167 - LIVELY CEMETERY#1. On the W side of old 31W abt 3 miles SW of Rowletts in a triangle formed by old 31W and the Northtown Hwy. 168 - (CHARLES) LIVELY CEMETERY: On the Northtown Rd, about 1 1/2 miles from old 31W and on the S side of the road. 169 (OLD) LIVELY CEMETERY: Near Green River in the old stewart Bend off the Davis Williams Road, near Northtown. LOCKE CEMETERY - See WYATT Cemetery. 170 - (JOHN) LOGSDON CEMETERY - From W Hwy 88 take the John Logsdon Rd. Where it forks, turn left & continuke until you come to a red barn. In front of the barn is the cemetery surrounded by a concrete wall. 171 - (OBRA) LOGSDON CEMETERY - Abt 250 yards NW of Bald Knob & abt 1 mile S of KY 88; about 2 1/2 miles W of Hardyville. 172 - (OLD) LOGSDON CEMETERY: In the W end of Logsdon Valley. Also known as the Logsdon Valley Cemetery. 173 - (STAMP) LOGSDON CEMETERY. On the John Logsdon Rd, Kessinger, KY. 174 - LOGSDON-WILKERSON CEMETERY. In a valley between the old Cub Run Rd, about 1 mile W of Munfordville, under large pine trees, W of a pine thicket. 175 - LONG STAR CEMETERY. NW section of Hart Co - no other directions found. 176 - LONG BURIAL GROUND. W side of the old 31W, about 1/2 mile W of Mammoth Onyx Cave. (JAKE) LYONS FARM CEMETERY. See OWEN Cemetery. 177 - MACEDONIA BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY. On Hwy 88 in the northern part of the countynear the Green Co line; about 1 mile E of the old Bale Post Office on KY 88. 178 - MANSFIELD CEMETERY. 2 miles SW of Rowletts on the farm of Mr. Laird. 179 - MANSFIELD CEMETERY #3. In the Mammoth Cave Park, on the N side of Rreen River, about 1 mile from the river. 180 - (HENRY) MANSFIELD CEMETERY. Abt 1 mile W of the old 31W between Horse Cave & Rowletts. About 1 mile S of Rowletts under a cedar tree near a barn. (WASH) MANSFIELD CEMETERY. See (JOSHUA) CRUMP Cemetery. To be continued. Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Sandi, Donna, All, As the keeper of the Carter Farm cemetery on FAG, I know James is listed there but not proven. But it triggered a memory from 30 years ago when I was naive about graveyards. I was looking for a graveyard I had been to before with a gr-uncle that had passed, and ran into a fenced graveyard in the NE section of Monroe County. It was full of old Frazier stones and very unkempt. After being ripped to shreds by briars, I gave up after 5 minutes and moved on. I remember the lay of the land, but not the road I was on. But it was out in the Mt. Hermon section as best as I recall. I will be in the area over Memorial Day and ride that section again to see if I can spot it. But I have another lost graveyard to visit that weekend and it may take me a day to document that one...it is not on FAG and no one has visited it in 80 years...but I got a clue last year and am going to follow it up first. If I make it to Glasgow, I'll knock on your door Sandi...but It's Decoration weekend. You know I am limited unless I stay the whole week. But I have to head home right after Oak Hill. Randy Jobe On 5/12/2014 11:30 AM, Sandi Gorin wrote: > Donna Rich, who is not on this list is seeking some information that > I thought one of you might be able to help her with. > > She's looking for information on the Payne Cemetery in the Mt. Hermon > area which has been cleaned but will soon be overgrown again with no > one to keep it mowed down. She is looking for the graves of James > Frazier and Mary Jane Carder Frazier - who apparently are not in this cemetery. > > She also is seeking information on at old store at Black Walnut. > > Donna has photographs of family in front of the store. She is willing > to share information and photos! > > Can any of you help? > > Please write her privately (as she won't see a post to the list). Her > email address is: > donna.rich311@gmail.com > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Randy ... be glad to spend a few with you if possible. Hope you have great success in the cemeteries! Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Regarding the Isaac Smith listed in Sandi’s post today of BARREN CO - MILITARY HALL OF FAME - SMITH - PART 1. I descend from this man. I have been unable to locate evidence of his service in the Revolutionary War. The National Society Daughters of the American Revolution have noted they have no proof of his service in the war. The first DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) members which used Isaac Smith as their patriot, were three ladies from Barren County. I have been told family legend states the ‘family farm’ was a Revolutionary War Land Grant, but being across the country and not very familiar with research using land records, I’ve been unable to determine this to be true. Proof of the land grant would provide DAR reason to return his status to ‘patriot’ and is a goal of mine I’ve been unable, thus far, to achieve. In summary, I’m asking for anyone researching the Smiths from Barren County if they have information which might be helpful in reinstating Isaac Smith’s Revolutionary War status as ‘Patriot’ or if someone knowledgeable in land records might be able to help do so. Thank you in advance for your time and trouble! Sincerely, Sherry greenacres@wispertel.net Also researching the following names in Barren County: STARR, SARTAIN, PAYNE, PEDEN, SMITH, LUCKETT, WELLS, FRAZIER, WHITNEY, LYON, DENHAM, ARMSTRONG, MAINES, MOLTON

