Hi Jennifer Bell, I noticed you emailed on the list. I am also researching the Bell family. I am Christine (Bell)Weaver, Grandfather Henry Bell of PE, GG Edward Bell of Grahamstown, PE and Kimberley. My GGG is unknown, though apparently he was a dentist and he was in Kimberley at a point as we have a photo of him from Middlebrooks Studios in Kimberley. Anyway, the chances are extremely slim that we are from the same clan, but I will be happy to share any information I have! Take care Christine Sent from my iPod On 2012-10-27, at 3:00 AM, south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: HAYWARD/Nelson (Lynn MacLeod) > 2. LDS Family history centres Cape Town (Elspeth Muirhead) > 3. Re: LDS Family history centres Cape Town (The Bell Family) > 4. Re: LDS Family history centres Cape Town (Elspeth Muirhead) > 5. Re: LDS Family history centres Cape Town (simonek@mweb.co.za) > 6. Re: Lookups - John Alexander RALPH (Norma Patrick) > 7. Visiting King Williams Town (Elspeth Muirhead) > 8. Re: Lookups - John Alexander RALPH (Norma Patrick) > 9. LIEBETRAU Family Bible (shirley paladin) > 10. Re: JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON on Cape Civil Service > List 1900 (Louisa Louw) > 11. Re: JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS, > WARNER on Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Louisa Louw) > 12. Re: JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS, > WARNER on Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Lynn MacLeod) > 13. Re: Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > (Paul le Roux) > Hi Rod > Apologies for delay but I have had two hard drives fail on me and I think things are now working!! > Mary Ann NELSON b 30 May 1845 died 1928 x William Henry HAYWARD 15 Oct 1862 Langdon, Peddie Dist. > She was the daughter of Joseph NELSON b 14 Jun 1823 & Rosalie Sarah MURPHY. > Joseph was the son of Thomas NELSON b Abt. 1791 Nottinghamshire & Mary Ann CORDEN > Matilda Ann NELSON b Abt. 1820 d 24 Jun 1902 was also their daughter (Thomas & Mary Ann above) > Hope this helps. > Take care > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- From: First name Last name > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:02 PM > To: macleod.family@xtra.co.nz ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] HAYWARD/Nelson > > Good Morning all, > Lynn would you possible have the NELSON links between Mary Ann and Matilda Ann? I would like to plot their linkages. > > Regards, > > Rod g > > > From: MacLeod.Family@xtra.co.nz > Sent:2012-08-22 02:58:51 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HAYWARD > Hi Gail > Hopefully this will go through.. > Born Abt. 1890 died 1925 > He was the son of William Henry HAYWARD b 1839 and Mary Ann NELSON > son of William HAYWARD b 1814 &Matilda Ann NELSON > Take care > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- From: Gail Röthlin > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:58 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] HAYWARD > Jarvis Reckless HAYWARD, aged 23, a bachelor and warden living in Peddie, > married Florence Ann Dorothy NEUPER, aged 21 from Wooldridge, on 27 Aug 1913 > at St Andrew's Church at Wooldridge. > Could sks enlighten me as to where and how HR HAYWARD fits into the HAYWARD > tree? > > > Hi listers > > > > Could anyone tell me which centres are still operating - the one at > Meadowridge no longer seems to be in operation?? I do remember something > that it was only going to be in Belville?? I am obviously not looking > correctly but I can't find a phone number for a single SA centre to ask - > could someone help me please? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Elspeth > > > Elspeth, > https://familysearch.org/locations for locations of all the centers > world-wide. > > Regards, > Jennifer Bell > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elspeth > Muirhead > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:16 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] LDS Family history centres Cape Town > > Hi listers > > > > Could anyone tell me which centres are still operating - the one at > Meadowridge no longer seems to be in operation?? I do remember something > that it was only going to be in Belville?? I am obviously not looking > correctly but I can't find a phone number for a single SA centre to ask - > could someone help me please? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Elspeth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Thanks Jennifer, > > But I tried it and it really doesn't work for Cape Town. All I got was a > vague reference to Fish Hoek. No concrete address - a marker where there > is/was a centre - but nothing else. > > ge----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The > Bell Family > Sent: 26 October 2012 01:33 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] LDS Family history centres Cape Town > > Elspeth, > https://familysearch.org/locations for locations of all the centers > world-wide. > > Regards, > Jennifer Bell > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elspeth > Muirhead > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:16 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] LDS Family history centres Cape Town > > Hi listers > > > > Could anyone tell me which centres are still operating - the one at > Meadowridge no longer seems to be in operation?? I do remember something > that it was only going to be in Belville?? I am obviously not looking > correctly but I can't find a phone number for a single SA centre to ask - > could someone help me please? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Elspeth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > hi > > > > > There is a FHC at the church in Loevenstein, Bellville, but I was sadly disappointed the one time I went there. > > > > > They are only open one evening a week ( I was given incorrect infi and arrived the wrong night) and I was informed that they do not keep films there, one has to order it and it takes 6 weeks to arrive. > > > > > You are better off going to GISA. > > > > > Regards > > Simone > > > > > > From: eamuirhead@telkomsa.net > Sent:2012-10-26 13:47:06 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] LDS Family history centres Cape Town > Thanks Jennifer, > > But I tried it and it really doesn't work for Cape Town. All I got was a > vague reference to Fish Hoek. No concrete address - a marker where there > is/was a centre - but nothing else. > > ge----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The > Bell Family > Sent: 26 October 2012 01:33 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] LDS Family history centres Cape Town > > Elspeth, > https://familysearch.org/locations for locations of all the centers > world-wide. > > Regards, > Jennifer Bell > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elspeth > Muirhead > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:16 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] LDS Family history centres Cape Town > > Hi listers > > > > Could anyone tell me which centres are still operating - the one at > Meadowridge no longer seems to be in operation?? I do remember something > that it was only going to be in Belville?? I am obviously not looking > correctly but I can't find a phone number for a single SA centre to ask - > could someone help me please? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Elspeth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Dear Mike, > I have had a good squiz and I dont have Hannah Palmer. I am stuck with > this line - it could be your lot, but this is all I have and the fact that > He was Chief Constable in Knysna. > > Were your bunch from Knysna, or do you recognise any of these? > > Thanks > Norma > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Norma Patrick <norma.patrick8@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Thanks Michael >> Rushing out now, but will look up if I can place Hannah and let you know. >> My John Alexander Ralph was born 1836 and died 1901. He was Chief >> Constable in Knysna at one stage. >> >> Cheers >> Norma >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM, MICHAELJ WATTRUS < >> michaeljwattrus@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Norma >>> Hannah Palmer RALPH is my 2nd Great-Grandmother, I have a John listed but >>> the Alexander name appears in the RALPH Tree frequently, maybe we can >>> compare notes. >>> Regards >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Hi Nikki >>> Could you please look if John Alexander Ralph is there? >>> Many thanks >>> Norma >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> > > Hi everyone > > > > Sorry to be such a pest at the moment - I'll offer some look-ups at CT > Archives in exchange for advise for my trip. > > > > I don't know the area, and find conflicting reports on what the on town is > like - how long to spend there. Accomodation is also really more than I can > afford - geared to business visitors. Would it possibly be better to go for > a farm stay in