News tidbits from Metcalfe Co. Mr H S Vanzant and wife, of Edmonton, were visiting the family of Mr E W Duff, Coral Hill, last week.(30 Dec 1897) Mr Harrison West, of Savoyard, Metcalfe county, is dangerously ill with a complication of diseases. Mr. West is a half-brother to the late Mr. D F West, and brother-in-law of Messrs J W & I A Pedigo, of this place. (30 Dec 1897). From Smiths Cross Roads: We learn that Mr. Moses Martin and Mrs Eliza Nance, of Cedar Flat neighborhood were married yesterday. Mr. Cam McPherson, Jr., is assisting his brother, Mr. George McPherson, in his store and post office at this place. Cam, by his friendly and accommodating manners, will make a successful salesman and will be popular wherever here. Mr. E Witty has purchased a tract of land from Rousseau Amyx. This tract contains 75 acres and lies adjoining Mr. Witty's large farm on Marrowbone Creek. He now owns over 500 acres, containing a large amount of bottom land. Mr. P D Knipp has received a telephone message that his brother, Mr. James Knipp, of Burkesville, is very low with paralysis. Mr. Ed Garman, The Times correspondent, has closed his school at Good Luck and returned to reside with his parents, near Waterview. Mr. Ben Shirley Jr will, in a few days, move from his farm on the Horse Cave Road to Mr. E Witty's farm on Marrowbone. (first line missing ...)of Dr. Lindsay Watson, died at the home of her son-in-law, Mr. J. B. Harvey, on Marrowbone creek, December 17, and was buried in the Summershade Cemetery on the 18th. Though the weaver [weather] was extremely severe a large congregation gathered to attend the burial services, which were conducted by Rev M P Branstetter. Mrs. Watson died at the advanced age of seventy-seven. Her husband died twelve years ago. Her long life was full of kindness and hospitality. She raised a family of one son and four daughters - Dr. M. L. Watson, of Summershade; Mrs N W Tudor, of near Summershade; Mrs J B Harvey, Willow Shade; Mrs Holman of Perkins, of Hart county, and Mrs Wesley Williams, of Sumner county, Kansas. In the early history of Summershade, this family filled a very important place in the social life of the town. Mrs Watson was a sincere friend of religion and of the church. She especially extended her hospitality of minister of the Gospel and all workers in any good cause, and in her death the church loses a good and useful friend, whose place it will be hard to fill. She was a member of the Methodist church, and the way worn itinerate preacher always found a warm welcome in her home. The sorrow which her death causes her children and relatives is also deeply felt by the community in genera. (27 Dec 1897). From Summer Shade: Miss Maude Mitchell and Mrs Emma Hays are visiting friends here this week. Rev. Lyons made his regular appointment at the Christian church here Sunday. We are glad to say that Mr. Wm Gill is much improved at this writing. Prof White's school at this place closed to-day. He will begin another next month. We are very sorry to say that Mr LaFayette Bowles is no better at this writing. Mrs Wade, wife of Charlie Wade, died last week after a protracted illness. The good women of Summershade went to the home of Mrs Mary Warder Monday of last week with their big willow basket - (several lines missing) ... celebrated the ___ birthday of Nancy Warder. The weather was very unfavorable for the occasion, but no one failed to take advantage of the opportunity for brightening and making happier the days of this venerable old lady. I am informed that forty-one persons were present and all enjoyed the dinner, for it was one that a king might well admire had he been invited to dine. The dinner was wholly a surprise to "Aunt Nancy", as she is usually called. There is something remarkable in Mrs. Warder's history, she being 83 years old and the only child living out of fourteen children, and has only one child living out of seven children. /s/ Tyree. (28 Dec 1897). From Sulphur Well: Mr James Morgan closed his school here Friday. Miss Pearl Skaggs won the premium in the advanced spelling class. The Mormon conference was largely attended. There were present, 46 traveling elders, the President of the Southern States mission, and two apostles, besides many visitors from various sections of the state. Ed Hays, one of the men who made an assault on Sam Wells, had his examining trial Wednesday, and his bond was fixed at $500, which, failing to give, he was remanded to jail. Henry Hays, the other assailant, is still at large. Miss Helen Skaggs is visiting her aunt, Mrs. Louisa Skaggs, of Edmonton. Mr Junius Love, from Minnesota, is with us. He will remove to Alabama soon. Mr. Elliot Conyers, of Monroe, Hart county, was here a few days ago. The young folks of Sulphur Well enjoyed a gay dance at Mr. J E Love's Wednesday night. Mrs Andy Brown has just returned from Missouri, where she has been visiting her father, Mr. James E. Hardy, formerly of this county. He is in very bad health, having a cancer on his face. /s/ Dandy Jim. (24 Dec 1897). More next week - Sandi