Donna Rich, who is not on this list is seeking some information that I thought one of you might be able to help her with. She's looking for information on the Payne Cemetery in the Mt. Hermon area which has been cleaned but will soon be overgrown again with no one to keep it mowed down. She is looking for the graves of James Frazier and Mary Jane Carder Frazier - who apparently are not in this cemetery. She also is seeking information on at old store at Black Walnut. Donna has photographs of family in front of the store. She is willing to share information and photos! Can any of you help? Please write her privately (as she won't see a post to the list). Her email address is: donna.rich311@gmail.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Beginning of the Smith soldiers. SMITH: A R - CW Absolum - 1812 Albert Douglas - Vietnam Albert H - WW II Arnold - WW I Ayer S - MIL Bavard T - CW Benjamin (B) CW Bryant - WW II Cecil - WW I Charlie A - WW II Clarence (B)-WW I Clarence McR - WW I Clifton E - WW II David Green - WW II Dora - CW E E - MIL E H - MIL E M - MIL Earl A - WW II Ephraim R - CW Ernest M - WW II Esters WIlson - WW II Felix G - MIL Fleming - RW Francis L - MIL Fred A - WW I Fred R - WW I Frederick - RW George W - CW Harry Thomas (B) - WWII Henry - WW I Herbert L - WW II Herbert W - WW I Howard Basil - WW I Isaac - RW Isaac - CW Isaac Wes - CW Ishmael H - CW Ivy L - WW I To be continued next week - Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I have been told that these are the two Indian's that were on land the Claypool family got by grant in the late 1700's and these two Indians were left to live on the land, and became good Christians. I have seen the two graves and would like to confirm if these are the same.  They died in 1799 and someone has maintained them like they were their kin. The farm has just been sold and no one living in the house yet. Victor Moulder wrote of these two Indians. Charles Arlis Ground Hope some one out there can help. I have a home at Hays, Warren County, KY

On 5/7/2014 8:31 AM, Sandi Gorin wrote: > BIRGE, Noah M to RILEY, Etta. He 21, 1st marr, farmer, born Metcalfe > Co, father born Monroe Co, mother born MO. She 16, 1st marr, born > Barrern Co, parents born Monroe Co. Marrid 21 Jan 1907. Noah Melvin Birge m. Roxie Etta Riley

Here are several marriage announcements taken from other newspapers. Date announcement appeared shown: 16 Nov 1905 -GLASGOW, KY. Miss Minnie LEWIS and Charles FURLONG, of the Beckton neighborhood, this county, eloped to Gallatin, Tenn., and were married. The bride is seventeen and the groom twenty. (Lexington Herald) 23 June 1824 - MARRIED - In this county on Thursday evening the 17th inst. by the Rev. John Penny, Doctor Henry MILLER of Glasgow, to Miss Clarisa, daughter of Capt. W. ROBINSON. (Frankfort Argus). 8 Sept 1904 - GLASGOW, KY., News has just been received here of the marriage at the Tulare Hotel, Tulare, Cal., on the evening of Sunday, September 4, of Mr. John Mack SMITH, a son of Mr. Enoch SMITH, of this county, and Miss Bessie PEDEN, a daughter of Mr. Andrew PEDEN, of Temple Hill. Both of these young people have a host of relatives and friends all over Barren and adjoining counties, who will learn of their marriage with surprise. (Lexington Herald). 19 Dec 1905 - GLASGOW, KY. Dec. 18. - Virgil WARD and Miss Maidie CLARK were married at the home of the bride's father, Mr. J. W. CLARK, at Summer Shade, Elder Bonstetter [sic] officiating. (Lexington Herald). --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Just for your information. After finally almost recovering from my computer crash, I have completed a new book -which is really a very old book! Here's the information on it. Bear Wallow Belles: Originally published in 1903 by Dr. C. R. Wilson, this is quite a delightful book. A novel? Yes. Historical? Yes. A love story? Yes. A Civil War story? Yes. The setting is Bear Wallow, KY in Barren County 1861 through 1863. Using real people and real events in this little community, Dr. Wilson weaves a tale of many events. Some people are real from our history here; some are fictitious - or their names were disguised. The reader meets people from Chicken Bristle, Goosehorn, Lick a Skillet and Hell's Half Acre - a combination of Southern people, their slaves, an Irishman and some Yankees tossed in. The tale revolves around the Civil War and how it impacts the people of Bear Wallow. Some fighting for the South, some for the North, all dedicated to the cause, Right in the middle are the Bear Wallow Belles, three beautiful young ladies from the South and the North, all living in Bear Wallow. The book comes complete with tender courtships, the horror of war, the bravery of the young men who loved the Belles .... with a louse, a church mouse, an unusual duel and other interesting tales included. The last two pages will stun the reader. Whether one is from the North or South, this is also a touching look at slavery in a peaceful community with many other characters adding to the charm and humor. 136 pages including biographical information, a look at the communities mentioned and full name index. If you have any questions, write me privately please! Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

These would have been members in 1988: Devasher: Randy, Theresa Wade Dixon: Whitney Downing: Binnon, Charlotte Gregory, Cordell Binnion, Larry Joe, Lary Joe II, Mable Cliburn, Richard Driver: Alma Stinson Falkns (sic): Cora (Kathryn Carter) Farley: Benny Barton, Jerri Lynn, Mary Lou Francis Francis: Doris Cockrill King, Louise Thomas, Mark Thomas, Pamela Sue Cochean, Ruth Maurice Garman: Gracie Driver, Jean Landrum Garrett: George (Lyles) Gatewood: Audrey A Duncan, John Follis, John Robert Gibbs: Alene Landrum, Fanny Cook, Pamela SUe (Mrs. Tom Kier) Goodrich: Holly Gregory: Lucy Andrews, Sheila Marcia (Mrs. Ricky Hall) Sherry Marie (Mrs. Otis Shockley), Terry David Grimes: Dale Collins, Diane, Dorothy Hammock, Nevada Hammock, Ransom, Rose Mary Hagan: Billie (Mrs. Ray Johnson) Hammock: Dillard, Durwood, Helen Clio, Joe Nell (Mrs Bill Begley), Mae Turner Hargett: Marion L Harwood: Clyde Clemons Jr, Gilbert Jason, Harlin, Joyce (Jones), Kristi, Norma White, Sharon G. Taylor, Sue Nell Broughton Pedigo, Tommy Wayne, Tony Marsh, Vicky (Ingles) Herman: Opal Parrish Hesson: Bonnie J. Harwood Holder: Lorene (Stovall) Hudson: Billy Poe Hughes: Beatrice Bray, Johnnie Lee Gatewood Johns: Fay Huffine, Ronnie Johnson: Ralph, Sada Hagan Jones: M L, Edna Jent Kennedy: Nina Clay Bridges King: Tracy To be continued next week. Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

