Do you know when Johannes Lottering died? Have you been able to get a Death Notice for him? With luck it should mention his Parents Names. Try looking on MASETI DATA - Part 1 /Part 2 for a file source and reference. Search the Christian Names. I have had three hits this way, and ordered and received 2 file copies, (the third went missing in the postal strike) John Wynne's tip: Go to Google and type "site: <http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/> http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/ " (excluding the quotation marks) into the search box, followed by the name (and/or other search-terms). This should bring up all pages in the MHC Maseti data where your search-terms are found. Barbara