Please change the mailing address for the History Speaks book to P. O. Box 910! Thanks, Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Goshen Cem on findagrave has most of these entries(with dates): http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=csr&CScn=goshen+cemetery&CScntry=4&CSst=19&CScnty=1102 Doug Moore ====================================================================== On 8/23/2011 6:10 AM, Sandi Gorin wrote: > This is another large cemetery, located at the Bethany Baptist Church > on the old Scottsville Pike in Alvaton. The church was organized in > 1843. Part of the cemetery, the oldest part, is in front of the > church; the newer portion behind the church. You might check > Findagrave.com to see if some or all of these have photographs. > > Atkinson: Elizabeth "Sis", T J > Auston: Godfrey, Sarah > Bailey: Lon E, Nancy W > Bates: Annie, Frank P, Georgia Isbell, Harriett F, James P > Bright: Dora Hodges, Walter > Brown: Dixie Poe and her husband (no name) > Carlton: Edna, Frank > Carter: Hubert, Infant d/o W H& S E, Ninie, Sarah B, Scott > Cassaday: Fannie, Mary A > Cassidy: Myrtie E > Claypool: Benjamin F, Burrell S, Charles W, Clifton E, Elizabeth, > Elizabeth Temperance, > Emily Ada, G W, George, George E, Ivi I, James Harrison, > John S, Malinda F, Stephen H, Thomas Simeon > Comfort: Curtis Neal, Lena Rivers, Samuel G, Samuel G > Corbitt: Junior, Lawrence B > Davidson: Annie Williams, E M, Edwin A, Eliza, Eliza J, Elzie Jr, > Evelyn, Fannie Bell, J > Allie, Jacob P, James, Jane, John C, John Jackson, Johnnie > Carl, Mary E, Sinia, Thommie C, Virginia, Webb Wright > Doan: Irene > Dodd: Mary, William C > Francis: J W, Lutitia A, William A Jr, William A Sr > Goad: Kate Gentry > Glover: Amanda M, Robert K > Good: Fred E, Nancy, Rubin > Goodbread: Brownie, James W, Julia, Nola A > Goodrum: Jessie T > Greathouse: Josiah L, Lilly, Sarah > Hardcastle: Betsy Claypool, Charlie, Elizabeth, Gladys, Heber Ray, > Henry G, James Riley, > Josey, Luther D, Marion, Mary, Myrtie, Nannie, Robert, Sarah > Matilda Glover, Sophia A, Susan Sears, Wilkins > Harlow(e): Elizabeth, Inneree, William B > Hendrick: Elizabeth, J W, Jane, Joseph > Henon: Charles T > Henson: David > Herndon: Elma > Hickman: Ida F > Hightower: William P > Hodges: Emma C, Jack M, Julia A, L C, Roy, Woodford > Howard: Aurellia Maud > Howell: Annie M, Arthur T, Bettie Pearson, Charles, Cora, Cynthia , > Dudley H, Dudley T, > Eliza J, Elizabeth A, Ellan, Elma, Elvis Vernon, Ewing, > Garnet, H L, Inf s/o J S& N J, J W, Inf s/o Charles& Maud, Jack, > John S, Leslie, Louisa, Mary, Mary E, Mary S, Maxy, Nancy J, > Reuben, Sidney Ella, Thomas J, > Huber: Charles Raymond, Matilda Suddeth > Hudson: Eliza J Hardcastle, Henry Gabriel, James, Maggie > Hughes: Bessie P, Byrd, Ellen, Golden, James Ira, John Oval, May, > Walton Francis > Hurt: Cynthiana A, John H, Mary S > > To be continued next week. Sandi > > > Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php > Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/ > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- |==================================================================| | J.Douglas Moore Mathematics.. http://math.asu.edu/~moore/home | | [email protected] Genealogy.... http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore | |==================================================================| | Emeritus Prof ... School of Mathematical and Statistical Sciences| |==================================================================| | PO Box 1804 Math Office: (480)965-3951 HOME: | | Arizona St. U. Fax: (480)965-8119 5223 E Tamblo Dr | | Tempe,AZ 85287 Home: (480)893-1144 Phoenix,AZ 85044 | |==================================================================| | Tempe Symphony Orchestra.. http://www.tempe.gov/arts/events/TSO/ | |==================================================================| | "An empty vessel makes the most noise." (Shakespeare, Henry V) | |==================================================================|

I was at the Cultural Center yesterday and Kay Harbison, president of the Metcalfe Co Historical Society gave me a copy of "History Speaks, Volume II" (I index these for their society). I wanted to let you know about this volume as I have done in the past. These are articles which appeared in their quarterlies from 1985-1991. Some of the articles include: Aunt Polly Breeding, Gill marriage bonds, Civil War Guerrillas Burn the Court House, Historical Ray's Cross Roads, Abraham T Rock's list of coffins he made (1882-1910), Edmund Rogers' Bible, Isaac Barton's Will, The Shives Family, Griggs' Bible, John M. Shirley Bible, Life of Joseph Rogers Underwood, and MANY more. Some of the surnames shown include: Atwell, Barron, Bartley, Barton, Beard, Beauchamp, Cook, Branstetter, Edwards, Ferguson, Forbis, Garmon, Gill, Griggs, Hodsges, Jewell, Lewis, and a ton more. The Metcalfe Co Historical Society is selling this volume for $15.00 plus $4.00 shipping & handling if mailed. It can be ordered at the society at P. O. Box 7, Edmonton, KY. 42129. It is soft bound, 120 pages including full-name index. I recommend it highly and I receive no pay for the recommendation! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

From the files of Moena Sadler. Name spelled both RIHERD and RYHERD. Eli E RYHERD born 17 Mar 1810, VA. Married Nancy WALTON. Died 10 Mar 1888. Buried Ryherd Cemetery, Bugtussel, KY Children: 1 - Abraham DeHaven * 2 - George Thomas ** 3 - Lindsey *** 4 - Agnes Jane 5 - Margaret D 6 - Isaac E 7 - Filmore 8 - William *Abraham DeHaven Riherd born 19 July 1835. Married Tabitha Jane CREEK. Died 1928. Children: 1 - Eli E 2 - John Thomas 3 - George L 4 - Nancy T 5 - Mary C 6 - Ulysses Simpson Grant 7 - Anthony S 8 - Margaret E ** George Thomas Riherd born ca 1840, married Sarah Jane GREGORY. Died 15 July 1894 of consumption. Children: 1 - Sallen Ellen 2 - Isabell 3 - Betty F 4 - Vol 5 - Sarah Louella 6 - Samuel Martin 7 - Clay Franklin 8 - Walton Eli "Watt"' *** Lindsey Riherd, born 1843, married Anthony SMITH 7 Oct 1859, died 4 Dec 1874 children unknown. If anyone can expand on this line, please feel free to post to the list. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