BEARD, Frederick S to BROWNLEE, Mary. He 25, 1st marriage, farmer, he & parents born Barren; she 27, 1st marriage, born Barren, parents born TN. Married 26 June 1875. BECK, Millard T to SMITH, Elizabeth. He 19, 1st marr, born Monroe Co, father born Pittsylvania Co VA, mother born VA. She 25, born Barren Co; father born Barren Co, mother born Cumberland Co. Married 22 Nov 1875. BIRGE, Noah M to RILEY, Etta. He 21, 1st marr, farmer, born Metcalfe Co, father born Monroe Co, mother born MO. She 16, 1st marr, born Barrern Co, parents born Monroe Co. Marrid 21 Jan 1907. BLAYDES, George W to PENDLETON, Keziah. He 31, 1st marr, merchant, he & parents born Adair Co. She 20, 1st marr, born Adair Co, father born Adair, mother born Hopkins Co MO. Mararied 29 Apr 1875. BOSTON, C L to SMITH, S L. He 30, 1st marr, farmer, born Metcalfe, father born KY, mother born Metcalfe. She 31, 1st, born Center KY, parents born Barren Co. Married 27 Feb 1907. BRADLEY, C L to WITHERS, M O. He 19, 1st, he and parents born Barren. She 19, 1st marr, she and parents born Barren. Married 29 Sept 1861. BRAGG, Nathaniel to YATES, Mary E. He 24, 1st marr, farmer, born Adair Co. She 19, 1st marr, born Adair, father born Adair, mother born Cumberland. Md. 15 June 1875. BRAGG, W E to SHIRLEY, N W. He 24, 1st marr, farmer, born Adair, parents born KY. She 16, 1st marr, she & parents born KY. Married 9 Dec 1906. BREWINGTON, Thomas S to BUTTON, Elizabeth. He 23, 1st marr, farmer. She 26, 1st marr, she & parents born Barren. Married Jan 1875. BROWN, J B to MURRAY, E A. He 21, 1st marr, shoemaker, born Hart, father born Hart, mother born Barren. She 18, 1st marr, born Hart, father born Barren, mother born VA. Married 21 Apr 1861. BRYANT, John M to WILSON, Martha J. He 19, 1st marr, farmer, he and parents born Adair. She 18, 1st marr, she and parents born Adair. No date entered. BUNCH, Clarrence to BROWN, Leah. He 22, 1st marr, farmer, born Barren, father born Clinton, mother born Barren. She 17, 1st marr, born Metcalfe, father born TN, mother born Metcalfe. Married 3 Dec 1907. Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

151 - (JIM BOB) JAGGERS: On a high knoll just SW of the bridge over Cane Run Creek; about 1 1/2 miles N of Cub Run. Also described as on Hwy 728 about 1 1/2 miles N of Cub Run going towards Priceville. Latitude 371955N; latitude 0860325W (Cub Run). 152 - JAGGERS #2 - On the Pike View-Aetna Furnace Hwy, abt 1 mile E of Pike View. JAMESON: See WYATT. 153 - JERICO CHURCH: 2 miles NW of Cub Run. 154 - JEWELL - Abt 1 mile NE of Whickerville which is located on the Monroe-Center Hwy, about 3 miles S of Monroe, KY. 155 - JOHNSEY: On George Johnsey farm, now Gossett, abt 2 miles E of Munfordville. JONES - see (OLD) CUB RUN. KESSINGER METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH: See WILKERSON. KESSLER: no data 156 - KNIGHT-POOR: On the old Ragland farm at the foot of Old Nunn home place. Also called the Bonnieville-Bolton Church Road Cemetery. 157 - KNOXES CREEK BAPTIST CHURCH: About 1 mile E of Linwood, KY. 158 - KNOXES CREEK NORTH: On the N side of the hwy, just west of the one above. 159 - (OLD) KNOXES CREEK: S of the present church, on a hill N of the hwy. 160 - LARIMORE: Abt 1/2 mile S of Legrand & to the S of hwy; about 1 mile SW of the old Cosby Cemetery. Also shown between Bunnells Crossing and Rex. 161 - LEECH/LEACH - On the Victor Irwin farm; 1 mile S of Rowletts and W of the RR. 162 - LEESVILLE - At Bethel Church, 1/2 in Hart Co and 1/2 in Hardin Co. On 31W 4 miles N of Bonnieville. Longitude 372621N; latitude 08855331W (Upton). 163 - LEITCHFIELD CROSSING - Also known as HARPER/LEITCHFIELD CROSSING and OLD SOLDIER'S CEMETERY. On E side of the L&N RR, abt 200 yards W of the Leitchfield Crossing Baptist Church & 2 1/2 miles N of Munfordville on Hwy 31W. 164 - (EDWARD) LEWIS - In Green Co but often included; abt 3 miles E of Hudgin, KY on the Hudgin & Brush Creek Rd in an angle where the Eave Rd intersects. LITTLE BARREN RIVER CEMETERY - in Green Co, mouth of river - apparently same as the James Turner Cemetery. 165 - LITTLE BLUE SPRINGS - Missionary Baptist Church cemetery. 1.7 miles from 31E on (Black) Little Blue Springs Road and .6 mile from Hwy 570. 166 - LITTLE FLOCK BAPTIST CHURCH - From Hwy 31W take Hwy 88 and go 6 miles to Kessinger. Turn on Hwy 2766 (Macon-Kessinger Rd) and go 4.3 miles to the church. Across the road from the church. To be continued next week. Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

SIDDENS, John Gabrile - WW I SIKES: James R - Mil John W - MIL Joseph K - MIL Levi - MIL SILCOX, George Ell - WW II SILVERY, Marshall B - WW I SIMMONS: Daniel S - CW Frank - Viet? George W - CW J G - MIL J P - MIL James M - CW Joe G or C - WW I John G - MIL Naysa H - CW Omer - WW II Richard F - MIL Thomas M - CW William A - CW William M - CW SIMON, Matthew - 1812 SIMONS, Vincent, CW SIMPSON: Joshua Allen "Josh" - WW II William - MIL W Willard - WW II SINK, W H - CW SISCO: Clayborn B Jr - KOR SIZEMORE, Henry Kenneth - KOR SKAGGS: Floyd - WW I Garner S - WW I James E "Tubby" - WWII SLAGLE, Dock Jr - VIET SLAUGHTER: Abraham - CW Kits M - WW I William - CW SLAVEN, Samuel - 1812 SLAYTON: George - CW John - WW I SLINKER: B G - MIL James Ernest - SP AM SLOAN, Till - SP AM SLONE, Samuel H - CW SMILEY: Henry Jewell (B) WW I Joseph (B) - WWII William R (B) - VIET Next week - a whole lot of Smith's! Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 5/1/2014 9:06 AM, Sandi Gorin wrote: > BARTLEY, Sampson to BRANSTETTER, E. E. He 28, 1st marr, farmer, born > Monroe Co, parents born Monroe Co. She 28, 1st marr, she & parents > born Barren Co. Married 9 Nov 1876. Simpson H. Bartley m. Eliza E. Branstetter

