To add yet another cousin/relative to the mix - my uncle Ivan (Hannah WATERS' grandson) married a Mary WATERS (I remember her fondly) - all I know is that she had a brother named Mervyn WATERS. It would be interesting to see where she fits in. And, my aunt Stella married a Lisher... lol Marius On 8 January 2013 14:15, Cheri Marshall <cherim@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Thanks Marius for filling in some gaps re WATERS. > This whole lot is confusing as you are right three families kept on > marrying > cousins!! > > I had a note: > William Edwin WATERS*8 April 1892 died 2 Dec 1970(source East and Southern > Cape Burial/cremation records 2012 EC Eggsa) X Martha Ann GODFREY > *11.04.1891 died 07.01.1973. > Dont know if this is the William WATERS who is the older brother of > Millicent Derenda and son of Hannah? Will check it out as the dates > fit(parents married 6 Aug 1890) and the only other William's I can find > were > born too early. > > NB The other thing is that I found our John Henry WATERS linked to the > other WATERS: > Thomas WATERS * 1833 X Lucy GODFREY. Their daughter Mary Jane WATERS > married > into the LISHER family! She married Phillip LISHER 7 years before his > sister > Emily LISHER married George GRAVETT in 1890.Aaargh! > See: > "Philip was born May 8, 1855. > Philip was baptised June 24, 1855 at King William's Town, Eastern Cape, > South Africa. > Philip and Mary WATERS [43480] were married April 24, 1883 at "Barville > Park" Church (Wesleyan), "Barville Park", Port Alfred (nr), Eastern Cape, > South Africa by Rev William Holford. > *****Witnesses: John Henry Waters, Sarah Ann Waters, Emily Matilda > Lisher(source Hugo Slater)" > > Cheri > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Marius > Kock > Sent: Monday, 7 January 2013 6:48 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HISTORY OF KENTON-ON-SEA & SETTLER FAMILIES - > WATERS/Gravett > > Hi, Cheri > > Truly a confusing lot, the Waters' - to make it more complicated, there was > some intermarriage. > > Regarding George GRAVETT & Hannah WATERS, I have 6 children (including the > stillborn): > > Louisa Millicent b1860 > Jane b about 1865 > Hannah Derenda b1870 > Edwin George b1871 > Mildred Harriet Best b1877 > Unknown 1880 > > I did some further research into our Hannah WATERS and believe that she was > actually from Shalbourne in (then) Berkshire and came to ZA with her > parents Job and Mary on the ship Zenobia in 1850. Sources: "Aided > Immigration from Britain to South Africa 1857 to 1867" - Esme Bull & 1841 > census. So I have the children: > Thomas b. 1833 d. 1916 > Charles b. 1835 d. 1922 > Ann b. 1838 d. 1883 > Hannah b. 1841 d. 1880 > Eli b. 1850 (died on the ship) > Sarah b. 1854 d. 1929 > > I'm certain of three (of your 10) children of John Henry WATERS and Hannah > Derenda GRAVETT: > Millicent Derenda (my grandmother) - she married a MARAIS > Hubert Owen "Manzi" b. 1912 d. 2005 (he was the only WATERS of this line > that I met myself & I have a photograph of his grave) > Beatrice - married a SCHEEPERS > Then my mom says she's sure her mom also had a sister Jane who lived in > Pietermaritzburg, but "they (John and Hannah) had lots of children" > > Thomas WATERS b. 1833 (who married Lucy GODFREY) was one of Hannah's > brothers (see above). The Charles could have been his brother. > > My biggest mystery is John Henry WATERS - lots of information on him, > except family! > > > Thanks, > > > Marius > > > On 7 January 2013 18:34, Cheri Marshall <cherim@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > Hi Graham and Marius > > I have been away so am a bit behind the discussion on GRAVETT /WATERS > > > > Going back through all the old notes from Val and Becky and Tessa. I have > 7 > > children from the marriage to Hannah(X 7 Dec 1859...Hannah was just 18 > )and > > six children to the second wife Emily LISHER whom he married 31 Jul 1890. > > I have a total of 13 children. I have a seventh child as a stillborn just > > before the 1880 child where both mother and child die. I have no idea who > > gave me this info as I have it listed as "family sources" and then forgot > > to > > list who actually gave me that info. (so of course it could be wrong) > > His burial details state that he was 99 years and 6 days old in 1922( > died > > 22 oct 1922 source: East and southern cape Burial and cremation records > > 2012) > > So he married Hannah at age 36 and married Emily LISHER at age 67 and 79 > > years old when his last child Ronald Gravett was born 7 mar 1902(source > > Estelle Gravett see emails mar 2001). Wow energetic man ! > > > > I have no idea how the WATERs family is connected. I seem to have three > > different lots ...see your email dated 11 nov...I have made no progress > at > > all with this family. > > 1) as Hannah WATERS * 1841 and first wife of George came from Cornwall: > > ame: Hannah Waters > > gender: Female > > baptism/christening date: 10 Jan 1843 > > baptism/christening place: LADOCK,CORNWALL,ENGLAND > > birth date: 14 Feb 1841 > > birthplace: > > death date: > > name note: > > race: > > father's name: Thomas Waters > > father's birthplace: > > father's age: > > mother's name: Ann(she was MUGFORD) > > mother's birthplace: > > mother's age: > > indexing project (batch) number: P00170-2 > > system origin: England-ODM > > source film number: 231924 > > reference number: > > > > 2) Then John Henry WATERS born 1869 who X your Hannah Derenda GRAVETT... > > parents .unable to find parents details but I have 10 children..basically > a > > composition of Tessa's email and then a few other emails and lots of > > questions. I think Hubert Kenneth is the younger brother to Millicent > > Derenda.I am not convinced that some children don't belong to the other > > lot > > of GRAVETTS.(William/James /Ivy/Grant /Amy/Beatrice/ Millicent/Hubert > > Kenneth/Vera/George). I have no idea if this is correct. They all need to > > be > > checked. > > > > 3)Thomas WATERS born 1833 who X Lucy GODFREY...no parents but a Jane > WATERS > > and a Charles WATERS present at the marriage.No other details. > > > > Sorry but my WATERS lines need work as I have no idea if these three > people > > are connected. > > > > Regards > > Cheri > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >