Hi Nikki, Hope you are well! I saw someone requested SA Police, well my Great Grandfather JACOB JACOBUS VAN DER MERWE was in the Cape Police during the Boer War, I wonder if there is anything about him?? Thanks for your help! Christine Weaver (Bell) Sent from my iPod On 2012-10-16, at 8:10 AM, south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Marielle Ford) > 2. Re: Alan Duthie BOWKER and Ethel Atherstone Marriage > transcription Middleton 1909 (Ian Currie) > 3. Re: HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Gail R?thlin) > 4. CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Gail R?thlin) > 5. Re: British SA Police (Faraway Gardner-Brown) > 6. EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 16.12.1986 (Carol Beneke) > 7. Re: CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Nikki) > 8. Re: British SA Police (Elspeth Muirhead) > 9. Re: British SA Police MURRAY and WHITE (Nikki) > 10. Re: British SA Police (Shani Lamb (SGLA)) > 11. Re: BSAP Corporal Frederick FITZGERALD (Nikki) > 12. Re: British SA Police (Nikki) > 13. Re: British SA Police MURRAY and WHITE (Faraway Gardner-Brown) > 14. Re: BSAP Corporal Frederick FITZGERALD (Elspeth Muirhead) > 15. Re: CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Gail R?thlin) > 16. Re: Cape Civil Service List 1900 (shirley paladin) > Hi Gail, > > Who is this one? I have a strays tree as my ancestor was a MOODIE Settler named John HOGG. > > Rgds > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Röthlin" <mgroth@sunrise.ch> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:43 AM > Subject: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > >> Nikki, >> Could you please check for a Mr HOGG, in the Forestry Dept, I think. >> >> Thanks, >> Gail > > > > Thanks Nikki > > Marielle did send it to me off list, but thansk for posting it for others to see too. > > Kind regards > Ian Currie > > > On 2012/10/16 08:22 AM, Nikki wrote: >> Hi again all >> >> Did a little googling and found this transcription sent by Marielle to the >> IB list way back when. >> >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> >> From: "Marielle Ford" < marielle@intekom.co.za> >> Subject: Middleton BMD's >> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:21:02 +0200 >> MARRIAGE INDEX: ST MICHAEL AND ALL ANGELS, MIDDLETON >> >> No.,Date,Groom,Age,Occupation,Abode,Bride,Age,Occupation,Abode >> ,,,,,,,,, >> 1,26-05-1894,Duncan Fitzwilliam OGILVIE,Full,Bachelor - Manager,,Caroline >> Elizabeth CLOETE,Full,Spinster,Waterfall >> 2,06-04-1898,Robert Ainslie HOCKLY,Full,Bachelor,"Cullen-dale, Bedford",Emma >> Clare BOWKER,,,Olifants Kloof >> 3,22-04-1901,Walter Edwin ATHERSTONE,31,Bachelor - Lawyer,"Eland, >> Albany",Elizabeth White DONOVAN,35,Widow ,"Ellinde, Albany" >> 4,30-12-1905,Edgar Napier RANKIN,35,Station Master ,Grahams-town,Elsie >> Helena Gertrude CLOETE,19,Spinster,Carlisle Bridge >> 5,10-03-1909,Alan Duthie BOWKER,29,Bachelor - Farmer,"Signal Kop, >> Albany",Ethel ATHERSTONE,21,Spinster,Ellinde >> 6,22-06-1910,Evelyn Henry Bowker CLOETE,36,Bachelor - Farmer,Waterfall,Ethel >> Maud MATTHEWS,22,Spinster,"Wynberg, Cape Colony" >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Craig Hilton-Taylor >> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:37 AM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER >> >> Hi Ian, Nikki and Marielle >> >> It certainly looks like there is mounting evidence that Alan Duthie BOWKER >> married Ethel ATHERSTONE and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. >> >> Just shows how easy it is to be lead astray and the need to cross-check all >> information very carefully, especially if it is not well-sourced. >> >> Many apologies to Tombi and any others who corrected their data to what I >> said. >> >> The collective breadth, depth and sharing of knowledge in our genie >> community always amazes me. >> >> Thanks to all >> Craig >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ian Currie >> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:44 AM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER >> >> Hi Craig, Tombi and Nikki >> >> There is indeed some controversy about exactly who the wife of Alan >> Duthie BOWKER was. However, although I cannot prove it 100%, as I have >> not seen a marriage certificate yet, I think that he married Ethel >> ATHERSTONE, and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. My reasoning is as >> follows: >> >> Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER, it would appear, from her tombstone, >> never married, and only died in 1949. See >> http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1314810. So she clearly >> did not die before Alan Duthie BOWKER, and her tombstone still gives her >> maiden name. I have been unable to find a tombstone for Ethel Atherstone >> BOWKER. The only Ethel BOWKER listed on eGGSA Gravestones is Ethel >> Patricia Southey BOWKER, nee STIRK >> (http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1642925) >> >> Like, Tombi, I did not keep references when I started out (bad,bad,bad), >> but I have Ethel ATHERSTONE's date of birth as 5 June 1878, and that she >> is the daughter of Walter ATHERSTONE and Mary Ann Hornsby BLAKE. There >> are photographs of these two people in my great-grandmother's >> (Williamina CURRIE, nee BOWKER) photo album (see photo no. 90 here - >> http://1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=2627&g2_page=5). >> >> As you say, Craig, there are so many cross-linkages in these