Here is another good tip to go along with number 4 (from Caswell Co, NC rootsweb) fishing atlases for the whole state (good for finding waterways mentioned in deeds and they show the original shorelines as well as the current flooded ones) > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. THE MOST COMMON MISTAKES IN GENEALOGY (Sandi Gorin) > 2. TOP MISTAKE #1 through #3 (Sandi Gorin) > 3. TOP MISTAKES #4 THROUGH #6 (Sandi Gorin) > 4. TOP MISTAKES #7 THROUGH 9 (Sandi Gorin) > 5. Re: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 82 (Della) > 6. TOP MISTAKES 10 THRU 13 (Sandi Gorin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 08:03:57 -0500 > From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> > Subject: [SCKY] THE MOST COMMON MISTAKES IN GENEALOGY > To: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com > Cc: KYBARREN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201405021303.s42D3ttQ026212@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I'm borrowing this from the Central Illinois Genealogical Quarterly, > Spring 2014 who borrowed it from "Twigs and Branches", Dec. 1996. > > Mistakes we make: > > 1 - Not using family group sheets and pedigree charts. (Even with > "computerized genealogy", these are important!) > > 2 - Not contacting relatives for assistance. > > 3 - Assuming that "no one else is working on my line." > > 4 - Not using maps of the area at the time your ancestors were living > there. > > 5 - Not knowing the history of the area in which you are conducting > research. > > 6 - Not using common sense when reading family histories. If a source > for information is not listed, be cautious about accepting it.Some > information may be hearsay. > > 7 - Gathering information on everyone with "that" surname, unless it > is a very uncommon one. > > 8 - Not using primary sources: land, probate, church, county records > but relying on printed histories. > > 9 - Not making photocopies. > > 10 - Not making a master copy. Leave the master copy at home when you > travel to do research and take the duplicate with you. > > 11 - Not organizing your records. > > 12 - Not paying attention to clues your ancestors might have left. > > 13 - Assuming that your surname is never spelled a different way. > > One more e-mail to follow as I explain the above. Sandi > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 08:15:14 -0500 > From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> > Subject: [SCKY] TOP MISTAKE #1 through #3 > To: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com > Cc: KYBARREN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201405021315.s42DFCLp032086@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > 1 - not using family sheets and pedigree charts. > > We get lazy sometimes when doing "computerized" research. A majority > of us have a genealogy program that thankfully hooks all our names > together - husband and wife, their children, their parents, etc. But > have we taken time to have that program print off a pedigree chart or > family sheet like we used to before the computer era? Or, if we still > do our genealogy the "old way" do we skip those forms? It's amazing > what we can see (and what we have missed) sometimes. Mistakes will > show up if, for example, the father is younger than the son or a > marriage took place 30 years before the first child was born (or the > mother was 85 when the child was born!) I am totally amazed as some > of the family trees on line. As I have mentioned before, one record > shows me marrying my husband three times - the last time a year after > his death. > > 2 - Not contacting relatives for assistance. I know it gets > discouraging when we e-maill, call or write relatives and they show > no interest. Been there, done that as they say. But, with gentle > persistence, the researcher can stumble on that kissin' cousin who IS > interested. They might just be the one who inherited the family Bible > or has a photo album tucked away. Don't give up! > > 3 - Assuming that no one else is working on your line. This ties in > with #2 above. No matter how small your family tree might be, there > likely is a twig out there who is working just as hard. As an > example: While my parents-in-law were living, I was pretty well > forbidden in researching their family. Maybe a skeleton might be > found and besmirch someone's reputation. So I had to be very careful > in my "snooping" with family members. It was discouraging! After > their passing, family came rushing at me. They wanted to know, they > were interested and they had information that I was missing. They > were just afraid to rock the boat earlier. > > More later! Sandi > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 10:49:17 -0500 > From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> > Subject: [SCKY] TOP MISTAKES #4 THROUGH #6 > To: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com > Cc: KYBARREN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201405021549.s42FnFh6012260@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Let's look at a few more mistakes: > > 4 - not using maps. This is something I failed to do in my earlier > days of genealogy and really formed some incorrect assumptions > because of it. In one of my family lines, I had them pulling up > stakes, loading the children and livestock on a wagon and moving way > too much. When I started looking at the maps - primarily the > evolution of one county from another, I realized that they stayed put > but the new county came to them! With the early divisions of > counties, county lines were changed and they lived in an area that > became part of a new county. I also couldn't understand why on one > tax year they were living in one county and the next year were paying > their taxes in another county. Then I learned that people were > allowed to pay their taxes in another county. This happened many > times when they lived closer to the county seat of another county > than their own. Sometimes, one can find families shown in both > counties; guess they wanted to be sure and both clerks entered the > information. So, it's important to know the "lay of the land." If > someone said they were born in Barren County in 1797 ... ooops, there > was no Barren Co then. But, likely they lived in what "became" Barren > Co. You might find their early records in Warren County. Or if an > older date - Green, Logan or even the first 3 counties. They were > here - the county wasn't! It's neat to print off a county map - the > older the better (or when your family was there). Trace the routes > they took from one place to another. It might give you a clue as to > where to look for information. > > 5 - Not knowing the history of the