HI Craig, Nice conundrum! This is what keeps us out of mischief. I think I need to go over my contribution one more time :- I have no doubt that Louisa Matilda WAYLAND married Jesse ALBUT, and that there was no issue. According to old notes, they adopted a daughter, "a niece of his wife, who later married a GILFILLAN". No "given name" identity stated, not for the adoptee and not for the GILFILLAN. So I have absolutely no idea who she was, and I was merely enquiring whether there could be a tie-up with the Ellen on the passenger list. Apologies if I muddied the waters. I await with keen interest the findings of the kind person who will do the look-up on our behalf; this one has been lurking around for too long! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Hilton-Taylor" <craig.hilton-taylor@sky.com> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] A Few Passengers for Algoa Bay 1861 - WAYLAND andGILFILLAN > Hi Peter and Fay > > This is yet another mystery concerning the GILFILLAN and WAYLAND families. > > In summary, this is the info that many of us have: > > Ellen WAYLAND (born 22 Jun 1854 - according to Tessa King she was baptised > in PE - I don't have those details, so may have been born there or close > by). She was the 6th of 7 children born to Charles Joseph WAYLAND > (1817-1889) and Matilda Lucy HART (1826-1877) [not from the Robert HART > family]. Their eldest child was Louisa Matilda WAYLAND (1846-?) who > married > Jesse ALBUT as referred to by Peter below. > > Ellen supposedly married Alfred GILFILLAN in about 1871. Alfred was born > 25 > Mar 1846 in Cradock and died 17 Mar 1915 in Queenstown (see > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1228246). He was the > youngest son of William F.A. GILFILLAN and Anna Margaret nee THORNHILL. > Ellen died in Middelburg on 28 Jul 1926. The mystery, however, is that > Ellen's Memorial inscription reads: "Ellen GILFILLAN died 28.7.1926 nee > WAYLAND aged 72 years, wife of Henry". So was the use of "Henry" just a > mistake or was she really married to a Henry GILFILLAN - if so who was he > and who then did Alfred marry? I only have 2 Henry's in the whole > GILFILLAN > family and both of them are fully accounted for. > > The only way to resolve this is to get some kind person to check the Death > Notice details for Ellen in the Cape Archives: KAB MOOC 6/9/3010 Ref 12241 > and likewise for Alfred: KAB MOOC 6/9/781 Ref 813 (and KAB MOOC 13/1/2511 > Ref 39). > > It seems very unlikely that the above Ellen WAYLAND would have been > adopted > by her sister Louisa and Jesse ALBUT. So the family story Peter mentions > must be referring to a different Ellen WAYLAND. As far as I know Louisa > and > Ellen only had 3 brothers - Charles William Henry WAYLAND (born 1852, died > abt 1929 - no further details), Walter (or Wallis - some more confusion > here > about his correct name) Hart WAYLAND (1852-1935) and Arthur Edwin WAYLAND > (born 1856, died abt 1918 - no further details). So perhaps the nice Ellen > was a child of either Charles or Arthur. > > Best wishes > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Kirkman > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:01 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] A Few Passengers for Algoa Bay 1861 > > The following contribution may or may not fit: > > In 1838 a sister (Mellicent) of the two 1820 Settler HOBSON brothers > (David > and Carey) came to SA with her second husband, Edwin ALBUT, accompanied by > 4 > children from her first marriage (NASH), and a daughter by her second > husband (Sarah Maria ALBUT - later married to Seymour WARD). Mellicent > and > Edwin had another son (Jesse ALBUT) born at Mancazana Post in 1841. Jesse > ALBUT married Louisa Matilda WAYLAND. Cryptic old family notes tell us > that > Jesse "had no children of his own, but he adopted a daughter (a niece of > his > wife) who later married a GILFILLAN". > > No name was given for the adopted daughter. Could this be Ellen WAYLAND, > referred to below? > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fay Lea" <cancun@icon.