This is another large cemetery, located at the Bethany Baptist Church on the old Scottsville Pike in Alvaton. The church was organized in 1843. Part of the cemetery, the oldest part, is in front of the church; the newer portion behind the church. You might check Findagrave.com to see if some or all of these have photographs. Atkinson: Elizabeth "Sis", T J Auston: Godfrey, Sarah Bailey: Lon E, Nancy W Bates: Annie, Frank P, Georgia Isbell, Harriett F, James P Bright: Dora Hodges, Walter Brown: Dixie Poe and her husband (no name) Carlton: Edna, Frank Carter: Hubert, Infant d/o W H & S E, Ninie, Sarah B, Scott Cassaday: Fannie, Mary A Cassidy: Myrtie E Claypool: Benjamin F, Burrell S, Charles W, Clifton E, Elizabeth, Elizabeth Temperance, Emily Ada, G W, George, George E, Ivi I, James Harrison, John S, Malinda F, Stephen H, Thomas Simeon Comfort: Curtis Neal, Lena Rivers, Samuel G, Samuel G Corbitt: Junior, Lawrence B Davidson: Annie Williams, E M, Edwin A, Eliza, Eliza J, Elzie Jr, Evelyn, Fannie Bell, J Allie, Jacob P, James, Jane, John C, John Jackson, Johnnie Carl, Mary E, Sinia, Thommie C, Virginia, Webb Wright Doan: Irene Dodd: Mary, William C Francis: J W, Lutitia A, William A Jr, William A Sr Goad: Kate Gentry Glover: Amanda M, Robert K Good: Fred E, Nancy, Rubin Goodbread: Brownie, James W, Julia, Nola A Goodrum: Jessie T Greathouse: Josiah L, Lilly, Sarah Hardcastle: Betsy Claypool, Charlie, Elizabeth, Gladys, Heber Ray, Henry G, James Riley, Josey, Luther D, Marion, Mary, Myrtie, Nannie, Robert, Sarah Matilda Glover, Sophia A, Susan Sears, Wilkins Harlow(e): Elizabeth, Inneree, William B Hendrick: Elizabeth, J W, Jane, Joseph Henon: Charles T Henson: David Herndon: Elma Hickman: Ida F Hightower: William P Hodges: Emma C, Jack M, Julia A, L C, Roy, Woodford Howard: Aurellia Maud Howell: Annie M, Arthur T, Bettie Pearson, Charles, Cora, Cynthia , Dudley H, Dudley T, Eliza J, Elizabeth A, Ellan, Elma, Elvis Vernon, Ewing, Garnet, H L, Inf s/o J S & N J, J W, Inf s/o Charles & Maud, Jack, John S, Leslie, Louisa, Mary, Mary E, Mary S, Maxy, Nancy J, Reuben, Sidney Ella, Thomas J, Huber: Charles Raymond, Matilda Suddeth Hudson: Eliza J Hardcastle, Henry Gabriel, James, Maggie Hughes: Bessie P, Byrd, Ellen, Golden, James Ira, John Oval, May, Walton Francis Hurt: Cynthiana A, John H, Mary S To be continued next week. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Sandi - and list, This bit on the Madstones is great! And the morning post today reminded me that I'd been meaning to send this along as a little contribution. Found this researching my WATKINS family who lived in Hardin/Hart and other of our counties, then moved along to the Illinois Territory. "Uncle Johnny had a madstone, and could cure mad-dog bites. The stone was not much bigger than a dollar, and he kept it in milk to soak all the poison out. If a person had been bitten the stone would cling tight to the wound till it was full of poison and then drop off, when it was soaked in the milk again and this repeated until the poison was drawn out. The stone was given to Uncle Johnny by a friend in Pennsylvania when he started for Illinois, and kept getting smaller. It was also good for snake bites, though most people now use whisky instead, not realizing that whisky has bitten thousands to one it ever cured.” This John Watkins (brother of my ancestor James) married Mary Swearins (sister of my ancestor Christena). They lived in Hardin Co in the early 1800s, then moved on to Harrison Co IN and to Sangamon/Menard Co IL. This quotation is from a sketch of the Watkins Family in Onstot's "Pioneers of Menard and Mason Counties" (1902). I'd love to connect with other listers researching these Watkins. Donna Boyd -----Original Message----- >From: Sandi Gorin <[email protected]> >Sent: Nov 8, 2010 1:50 PM >To: [email protected] >Cc: [email protected] >Subject: [SCKY] MADSTONES > >While I'm catching my breath ... This is an newspaper article >regarding the Madstone which I referenced in last Friday's "Do You >Know What This Means?" It is undated but was written by John E. >Richardson of Glasgow many years ago. > >"After Edwin Finch's "Kentucky All Over" carried an item this spring >about madstones, a Glasgow attorney, John E. Richardson, wrote about >his experience with one. > >"One reason that the article was so interesting to me is that when I >was about 4 years of age, I was unfortunately bitten four times by a >dog. The only treatment at that time was the application of the >madstone. As soon as possible after I was bitten, a Mr. Edmunds, who >owned a madstone, called to see me and when he arrived he applied the >madstone to me. > >"I well recall that when it was applied to the bite on my forehead >there was a terrific pain which was supposed to have been caused by >the suction of the madstone. After it had been applied, Mr. Edmunds >placed it in a pan of fresh sweet milk. I remember Mr. Edmunds saying >repeatedly, "It