area. This is something we need > to expand on. That's one reason I try to give you information on > earlier times in this area. The more you learn, the more your > research may fall together. Was there an epidemic that killed some of > your family or impacted them? Did the Civil War cause them to pull up > stakes and move? Can you find a church record of them and locate the > church? Did they get involved in political causes? Did they hold an > office? What was the land like when they lived there? > > 6 - Using common sense. Oh boy, I could write volumes on accepting > someone else's information without documentation. It has cost me > years likely in unraveling a mistake I made because I trusted > something on line - or even from a family member. Another example was > when I was compiling information on one of my family lines. I'd > interviewed a family member who spun the most "interesting" tales - > making him really bigger than life. At the same time I was > corresponding with his brother, both now deceased. The brother asked > me to send him what his interviewed brother had told me. Within a > week or so, I had this long letter from the non-interviewed brother > telling me that I could pitch 99% of the interview - it just wasn't > true. He loved his brother but that brother really liked to > exaggerate his life's accomplishments. Of course I had to explain to > the interviewed brother why all of his interview wasn't included. > "The book was getting too big, had to trim it down." Well, the book > WAS getting too big and I had trimmed! > > More later - Sandi > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 11:04:25 -0500 > From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> > Subject: [SCKY] TOP MISTAKES #7 THROUGH 9 > To: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201405021604.s42G4NDb021715@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Ready for more? > > 7 - Gathering information on everyone with that surname. OK - I might > be able to get away with that with the name Gorin. The family is so > small that 75% or more of them ARE connected. With the name Gorin, > the Jewish families sometimes spelled their name that way too (as > well as Goran and Goren which our names was often spelled in early > records). I have had some gracious letters from Jewish rabbis over > the years, claiming no kinship. I like name studies - maybe 20% or > less of the time. I know how exciting it is too our family name in > print and we grab onto it like a hungry dog. But with surnames like > Smith, Jones or Brown (the most common name in America now), it's > truly a waste of time. You might have some luck in checking them in > the county where your family lived ... but it's more profitable to > work on the core family. Have you checked the female children? I know > it's harder, but can pay off big time. If they married, track them as > they possibly moved elsewhere. Check the census records to see if > suddenly a mother, brother, father or sister suddenly appear in their > household. They might have inherited land from their father, married > and moved away. They didn't need that land and negotiated with their > siblings (or others) and sold that land later. There's a lot of > information to be found out there! > > 8 - Not using primary sources. Oh boy, what a mess we can get in to > by not going to the primary document. That would include copies of > marriages, wills, deeds, etc. In all the 500 or so book I've > published, there is always the understanding that unless I'm working > with the original document (which I do on the majority), I'm really > taking someone else's word on it who wasn't there. I make mistakes, > we all do! Maybe I read the name Jones and it was Janes or James - > all family names in the area. Maybe that little scratch on the > microfilm looked like Susie was 1 yr old - but it was a 7. Even > primary sources can have errors of course. But if you find a > citation from a document in someone's book or on-line and its > critical - order a copy of the original document. It's worth the > small amount it costs! > > 9 - Not making photocopies. Ouch! How many of us have been in 7th > heaven when we found a record or a book in a library and jotted down > the information - but didn't write down the source? I'm still trying > to figure out some of my early research; I've lived in 5 states and > about 10 towns. What library did I find it in? What was the name of > the book? Where did I find it on-line? What was the e-mail address of > the submitter? What documentation did they show? Photocopies cost > anywhere from 10 cents to 50 cents in most locations. Isn't it worth > a small investment to photostat the cover page of the book and the > page(s) where your family was cited? > > Maybe one more e-mail later today! Sandi > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 20:06:31 -0500 > From: "Della" <dfordnash@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [SCKY] SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 82 > To: <south-central-kentucky@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0DEF558C1C4D4BD7B523032EA9028CF1@Slim> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > James Alexander Ford and Sabina M Lock, bond 20 Mar 1876. Othella Lock on > bond. consent by Susan Lock, mother. Groom age 22. Bride age 17. Married > 20 > Mar 1876 at J. C. Ford's by R B Dohoney. Wit. C W Thompson and John Ford. > > These two marriages are listed next to one another. I consider that a > mistake was made, or the bride to be, changed her mind. in a VERY short > period of time. I favor the mistake. William Atwell and Sabina M. Lock, > Groom age 22, 1st mg, farmer, born > > Barren, father born Barren, mother born Allen. Bride age 18, 1st mg, > father > > born Hart Co, mother born Barren. Married Mar 1876. FROM V. S. > > > > > >> >> 1. METCALFE CO MARRIAGES - PART 1 (Sandi Gorin) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 08:06:56 -0500 >> From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> >> Subject: [SCKY] METCALFE CO MARRIAGES - PART 1 >> To: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <201405011306.s41D6ttV026938@mail.rootsweb.