families >> that it can become very confusing. >> >> I would be very keen to hear what other listers think, as Alan Duthie >> BOWKER was my grandmother's (Olive CURRIE, nee BOWKER) brother. >> >> Kind regards >> Ian Currie >> >> >> On 2012/10/14 11:34 AM, Craig Hilton-Taylor wrote: >>> Hi Tombi >>> >>> Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The >>> one >>> big difference I have concerns: >>> >>> 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern >>> Cape >>> of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary >>> ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope >>> died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. >>> >>> I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in >>> the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton >>> HILTON-BARBER >>> (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 >>> in >>> St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. >>> >>> In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the >>> Commonwealth Graves Commission website >>> (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) >>> it reads: >>> >>> "In Memory of >>> Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER >>> >>> 4th Regt., South African Infantry >>> who died age 38 >>> on 24 March 1918 >>> Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel >>> Atherstone >>> BOWKER. >>> Remembered with honour >>> HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" >>> >>> So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was >>> killed in the Battle of the Somme. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names >>> keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So >>> I >>> am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 >> 08:34:00 >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > Marielle, > He was one Walter HOGG formerly of Selkirk, Scotland and only arrived in the > 1880s. > Rgds, > Gail > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Marielle Ford > Sent: Dienstag, 16. Oktober 2012 09:46 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > Hi Gail, > > Who is this one? I have a strays tree as my ancestor was a MOODIE Settler > named John HOGG. > > Rgds > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Röthlin" <mgroth@sunrise.ch> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:43 AM > Subject: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > >> Nikki, >> Could you please check for a Mr HOGG, in the Forestry Dept, I think. >> >> Thanks, >> Gail > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Nikki, > Could you please check for a Joseph CARLIN also perhaps in the Forestry > Dept. > > Thanks, > Gail > > > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him in >> the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s Police by >> Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD. > > Port Elizabeth, Tuesday, December 16, 1986. > > > > BIRTHS. > > BANCROFT. – To Shaun and Charmaine, a daughter Tenielle, Friday, December 12, 1986 at Sandford. > > FIELD. – To Trevor and Thea (nee DU PLESSIS, twin daughters born on Monday, December 15, 1986 at Sandford. Sisters for Samantha and Natalie. > > KINNELL. - To James and Sue, a daughter, Megan, born Sunday December 14, 1986 at Sandford. A sister for Andrew. > > > > ENGAGEMENTS. > > FRENCH. – BOSHOFF. Ivan and Eunice are pleased to announce the engagement of their eldest daughter, Linda to Martin, elder son of Keith and Anne FRENCH of Cape Town on December 13, 1986. > > KRUGER. – SCOTT. Rev and Mrs D. SCOTT have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their eldest daughter Clara SCOTT, to the only son of Mr and Mrs J. KRUGER, John Kelvin KRUGER. > > THOMPSON. – LORD. Stewart and Ann THOMPSON have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their son, Peter to Sandie, daughter of Cecil and Val LORD of Morningside. > > VAN DER MERWE. – MARRYATT. Ron and Myrna have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their only daughter Michelle, to Paul, younger son of Tony and Eva, on Monday, December 15, 1986. > > > > MARRIAGES. > > ANDERSEN. – VAN DER MERWE. Harry and Yvonne are pleased to announce the marriage of their eldest daughter, Shantal, to Garth, only son of Albert and Joy, Saturday, December 13, 1986. > > > > WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES. > > HARRISON. – Roy and Norma. Congratulations Mom and Dad on your 25th Wedding Anniversary. Love Debi, Mike and Tony. > > REED. – KIERNAN. John and Rose, married on December 16, 1936 in Monastery Hillcrest, Pretoria. > > > > DEATHS. > > ABERNATHY. – Pauline. Mourned by her children Rosille, John, Vaughan, Charmaine and grandchildren. Cremation private. > > AVELY. – Betty, passed away on Sunday, December 14, 1986. Mother and grandmother to Audrey, Gloria, Michelle, Andrew, Anthony (in George), Robert, Colleen, Michael and Sharri (in Bulawayo). > > BATTS. – Jean Lynette (nee BAXTER), passed away on Sunday, December 14, 1986. Wife of Cedric and mother of Mandy; daughter of Iris, and sister of Alan. Mourned by Mom, Alan, Alice and Donna. > > HALL. – Percy Raymond, passed away at Leicester on Sunday, December 14, 1986 aged 76 years. Mourned by Nielson and Denise; Susan, René, Stewart. Gladys, Cheryl, Roger, Shaun and families. > > RUSSEL. – Gloria, my wife and our mother, passed away December 11, 1986. Mourned by Owen, Cathy and Janet, daughter-in-law Venna and Doug. > > > > FUNERAL NOTICES. > > BATTS. – Jean Lynette (nee BAXTER), passed away