before and should be relatively easy. Click on the URL in my signature line called gensoup and give it a try. Here's a news article from the Knoxville (KY) Journal, Nov 30, 1896: "Singular and Deadly. Description Given a New Malady Prevalent at Glsgow, Ky. Glasgow KY., Nov. 29 - A singular and deadly malady, which has been bafling the skill of the physicians, has broken out in the Coral Hill neighborhood in this county and the people residing within the infected region, which embraces an area of about three miles square, are greatly excited and alarmed. "The disease made its appearance about two weeks ago and among well-to-do people, whose premises were in good sanitary condition It is a highly contagious disease and is pronounced by the physicians to be epidemic malignant erysipelas. The victims are first seized with pain in the lower extremities, the ankle or knee and in some cases the pain has first been felt in the wrist, and this is followed by a chill. Inflammation sets in and manifests itself in some cases in the throat, in some in the chest and in others in the face. The skin turns black and the tongue assumes a brownish hue. In one case the tongue turned perfectly black and was terribly swollen. About 30 per cent of the cases have been fatal. None of the unfortunate people stricken have so far recovered, but it is believed that the other seventy percent will get well. Some of the persons afflicted died within a few hours after being taken ill. No other cases like these are known to exist in any other section of the county. "Every possible precaution is being taken to prevent the spread of the disease. For the safety and health of the people in adjoining communities the state board of health, in conjunction with the local board, by means of printed circulars liberally distributed, will urge all persons to keep awayk from those afflicted. "All of the physicians in the county are constituted a board of safety and they will advise with each other and do everything possible to check the progress of the disease and to confine it to its present limits." Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

This is the last of the occupations shown on the 1900 Barren Co census (not including farmers etc). You can see from this list how many were employed by the railroad (L&N). Railroad agent: Frank Curd, Edgar Butler Railroad baggage agent: Charles W Knipp Railroad brakeman: Charley A Tolle Railroad conductor: James H Crigler Railroad engineer: Will F Payne Railroad fireman: Charles H Shader Railroad freight agent/clerk: Thomas Monday, Rice B Trigg, George H Holms, James F Burnett Railroad hand: Frank White, Bernard White, Henry Riggs, William Huff, Peter Sanderson, Henry Duke, William Bohannon Railroad laborer: Willie Reynolds, Henry Farris, Frank Hale, Willie Carpenter, Jerry Terry, Hiram Bethel, James Terry, Christefer (Christopher) Terry, John Lawless, Lud McCall Railroad night watchman: J S Cockrill Railroad section foreman: Joe White Railroad ticket agent: John R Murry Real estate agent: Edward Y Kilgore, John F Hankins Repairing: Thomas Rutledge Revenue service: John M Lain Salesman: Felix C Denton Sawmill fireman: Joseph N Mathis, Robert G Stout, Gideon B Carter Seamstress: Sallie Button, Grace Shirley, Emley L Bybee, Leona J Howard Sewing machine agent: Beverly C Foster, Will M Burks Shinglemaker: John T Rennick Shoemaker: Jim Wade Showman: John L Fitzgeralds Sign painter: Harry Pedigo Stables: George H Walten Stenographer: Thomas Reynolds Stock trader/dealer: Lucian Preston, Clem L Depp Stone cutter: Ferdinand Erby Superintendent of petroleum company: William Matherson Tailor: Sam Dickstein Telegraph operator: George Farris, Harry A Mantz Telephone hand: Printus Isenberg Telephone Lineman: William H Middleton Telephone operator: Walter C. Taylor, Frank H Wright, Elvine Pedigo, George Tucker Timekeeper of factory: Thomas H Trigg Tobacco dealer/buyer: John Richard, William Hindman, John Dickey, William D Smith, James Hays Tobacco hauler: Harry Ferguson, Chapman Ferguson Town marshall: Winston Collins, Burwell Scott Track walker: Euberter Mansfield Trader: George Tisdale Typesetter: Carlis Clements Typewriter operator: Lillie Reynolds Undertaker: Ed J Winn, Wammax? Cartwright, George Gardner Watch repairer: Jabus W Barbour, Union S. Carver Weaver: Mary Mills, Ellen Mills Welldigger: Samuel Richards, John W Hatcher Whiskey distiller: Stephen H Waller Whiskey gauger: Grant L McFarlin Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/gorin/puz.html SCKY Links: http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore/Gorin.html GGP: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