Stutterheim and then drive back into kwt on the days I want > to be there? > > > > Thank you. > > > > elspeth > > > The following was received from Viv Kymdell in response to my 2005 Rootsweb > enquiry:. There seems to be two Ralph families, yours and mine, but dont > think they tie up. > > Cheers Norma > > Richard RALPH x Elizabeth MILLS > > [b] 1. Joseph RALPH x Carolina Margareta Peterson [I would have thought > Pietersen - Viv.] > [c] 1. Hanna Palmer RALPH *Palmietfontein, Somerset East 5.5.1839 + > Molteno 20.4.1919 # Molteno x Somerset East 17.2.1857 Alexander Daniel Peter > JUBBER * Grahamstown 9.5.1828 + Molteno 7.3.1903 # Molteno. Alexander and > Hanna had 19 [nineteen] children. If you would like the children, just let > me know. > [His 1st wife is shown as Sarah [Loveridge] LOVE * Trappes Valley, Albany > 1.11.1834 + Bloemfontein, OFS 27.4.1852, Alexander and Sarah show 2 > children]. > > > Susanna Catharina Magdalena RALPH * Burgersdorp CP 18.5.1942 x 7.7.1962 > Pieter Hendrik HENNING * Cathcart 12.1.1941 son of Stephanus Johannes Paulus > HENNING [1918 - 1988] and Edith Mary GREYLING [1917 1965] > Susanna and Pieter show 4 children. > > > > William Henry RALPH x Wesleyan Methodist Church, Queenstown Ester Sarah > MITCHLEY *Kimberley 9.10.1877 ~ Wesleyan Methodist Church, Kimberley > 29.10.1877, dau of Frederick James MITCHLEY and Elizabeth Ann RIDGARD > [1856 - 1899]. > There are no dates shown for William and no children shown, the notes record > that his occupation is given as a platelayer, residing in Queenstown [Cape > Government Railways]. > > > > Lynette RALPH *27.7.1968 x Bloemfontein, OFS 2.4.1988 Matthys Johannes VAN > REENEN *23.12.1960, son of Jacob Johannes VAN REENEN [1931-1978] and Ester > DEINER > Lynette and Matthys show 1 dau. > > > John RALPH x abt 1761 PA. USA, Verena HUNSAKER * PA. USA 1740, parents from > Switzerland. > > Hi to the list, > During the past week I visited a bookshop in Johannesburg and saw a > small leather bound bible about the size of a paperback) for sale, > with very feint entries on 5 pages listing the LIEBETRAU Family > starting with Johann Lorentz LIEBETRAU b. 20 Dec 1772 married Helena > Elizabeth KUSTER (KUSLER)? b. 30 Apr 1784 and other entries up to > about 1848. There was also another leather bound bible (bigger than > A4) and text in Welsh - I think, and there was a single page with > about 5 entries and starting with John MORGANS b. 15 Jul 1823 married > Catherien MORGANS. > They kindly allowed me to photograph them, (not great photos > unfortunately) but if anyone would like copies, just give me a shout. > > Best wishes > Shirley > > Hi Nikki > > > > Taking the first names of the males of the JAMES family into consideration > it seems I need to ask for more info of the following persons, please: > > > > JAMES: Joseph > > Thomas > > JOHNSON: Francis Robert > > Harry Smythe > > Francis Herbert > > William John > > CHERRY: George William > > HARRISON: George Alfred > > > > Hopefully there will be some leads to link the JAMES marriages to the other > surnames. > > > > Thank you in advance > > Louisa > > On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Nikki <alnic@polka.co.za> wrote: > >> >> You wrote: >> >> If any of these are relevant to you just shout and I will type up what info >> there is. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> >> >> >> > > Hi Lynette > > My apologies for taking such a long time to reply. > > > > My JOHNSON connection: > > My grandfather Henry Stephen JAMES, born 22 May 1873, d.12 Oct 1950, PE > > Married 1st wife: Gertruida Wilhelmina Johanna JOHNSON. b abt.1838, d.2 Jan > 1925, PE. Buried at South End, PE. On the gravestone (eggsa) it says she > was 87 yrs old, which would mean she was 35 yrs older than him, so I don’t > think there could be any children between the 2 of them. I am in search of > the names of her parents and brothers and sisters, but up to now couldn’t > trace anything about her birth or whereabouts when and before she got > married to my grandfather. If I can find that, I’m sure I’ll be able to > bring the connection with other JOHNSON links. > > > > I have a copy of the Master of the Supreme Court which shows their address > at the time of her death as Fairview Estate, Walmer side, PE. According to > my mother Fairview Estate was the house where she grew up and the street > address was #18, 17th Avenue, Walmer, PE. > > > > Unfortunately the surname BEST sounds unfamiliar to me, BUT on the other > hand, my mother knows nothing at all about the JOHNSON