on Sunday, December 14, 1986. Wife of Cedric and mother of Mandy, family and friends. Service will take place at the Walmer Methodist Church, tomorrow (Wednesday), December 17, 1986 at 11 am. Private cremation. > > > > IN MEMORIAM. > > BOUAH. – Kate, passed away 2 years ago today. Remembered by her daughter Jaabira and Ebrahim and family. > > FROST. – Phillip, passed away December 16, 1979. Remembered by his wife Ivy; Rodney, Eleanor, Beverley and Grant. > > GEORGE. – James, passed away December 16, 1982. Remembered by his wife Eileen and daughter Heather. > > JANSEN. – Ronald, passed away December 14, 1984. Remembered by his brother Gordon and Mona and children Jacqueline and Annelize. > > KEYTER. – Iris Muriel. From children and grandchildren. > > OLIVIER. – G.R.J. (Ollie) passed away December 16, 1983. Remembered by his wife Marjorie, children Antoinette, Lucelle, Ulrica, sons-in-law and grandchildren; Dennis, Lavona and family’ > > PITTAWAY. – Gertrude, passed away December 16. Remembered by Alf and Nellie (Bloemfontein); all your friends; Max and Joe and grandchildren Michael, Ethel, Janice, Athol and great grandmother of Timothy and Caroline; Connie, Bonny, Wendy, David and Shirley. > > PLAATJIES. – Martin, passed away December 16, three years ago. Remembered by his sisters and brothers. > > > > > Transcribed by > Carol BENEKE nee STEWART > Port Elizabeth, South Africa. > 083 482 1482 > carme@iafrica.com > ________________________ > Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE > and related families. > > Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/ > Hi Gail > There is no Joseph But there is > > William CARLIN who was a Forester in Alexandria P.E. First appointment date > Jul 1 1885. Appointed to this post Sep 1 1894 at a salry of 100 pounds p.a. > > Kind regards > Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Röthlin > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:40 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > > Nikki, > Could you please check for a Joseph CARLIN also perhaps in the Forestry > Dept. > > Thanks, > Gail > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 > > Hi Nikki > > Not sure if you are doing general look ups for people. If you are would you mind looking up a Fitzgerald - I've forgotten his first name. He was with the BSAP and was later killed in the Shangani Patrol. I've not been able to find other info on him tho. > > Thank you. > > Elspeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Faraway Gardner-Brown > Sent: 16 October 2012 11:22 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him >> in the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company s >> Police by Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Hi Faraway > > 2 MURRAYs > K.A > Charles S. > > 6 WHITEs > > C.M. > Frederick James > J. > Stanley > T.W. > W. de L. > > If any of them look to be yours just shout for the info. > Kind regards > Nikki > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Faraway Gardner-Brown > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any > Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind > regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him in >> the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s Police by >> Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 > Any listings for B LONGBOTTOM ? > > Hi Elspeth > > Here he is! > > Kind regards > Nikki > > Extract from Men Who Made Rhodesia , The British South Africa Company's > Police by A S Hickman 1960 > > > "Corporal FITZGERALD, Frederick (later Captain) > A native of Kingwilliamstown, Cape, described by his friend, Cpl. C.H. F. > DIVINE, as "long and lean with a charming smile, a good shot and a splendid > horseman....the very best type of colonial soldier", and by Capt. A.G. > Leonard, his commanding officer, as a colonial of Irish descent "fiery, > impulsive, yet full of initiative". > > He attested on 1/3/1890 and served in E.Troop at Macloutsie, where a group > photograph taken there in 1890 shows him seated outside the corporal's mess, > a well-built figure with a slight moustache, wearing smasher hat, grey-back > shirt, breeches and top-boots. In August, 1890, he was in charge of horses > grazing 8 miles from Macloutsie. In December, 1890, he was sent by capt. > Leonard from Fort Tuli on a reconnaissance patrol to look for a reported > Matabele Impi at the junction of Macloutie and Shashi Rivers. > > On 13/12/1890 E.Troop, on its march from Macloutsie to Fort Tuli to relieve > D.Troop, halted at Semalale, which was then in charge of Cpl. C.H.F. DIVINE, > who asked his troop officer, Leonard, for a transfer to D.Troop, as he did > not wish to remain on base duties. Leonard agreed, but pointed out that he > had no N.C.O. to relieve him, as due to the shortage of native transport > drivers, he was using FITZGERALD to drive a wagon and span of sixteen oxen. > Divine made out that he could do the same and thus was relieved by > FITZGERALD, but would never have succeeded except for the latter's help, > inspanning for him and giving him some tips which enabled him to reach Fort > Tuli. > > FITZGERALD was promoted to sergeant on 22/5/1891, and was at FortTuli in > June of the same year at the time of the anticiapted Boer incursion from the > Transvaal under Col. Ignatius Ferreira. > He became a sergeant-major at Tuli Depot on 15/9/1891, and took his > discharge on 11/12/1891 > > As an illustration of his sportsmanship, Divine relates that he spent a few > days at Fort Tuli as FITZGERALDS guest. They rode out on a Sunday morning > after buck, FITGERALD suddenly dismounted, and came to the aim at two > splendid roan antelope about 400 yards away. But he held his fire to wait > for Divine, remarking, "Sorry Charlie, old man, its your shot". Divine > missed and the buck diappeared, but he was tremendously impressed by > FITZGERALD's treatment of him as a guest. > > Later, as a sub-inspector, he was in charge of the Mashonaland Mounted > Police at Fort Victoria, where in 1893 he assisted Major Allan Wilson in > training, drilling and equipping the Victoria Rangers, of which as a > captain, he commanded No.1 Troop in the Matabele War, 1893. near the > Shangani River on the march into Matabeleland he went out with a raiding > party on 24/10/1893, and sent in 1,000 head of cattle and 900 sheep and > goats. At dark he rode into camp with Capt. H.J. Borrow ; they breported > that they had seen no Matabele but had burnt some kraals. He is reported to > have done excellent work throughout the campaign and was mentioned by Major > P.W. Forbes, commanding the column, for special services. > > On 17/11/1893, with Capt. Napier, 100 men, a maxim, and a 7-pounder, he was > left in charge of the L.M.S. Mission at Emhlangeni ( Inyati) when the main > column moved on. Later he rejoined it, and on 4/12/1893 was killed in action > with the Shangani Patrol. > The bronze figure of FITZGERALD on the Shangani Memorial at World's View is > said to be an exact likeness." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elspeth Muirhead > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:02 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Not sure if you are doing general look ups for people. If you are would you > mind looking up a Fitzgerald - I've forgotten his first name. He was with > the BSAP and was later killed in the Shangani Patrol. I've not been able to > find other info on him tho. > > Thank you. > > Elspeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Faraway > Gardner-Brown > Sent: 16 October 2012 11:22 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any > Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind > regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him >> in the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company s >> Police by Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 > > Sorry Shani, Nothing > Kind regards > Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shani Lamb (SGLA) > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:18 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Any listings for B LONGBOTTOM ? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 > > Hi Nikki > > Very many thanks for your swift reply - sadly I'm chasing an R S Murray White aka White aka Murray. > Thank you anyway > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 16 October 2012 12:05 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police MURRAY and WHITE > > Hi Faraway > > 2 MURRAYs > K.A > Charles S. > > 6 WHITEs > > C.M. > Frederick James > J. > Stanley > T.W. > W. de L. > > If any of them look to be yours just shout for the info. > Kind regards > Nikki > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Faraway Gardner-Brown > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him >> in the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s >> Police by Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Nikkie, thank you so much! > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 16 October 2012 01:43 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] BSAP Corporal Frederick FITZGERALD > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Spot on, thanks Nikki. > Gail > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: Dienstag, 16. Oktober 2012 12:55 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > Hi Gail > There is no Joseph But there is > > William CARLIN who was a Forester in Alexandria P.E. First appointment date > Jul 1 1885. Appointed to this post Sep 1 1894 at a salry of 100 pounds p.a. > > Kind regards > Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Röthlin > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:40 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > > Nikki, > Could you please check for a Joseph CARLIN also perhaps in the Forestry > Dept. > > Thanks, > Gail > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Hi Nikki > I would appreciate it if you could check for HARVEY and HOPE. > Thanks > Shirley > > On 13 October 2012 01:45, Scott and Alison <sadrysdale@bigpond.com> wrote: >> Nikki, would you mind looking for Milnes and Drysdales >> >> Thank you >> >> Alison >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki >> Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 12:23 AM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900 >> >> Hi Rose >> Nothing I am afraid. Sorry >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rose McArthur >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:15 PM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900 >> >> >> Hi Nikki, >> I would be most grateful if you would check to see if there is a Malcolm >> MCARTHUR (MC ARTHUR) in the list. He worked for the Cape Midlands Railways >> and retired in 1904. >> Many thanks, >> Rose >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 >> 20:34:00 >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 20:34:00 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.