is turning green," thereby indicating that the dog >was mad, as rabies was supposed to cause milk to turn green. Although >I was very young, I did not see the slightest trace of any green >color in the milk, so I have always thought that the dog was not mad >but was merely vicious. The parents of my playmates would not permit >them to go out of their homes for fear I would go to them and bite >them. At any rate, I did not have all ill effects other than several >unsightly scars. > >"The Edmunds' madstone has been in this county for many years. At the >time of his death more than 25 years ago it was appraised at a >valuation of $50. It was cut in half, with his widow, who is now Mrs. >Junie Pierce, owning one half (and some other relative who lives near >Cave City owning the other half.) This part is about 3 inches long, 2 >inches wide and 1 inch thick and appears to be a porous rock. The >legend is that it was obtained from the stomach of a white deer." >

I tried to post earlier that I have the e-mail address of Arvilla - thanks so several of you. The lists were down for some reason. Now - as a little preview of two other lists I run which you likely already know about. On Monday's I post to KENTUCKY-MEMORIES. Upcoming posts include: Our First Bicycle, Let's Drive In Together, Cooking the WW I way, The Quacks are Here!, Do You Remember 1900-1960 and Marching to the Beat of a Different Drummer. To subscribe to this list send an e-mail to [email protected] On Tuesday's I post to KENTUCKY-LEGENDS. Upcoming posts include: A Stake Through the Heart, 7th Son of the 7th Son - Veiled Children & the Madstone; When Meat Fell From the Skies over Owingsville KY in 1876, Who Saved Robert Todd Lincoln's Life? and The Curse of Anne Mitchell. To sub to this list - [email protected] As you were! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

A gentleman has contacted me to see if there is a new address for Arvilla Cherry. He is trying to reach her. They have met before and have connections. Can anyone help? The address he (and I) have is: Beckham <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] - this is bouncing. Thanks, Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Just a quick reminder! When replying on-line to the puzzler, please be sure you enter your e-mail address correctly. It will reach me, but when I try to reply, my reply back to you will bounce. It happens every once in a while - no problem, but double check that address! Marsha - it happened to you, your answer is correct! I try to answer promptly and thanks! Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Good morning! Just a short note to say that the puzzler for the week has been posted by Charlie and this should be a super easy one. You all did well on last week's puzzler. Just click on the URL in my signature line for Sandi's puzzlers and give it a try. See you tomorrow - Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

This Indenture made and entered into this the (blank) day of Sept. 1865 between R. B. Evans as commissioner under a Judgement of the Barren County Court of the first part and E. M. WILSON & wife of W E Wilson of the second part Witnesseth that whereas at the (blank) Term 18(blank) of the Barren County Court in a suit pending therein in which W M Wilson, W E WIlson & T M DICKEY Guard. for Buford PEMBERTON, John T Pemberton & William Pemberton are Plffs against Tho H Pemberton, Chs T Pemberton, Spotswood Pemberton, Sarah Pemberton, Emily BUSH & W A Bush Defts a Judgement was rendered by which it was ordered & adjudged that the lands belonging to the estate of John W Pemberton decd be divided and allotted to the heirs of said decedent & Thos DAVIS, Thos S WALTON & W M WINLOCK were appointed commissioners to execute Said Judgement - and whereas at the ___ Term 18__ of Said Court Said Commissioners filed their Report in open Court showing among other things that they had allotted to E M Wilson late widow of said decedent her dower in and to Said lands Lot No. 1 was allotted to the Said E M Wilson. Said lot described and bounded as follows towit - Beginning at a Stake in WOODS line, D C Walton's corner thence N 85E40 poles to a Stake in Woods line thence N6 1/2 E 161 poles to a post oak thence S85W40 poles to a red oak and post oak D C Waltons line thence S 6 1/2 W160 poles to the Beginning including the dwelling House and the improvements containing 40 acres lying & being in Barren County on the waters of Blue Spring Creek - and whereas further at the ___ term 1865 of said County7 Court a Judgement was rendered confirming the report of said Commissioners & appointing R B Evans a commissioner to convey the lands to the persons entitled thereto as shown by Said report - Now therefore in consideration of the premises & by virtue of the authority vested in me as com. under said Judgement, I do hereby for & on behalf of the children & heirs of said decedent convey the said land as above described to the Said E M WIlson. To have & to hold unto her the Said E M Wilson her heirs & assigns forever, and I agree to warrant & defend the title to Said land to be free from all claims whatever. So far as I am authorized & empowered by Said Judgement to do. Given under my hand the day & date first written. /s/ R B Evans CBCC. Outside: R B Evans Comr Deed to E M Wilson. 1865 Nov 20th Acknd in open court by R B Evans Comr. Barren County Sct. As Judge of the Barren County Court I have examined the within deed & approve it done in open court. Nov. 20th 1865. /s/ W M ____ Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Scottie, Have you checked the Monroe Co Tax records that are on microfilm from the FHL? Using those records I was able to narrow down an ancestor's death to a 2-3 year span. Mind you, I was using the tax records from the late 1840's and I realize that's before the time frame you are looking at. Good luck in your hunt! regards, Colleen Lill Sorry Doug, that makes sense. By the way, your website has helped me tremendously on my Arnett line :) James Murray b:@1820 Greenville, TN. d: 1860 - 1870 Monroe Co, KY. Married 1840 Washington County, TN to Sarah Birdwell b:@1817 TN. d: after 1870. Sarah is the daughter of Alexander Birdwell and Elizabeth Copas. Children: John Alexander Murray b: 1841 TN, d: 1909 Clay County, TN married Tenna Angelina Copass William P Murray b: 1843 TN, d: UNK Samuel F Murray b: 1848 TN, d: 1923 Clay County, TN married Elizabeth Vinson Barbara Jarrot Murray b: 1848 TN d: UNK had children by Hilery Mack Grider George W Murray b: 1850 Knox, TN, d: 1928, Williamson County, Illinois married Sarah A Copass Elizabeth E Murray b: 1852 monroe, KY d: UNK Thomas Murray b: 1855 Monroe, KY, d: 1937 Jackson County, TN married Mary Meadie Wilson Alexander Birdwell and Elizabeth Copas are buried in the Clementsville Cemetery in Clay County, TN. Scottie Arnett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCKY] MONROE-Researching deaths between 1861 - 1875. > Scottie, > > You should give us their names. Also their children's names. Some > list member may very well know > them by name. Always provide as much information as possible. > > Good luck. > Doug Moore > > > > On 8/19/2011 5:34 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >> What other records can I look for that might help indicate when a person >> died in Monroe County between 1860 and 1870? and between 1870 - 1874? >> >> I have two ancestors that I can not find information on when they died. >> He was in the 1860 Census in Monroe County and in the 1870 Census, he is >> not listed but his wife is listed as a farmeress in Monroe County. His >> wife disappears after the 1870 Census. I know in 1862 Kentucky quit >> requiring the counties to keep the death records until 1876(?) when it >> was reinstated. Does anyone know if Monroe County still kept the records >> during 1862 - 1876? I know some of the records were lost when the >> courthouse burned. >> >> I can not find any record of him or his wife in the Monroe County, Ky, >> Clay County, TN, Jackson County, TN, or Barren County, KY cemetery books. >> I can't find them in Kentucky death records that are at the library. I >> have searched all the Civil war records I can find and can not find >> anything on him. All their male children were in Clay County, TN in the >> 1880 census so I checked the probate records for her in Clay County and >> found nothing. The female children are in Barren County in the 1880 >> census. I still need to check the probate records in Monroe County and >> possibly Barren County...are there any other records I can research in >> that might help me in this road block on these two? >> >> Thanks in advance for any suggestions. >> >> Scottie Arnett >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > |==================================================================| > | J.Douglas Moore Mathematics.. http://math.asu.edu/~moore/home | > | [email protected] Genealogy.... http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore | > |==================================================================| > | Emeritus Prof ... School of Mathematical and Statistical Sciences| > |==================================================================| > | PO Box 1804 Math Office: (480)965-3951 HOME: | > | Arizona St. U. 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I was gonna steer you towards Sam Lawson, But I see you already know him. He has worked that line over 20 years. Arnetts are kin to me... Randy Jobe On 8/19/2011 9:06 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > Sorry Doug, that makes sense. By the way, your website has helped me > tremendously on my Arnett line :) > > James Murray b:@1820 Greenville, TN. d: 1860 - 1870 Monroe Co, KY. Married > 1840 Washington County, TN to > Sarah Birdwell b:@1817 TN. d: after 1870. Sarah is the daughter of Alexander > Birdwell and Elizabeth Copas. > Children: > John Alexander Murray b: 1841 TN, d: 1909 Clay County, TN married Tenna > Angelina Copass > William P Murray b: 1843 TN, d: UNK > Samuel F Murray b: 1848 TN, d: 1923 Clay County, TN married Elizabeth Vinson > Barbara Jarrot Murray b: 1848 TN d: UNK had children by Hilery Mack Grider > George W Murray b: 1850 Knox, TN, d: 1928, Williamson County, Illinois > married Sarah A Copass > Elizabeth E Murray b: 1852 monroe, KY d: UNK > Thomas Murray b: 1855 Monroe, KY, d: 1937 Jackson County, TN married Mary > Meadie Wilson > > Alexander Birdwell and Elizabeth Copas are buried in the Clementsville > Cemetery in Clay County, TN. > > Scottie Arnett > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Moore"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [SCKY] MONROE-Researching deaths between 1861 - 1875. > > >> Scottie, >> >> You should give us their names. Also their children's names. Some >> list member