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] A Few Passengers for Algoa Bay 1861 > > >>I wonder if this Miss Wayland was Ellen Wayland born 1854 died 28.07.1926 >> married Alfred Gilfillan b 1846. Ellen is the sister of Emma who married >> Edward Boyer Cook >> Their daughter Mathilda 'May' Hart Cook married Edward Thornhill >> Gilfillan. >> >> Is Miss Loremore perhaps Miss LOVEMORE? >> >> Thank you for posting this - most interesting. >> >> Cheer Fay >> >> > snipped.... > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter You certainly did not muddy the waters, I understood fully what you were saying - it was my reply written in haste which probably confused matters. Anyway, Ellen Stanton (one of our genie angels) has sent me an early Christmas present of various WAYLAND documents that she has. This includes: 1. The marriage register entry for Jesse ALBUT (Farmer at Winterhoek - no age given) and Louisa Matilda WAYLAND (living near Alice) on 10 Jan 1865. I see that C.J. WAYLAND Sr. and C.J. WAYLAND Jr. signed as witnesses. Presumably the first of these (senior) was Louisa's father Charles Joseph. So who is C.J. junior - a brother? 2. The marriage register entry for Alfred GILFILLAN (aged 34 and a farmer at Glenheath, Middelburg) and Ellen WAYLAND (aged 26, resident at Lovedale at the time of their wedding) who were married at Lovedale on 1 March 1881 by W.T. (or F) GAUL. The witnesses who signed are C.W.H. WAYLAND and W.H. WAYLAND (presumably Charles William Henry and Walter Hart - two of Ellen's brothers). So based on this information I am now convinced that this Ellen WAYLAND was the daughter of Charles WAYLAND and Matilda Lucy HART. 3. The baptisms in the Somerset East Wesleyan-Methodist Chapel for the following children of Charles Joseph WAYLAND and Matilda (HART) - all by Rev. EDWARDS: - Louisa Matilda WAYLAND (b. 5 May 1846, bap. 31 May 1846) - Elizabeth WAYLAND (b. 27 Sep 1847 at Riet River, bap. 2 Mar 1848) - Emma WAYLAND (b. 20 Oct 1848 at Wheatlands, Melk Rivier, bap. 10 Jan 1849) - Charles William Henry (b. 01 Aug 1850 at Melk Rivier, bap. 13 Oct 1850 4. Baptisms in the Port Elizabeth Wesleyan-Methodist Chapel for the following children of Charles Joseph WAYLAND and Matilda (HART): - William Hart WAYLAND (b. 01 Aug 1852, bap. 25 Dec 1857) - Helen WAYLAND [this I assume is the Ellen we have been discussing - the E in Edwin below looks like the H in Helen, so the latter is probably Ellen] (b. 22 Jun 1854. bap. 25 Dec 1857) - Arthur Edwin WAYLAND (b. 5 Feb 1856, bap. 25 Dec 1857) All three of the above were born in the same place, but I cannot decipher the place name. Hope that provides some additional info for some people and a huge thanks as always to Ellen Stanton. I will be away for a while, so will pick up any further discussion on this after the Christmas break. Seasons greetings to everyone. Best wishes Craig -----Original Message----- From: Peter Kirkman Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:11 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] A Few Passengers for Algoa Bay 1861 - WAYLAND andGILFILLAN HI Craig, Nice conundrum! This is what keeps us out of mischief. I think I need to go over my contribution one more time :- I have no doubt that Louisa Matilda WAYLAND married Jesse ALBUT, and that there was no issue. According to old notes, they adopted a daughter, "a niece of his wife, who later married a GILFILLAN". No "given name" identity stated, not for the adoptee and not for the GILFILLAN. So I have absolutely no idea who she was, and I was merely enquiring whether there could be a tie-up with the Ellen on the passenger list. Apologies if I muddied the waters. I await with keen interest the findings of the kind person who will do the look-up on our behalf; this one has been lurking around for too long! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Hilton-Taylor" <craig.hilton-taylor@sky.com> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] A Few Passengers for Algoa Bay 1861 - WAYLAND andGILFILLAN > Hi Peter and Fay > > This is yet another mystery concerning the GILFILLAN and WAYLAND families. > > In summary, this is the info that many of us have: > > Ellen WAYLAND (born 22 Jun 1854 - according to Tessa King she was baptised > in PE - I don't have those details, so may have been born there or close > by). She was the 6th of 7 children born to Charles Joseph WAYLAND > (1817-1889) and Matilda Lucy HART (1826-1877) [not from the Robert HART > family]. Their eldest child was Louisa Matilda WAYLAND (1846-?) who > married > Jesse ALBUT as referred to by Peter below. > > Ellen supposedly married Alfred GILFILLAN in about 1871. Alfred was born > 25 > Mar 1846 in Cradock and died 17 Mar 1915 in Queenstown (see > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1228246). He was the > youngest son of William F.A. GILFILLAN and Anna Margaret nee THORNHILL. > Ellen died in Middelburg on 28 Jul 1926. The mystery, however, is that > Ellen's Memorial inscription reads: "Ellen GILFILLAN died 28.7.1926 nee > WAYLAND aged 72 years, wife of Henry". So was the use of "Henry" just a > mistake or was she really married to a Henry GILFILLAN - if so who was he > and who then did Alfred marry? I only have 2 Henry's in the whole > GILFILLAN > family and both of them are fully accounted for. > > The only way to resolve this is to get some kind person to check the Death > Notice details for Ellen in the Cape Archives: KAB MOOC 6/9/3010 Ref 12241 > and likewise for Alfred: KAB MOOC 6/9/781 Ref 813 (and KAB MOOC 13/1/2511 > Ref 39). > > It seems very unlikely that the above Ellen WAYLAND would have been > adopted > by her sister Louisa and Jesse ALBUT. So the family story Peter mentions > must be referring to a different Ellen WAYLAND. As far as I know Louisa > and > Ellen only had 3 brothers - Charles William Henry WAYLAND (born 1852, died > abt 1929 - no further details), Walter (or Wallis - some more confusion > here > about his correct name) Hart WAYLAND (1852-1935) and Arthur Edwin WAYLAND > (born 1856, died abt 1918 - no further details). So perhaps the nice Ellen > was a child of either Charles or Arthur. > > Best wishes > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Kirkman > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:01 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] A Few Passengers for Algoa Bay 1861 > > The following contribution may or may not fit: > > In 1838 a sister (Mellicent) of the two 1820 Settler HOBSON brothers > (David > and Carey) came to SA with her second husband, Edwin ALBUT, accompanied by > 4 > children from her first marriage (NASH), and a daughter by her second > husband (Sarah Maria ALBUT - later married to Seymour WARD). Mellicent > and > Edwin had another son (Jesse ALBUT) born at Mancazana Post in 1841. Jesse > ALBUT married Louisa Matilda WAYLAND. Cryptic old family notes tell us > that > Jesse "had no children of his own, but he adopted a daughter (a niece of > his > wife) who later married a GILFILLAN". > > No name was given for the adopted daughter. Could this be Ellen WAYLAND, > referred to below? > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fay Lea" <cancun@icon.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] A Few Passengers for Algoa Bay 1861 > > >>I wonder if this Miss Wayland was Ellen Wayland born 1854 died 28.07.1926 >> married Alfred Gilfillan b 1846. Ellen is the sister of Emma who married >> Edward Boyer Cook >> Their daughter Mathilda 'May' Hart Cook married Edward Thornhill >> Gilfillan. >> >> Is Miss Loremore perhaps Miss LOVEMORE? >> >> Thank you for posting this - most interesting. >> >> Cheer Fay >> >> > snipped.... > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message