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> During the time the vital statistics were kept, marriages were also >> recorded by the County Clerk. The minister turned in a list of >> marriages he had performed the previous year. As with all vital >> statistics, errors could have been made: the minister forgot a >> marriage, got the name wrong, forgot the date and guessed, but the >> marriage records on a whole are pretty well accurate. For a few >> weeks, I'll list some of the marriages. Shown will be: groom, bride, >> their ages, # of marriage, the groom's occupation, where both were >> born, where parents were born, the bride's parents birth place and >> the date they were married. >> >> ALLEN, O. C. to GREER, S. C., He 22, first marriage, a miller, born >> Cumb., parents born Cumb. She 17, first marriage, born Cumb, her >> father born Barren Co, mother born unknown. Md. May 1878. >> >> ANDERSON, E. J. to DOUGHERTY, M. F. He 20, 1st marriage, farmer, born >> Barren Co, parents both born Barren Co. She 21, 1st marriage, her >> parents both born Barren Co. Married 5 July 1877. >> >> ANDERSON, Grover to MACKEY, Ethel. He 20, 1st marr, farmer, born >> Metcalfe, parents born same. She 21, 1st marr, she & parents born >> Metcalfe. Married 3 Mar 1907. >> >> ANDERSON, Harry to GARVIN, Mary F. He 20, 1st marr, farmer, he & >> father born Metcalfe, mother born MO??. She 16, 1st marr, born Met, >> father born Barren Co, mother born Metcalfe. Md. 26 Dec 1906. >> >> ANDERSON, Millard to SMITH, Cassander. He 18, 1st marr, farmer, he & >> parents born Barren. She 19, 1st, she & parents born Barren. No date >> entered. >> >> ANDREWS, J. W. to DOUGHERTY, Sallie V. He 26, 1st marr, farmer, he >> and parents born Barren. She 24, 1st marr, she & parents born Barren, >> married 12 Sept 1878. >> >> ATWELL, J. W. to DAVIS, M. S. He 33, 1st marr, farmer, born Hart Co, >> father born NC, mother born Green Co. She 18, 1st marr, she & parents >> born Green Co. Married 26 Nov 1878. >> >> ATWELL, Rush to NUNN, Susan M. He 22, 1st marr, farmer, he born >> Barren Co, father born Green Co, mother born unknown. She 20, 1st >> marr, father born Barren Co, mother born NC, died 15 Dec 1876. >> >> ATWELL, William to LOCK, Sabina M. He 22, 1st marr, farmer, born >> Barren, parents not sown. She 18, 1st marr, she & parents born >> Barren. Married Mar 1876. >> >> BACON, Jesse to ARTERBURN, Sarah E. He 25, 1st marr, farmer, born & >> resides Monroe Co, parents born VA. She 21, 1st marr, her father born >> Sullivan Co TN, mother born Monroe Co. Married 14 Jan 1875. >> >> BARRETT, George W to GLASS, Amanda E. He 21, 1st marr, he & parents >> born Barren Co. She 21, 1st marr, She born Cumberland Co, parents >> born same. Married Jan 1875. >> >> BARTLEY, Sampson to BRANSTETTER, E. E. He 28, 1st marr, farmer, born >> Monroe Co, parents born Monroe Co. She 28, 1st marr, she & parents >> born Barren Co. Married 9 Nov 1876. >> >> BARTON, James A. to YATES, Martha A. He 25, 1st marr, farmer, born >> Adair Co, parents born same. She 20, 1st marr, she born Adair Co, >> father born Adair Co, mother born Green Co, 3 Nov 1876. >> >> BARTON, Willis to SMITH, Nancy. He 44, 2nd marr, blacksmith, born >> Barren Co, parents born TN. She 41, 1st marr, she & parents born >> Adair Co, 7 Jan 1875. >> >> To be continued. Sandi >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY list administrator, send an email >> to >> SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY mailing list, send an >> email to SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 82 >> ***************************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 22:11:40 -0500 > From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> > Subject: [SCKY] TOP MISTAKES 10 THRU 13 > To: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com > Cc: KYBARREN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201405030311.s433BbDp030467@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > In conclusion - > > 10 - Not making a master copy and taking a duplicate with you. Again, > a word of testimony. Many years ago I flew to KY and joined another > Gorin family for a week long research trip thru KY and TN. We hit > every courthouse in south central KY and headed down to Stewart Co TN > to try to find the burial spot of the youngest Gorin brother. > Miraculously, we found it - totally by accident. Upon leaving, 3 > adults and two young boys loaded into the car to head back to Bowling > Green - in super high spirits. We didn't notice the car behind us > flashing his lights. When we got to the motel - we realized that Mr. > Gorin had placed his notebook and camera on top of the car as we got > in. ALL of his research, all of our findings and pictures of the > graves gone. This had a happy ending, which many won't, when this > fellow behind us pulled over, picked up all the notebooks and brief > case, found an address in Greensburg, KY and drove all the way there > to see if the man there was connected. He was, he was an uncle and > the papers were retrieved. Never again. Never take your master copies > with you as you go library researching, cemetery hunting. Make a > duplicate you can scribble on. If you're visiting potential > relatives, you can scan your photos to show them possibly leaving a > copy with them if they are long lost cousins! And, I might add. If > you take your computer with all your research with your files on it, > dump your data to one or two flash drives or cd's and keep them in a > separate place. If somehow you lose your computer (IPad or whatever), > you have backup! > > 11 - Not organizing your records. Do I need to add anything here? Do > we ever really get organized? > > 12 - Not paying attention to clues. If it's a clue, it's worth > recording. If it doesn't pan out, fine. But you'll kick yourself from > here to Sunday if there was a crumb and you let the birds get it! > > 13 - Assuming your surname is never spelled any other way. A big > laugh follows here. Let me count the ways surnames could be