Hi Rod. I do not know who the "Lister" was who asked for the advice. It was rather a very old e-mail, so as you can see in my opening sentence I said "if my info is still of help to you." Most of the people who had to do the writing were English. They could not understand the German accent very well, thus they spelled the names the way they heard or understood it, thus the anglicising. The German tongue fell very heavy on the English ear! Kaffraria belonged to England. By changing their names to the "English Way" they felt more part of the new country! You will often find in Germany a child is known on his second name if his father or brother have the same names. I often see that there is eg. A Heinrich Johann (may have died, the parents repeat the name) or another sibling:- Heinrich Carl, or the father/grandfather could also be Heinrich Johann. Another brother may be Heinrich Friedrich, then they would be known on their 2nd/third name. Hope this might be of help to you too. Regards. Trudie Just checked the passenger lists. On the. Wandrahm there was an August SCHMIDT and a Michael SCHMIDT both from Prussia On the Wilhelmsburg there was an Àdolph SCHMIDT from Zerrenthien. On the Peter Godeffroy there was Friedrich SCHMIDT from Tenkau >From my own research into my family who arrived the first ship in July 1858 I found many instances where names were changed for reasons I cannot find out. My own gggrandfather was born August Hermann GEBHARDT but in all documents I have seen he is referred to as only Herman. His son, when finalising his estate had to swear an avidavid that his father's names were in fact August Hermann. All his sons anglacised their christian names making it difficult to plot the family. Therefore I suggest you record you ancester as Wilhelm Friederich SCHMIDT. The spelling of Friederich may vary from family to family. I have a Frederick Wilhelm in my database b 22 June 1873 son of Matheus SCHMIDT and Carolina Louisa no name. I would be glad to let you have more on the family, although this is not my main area of research. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Trudie Marais via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:37:07 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Trudie Marais <trudiemarais05@gmail.com>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] German immigration to SA Hallo Lister, I have not worked through this list for a long time. I would like to respond to your e-mail, if my info is still of help to you. I did a quick look up through my lists, and could only find a Friederich/Friedrich Scmidt, who immigrated during 1858 to South Africa. He was born in Kutzerow, 41 years of age, wife Caroline (37) Friedrich(14), Wilhelmine(8) Johanna (3). Who came to South Africa on the Peter Godeffroy. If any of these names appear in your family, it might be worthwhile looking at a different spelling of the surname:- Scmidt instead of Smith. Regards. Trudie Marais Hello Lister I need to find lists of any german immigration to SA between 1858 to 1881. I am trying to locate the ship my gggranfather was on when he landed in SA. His death notice says he was born in Germany but his nationality was British so I am assuming he became British when he landed in SA. My gggranfather name was William Frederick Smith. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message