Hi Sue & Paul Wow!!! talk about a dog with a bone!!! You guys are really working hard at trying to unravel this mystery which is related to my Lloyd Family. I have a DN of Ann Ulyate, daughter of Henry & Lucy Ulyate who was born near Grahamstown in 1822. I can send it to you if you like. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: [email protected] www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Mackay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "SA List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] [SOUTH-AFRICA] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY I have seen lots of trees, but all of them say that Lucy and William married 'about 1803' and that William died 'about 1813', extrapolating from the birth dates of the children, I presume. No-one seems to have found documentary evidence. Sue > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 16:20:00 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > Hi Sue, > > Next piece of the puzzle - see > http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/1116618/family/familygroup?fpid=-1045830744 > They have William marrying Lucy in 1803, and dying 1813, which appears to > fit our hypothesis. > > rgds > > -- > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > Hampshire, England > email : [email protected] > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 4/8/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>, "SA List" > <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:54 PM > > Interesting. I have looked on the Old > Bailey site and it seems that William was sentenced to six > months and a public flogging! > > http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18100221-73&div=t18100221-73 > > If this is indeed him then it must have been pretty hard on > Lucy. He was convicted on 19 February 1810 and she gave > birth to Joseph on 2 April. Maybe that's why Joseph didn't > survive as she was left to cope on her own. However, they > seem to have had further children after his release, and > indeed I have found a further baptism. > > Mary Anne Hewlet, daughter of William and Lucy FINNARTY, > Skinner St, Greengrocer was baptised on 3 October 1813 in > St.Pancras Old Church > > Skinner Street was where Lucy was living for the first > "Ulyate" birth. > > Cheers > > Sue > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 11:41:38 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > I think you are on the right track, as all those > baptisms make sense. I have also not found any > marriages for Lucy to either William Finaughty or Henry > Ulyate, but have found a possible clue as to why William and > Lucy parted. > > > > On 26 February1810 a William Finnaughty was sentenced > to imprisonment for larceny(theft). Engand and Wales > Criminal registers 1791 - 1892 held at the National Archives > under Class HO 26; piece 16, page 32. It is a very feint > copy on Ancestry and I cannot work out the terms of the > sentence. If he was interned for a few years, this > could be why Lucy had the three Ulyate Finaughty children, > who dropped the Finaughty name when they emigrated as 1820 > Settlers? Henry and Lucy couldn't marry, because > William was still potentially alive, but passed themselves > off as marrried in the new country? Speculation? ;-) > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Paul > > -- > > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > > Hampshire, England > > email : [email protected] > > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 4/7/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Subject: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > To: "SA List" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > > Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 12:10 PM > > > > I have been updating the extra > > information on selected 1820 settlers available > at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ > (click on > > Additional Information on the right hand side). > > > > I have only included pre 1820 information from UK > records > > taken from primary sources, as there seems to be > so much > > conflicting information on SA settler sites. As I > now have > > access to original images from parish registers > held at the > > Westminster Archives I have been able to > add a few > > more specific dates and places to files already > uploaded. > > > > I have also added a few new files (easily > spotted, as the > > hit count is not yet in three figures!!) and will > gradually > > be adding more as I find new records. > > > > New files include various members of > WAINWRIGHT’s Party > > with information from original parish registers > in the West > > Yorkshire Archives. > > > > Please let me know if you find any mistakes. > > > > One family has led me a merry dance, and > information is > > exceedingly varied on the various settler sites, > so I would > > be interested to know whether you think I have > drawn the > > correct conclusion. This concerns the ULYATE and > FINAUGHTY > > family who sailed with WAIT on the Zoroaster. > > > > The Settler Handbook says that Henry ULYATE and > his wife > > Lucy had three children of their own (Mary, Henry > and Sarah) > > in addition to George, who was born on the > voyage. > > Travelling with them were three FINAUGHTY > children, Lucy, > > William and John, said to be Henry’s > stepchildren and thus > > Lucy’s children from her first marriage. > > > > I have found Lucy’s baptism. She was baptised > as Lucy > > MOLES, daughter of John and Lucy, Millwright, on > 2 January > > 1785 in St.John Horselydown, Bermondsey (born 18 > December > > 1784) > > > > I have not found any marriage for Lucy. It does > not help > > that some sites say her husband was John > FINAUGHTY and > > others that he was William FINAUGHTY! It seems > that she was > > married to a London greengrocer named William > FINAUGHTY, > > however, as I have found the following baptisms: > > Lucy Moles, daughter of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, was > > baptised on 20 October 1805 in St.Mary's, > Islington (born 11 > > July) > > George William, son of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, was > > baptised on 3 January 1808 in St.Mary's, > Islington (born 22 > > August 1807) > > Joseph, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was > baptised on > > 10 June 1810 in St.Pancras Old Church (born 2 > April) > > John, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Somers > Town, > > Grocer, was baptised on 23 January 1814 in > St.Pancras Old > > Church > > > > Assuming that Joseph died in infancy, the other > three are > > plausible for the children who sailed as > Henry’s > > stepchildren > > I don’t think that Lucy can actually have > married Henry > > ULYATE, as the baptisms of “their” children > all seem to > > have been listed as children of William > FINAUGHTY, but with > > ULYATE as a middle name, which suggests to me > that she left > > William and had a family with Henry, but was > unable to marry > > Henry legitimately as William was still alive? Or > have I > > missed something? > > > > Here are the baptisms – I can’t find one for > a Sarah, > > and certainly not on the same page as Henry (the > Settler > > Handbook suggests Henry and Sarah were twins) > > > > Henry Ulyat FINAUGHTY, son of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, > > Skinner Street, Greengrocer, baptised 2 April > 1815 in > > St.Pancras Old Church > > Jane Ullyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and > Lucy > > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 1 > June 1817 in > > St.John's, Hampstead (born 22 November 1816) > > Maria Ulyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and > Lucy > > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 14 > June 1818 in > > St.John's, Hampstead (born 3 May) > > > > I’d be interested to here from descendants of > this family > > to know if they have any proof of a marriage > between Henry > > and Lucy. > > See > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/f-surnames/1769-finaughty-lucy-extra-data > > and > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1768-ulyate-henry-extra-data > > Cheers > > SueSouth Wales, UK > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message