and were > spelled. Bowles - Boles - Bolls - Bowls. Dickerson, Dickinson, > Dickson. Even the simplest names could be spelled. Gorin - Goran - > Goren - Goring- Gorum- Goram - Gorham - Goin, etc. . I won't even > tell you the ways my maiden name was spelled - Laughery. (or > pronounced!) Clerks, doctors, lawyers ... they all spelled the name > "the way they heard it". Some could barely spell themselves. Some > wrote so poorly that it was up for grabs what the name was. Be > creative in your web searches or index searches. Sometimes when a man > saw his name in print, even though the spelling was incorrect - he > thought the clerk (or whoever) must be right and started spelling his > name that way. And, yes, there were family feuds! I had a late > neighbor whose name was spelled unusually from others in the area. > She said her husband changed the spelling on his name because when he > was in WW II, the US Army spelled it wrong. He was told if he wanted > to get paid, he would spell it that way. And, he did. > > I'm sure there are many other mistakes we've all made through the > years; I could write a book just on that subject. Maybe some of these > mistakes will stick with us and make us better researchers. > > Sandi > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY mailing list, send an > email to SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 83 > *****************************************************

I can't support Sandi enough on the statement of not taking original documents with you on a trip!  I did some of the same in 1980 and my auto was broken into; my briefcase stolen and it contained much of my original material, also taken were seven cameras.  I did NOT have a happy ending. John Sissom

In conclusion - 10 - Not making a master copy and taking a duplicate with you. Again, a word of testimony. Many years ago I flew to KY and joined another Gorin family for a week long research trip thru KY and TN. We hit every courthouse in south central KY and headed down to Stewart Co TN to try to find the burial spot of the youngest Gorin brother. Miraculously, we found it - totally by accident. Upon leaving, 3 adults and two young boys loaded into the car to head back to Bowling Green - in super high spirits. We didn't notice the car behind us flashing his lights. When we got to the motel - we realized that Mr. Gorin had placed his notebook and camera on top of the car as we got in. ALL of his research, all of our findings and pictures of the graves gone. This had a happy ending, which many won't, when this fellow behind us pulled over, picked up all the notebooks and brief case, found an address in Greensburg, KY and drove all the way there to see if the man there was connected. He was, he was an uncle and the papers were retrieved. Never again. Never take your master copies with you as you go library researching, cemetery hunting. Make a duplicate you can scribble on. If you're visiting potential relatives, you can scan your photos to show them possibly leaving a copy with them if they are long lost cousins! And, I might add. If you take your computer with all your research with your files on it, dump your data to one or two flash drives or cd's and keep them in a separate place. If somehow you lose your computer (IPad or whatever), you have backup! 11 - Not organizing your records. Do I need to add anything here? Do we ever really get organized? 12 - Not paying attention to clues. If it's a clue, it's worth recording. If it doesn't pan out, fine. But you'll kick yourself from here to Sunday if there was a crumb and you let the birds get it! 13 - Assuming your surname is never spelled any other way. A big laugh follows here. Let me count the ways surnames could be and were spelled. Bowles - Boles - Bolls - Bowls. Dickerson, Dickinson, Dickson. Even the simplest names could be spelled. Gorin - Goran - Goren - Goring- Gorum- Goram - Gorham - Goin, etc. . I won't even tell you the ways my maiden name was spelled - Laughery. (or pronounced!) Clerks, doctors, lawyers ... they all spelled the name "the way they heard it". Some could barely spell themselves. Some wrote so poorly that it was up for grabs what the name was. Be creative in your web searches or index searches. Sometimes when a man saw his name in print, even though the spelling was incorrect - he thought the clerk (or whoever) must be right and started spelling his name that way. And, yes, there were family feuds! I had a late neighbor whose name was spelled unusually from others in the area. She said her husband changed the spelling on his name because when he was in WW II, the US Army spelled it wrong. He was told if he wanted to get paid, he would spell it that way. And, he did. I'm sure there are many other mistakes we've all made through the years; I could write a book just on that subject. Maybe some of these mistakes will stick with us and make us better researchers. Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

James Alexander Ford and Sabina M Lock, bond 20 Mar 1876. Othella Lock on bond. consent by Susan Lock, mother. Groom age 22. Bride age 17. Married 20 Mar 1876 at J. C. Ford's by R B Dohoney. Wit. C W Thompson and John Ford. These two marriages are listed next to one another. I consider that a mistake was made, or the bride to be, changed her mind. in a VERY short period of time. I favor the mistake. William Atwell and Sabina M. Lock, Groom age 22, 1st mg, farmer, born Barren, father born Barren, mother born Allen. Bride age 18, 1st mg, father born Hart Co, mother born Barren. Married Mar 1876. FROM V. S. > > 1. METCALFE CO MARRIAGES - PART 1 (Sandi Gorin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 08:06:56 -0500 > From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> > Subject: [SCKY] METCALFE CO MARRIAGES - PART 1 > To: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201405011306.s41D6ttV026938@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > During the time the vital statistics were kept, marriages were also > recorded by the County Clerk. The minister turned in a list of > marriages he had performed the