may very well know >> them by name. Always provide as much information as possible. >> >> Good luck. >> Doug Moore >> >> >> >> On 8/19/2011 5:34 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>> What other records can I look for that might help indicate when a person >>> died in Monroe County between 1860 and 1870? and between 1870 - 1874? >>> >>> I have two ancestors that I can not find information on when they died. >>> He was in the 1860 Census in Monroe County and in the 1870 Census, he is >>> not listed but his wife is listed as a farmeress in Monroe County. His >>> wife disappears after the 1870 Census. I know in 1862 Kentucky quit >>> requiring the counties to keep the death records until 1876(?) when it >>> was reinstated. Does anyone know if Monroe County still kept the records >>> during 1862 - 1876? I know some of the records were lost when the >>> courthouse burned. >>> >>> I can not find any record of him or his wife in the Monroe County, Ky, >>> Clay County, TN, Jackson County, TN, or Barren County, KY cemetery books. >>> I can't find them in Kentucky death records that are at the library. I >>> have searched all the Civil war records I can find and can not find >>> anything on him. All their male children were in Clay County, TN in the >>> 1880 census so I checked the probate records for her in Clay County and >>> found nothing. The female children are in Barren County in the 1880 >>> census. I still need to check the probate records in Monroe County and >>> possibly Barren County...are there any other records I can research in >>> that might help me in this road block on these two? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions. >>> >>> Scottie Arnett >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> |==================================================================| >> | J.Douglas Moore Mathematics.. http://math.asu.edu/~moore/home | >> | [email protected] Genealogy.... http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore | >> |==================================================================| >> | Emeritus Prof ... School of Mathematical and Statistical Sciences| >> |==================================================================| >> | PO Box 1804 Math Office: (480)965-3951 HOME: | >> | Arizona St. U. Fax: (480)965-8119 5223 E Tamblo Dr | >> | Tempe,AZ 85287 Home: (480)893-1144 Phoenix,AZ 85044 | >> |==================================================================| >> | Tempe Symphony Orchestra.. http://www.tempe.gov/arts/events/TSO/ | >> |==================================================================| >> | "An empty vessel makes the most noise." (Shakespeare, Henry V) | >> |==================================================================| >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry Doug, that makes sense. By the way, your website has helped me tremendously on my Arnett line :) James Murray b:@1820 Greenville, TN. d: 1860 - 1870 Monroe Co, KY. Married 1840 Washington County, TN to Sarah Birdwell b:@1817 TN. d: after 1870. Sarah is the daughter of Alexander Birdwell and Elizabeth Copas. Children: John Alexander Murray b: 1841 TN, d: 1909 Clay County, TN married Tenna Angelina Copass William P Murray b: 1843 TN, d: UNK Samuel F Murray b: 1848 TN, d: 1923 Clay County, TN married Elizabeth Vinson Barbara Jarrot Murray b: 1848 TN d: UNK had children by Hilery Mack Grider George W Murray b: 1850 Knox, TN, d: 1928, Williamson County, Illinois married Sarah A Copass Elizabeth E Murray b: 1852 monroe, KY d: UNK Thomas Murray b: 1855 Monroe, KY, d: 1937 Jackson County, TN married Mary Meadie Wilson Alexander Birdwell and Elizabeth Copas are buried in the Clementsville Cemetery in Clay County, TN. Scottie Arnett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCKY] MONROE-Researching deaths between 1861 - 1875. > Scottie, > > You should give us their names. Also their children's names. Some > list member may very well know > them by name. Always provide as much information as possible. > > Good luck. > Doug Moore > > > > On 8/19/2011 5:34 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >> What other records can I look for that might help indicate when a person >> died in Monroe County between 1860 and 1870? and between 1870 - 1874? >> >> I have two ancestors that I can not find information on when they died. >> He was in the 1860 Census in Monroe County and in the 1870 Census, he is >> not listed but his wife is listed as a farmeress in Monroe County. His >> wife disappears after the 1870 Census. I know in 1862 Kentucky quit >> requiring the counties to keep the death records until 1876(?) when it >> was reinstated. Does anyone know if Monroe County still kept the records >> during 1862 - 1876? I know some of the records were lost when the >> courthouse burned. >> >> I can not find any record of him or his wife in the Monroe County, Ky, >> Clay County, TN, Jackson County, TN, or Barren County, KY cemetery books. >> I can't find them in Kentucky death records that are at the library. I >> have searched all the Civil war records I can find and can not find >> anything on him. All their male children were in Clay County, TN in the >> 1880 census so I checked the probate records for her in Clay County and >> found nothing. The female children are in Barren County in the 1880 >> census. I still need to check the probate records in Monroe County and >> possibly