side of the family > and won’t know if there maybe was a BEST married into the family. She was > the youngest child and away in a boarding school during her school years > and there wasn’t much opportunity to come to know more of the family. > > > > I’m going to put the info of the previous generations on the ZA-EC mailing > list for the other people to see. Hopefully it will be before the end of > the weekend, and hopefully it will lead to lots of new connections, for > some other people and for me. I really want to have a “mini” Family Tree > finished by Dec to give to my mother for Christmas. > > > > Regards to you > > Louisa > > On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Lynette McWilliams Troughton < > lynettemcwtroughton@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> What is your connection with the JOHNSON's. My JOHNSON's come from >> George. Do you have any connection to this family/ I also have an >> EmmaAnna BEST who married a John Graham JOHNSON in about 1868. >> Regards, >> Lynette from OZ >> >>> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:50:55 +0200 >>> From: lllouisa60@gmail.com >>> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [ZA-EC] JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS, >> WARNER on Cape Civil Service List 1900 >>> >>> Hello Nikki, >>> >>> I would be grateful if you would check if there are anything on the list >> of >>> JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS or WARNER. >>> >>> Thank you very much, >>> Louisa >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> > > HI Louise > If its any help... if you look again at the photograph on eGGSA > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1315773 it shows her > age as 67 (not 87) at death making her d.o.b. Abt. 1858 - 15 years difference > between their ages?? > Take care > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- From: Louisa Louw > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:10 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS, WARNER on Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > Hi Lynette > > My apologies for taking such a long time to reply. > > > > My JOHNSON connection: > > My grandfather Henry Stephen JAMES, born 22 May 1873, d.12 Oct 1950, PE > > Married 1st wife: Gertruida Wilhelmina Johanna JOHNSON. b abt.1838, d.2 Jan > 1925, PE. Buried at South End, PE. On the gravestone (eggsa) it says she > was 87 yrs old, which would mean she was 35 yrs older than him, so I don’t > think there could be any children between the 2 of them. I am in search of > the names of her parents and brothers and sisters, but up to now couldn’t > trace anything about her birth or whereabouts when and before she got > married to my grandfather. If I can find that, I’m sure I’ll be able to > bring the connection with other JOHNSON links. > > > > I have a copy of the Master of the Supreme Court which shows their address > at the time of her death as Fairview Estate, Walmer side, PE. According to > my mother Fairview Estate was the house where she grew up and the street > address was #18, 17th Avenue, Walmer, PE. > > > > Unfortunately the surname BEST sounds unfamiliar to me, BUT on the other > hand, my mother knows nothing at all about the JOHNSON side of the family > and won’t know if there maybe was a BEST married into the family. She was > the youngest child and away in a boarding school during her school years > and there wasn’t much opportunity to come to know more of the family. > > > > I’m going to put the info of the previous generations on the ZA-EC mailing > list for the other people to see. Hopefully it will be before the end of > the weekend, and hopefully it will lead to lots of new connections, for > some other people and for me. I really want to have a “mini” Family Tree > finished by Dec to give to my mother for Christmas. > > > > Dear Malcolm, > > Do you see a map of Africa? - Click anywhere on South Africa. > This should take you to a page that looks almost like a directory-tree > > Click on the plus sign before South Africa to expand that branch. > The either click on the sgSA250k (lesser detail maps) or > Expand the sgSA50k (more detail maps) and then click on the province. > > You should now see a grid of SA / an area of SA. Click on the block you are > interested in. > > You will see a thumbnail photo of the map and below it a download button. > Click on download and select save to your PC. > > Hope it works. > > Regards > Paul > > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.