previous year. As with all vital > statistics, errors could have been made: the minister forgot a > marriage, got the name wrong, forgot the date and guessed, but the > marriage records on a whole are pretty well accurate. For a few > weeks, I'll list some of the marriages. Shown will be: groom, bride, > their ages, # of marriage, the groom's occupation, where both were > born, where parents were born, the bride's parents birth place and > the date they were married. > > ALLEN, O. C. to GREER, S. C., He 22, first marriage, a miller, born > Cumb., parents born Cumb. She 17, first marriage, born Cumb, her > father born Barren Co, mother born unknown. Md. May 1878. > > ANDERSON, E. J. to DOUGHERTY, M. F. He 20, 1st marriage, farmer, born > Barren Co, parents both born Barren Co. She 21, 1st marriage, her > parents both born Barren Co. Married 5 July 1877. > > ANDERSON, Grover to MACKEY, Ethel. He 20, 1st marr, farmer, born > Metcalfe, parents born same. She 21, 1st marr, she & parents born > Metcalfe. Married 3 Mar 1907. > > ANDERSON, Harry to GARVIN, Mary F. He 20, 1st marr, farmer, he & > father born Metcalfe, mother born MO??. She 16, 1st marr, born Met, > father born Barren Co, mother born Metcalfe. Md. 26 Dec 1906. > > ANDERSON, Millard to SMITH, Cassander. He 18, 1st marr, farmer, he & > parents born Barren. She 19, 1st, she & parents born Barren. No date > entered. > > ANDREWS, J. W. to DOUGHERTY, Sallie V. He 26, 1st marr, farmer, he > and parents born Barren. She 24, 1st marr, she & parents born Barren, > married 12 Sept 1878. > > ATWELL, J. W. to DAVIS, M. S. He 33, 1st marr, farmer, born Hart Co, > father born NC, mother born Green Co. She 18, 1st marr, she & parents > born Green Co. Married 26 Nov 1878. > > ATWELL, Rush to NUNN, Susan M. He 22, 1st marr, farmer, he born > Barren Co, father born Green Co, mother born unknown. She 20, 1st > marr, father born Barren Co, mother born NC, died 15 Dec 1876. > > ATWELL, William to LOCK, Sabina M. He 22, 1st marr, farmer, born > Barren, parents not sown. She 18, 1st marr, she & parents born > Barren. Married Mar 1876. > > BACON, Jesse to ARTERBURN, Sarah E. He 25, 1st marr, farmer, born & > resides Monroe Co, parents born VA. She 21, 1st marr, her father born > Sullivan Co TN, mother born Monroe Co. Married 14 Jan 1875. > > BARRETT, George W to GLASS, Amanda E. He 21, 1st marr, he & parents > born Barren Co. She 21, 1st marr, She born Cumberland Co, parents > born same. Married Jan 1875. > > BARTLEY, Sampson to BRANSTETTER, E. E. He 28, 1st marr, farmer, born > Monroe Co, parents born Monroe Co. She 28, 1st marr, she & parents > born Barren Co. Married 9 Nov 1876. > > BARTON, James A. to YATES, Martha A. He 25, 1st marr, farmer, born > Adair Co, parents born same. She 20, 1st marr, she born Adair Co, > father born Adair Co, mother born Green Co, 3 Nov 1876. > > BARTON, Willis to SMITH, Nancy. He 44, 2nd marr, blacksmith, born > Barren Co, parents born TN. She 41, 1st marr, she & parents born > Adair Co, 7 Jan 1875. > > To be continued. Sandi > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY mailing list, send an > email to SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 82 > *****************************************************

Ready for more? 7 - Gathering information on everyone with that surname. OK - I might be able to get away with that with the name Gorin. The family is so small that 75% or more of them ARE connected. With the name Gorin, the Jewish families sometimes spelled their name that way too (as well as Goran and Goren which our names was often spelled in early records). I have had some gracious letters from Jewish rabbis over the years, claiming no kinship. I like name studies - maybe 20% or less of the time. I know how exciting it is too our family name in print and we grab onto it like a hungry dog. But with surnames like Smith, Jones or Brown (the most common name in America now), it's truly a waste of time. You might have some luck in checking them in the county where your family lived ... but it's more profitable to work on the core family. Have you checked the female children? I know it's harder, but can pay off big time. If they married, track them as they possibly moved elsewhere. Check the census records to see if suddenly a mother, brother, father or sister suddenly appear in their household. They might have inherited land from their father, married and moved away. They didn't need that land and negotiated with their siblings (or others) and sold that land later. There's a lot of information to be found out there! 8 - Not using primary sources. Oh boy, what a mess we can get in to by not going to the primary document. That would include copies of marriages, wills, deeds, etc. In all the 500 or so book I've published, there is always the understanding that unless I'm working with the original document (which I do on the majority), I'm really taking someone else's word on it who wasn't there. I make mistakes, we all do! Maybe I read the name Jones and it was Janes or James - all family names in the area. Maybe that little scratch on the microfilm looked like Susie was 1 yr old - but it was a 7. Even primary sources can have errors of course. But if you find a citation from a document in someone's book or on-line and its critical - order a copy of the original document. It's worth the small amount it costs! 9 - Not making photocopies. Ouch! How many of us have been in 7th heaven when we found a record or a book in a library and jotted down the information - but didn't write down the source? I'm still trying to figure out some of my early research; I've lived in 5 states and about 10 towns. What library did I find it in? What was the name of the book? Where did I find it on-line? What was the e-mail address of the submitter? What documentation did they show? Photocopies cost anywhere from 10 cents to 50 cents in most locations. Isn't it worth a small investment to photostat the cover page of the book and the page(s) where your family was cited? Maybe one more e-mail later today! Sandi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com