SOME IDEAS FOR FUTURE RESEARCH ON WILLIAM & JOSEPH TURNER: If JUDITH TURNER was 91 in 1850, this pushes her birth back to about 1759. Assuming she was NICHOLAS' first and only spouse, and if NICHOLAS was near her age, their first child might have been born as early as 1779, or earlier. However, JUDITH'S age in 1810 doesn't seem to match her age (91) as reported from 1850 Appomattox County. NICHOLAS TURNER, in 1810 BKM VA Census: Males: 4 (0-10) 1 (10-16) 1 (26-45) Females: 2 (0-10) 1 (10-16) 1 (26-45) In 1820 BKM VA Census: Males: 1 (10-16) 1 (45-) Females: 1 (10-16) 3 (16-26) 1 (45-) In 1830 BKM VA Census (EST of NICHOLAS TURNER): Males: 2 (20-30) Females: 2 (20-30) 1 (45-) ------------------- Known children of NICHOLAS TURNER: WILLIAM (m. FRANCES ____) b. ca 1788 VA--w.p. 1864 KY NANCY (m. WILLIAM PHELPS) b. ca 1807 VA--d. unknown VA) Possible children of NICHOLAS TURNER: JOSEPH TURNER (m. LYDIA ____) b. ca 1790* VA--d. unknown (1850: age 60] LUCINDA _____ (m. THOMAS HOOD) b. ca 1784 VA--d. unknown [1850: age 66] SOPHIA TURNER (m. JESSE HOOD) b. ca 1790* VA--d. unknown [1850: age 60] SARAH _____ (m. CHARLES HOOD) b. ca 1798 VA--d. unknown [1850: age 52] --------------------- James Rogers, a descendant of NANCY TURNER PHELPS--NICHOLAS' daughter, lives in Appomattox County, VA, and attends the same Red Oak Baptist Church that NICHOLAS and JUDITH attended. He says he hasn't yet done much on his TURNER line, but is interested. He can be reached at: RidgemontVa@aol.com James believes that NICHOLAS might have been the son of ANDREW TURNER, an early landholder (deceased by 1800) in old Buckingham, in the vicinity of Wreck Island Creek. Here's a recent email from James: >>>>> "The Turners, Hoods, Phelps, Rogers and Hamners lived on Wreck Island Creek and attended Red Oak Baptist Church. That is my home church and I have the old records but they only list Nicholas and Judith with no dates. Nicholas' wife was Judith who I believe but have no proof to date was a Phelps. I think the Turners, Hoods and Hamners intermarried and I know one Hamner who was named Wyatt and he was an early clerk of Red Oak Church. I dont know who Nicholas' father was for sure but I believe him to be Andrew Turner. Andrew is found in the 1787 tax list for Buckingham Co. VA. Andrew is listed in the 1782 tax list and a John Turner is listed in Buckingham in that year also so he could be a potential father to Nicholas but I doubt it as he was from another area of the county. In 1780 Andrew patented 424 acres on the south branches of Wreck Island Creek. This is near where I live and it was on the Albemarle/Bedford (later Buckingham/Campbell co.) border where one of my Phelps ancestors lived. It is now present Appomattox Co. This is the same area where Nicholas lived. >From Campbell Co. Va. deedbook. 1784-179 deedbook.... p.189 Jan. 1 1787 Andrew Turner of Buckingham to John Hunter of Campbell 320a on Wreck Island Creek bounded by James Phelps. Andrew made his mark p. 191 Jan. 1 1787 Andrew to Charles Hall 100a in Campbell on head branches of Wreck Island Creek." >>>>> -------------------- NICHOLAS TURNER of PRINCESS ANNE COUNTY: NICHOLAS TURNER appears not to have been a very common name in 18/19th c. VA--nothing in the census or tax lists that I've seen before 1810. In 1810, there are only two, and the second listing appears in Princess Anne County, as "NICHOLAS TURNER, F B." No household is listed--all blanks, except for 3 people in the end column for "other free persons in that family." The only other Turner found in 1810 Princess Anne County is a "SAMPSON TURNER, F B" with a similar listing. Both of these entries appear to be for free born black families, perhaps former slaves. Whether this Nicholas Turner bears any relation to our NICHOLAS in Buckingham isn't known. ----------------- Possible NICHOLAS HAMNER connection: [Taken from the Internet: http://members.fortunecity.com/phamner/41.htm] http://www.angelfire.com/biz6/dciris/hamner.html http://members.fortunecity.com/phamner/2612.htm] NICHOLAS HAMNER SR. Birth: Abt 1640, New Poquoson Parish, York County, Virginia Married (1): Bef 1675 Death: November 1703, York County or Bruton Parish, James City County, Virginia JOAN TURNER She is thought to be Joan Hamner who came to the colonies in 1635. Though no record is known to exist to substantiate her name, some credence can be given to support this theory, by the fact that at least 3 later generations of Hamner men were named "Turner." Even before the union with the James Turner family. NICHOLAS HAMNER, JR. He and three of his sons-Robert, Henry, and William moved to Albemarle County and established their homes on the Hardware River. Note: First record of a family member moving west to Albemarle. Signed Oath of Allegiance of Albemarle County. "Virginia Public Claims-Albemarle County", pg 55. -END- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com