Barren County...are there any other records I can research in >> that might help me in this road block on these two? >> >> Thanks in advance for any suggestions. >> >> Scottie Arnett >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > |==================================================================| > | J.Douglas Moore Mathematics.. http://math.asu.edu/~moore/home | > | [email protected] Genealogy.... http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore | > |==================================================================| > | Emeritus Prof ... School of Mathematical and Statistical Sciences| > |==================================================================| > | PO Box 1804 Math Office: (480)965-3951 HOME: | > | Arizona St. U. Fax: (480)965-8119 5223 E Tamblo Dr | > | Tempe,AZ 85287 Home: (480)893-1144 Phoenix,AZ 85044 | > |==================================================================| > | Tempe Symphony Orchestra.. http://www.tempe.gov/arts/events/TSO/ | > |==================================================================| > | "An empty vessel makes the most noise." (Shakespeare, Henry V) | > |==================================================================| > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What other records can I look for that might help indicate when a person died in Monroe County between 1860 and 1870? and between 1870 - 1874? I have two ancestors that I can not find information on when they died. He was in the 1860 Census in Monroe County and in the 1870 Census, he is not listed but his wife is listed as a farmeress in Monroe County. His wife disappears after the 1870 Census. I know in 1862 Kentucky quit requiring the counties to keep the death records until 1876(?) when it was reinstated. Does anyone know if Monroe County still kept the records during 1862 - 1876? I know some of the records were lost when the courthouse burned. I can not find any record of him or his wife in the Monroe County, Ky, Clay County, TN, Jackson County, TN, or Barren County, KY cemetery books. I can't find them in Kentucky death records that are at the library. I have searched all the Civil war records I can find and can not find anything on him. All their male children were in Clay County, TN in the 1880 census so I checked the probate records for her in Clay County and found nothing. The female children are in Barren County in the 1880 census. I still need to check the probate records in Monroe County and possibly Barren County...are there any other records I can research in that might help me in this road block on these two? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Scottie Arnett

Scottie, You should give us their names. Also their children's names. Some list member may very well know them by name. Always provide as much information as possible. Good luck. Doug Moore On 8/19/2011 5:34 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > What other records can I look for that might help indicate when a person died in Monroe County between 1860 and 1870? and between 1870 - 1874? > > I have two ancestors that I can not find information on when they died. He was in the 1860 Census in Monroe County and in the 1870 Census, he is not listed but his wife is listed as a farmeress in Monroe County. His wife disappears after the 1870 Census. I know in 1862 Kentucky quit requiring the counties to keep the death records until 1876(?) when it was reinstated. Does anyone know if Monroe County still kept the records during 1862 - 1876? I know some of the records were lost when the courthouse burned. > > I can not find any record of him or his wife in the Monroe County, Ky, Clay County, TN, Jackson County, TN, or Barren County, KY cemetery books. I can't find them in Kentucky death records that are at the library. I have searched all the Civil war records I can find and can not find anything on him. All their male children were in Clay County, TN in the 1880 census so I checked the probate records for her in Clay County and found nothing. The female children are in Barren County in the 1880 census. I still need to check the probate records in Monroe County and possibly Barren County...are there any other records I can research in that might help me in this road block on these two? > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > Scottie Arnett > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- |==================================================================| | J.Douglas Moore Mathematics.. http://math.asu.edu/~moore/home | | [email protected] Genealogy.... http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore | |==================================================================| | Emeritus Prof ... School of Mathematical and Statistical Sciences| |==================================================================| | PO Box 1804 Math Office: (480)965-3951 HOME: | | Arizona St. U. Fax: (480)965-8119 5223 E Tamblo Dr | | Tempe,AZ 85287 Home: (480)893-1144 Phoenix,AZ 85044 | |==================================================================| | Tempe Symphony Orchestra.. http://www.tempe.gov/arts/events/TSO/ | |==================================================================| | "An empty vessel makes the most noise." (Shakespeare, Henry V) | |==================================================================|

Articles from our neighboring counties on this list. ALLEN CO: Gainesville, KY. Miss Belle Pope's school closes Friday with an entertainment. Mr J E Lovell, of Pope, KY is visiting the family of Mr T C Oliver here. Prof W R Taylor, our county superintendent, was here last week, working in the interest of the school at Douglassw Academy, this county. Prof Taylor had charge of this school for three terms, and will again take charge on January 10. We are sure he will have a good school, as he has taught all over the county with eminent success. It is safe to say that three-fourths of the teachers of Allen county have attended school under him. /s/ It's Me. (16 Dec 1897) Scottsville: Hatton Johnson and Miss Delia Hood were married a few days ago. Oscar Patton and Miss -ettie Pope will be married on December 22. While out hunting recently, Porter Read killed one large red fox, crippled another, and saw a third - all at the same time. Ed Quessenberry and Vernon Morgan have gone to Memphis, Tenn, to engage in the lumber business for the Gladden Lumber Co. John H Page, a former Allen county boy, who was elected Circuit Clerk of Louisville and Jefferson county at the recent election, was married yesterday to Miss Lily Mahoney, a most estimable young lady of Louisville. Mrs. W H Read has returned from a two weeks' visit to Bowling Green. (all of the above from 16 Dec 1897 issue) CUMBERLAND CO: (first line missing) ... on the head by a railroad mailhook, at Dodge City, Kansas, while making his regular run as a trainman, and his skull was fractured so that he died Monday morning. Mr. Alexander married a daughter of Mr W R Davis, of Marrowbone, and leaves a family of several small children, besides his wife. Mr. J I Alexander, the Marrowbone merchant, a brother of the dead man, accompanied by his wife, came over Monday and left Tuesday morning for Dodge City. (undated paper) HART CO: Munfordville, Ky., April 19 - Quite a sensation was developed here when Mr S G Wilkerson, a prominent attorney of this place, was arrested on a warrant sworn out by his brother, James Wilkerson, charging him with the betrayal of the latter's daughter. James McCorkle is also implicated in this matter. When McCorkle heard of this he boarded a train for Louisville, but was apprehended at Elizabethtown and returned here for trail. (Louisville Times to the Glasgow Weekly Times, 1897 or 1898). MONROE CO: Mr Jack Bowman, of Monroe county, was in the Bend last week, seeing about the school. (16 Apr 1897 issue) Mr Joe Pitcock and wife, of Monroe county, visited relatives and friends in the Bend Saturday and Sunday. (same) More next week - Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Della who is a subscriber asked if I would forward this on to the lists. Is there anyone that can help her? If you have any information, you can write her privately. Thanks so very much. Sandi > From: "Della" <[email protected]> > I am researching the Jordan and Elizabeth Perkins Whitlow family > of Green County, KY. and although there are lists of the children, > I have no source that names those children. >Elizabeth Perkins Whitlow came to Green County from Caswell after >her father's death (James Perkins) and received some property. >The supposed daughter of Jordan and Elizabeth, Letitia Whitlow, >married James Larimore in Green County. In the marriage packet there >is a note that says, "mother gives permission", no name. >The records of Caswell and Granville County, NC, where they migrated >from I believe, have been searched thoroughly. There is no will for >Jordan and apparently the estate is never fully settled. Only the >appointed administrator by the Caswell County court is named in the >Estate Packet. >The children are, Jordan Jr, Letitia, Alfred, James Othelo, John, >Nancy, and William H mostly live and die in Green and Hart County, KY. >Is there a researcher on the Barren list who can help me? It would >surely be appreciated. >Della Nash >

Many times when we find an ancestor's will, there will be a codicil or more than one. The ancestor could have re-written the entire will, but normally, they just made changes to the will's provisions by adding one or more codicils. What could cause the need for a revision to the original will? The spouse had died A child had died A married son or daughter had divorced. A child had disappeared into parts unknown There was a wayward child. He/she was written out of the will. A child had married and had children who needed to be added to the will A child had become disabled and needed a guardian appointed The ancestor had bought more land which needed to be cited in the will. The ancestor had sold land which had been given to a child or spouse. The ancestor's health had become impaired and he/she needed one or more of the children to live on the land and take care of them. Slaves had been bought, sold, died or had more children An heir had moved out of the area and didn't want what was given him. A business possibly co-owned with another had gone out of business. A guardian appointed in the will had died or refused to quality. An executor named had died or refused to quality. I'm sure you can think of many more reasons. When you read your ancestor's will and there is a codicil, try to determine what had happened in this individual's life that caused the need to revise the will. Sandi Sandi's Puzzlers: http://www.gensoup.org/gorinpuzzles/index.php Sandi's site: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/